Jordan Maxwell debunked

[andrewgreen]

His overall message is negative, enough said.

[Lazlo]

Debunked? Shill? NWO tool? Revealer of truth and hidden secrets? All of the answers are too simple.

Jordan is interesting to listen to and makes some good points...he also draws some inappropriate conclusions. I have an annoying ability to remember facts and recall them instantly (my wife calls me the keeper of useless information, but she uses me like a google search ) It's a very useful tool, both professionally and when doing my own "fun" research.

After stumbling upon Jordan's work, I made mental notes of quite a few things that jumped out at me, then took the time to double check my suppositions. I found that he does indeed make some leaps in logic that are simply not supportable.

So what do I do? I file his information away and use it as a resource. As I "learn" new information that either supports or contradicts his claims, I adjust my perceptions accordingly. The same thing goes for virtually every personality in the alternative community. As mentioned earlier, Greer falls into the same general category. As does Wilcock, Icke, and even our own dear Mr. Ryan. We are all just human, and any person would be mistaken to accept anything that they hear as "TRUTH." (big) TRUTH is unknowable, as we force realities to fit into our limited repetoire of categories. (little) truth is personal, and we all hold our own dearly.

[Bill Ryan]

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The problem is with the video-maker's (or the debunker's) intention. Here's what I mean:

Unified Serenity, I genuinely very much appreciate your passion, and integrity, and your let's-face-the-truth-whatever-it-might-be attitude.

But -- supposing I had an agenda to discredit you, or smear you, or somehow cause the readers here to be much more likely to ignore the value you add.

What I could easily do -- if I wanted to! -- is sift through your 2,700 posts, find some juicy out-of-context extracts, highlight the chosen ones, and find apparent contradictions, times when you had expressed yourself a little impulsively, or simply when you had something quite wrong (maybe quite some time ago).

Listing those, and with some clever presentation, I bet I could make you look like anything I wanted to. I could make you look like a troll, or a poor researcher, or simply stupid.

Or if I was a fan of your work, I could go the other way and make you look brilliant and incisive. This is the problem.

I know Jordan Maxwell personally, and in 2010 spent six straight weeks with him 24/7 (on his visit to Europe). I know he has some things wrong. I know he has misinterpretations of some of the linguistics behind certain terms, etc etc, and that he over-stresses those. I've talked with him about that.

But he's genuine, beaten-up, brave, wounded, exhausted, persistent, and has been an imperfect, heroic champion of almost all of the the causes we all stand for. See the tremendous video interview which Kerry did of him in Sept 2009 -- one of her very, very best -- at the end of which Jordan was in tears, and after which (off-camera) Kerry simply could not speak.

Here is a man who devoted his life to a mission, and believed he had failed. These are the real issues. Not the details.

[GCS1103]

Posted by Lazlo (here)
Debunked? Shill? NWO tool? Revealer of truth and hidden secrets? All of the answers are too simple.

Jordan is interesting to listen to and makes some good points...he also draws some inappropriate conclusions. I have an annoying ability to remember facts and recall them instantly (my wife calls me the keeper of useless information, but she uses me like a google search ) It's a very useful tool, both professionally and when doing my own "fun" research.

After stumbling upon Jordan's work, I made mental notes of quite a few things that jumped out at me, then took the time to double check my suppositions. I found that he does indeed make some leaps in logic that are simply not supportable.

So what do I do? I file his information away and use it as a resource. As I "learn" new information that either supports or contradicts his claims, I adjust my perceptions accordingly. The same thing goes for virtually every personality in the alternative community. As mentioned earlier, Greer falls into the same general category. As does Wilcock, Icke, and even our own dear Mr. Ryan. We are all just human, and any person would be mistaken to accept anything that they hear as "TRUTH." (big) TRUTH is unknowable, as we force realities to fit into our limited repetoire of categories. (little) truth is personal, and we all hold our own dearly.

Well said, Lazlo.

[Vivek]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
I look forward to the day when I have done work that is significant enough to be debunked by Mr. White. How else will I know that I am on the right track?

Now then, back to reading Blavatsky.

Let me ask y'all something.

Are you actually following up on any of this?

Or are y'all just choosing who to believe?

Blavatsky did her "research" while being heavily influenced by these "ascended masters" that she was in contact with . . . Sri Aurobindo has a sobering perspective on Blavatsky. Go look it up.

Mr. White has chosen his Bible, and people are shrugging off his research because his impetus touches some sore spot people have with his faith. That is ridiculous.

So, after turning your nose up at his research, you let Blavatsky and Maxwell write you a bible to cling to?

Also, about people taking only what works for them. Really? No research? Are you not just believing other peoples research, taking it on good faith?

Is this really about Truth, or chosing who to believe? Because if it WERE about TRUTH you'd watch the video, set everybodys BELIEFS aside, and DIG into the INFORMATION.

