Jordan Maxwell debunked

[Mad Hatter]

On topic - Check out handshake(s) at the end of JMs interview with Sitchin. One very normal followed by one very Masonic...

Off topic - but in response to the 'Manna' aspect some might like to watch 'The Pharmacratic Inquisition' (fascinating collection of data points) and others may find interesting David Hudsons speculations on it being white powder (Monoatomic) gold.

>resume normal program

PS sorry got nuthin for the rabid detractors

[ProperLogic]

You've got my solemn pledge to be right there by your side Jack! I am starting to realize that much is not as it seems. I have information I am investigating in other areas, and lots of irons in the fire so to speak, but it's like when building a house, you have to do a lot of foundational work and it doesn't look like much until you get to a certain point and then everything comes together, and the work is done. I have been working on "The Plan" for almost 20 years, and this past year which I stepped out of the rat race, I have dedicated myself to looking into these "foundational" things, and well, as I said, the more I find out, the more things are not as they seem.

We on Avalon know the general population is being lied to an manipulated, it's so obvious to us. Now, imagine that the enemy is not stupid, and expect truth seekers to be looking as well. Is it impossible for us to be manipulated and used for their goals and purposes as well? Isn't our very existence the divide and conquer aspect compared to the asleep? So, how awake are you if you have never really tried to verify what you are told? Are you so different than someone raised in a belief system who accepts that as truth and never really looks for the misdirections? I mean, why look for misdirection when you like what you think you know? It sounds right, feels right, and gosh darn it, you have a lot of friends telling you it's right. If you believe there is more to our existence than this life, meaning you are an eternal or at least not limited to this clay body being, do you think it matters a tinkers damn how many agreed with you in regards to your choices, actions, and beliefs?

Each one of us is responsible for our own soul. We make up our minds, but if we won't look for whatever reasons, are our minds made up based on facts or just what made us feel right / good? That's for each one of us to decide. For me, it does matter, and I will not follow anyone or believe anything without thoroughly investigating all sides of it, and in the future if someone comes to me and says, "Yeh, well did you know this?" I want to know what they have to say, and then it's up to me to investigate the veracity of the claims. I think the reason I was most upset with this whole Maxwell issue is I did know a lot of the symbolism already which he talks about, and so I was comfortable with him. I was not into astrotheology and did not examine his presentations on that really, and had I taken my own friggin advice years ago, I would have examined where he is coming from and done a proper investigation which I DID NOT DO then, and making amends for it now. Love me, hate me, don't give a damn about me, it matters not in the grand scheme of things. I appreciate the love, I am used to the hate, and I like the love better, but I cannot let others views of me determine my self worth, honor, integrity or actions.

I have always been honest with you all. I am telling your right now, that there is a lot you don't know about some of our "Pillars" of the alternative media / truth movement and you do yourself a disservice in my opinion by just believing what they say because it resonates with you, but that's your right to do so.

Jack, thank you for your post. All those who have contributed thoughtful words here showing the heart of a truth seeker, I thank you. It does make me feel like I am not alone completely in my passion for truth. Always know there is a remnant.

*Sigh*

Unified Serenity, I love you...! You amaze me!

[observer]

The problem with Christian Fundamentalism, individuals in the class of Chris White, and consequently, those who spend their energies debunking "Pilgrims of the Truth", the likes of Jordan Maxwell, is that they are supporting the very 'tool' used to keep the Mass of Humanity locked in a vile prison of Satanic Blood Ritual Sacrifice - since the Dawn of Man

I honor men like Jordan Maxwell for their courage to step-out of the prison of dogma and shed a light on the Darkness behind what motivates world conditions - ever since the system was created.

See this comment for more insight:

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[Unified Serenity]

Posted by observer (here)
The problem with Christian Fundamentalism, individuals in the class of Chris White, and consequently, those who spend their energies debunking "Pilgrims of the Truth", the likes of Jordan Maxwell, is that they are supporting the very 'tool' used to keep the Mass of Humanity locked in a vile prison of Satanic Blood Ritual Sacrifice - since the Dawn of Man

I honor men like Jordan Maxwell for their courage to step-out of the prison of dogma and shed a light on the Darkness behind what motivates world conditions - ever since the system was created.

See this comment for more insight:

Posted by observer (here)
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I would have no problems with Maxwell if he were actually dealing with dogma, but he is instead making false claims about the origin of Christianity and not backing his information up with anything a real ancient history scholar would find credible. The whole astrotheology teaching makes assumptive statements and quotes obscure sources, and upon actual critical peer review one finds that their very core elements do not hold up about ancient astrology. I seriously wonder if those who really support these theories of Maxwell and others such as Acharya S. have ever really examined their sources. Maxwell often used the standard sort of broad brush statements, and says check him out. Well, check him out, and see if his sources are respected in any real historical research sort of scholarship communities. Having some guy from 1800 who had no formal training in Egyptology but wants to teach about it really isn't trustworthy. He should be able to back up his statements condemning the foundation of Christianity or Judaism with more than they worship the sun and it's obvious because they worship the son of God, and then linking everyhting back to that via weird linguistics and astrology. I find it pretty funny that he doesn't even think that maybe the elites got into the Church way back after it was started and realized if they can't beat them then join them and use them.