[sigma6]

my, my, my everything is so clear, so crystalline, black and white, if it were only true, and I used to believe that the truth in information would always win out, maybe in other cultures and languages, but I am not so sure about the English language any more... at least not without some extraneous balancing factor, like heightened awareness or intuition... or if we could all live for several hundred years (to do our own research) I believe I have that vid in my collection, but will double check and the Icke video as well.. They are disturbing. But overall is J-Max a secret plant of the NWO? use the same rational logic and look at ALL his videos and this is clearly not the case.

Freud was, and still is attacked the same way today in University psychology lectures by none other then the other professors themselves Why? because its the vogue thing to do, and 'technically a sure point'. As he doesn't stand up to the body of knowledge and standards of methodology that exist today (which is a joke given all the corruption and contamination, but that's another story...) So by taking the man out of the context of his time, when there wasn't even a vocabulary to describe the science, because there wasn't even a science to build a methodology of study around is ridiculous, but professors are cheap shot artists with major ego issues, much like chefs on Ramsey's show that always need to be 'deflated' back to reality.

I don't doubt that J-Max may have made a few factual errors, it is entirely possible, and I am not so sure about the complete 'evilness' of Blavatsky either, since Tsarion makes a good argument that her movement like many others was taken over by Satanic forces within England (Satanic Freemason types, we all know the kind) But the man brought this Promethean knowledge to the world, woke us up. His labour cost him dearly I don't doubt, he did it under great opposition and constant threat. The body of knowledge of which he speaks is so vast, so complex, so diverse, it is amazing the job he has actually done. I think that Jordan, looking at some of his older work, might consider revising it. Icke has backed off from earlier positions he took. Have you ever considered contacting him and asking?

What Freud, J-Max and Icke actually all have in common is they are what is termed 'intuitive geniuses'... They are pioneers delving into relatively uncharted waters, blazing their own trails, building their own structures where there were none for the benefit of future generations. They are humans just like you and me. Fragile, imperfect, emotional human beings that make mistakes, have regrets, fears and anxieties just like the rest of us. But they stood up and took action and never looked back. So that we would have the luxury of running down their rough hewn trails and putting up our own opinions, conjectures, and further research (hopefully) Jordan was also one of the first to talk about the Fed and how BC is a form of trust way, way ahead of its time, and no NWO agent would dare do that, NO WAY.

Thing is when you have an intuitive understanding of something, and yet others can't see it, sometimes it is hard to justify. How do I justify a gestalt of innumerable leads and information? that form as a result of years of study and research... I think all of these men fell into that pressure that may have biased their self expression in that regard and I can't blame or judge them for that... Today we now know that intuitive knowledge, (Akashic records, etc) is very possible and can be validated. We can correct mistakes, as I am sure and would be interested to see what Jordan would do if given the opportunity. And perhaps he may have even more information and context that might justify some of them...

Point is there is some aspect of truth to many of these things that he points to, and instead of just tossing the whole thing out, we should be discussing the exact relationship, adding more research, there is some connection between those mushrooms and the cultural icons of the Roman Vatican and the Santa Claus portrayal, there is a relationship between Sun worship and the Christian extrapolation of the Bible, maybe NEWS isn't directly derived from the cross, but it is metaphorical and good memory device one might use/confuse during research and study...

I'm just saying take a deeper look, there is too much foundation and precious research, 40 years of somone's life can't be summed up in a 1 or 2 hr critique and if that is the case I would like to see his critique of the Bart Ehrman's interpretation of the Gospels, haven't heard anything there... maybe he should pick on someone his own size and leave the Giants of the alternative movement to a less literalistic interpretation... it's just not that simple I have delved into the Commercial Redemption, which I believe is just one avenue of his research, as I just recently discovered Jordan was one of the earlier researchers on this as well, and I can say there ain't no deeper rabbit hole, or expose on how convoluted and twisted all around us the Roman system really is... that would literally take years and years to truly study and learn, no exaggeration, it is what today's entire legal system is based on! and still not even come close to seeing the bottom...

David Wilcock has recently stepped into this briar patch, with the help of Fulford and Winston Shrout, who himself has been studying and lecturing on it for the last 12 years, and he is as brilliant a thinker as they come, but you can tell his head is absolutely spinning... We wouldn't have this context of what is happening in the world today with the US INC. 'government' and the global banking cartel, Vatican Crime Syndicate without this context of understanding and this is just one little niche!

There's a reason it's called a rabbit hole, and it is not because rabbit foot prints and tuff's of dirt have been found in a thicket out in a forest somewhere, and no it isn't about bunny rabbits at all, in case anyone was taking me literally there...

[Christine]

We are ALL part of huge tapestry, NO ONE person has all the pieces or is privy to the TRUTH. Jordan Maxwell has done more than most beings on this planet to try and unveil (decode) those that would deceive. YES, it is up to every individual to use their own discernment in discovering the TRUTH.

I am sure this truth is much more bizarre and paradoxically simple than any of us can imagine.

I salute Jordan Maxwell for his courage and his fortitude. I had the pleasure of meeting him and it is clear that he has suffered greatly on a personal level (sacrificed personal interests) and has dedicated the whole of his life to publishing what he has discovered. Does he know everything...does he claim to know everything? NO. In my view he is a hero, not perfect but a hero none the less.

So instead of debunking Jordan Maxwell how about debunking some of our own biases and self deceptions.

[Vivek]

Bill Cooper interviews Jordan Maxwell.

You want a good interview, here it is.

http://remnantradio.org/Archives/art...bylon%2023.mp3

[seantimberwolf]

Posted by D-DAY (here)

Posted by seantimberwolf (here)
I did not even bother watching the video i believe what i know to be true to me.

As for his david icke video it borders on embarresing, most of these FUNDOS (great word btw)
are embarresing to there faith i happen to be pagan so i guess my view is one thats quite negative of the church, but im almost certain that christ is looking down on his "children" saying

"guys you got it all wrong, come on!"

Ah, a modern day Pagan, good for you Sean.

I'm curious though, what led you to the conclusion that undertaking a faith in Paganism would be a good path to follow?

When and why did you decide to label yourself as 'a Pagan'?

Do you feel being a Pagan defines who you are and what you're about?

I often wonder why people feel the need to choose a religion and to have faith in something outside of themselves.

I guess the whole idea of religion just never made much sense to me for some reason.

Ever since I was born I've always been a strong believer in Daniel Day, I have A LOT of faith in him.

Throughout my life he's always had my back, always had my best interests at heart, always been there for me... I kinda like the guy

I feel like I made the right choice for me, I guess you probably feel the same way too.

All the best

Well its down to who i am mate,
I have faith in nature in the old gods of valor (i believe in the asatru pagan rites)
i cant put faith in a god who asks i go to one knee to him, a real god is knowing of his/her power and respects the ideals of man,

Jesus died for my sins yet i have to atone for them, weather i have comited them or not? no thanks Odin asks no such act of me, he meets me as a warrior as a man with faith in him, he does not ask i attend a mass to worship him, or that i FEAR his judgement, he does not damn me to eternal hellfire for not believing in him, he is there and i CHOOSE to embrace him as my god.

That to me is true power, is true deification, the choice is mans, why should god hold his followers to ransom?

It never added up in my mind, i beleive in HONOR, VALOR, STRENGHT, and standing up to adversity with my mind and body, not weeping martyrs on crosses, (no offence to christians)

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)


Here is a man who devoted his life to a mission, and believed he had failed.

I know he believes this is so Bill, and that's very sad, because that is an area where he is profoundly mistaken. I truly hope he sticks around here with us long enough to see otherwise.

[sigma6]

We have Serenity on Maxwell, about White on Maxwell, and now Cooper on Maxwell... and then there is John Lear on Cooper... lol.... and don't get me wrong I really think Cooper was doing a fantastic job, had great integrity, again, he was ahead of his time, his work was prophetic, and his expose on UFOs, the NWO and the Freemason movement was incredible in it's depth of detail and research... But he too was a lone voice, and all too late in the game realized the enormous monstrosity that he was up against too late, too late... (RIP) ....the terror... the terror...

add in: (for those who didn't 'catch' the 'movie' quote): if only people were exposed to the full naked depth of the truth of what was going on behind closed doors, they very well could lose their sense, their courage, and retreat into some kind of insanity, as manifested in various degrees by many today, but then 'they' would want that, wouldn't they...)

[peterpam]

I appreciate your point of view. You can believe whatever you like. While reading your response to others it occurred to me that you are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. I have no doubt your intentions are sincere. Put your info out there and don't try to control the outcome...You will be much more balanced that way...

[Unified Serenity]

The point is made regarding during the video that alias names are fine with them. Lots of people change their names, but they call into question Maxwell's explanation and point out his website. Here is a screen shot of his website which I have visited in the past many times. Of course I was too stupid until now, to really check out his name. So, let's start with this picture:



sorry, not a great screenshot, but unless he changes it and he hasn't for years, just go and look for yourself at:

http://jordanmaxwell.com/words.html

You see, he claims he had no notion of those words until he got that email from a Rabbi. That's pretty amazing really since he claims to be a wordsmith, one of his favorite writers and deep teachers is Blavatsky, and this is part of her holy trinity! She also reveals this fact in a work she wrote which he openly stated in his presentation that was his favorite work of hers! So, we are to believe this is all a coincidence? He is a devotee to her, he uses facts she presents in her works that do not stand up under true historical and linguistic scholarship, and just happens to be named pretty damn close to the Second in command in the Holy Trinity she pushes?

NAZARENE.

First Trinity.

Lord FERHO — the Life which is no Life — the Supreme God. The Cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of Jordanus Maximus — the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle. Unity in a Trinity, enclosed within the ISH AMON.

from: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu2-07a.htm

I just found this comment on ATS

Click here if the above link doesn't play( i always have trouble with that thing)
Watch video
This is a film detailing the many mistakes and outright lies of Jordan Maxwell.
After months of research and checking Jordan Maxwell's "facts" I found him to be a very deceptive and manipulative teacher. In addition to debunking many of his claims this films looks at his motivations and associations and shows that his philosophy is exactly that of the So called New World Order, although its very cleverly hidden.
You will find his devotion to Theosophy includes his name "Jordanus Maximus"

I used to believe everything this man said.