Maxwell's buddy Lucifer shot two birds with one stone doing that. He helped wipe out small bands of pagans, solidified the power of his children which aided in taking over control of whole regions. Then having joined the church, murdered countless people through the church he hates, he turns around and blames the church 800 years later. It's a perfect Hegelian Dialectic.

Problem = Church

Crisis = Inquisition / spiritual lies

Solution = New Age Mystery Babylon

I also sort of see what Maxwell has done as sort of Good Cop / Bad Cop tactics. He exposes the political new world order machine and then does not recognize their workings within the church to destroy the church, and uses all their negative stuff to denounce the church and promote Theosophy and astrotheology.

[observer]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
[....snip]
".... but he is instead making false claims about the origin of Christianity and not backing his information up with anything a real ancient history scholar would find credible. The whole astrotheology teaching makes assumptive statements and quotes obscure sources, and upon actual critical peer review one finds that their very core elements do not hold up about ancient astrology".
[....snip]

Serenity,

I most humbly object to your line of reasoning.

May I point-out, the very systems of higher learning you are insisting be the litmus test for 'Truth and Understanding', i.e. the peer review system of 'credentialed' PhD's, and other 'legitimate' experts, is an extension of what can be defined as "The Oxford Template of Learning".

This is all part of a system that was expressly designed to compartmentalize any true understanding into drawers in some warehouse and mark those discoveries 'anomalous'.

If, what you say is correct, than you must apply the same rigid standards to researchers like:

• Lloyd Pie, "Everything You Know Is Wrong".
  
• Michael Cremo, "Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race".
  
• Richard Hoagland, "Dark Missions"
  
• Joseph Farrell, "Yahweh, The Two Faced God"
  
• The above links are just a sampling of the work of these truth researchers.
  

Lets also include:

• Jim Marrs
• Peter Levenda
• David Icke
• Klaus Dona
• Richard Dolan
• Henry Deacon
• John Lear
  
• Even our own, Bill Ryan

Why not 'toilet paper' the entire living room?.... teardown the very fabric of the truth movement.... and return to the futile systems created by Biblical Christianity.

Something MUST change.... and Jordan Maxwell, as imperfect as you may perceive him, represents a small step in that change.

Dare anyone question the sacred halls of orthodox learning....

[Unified Serenity]

There is a difference in presenting actual artifacts from antiquity like Klaus Donna does. Things we cannot produce today like the magnetic goblet and such with the solar system visible on it when hit with a black light, and citing as proof of his (Maxwell's) thinking from non-educated people who claim to be historians. Their "proof" does not check out under scrutiny. I guess, I will now have to post the information about Acharya S. work that she has reworked because she had to admit her "sources" were not up to speed, so she went and found obscure sources from other countries that when fact checked actually went back to her original sources as their sources.

Jordan Maxwell and Acharya S. do not present artifacts. They spin a story, and at this point as we do in the South regarding telling a fairy tale, they should start their presentations with,

"You aint gonna believe this sh*t......"

edit to add (Maxwell's)

[Unified Serenity]

Richard Carrier cannot be viewed as a Christian with an axe to grind. He does not support Christianity, and yet, he has a lot to say about Maxwell and others who teach the Christian myth ideas espoused in Zeitgeist. This video is quite telling:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lI-dwDMhtc

I am currently on a very large atheist site that doesn't buy the whole astrotheology debunking Christianity as a myth belief system. This guy wrote a very good article which I will paste a few of his thoughts, and encourage you to go to the page and also read the dialogue he has with the fanclub of Acharya s. and by extension Jordan Maxwell because they are pretty much saying the same things on this debunking of where Judaism and Christianity really come from:

Problems with Acharya S: A Brief Review


Submitted by Rook_Hawkins on October 21, 2007

Over the past few weeks I have been getting an increase if fanboys (literally) of Acharya S, who pour in from who knows where (perhaps the Raves and Shindigs are letting out earlier then usual?). Perhaps they mean well, but this is really what the Jesus Mythicist Campaign was meant to expose - the poor and sloppy scholarship of some of the mythicist defenders out there. Among those who would discredit the movement, I feel Acharaya S is a valid candidate who has been among other things sloppy.