Do I Think he is one of THEM?
I don't know, but I do know that whether he is or not he is helping sell so called Truth Seekers the New World Order religion on a silver platter.

Some Questions I answered:

Does the sun die on the cross of the zodiac?
Is the compass rose an acronym for "NEWS"
Does Christ mean "oil"?
Does anoint mean "sex"?
Is God merely a volcano?
Does the ark of the covenant represent the feminine ability to give life?
Did King Solomon exist?
Is the name Solomon derived from Sol OM On
Does OM mean The Sun?
Do we call turning on lights "on" because of Heliopolis?
Does Solomons temple represent sex?
Was Manna in the bible psychedelic mushrooms?
Where is the mushroom painting?
Does mushroom art in the 1200 speak for Christianity?
Does Judaism come from Saturn Worship?
Did the Egyptians say the sun was setting because of their god Set?
Does Yahweh or YHWH mean the building up and releasing of dynamic energy? And is it associated with sex?
Did Jordan Maxwell get His name from blavatskys "Jordanus Maximus" and if so why is he lying about it?
Why does he….
Jordan Maxwell calls for a new world order
He says God communicates with us only through symbols
He says the non-human/human hybrids are here and that they have a "divine right" to rule over us and that he is smart enough to accept it.
He also says that these hybrids are going to reward him for understanding their symbols
Some history about the Nephilim and the sons of god
Jordan Maxwell describes his encounter with aliens he explains how he told these entities that he would do their will as long as the didn't come to him in his room or "abduct him"
And he explains how this deal was later confirmed and they would "channel" through him. He describes his uncle and family in the Vatican and the mob and says they are one in the same. More weird associations and conclusions.


Here is the audio if you cant watch movies for some reason
nowheretorun.... podomatic. com/enclosure/2008-05-15T18_30_10-07_00. mp3

Also I did an interview with a guy a while back he does a radio show too and he did a movie on Maxwell too exept his was a very pro one, he stayed with Jordan for around a week in LA getting footage, so anyway this guy had me on to talk about this, he like maxwell a lot, so it was interesting.
this was before I put this movie together, anyway it's a very interesting show it can be downloaded here
nowheretorun.podomatic.com... mp3

Besides the screenshot I took, here is the rest of the info on his name:

First of all, Jordan Maxwell derived his name from Jordanus Maximus, a character created by Helena Blavatsky in her book, Isis Unveiled – which Jordan Maxwell has publicly admitted is his favorite book by Blavatsky, whom he has also publicly acknowledged great admiration for. From here

The point is made regarding during the video that alias names are fine with them. Lots of people change their names, but they call into question Maxwell's explanation and point out his website. Here is a screen shot of his website which I have visited in the past many times. Of course I was too stupid until now, to really check out his name. So, let's start with this picture:

Click image for larger version Name: maxwell screenshot.jpg Views: 0 Size: 203.4 KB ID: 17331

sorry, not a great screenshot, but unless he changes it and he hasn't for years, just go and look for yourself at:

http://jordanmaxwell.com/words.html

You see, he claims he had no notion of those words until he got that email from a Rabbi. That's pretty amazing really since he claims to be a wordsmith, one of his favorite writers and deep teachers is Blavatsky, and this is part of her holy trinity! She also reveals this fact in a work she wrote which he openly stated in his presentation that was his favorite work of hers! So, we are to believe this is all a coincidence? He is a devotee to her, he uses facts she presents in her works that do not stand up under true historical and linguistic scholarship, and just happens to be named pretty damn close to the Second in command in the Holy Trinity she pushes?

NAZARENE.

First Trinity.

Lord FERHO — the Life which is no Life — the Supreme God. The Cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of Jordanus Maximus — the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle. Unity in a Trinity, enclosed within the ISH AMON.

from: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu2-07a.htm

I just found this comment on ATS

Click here if the above link doesn't play( i always have trouble with that thing)
Watch video
This is a film detailing the many mistakes and outright lies of Jordan Maxwell.
After months of research and checking Jordan Maxwell's "facts" I found him to be a very deceptive and manipulative teacher. In addition to debunking many of his claims this films looks at his motivations and associations and shows that his philosophy is exactly that of the So called New World Order, although its very cleverly hidden.

You will find his devotion to Theosophy includes his name "Jordanus Maximus"

I used to believe everything this man said.

Do I Think he is one of THEM?
I don't know, but I do know that whether he is or not he is helping sell so called Truth Seekers the New World Order religion on a silver platter.

Some Questions I answered:

Does the sun die on the cross of the zodiac?
Is the compass rose an acronym for "NEWS"
Does Christ mean "oil"?
Does anoint mean "sex"?
Is God merely a volcano?
Does the ark of the covenant represent the feminine ability to give life?
Did King Solomon exist?
Is the name Solomon derived from Sol OM On
Does OM mean The Sun?
Do we call turning on lights "on" because of Heliopolis?
Does Solomons temple represent sex?
Was Manna in the bible psychedelic mushrooms?
Where is the mushroom painting?
Does mushroom art in the 1200 speak for Christianity?
Does Judaism come from Saturn Worship?
Did the Egyptians say the sun was setting because of their god Set?
Does Yahweh or YHWH mean the building up and releasing of dynamic energy? And is it associated with sex?
Did Jordan Maxwell get His name from blavatskys "Jordanus Maximus" and if so why is he lying about it?
Why does he….
Jordan Maxwell calls for a new world order
He says God communicates with us only through symbols
He says the non-human/human hybrids are here and that they have a "divine right" to rule over us and that he is smart enough to accept it.
He also says that these hybrids are going to reward him for understanding their symbols
Some history about the Nephilim and the sons of god
Jordan Maxwell describes his encounter with aliens he explains how he told these entities that he would do their will as long as the didn't come to him in his room or "abduct him"
And he explains how this deal was later confirmed and they would "channel" through him. He describes his uncle and family in the Vatican and the mob and says they are one in the same. More weird associations and conclusions.


Here is the audio if you cant watch movies for some reason
nowheretorun.... podomatic. com/enclosure/2008-05-15T18_30_10-07_00. mp3

Also I did an interview with a guy a while back he does a radio show too and he did a movie on Maxwell too exept his was a very pro one, he stayed with Jordan for around a week in LA getting footage, so anyway this guy had me on to talk about this, he like maxwell a lot, so it was interesting.
this was before I put this movie together, anyway it's a very interesting show it can be downloaded here
nowheretorun.podomatic.com... mp3

Besides the screenshot I took, here is the rest of the info on his name:

To many in the truth movement, Jordan Maxwell has become a revered source of information. Appearing many times on the Alex Jones Show, and the author of many books and videos of his own, Jordan Maxwell has been supposedly exposing the Machiavellian machinations of the global elite for many years.

However, what most in the truth movement have failed to realize is that they are unwittingly being led into the New World Order by Maxwell, Jones, David Icke, Alan Watt and others. I will cover those others at a later date, but for now, I will focus upon Jordan Maxwell.

First of all, Jordan Maxwell derived his name from Jordanus Maximus, a character created by Helena Blavatsky in her book, Isis Unveiled – which Jordan Maxwell has publicly admitted is his favorite book by Blavatsky, whom he has also publicly acknowledged great admiration for.

Helena Blavatsky was the founder of the Theosophical Society and the movement known as Theosophy, which is, to quote Wikipedia, “a doctrine of religious philosophy and metaphysics. Theosophy holds that all religions are attempts by the ‘ Spiritual Hierarchy ’ to help humanity in evolving to greater perfection, and that each religion therefore has a portion of the truth.” To quote Blavatsky, herself: “We assert that the divine spark in man being one and identical in its essence with the Universal Spirit, our “ spiritual Self ” is practically omniscient, but that it cannot manifest its knowledge owing to the impediments of matter. Now the more these impediments are removed, in other words, the more the physical body is paralyzed, as to its own independent activity and consciousness, as in deep sleep or deep trance, or, again, in illness, the more fully can the inner Self manifest on this plane. This is our explanation of those truly wonderful phenomena of a higher order, in which undeniable intelligence and knowledge are exhibited.”

While this mumbo-jumbo may seem harmless enough, pay close attention to some further quotes from Blavatsky:

“Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos.. the Serpent, the Savior.” The Secret Doctrine, pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)

“It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God.” The Secret Doctrine, pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533, (VI)

“The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity…but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial Light, ‘the Holy Ghost’ and ‘Satan’ at one and the same time.” The Secret Doctrine, page 539.

Blavatsky was a Co-Freemason. Co-Freemasonry is simply a form of Freemasonry that admits both men and women as members. Therefore, Blavatsky was a Freemason.

So, in admitting to being an admirer of Blavatsky, Jordan Maxwell is, by extension, subscribing to Freemasonry and to Theosophy, as well. In fact, Maxwell is also caught on video admitting to having been a close personal friend of the late Freemason Manly P. Hall.

Manly Palmer Hall’s most noted work was The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, published in 1928. Note that the word “ Qabbalistic ” refers to Kabbalism, or the Kabbala, “… a discipline and school of thought concerned with the mystical aspect of Judaism. It is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an eternal/mysterious Creator and the mortal/finite universe, ” to quote Wikipedia. What Wikipedia doesn’t tell you, though, is that this “mysterious creator” is Lucifer.

Now, whether one believes in gods and devils or not is irrelevant, here. I’m an agnostic, myself. The point is, the global elite certainly do believe in all this and it is from this twisted thinking that the justification for all they do is derived. If we accept that Luciferianism is, at it’s base, an excuse for the practice of evil in the world – and I think we can establish this, based upon the many ritual sacrifices of innocent human beings carried out by these people in the name of their “mysterious creator” Lucifer – then it follows that those who subscribe to such beliefs are very likely to be practicing evil in the world. I think the very fact that the elite, who do subscribe to this worldview, are carrying out an evil agenda to wipe out up to 90% of the human race and to subjugate the remaining survivors to slavery under a world government is all the proof we need of the danger posed by such beliefs, whether they have any basis in fact or not. From here

The simple fact for me, is until yesterday I did not question really what Jorden Maxwell was sharing except I thought he was a very gifted researcher. I did not do my due diligence in verifying all the stuff he was pushing as facts about ancient history and such. When someone gets a reputation and those I respect show such respect for that person, then I stupidly accepted it. The fact is, there is a lot I did not know until yesterday, and I have watched a lot of Jorden Maxwell stuff. I owe David Wilcock an apology for riding his ass for not vetting people better and just putting them on the air. They talk a good game, friends vouch for them, but did he look into their background himself? Probably not, and so I rode his ass for putting the likes of Brockbrader and Drake on the air. I apparently just as guilty of trusting this community to vett people and now, I know not everything Maxwell shares is based on real research nor is it even plausible he believes it. Maybe he does believe it, but anyone claiming to be a linguistic scholar doing research and sharing his deep insights to word origins should really know what they re talking about.

Jorden Maxwell example A:

Quote Did King Solomon exist? Is the name Solomon derived from Sol OM On Does OM mean The Sun? Do we call turning on lights “on” because of Heliopolis?
These are actual comments made by Maxwell. His premise is asking:

King Solomon didn't even exist anywhere outside of the bible, and his name is just the peoples worship of the sun. Maxwell says that Solomon is just a word combination of:

Sol = Sun

Om = Sun god

on = some aspect of turning electricity on

Well, first of all, the name Solomon doesn't even exist in the Hebrew bible. That is an anglicized name for Shlomo. I know Jewish men whose name is Shlomo and they get called Solomon. If my name was Shlomo I'd want to be called Solomon here as well.

Now, electricity was even being used back then and so the idea that the word "on" was looking forward some 1800 years is a real stretch. There is no proof to back up the "Om" is a Hindu sun god. Om is a mantra used in meditations, it's not a name of a god. Often they put "Om" in front of a name or just chant it over and over.

Here is another one of Maxwell's claims:

The Egyptian god Set is so named because he's a sun god, and the Sun sets. Well, that would be handy if the word for setting sun had anything in common with the sound of the name Set, but it doesn't. According to touregypt.net, "Set (Seth, Setekh, Sut, Sutekh, Suty) was one of ancient Egypt's earliest gods, a god of chaos, confusion, storms, wind, the desert and foreign lands." What Maxwell claims is ridiculous when looked at closely, but he just says stuff like it's matter of fact knowledge for any linguistic scholar, and it's not. It does though cause people to doubt the bible, and I think that's the purpose of why he does this.

Let me do one more of his poor word explaining. Maxwell tries to say that the Hebrew religion is a mushroom cult because they gathered manna in the wilderness which were psychedelic mushrooms and when you ate them you could talk to God, and that's why they call the High priest the Highhhhhhhh Priest. Now, as in the video, I agree, Maxwell was having a joke, but there are actual people who think that's part of what Maxwell teaches, that High refers to being blown out of your mind on funny shrooms. But let's get back to this whole manna was mind altering mushrooms that allowed you to talk to God.

Where in the bible are we told the people ate manna or the priests in order to talk to God? Please show me the bible reference. In fact, the bible says it was angels food provided to the people to feed them while they chased their tails for 40 years wandering in the desert. Ok, it doesn't say chased their tails, but they were wandering because they lost faith in God. So, they were given manna to eat for FOOD! How much could they eat and could they store it? The bible says this about the manna:

Exodus 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they knew not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
Exo 16:16 This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents.
Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
Exo 16:18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.
Exo 16:19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
Exo 16:20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
Exo 16:21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
Exo 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Exo 16:24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
Exo 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.
Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which the LORD commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

Do you know how much an omer of manna would be to eat? It's about about 3.64 litres! If you ate that much funny mushrooms you would die! No where in there is it called a mushroom. In fact, no where does it say it's for talking with God. I have never taken psychedelic mushrooms, but I have a brother who has and friends who have, and they have never said they tasted like wafers made with honey. My point here is Jorden Maxwell is taking a lot of liberty with historical texts and trying to imply things they just don't say or even hint at. The video I posted has a ton more stuff. Things that he is just saying that come straight from Blavatsky but upon true scholarly research shows zero credibility.

My other thread about Is Ra El, puts that whole twist to rest as well.

The Egyptians never called her Isis. In fact her name would best be written as "Eusat". Some go so far as to say they don't pronounce the "t" in ancient Egyptian (I guess the Egyptian goddesses Baset, Ma’at, Nekhbet, Nut, Sekhmet, Selkhet, Taweret, Bat, Mafdet, Chensit, Hatmehit, Hedetet, Hemsut, Heqet, Pakhet, Unut and Tefnut all just happen to be freak exceptions to this rule to name a few). From here

If you care to learn the another viewpoint on these matters and finish the explanation of why Israel is not some joined words then check out this thread I started.

The simple fact for me, is until yesterday I did not question really what Jorden Maxwell was sharing except I thought he was a very gifted researcher. I did not do my due diligence in verifying all the stuff he was pushing as facts about ancient history and such. When someone gets a reputation and those I respect show such respect for that person, then I stupidly accepted it. The fact is, there is a lot I did not know until yesterday, and I have watched a lot of Jorden Maxwell stuff. I owe David Wilcock an apology for riding his ass for not vetting people better and just putting them on the air. They talk a good game, friends vouch for them, but did he look into their background himself? Probably not, and so I rode his ass for putting the likes of Brockbrader and Drake on the air. I apparently just as guilty of trusting this community to vett people and now, I know not everything Maxwell shares is based on real research nor is it even plausible he believes it. Maybe he does believe it, but anyone claiming to be a linguistic scholar doing research and sharing his deep insights to word origins should really know what they re talking about.

Jorden Maxwell example A:

Did King Solomon exist? Is the name Solomon derived from Sol OM On Does OM mean The Sun? Do we call turning on lights “on” because of Heliopolis?

These are actual comments made by Maxwell. His premise is asking:

King Solomon didn't even exist anywhere outside of the bible, and his name is just the peoples worship of the sun. Maxwell says that Solomon is just a word combination of:

Sol = Sun

Om = Sun god

on = some aspect of turning electricity on

Well, first of all, the name Solomon doesn't even exist in the Hebrew bible. That is an anglicized name for Shlomo. I know Jewish men whose name is Shlomo and they get called Solomon. If my name was Shlomo I'd want to be called Solomon here as well.

Now, electricity was even being used back then and so the idea that the word "on" was looking forward some 1800 years is a real stretch. There is no proof to back up the "Om" is a Hindu sun god. Om is a mantra used in meditations, it's not a name of a god. Often they put "Om" in front of a name or just chant it over and over.

Here is another one of Maxwell's claims:

The Egyptian god Set is so named because he's a sun god, and the Sun sets. Well, that would be handy if the word for setting sun had anything in common with the sound of the name Set, but it doesn't. According to touregypt.net, "Set (Seth, Setekh, Sut, Sutekh, Suty) was one of ancient Egypt's earliest gods, a god of chaos, confusion, storms, wind, the desert and foreign lands." What Maxwell claims is ridiculous when looked at closely, but he just says stuff like it's matter of fact knowledge for any linguistic scholar, and it's not. It does though cause people to doubt the bible, and I think that's the purpose of why he does this.

Let me do one more of his poor word explaining. Maxwell tries to say that the Hebrew religion is a mushroom cult because they gathered manna in the wilderness which were psychedelic mushrooms and when you ate them you could talk to God, and that's why they call the High priest the Highhhhhhhh Priest. Now, as in the video, I agree, Maxwell was having a joke, but there are actual people who think that's part of what Maxwell teaches, that High refers to being blown out of your mind on funny shrooms. But let's get back to this whole manna was mind altering mushrooms that allowed you to talk to God.

Where in the bible are we told the people ate manna or the priests in order to talk to God? Please show me the bible reference. In fact, the bible says it was angels food provided to the people to feed them while they chased their tails for 40 years wandering in the desert. Ok, it doesn't say chased their tails, but they were wandering because they lost faith in God. So, they were given manna to eat for FOOD! How much could they eat and could they store it? The bible says this about the manna:

Exodus 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they knew not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
Exo 16:16 This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents.
Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
Exo 16:18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.
Exo 16:19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
Exo 16:20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
Exo 16:21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
Exo 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Exo 16:24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
Exo 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.
Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which the LORD commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

Do you know how much an omer of manna would be to eat? It's about about 3.64 litres! If you ate that much funny mushrooms you would die! No where in there is it called a mushroom. In fact, no where does it say it's for talking with God. I have never taken psychedelic mushrooms, but I have a brother who has and friends who have, and they have never said they tasted like wafers made with honey. My point here is Jorden Maxwell is taking a lot of liberty with historical texts and trying to imply things they just don't say or even hint at. The video I posted has a ton more stuff. Things that he is just saying that come straight from Blavatsky but upon true scholarly research shows zero credibility.

My other thread about Is Ra El, puts that whole twist to rest as well. The Egyptians never called her Isis. In fact her name would best be written as "Eusat". Some go so far as to say they don't pronounce the "t" in ancient Egyptian (I guess the Egyptian goddesses Baset, Ma’at, Nekhbet, Nut, Sekhmet, Selkhet, Taweret, Bat, Mafdet, Chensit, Hatmehit, Hedetet, Hemsut, Heqet, Pakhet, Unut and Tefnut all just happen to be freak exceptions to this rule to name a few). If you care to learn the another viewpoint on these matters and finish the explanation of why Israel is not some joined words then check out this thread I started.

Ok, I have edited the above article with full block quote of the article on "Who is Jordan Maxwell". It brings into question people I am not looking at at this time. In fact, you can go into my past threads and see where I really like Alan Watts and David Icke. I am not on a witch hunt to ruin these people. Everyone makes mistakes, but what is shared in the Maxwell video are specific points he makes that are quite deceptive in my opinion. If you don't watch it, then you really don't have a valid opinion. If you do watch it and want to raise some points that bring the explanation into further light, please do so. I am not one to discuss with another on a topic who has not the time, inclination or intellectual honesty to actually be on the same page of the subject at hand.

[Vivek]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2sy41zkJqg

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAgsmjIESdc

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2PKh5FAXyM

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1NFgKFbdpg

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Personally, I don´t have anything against making mistakes.

It´s better to make mistakes searching for the truth than to be correct buying a big mac.

The point is if the mistakes are genuine or if they are deliberately made to misdirect.

In Maxwell´s case, I don´t have anything concrete to conclude that he´s trying to misdirect people.

I think he´s honest, differently from other characters (I don´t even need to name them again).

Anyway, my conclusion is only based on what you call "gut feelings". I really don´t believe he´s deliberately trying to spread disinfo but, of course, I might be wrong.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Vivek]

So, Mr. White thinks "Maxwell loves Blavatsky's work, Blavatsky loves Lucifer" and chocks all of Maxwell's work to be an agenticity colluding with the enemy.

Then, we turn around and say, "Mr. White loves his faith, he believes in Jesus Christ" and we chock all of his research up to his intentions.

So, we have Mr. White's intentions versus Jordan Maxwell's intentions. Both are well intended, hell if we were driven to believe people based on their intentions then a lot more people here would get behind Drake.

Break down Maxwell's work, break down White's work. The real conflicts of interest lie in beliefs in Jesus Christ (as with Icke too). Alright, well strip that off and there is still information worth looking at.

[Bill Ryan]

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Unified Serenity, you're busted -- a substantial amount of your long post #33 above you copied verbatim from http://ppjg.me/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell.

Please: if you're quoting other blogs and websites, cite your sources and make it clear when you are copying what others have written.

*** By the way, Jordan is both humbled and proud to have known Manly P. Hall pretty well -- and was astounded when Hall gifted him his entire esoteric library upon his death. That's an extraordinary, invaluable archive of deep information.

Jordan openly talks about how he knew many Freemasons (how do you suppose he learns about stuff?) and was even invited to some meetings -- but always remained objective and critical, and while remaining sociable (the mark of any good researcher) -- he always kept his personal distance from their purposes and agendas.

[Unified Serenity]

Vivek, you have a point in the comparative religion class. The difference here is what is being told is meant to undermine through very questionable research what is real about the bible. There is an agenda to put it in the books of yesteryear fables. I don't mind examining the bible, but to make statements such as are done in this video is very suspect. Where do we see Christians taking the book of Satan and twisting it all around. Amazingly, the vast majority of the alt media UFO movement centers around dumping Christianity and embracing a new spirituality. Another point I did notice in the MUFON video I posted was the sheer logic of raising the observation that if Aliens have traveled all this way, care about our planet, and us then why are they not sharing scientific stuff and other things like that to their channels? No, they focus on spirituality and telling them that "Yes, we are angels, but not as your bible teaches" or "We were your creators, and viewed as God, but we have come to show you that you are just as much God, and through your help we will bring in a new age and ascend to your rightful place with us". Wow, so, they came all this way to talk to us about God? They came all this was to help us dump our backwards spiritual beliefs and get on board to make us one big happy family in the New Age of Enlightenment and knowledge? Gee, I think we did this once before only it was called the garden of Eden and we were promised we'd be as God knowing good and evil, and we would not die. Wow, how stupid are we?

[shadowstalker]

*** By the way, Jordan is both humbled and proud to have known Manly P. Hall pretty well -- and was astounded when Hall gifted him his entire esoteric library upon his death. That's an extraordinary, invaluable archive of deep information. Jordan knew many Freemasons, but never embraced the order.

That's a very good point to make, I have many books on the occult and witchcraft and the like to help me do my research but that don't mean I sleep with the devil..

My grandfather was prolly a mason cuz I saw him wear a masonic ring once or twice but that didn't make him holy knowledgeable to what really happens at the top of the pyramid.

My folks practiced the wiccen ways when I was a child, but that don't mean i was used in negative rituals.

and so on and so on and so on...

[Unified Serenity]

Bill, I reworded sections, and I quoted sections. If you want me to do a long post with a full unaltered quote I will, but people complain if I do that, so I reworded it. If that upsets you then I am happy to quote it verbatum. It is not my intention to plagiarize, and if you think that is what that was, I will just do a whole block quote. That being the case, researching and sharing what is found with citing it would all be plagiarism. If I had intended to actually plagiarizer and thus it be criminal, I would not have actually linked to the very page of hers where I reworded portions.

No harm was meant. I just got tired of people claiming all I do is copy and paste. My article is a mixture of what I have found on other sites, and my insights.

Thanks for understanding.