Worse yet, many of the fans that have come to my website seem to have no rudimentary knowledge of antiquity, nor do they seem to have any grasp of the methodologies employed by modern scholars and historians who have to face a rigid peer review before they publish. When two of her fans attempted to go head to head with me in my forum, I confronted them are some of their very glaring historical inadequacies. Here is a brief list of some of these errors:
1. Comparing Jesus to Krishna/Buddha
2. Claiming the Moses/Jesus stories are Midrash based on the Bhagavad Gita
3. Claiming that both Julius Caesar and Plato were both said to be born of virgins and sons of God
4. Claiming ALL Caesars were deified






First, before one can even claim that there were influences on early Christians/Jews by the Bhagavad Gita or the works of Buddha (life of Buddha?), several things must be established:
1.) Settlements. What evidence does one have of Jewish settlements in India? What archaeological finds have been presented for this? Example: We have inscriptions (on tomb stones and buildings) and dedications in Alexandria, Rome, Syria, and Cyrenaica of Jewish neighborhoods and businesses, synagogues and temples. Alexandria has the highest concentration of evidence of Jewish life, however outside the Ancient Near East, we have found settlements in Italy and Greece and that is really it. Please consult J.M.G. Barclay's, Jew's in the Mediterranean Diaspora: From Alexander to Trajan (1996).
2.) Holy Book Location. One must show evidence at one of these other Jewish locations, especially Alexandria where papyrus was found and made in great numbers (hence why we have so many manuscripts from Egypt), where the Gita has been found.
3.) Assimilation and Socio-Cultural Accommodation. One must present some level of sociological assimilation or acculturalization where the Jews have lost some of their cultural distinctiveness to the Hindu religion, or the following of Hindu religious practices, such that we see with Orpheus and Orphic traditions (i.e. Poems written in Hebrew to Orpheus, or mosaics in Jewish synagogues of Orpheus) - we should see poems or literature written of Krishna in Hebrew, or some sort of art or graffiti in Jewish living areas dedicated to Krishna. The opposite should also be seen as well: Those who follow Hinduism should have held in some regard the Jewish religion in some areas (where these Jewish Settlements could be found in India) much like the Greco-Roman populace produced many "god-fearers" who although did not become circumcised would have certainly respected (and even tithed) to Yahweh.
4.) Holy Book Access. Not only must the Gita be found in a location near or in a Jewish neighborhood or settlement, but evidence of earlier usage of the Gita before the Gospels, or Paul, where Jews have been accustomed to seeing it, or would have at least had knowledge of it.
5.) Holy Book in the Vernacular. Similarity in languages must be established. Is there evidence that Jews even would understand the Gita if they read it, or would have been in a position to transliterate the language into Hebrew or Greek in a manner which would allow one to show a common link between the Gita and the Gospels in the original languages (not the English summarizations)? Do such translations of the Gita in Greek or Hebrew even exist?
If these five venues can be established, there certainly would be sufficient reason to accept that Krishna and Hinduism would have had some sort of influence on the Jewish culture, to the point where one might suggest acutely that Christ would have been recycled trope from Hinduism. The same five must-haves would also have to be established for Buddha as well. (By the way, all five of these can be established for Orphism, and the traditions of Orpheus.)
Yet this is not what we have. In fact, we have the converse of what we would need to adequately establish a base claim that the tropes of Jesus were taken from Hinduism and Buddhism. Of the many non-biblical Jewish writers we know of, none discuss or refer to any Hindu god or Buddha, nor do they refer to dealings with Hindus or Buddhists, or having ever read the Gita. We have a very loud argument from silence on the part of Acharya's claim here, and this position that is being parroted by the fanboys on the message boards do not help her case.
What of references in non-Jewish sources are also non-extant. Can it be established that Greek city-states or the Roman Republic/Empire had access to these documents and myths? This must also be looked at and considered, and clearly it hasn't.
That isn't to say that there aren't some similarities between Buddha, Krishna and Jesus (Buddha was not a God, hero, king or queen, although Acharya claims so on her site. Nor would Buddha have been called "anointed" or "wetted," as she claims - such concepts were entirely Jewish in nature) but the similarities are themes shared by a wide variety of cultures having absolutely not connection with each other. The theme of life over death for example is one of these. So is the theme of dualism, the battle between light and dark - however in Judaism it is clear such trends developed from the Greeks. Clearly, one cannot be so careless as to assume that Krishna and Buddha influenced the development of Jesus Christ.




For a historian, comparative religion is a tricky thing. It's very cool to see how different societies have common tropes and themes, but that doesn't imply that these themes CAME from each other - at least not all the time. (And not without loads of data and evidence!) It is next to impossible most of the time to establish the connection many conmythispiracists (kon-myth-a-spiricists: my new title for mythicists who resort to this sort of rubbish) wish to establish. There are better ways, and certainly better explanations, for such tropes to exist in the New Testament. You only need one strong case of recycled tropes to show the Jesus of the Gospels isn't historical. And you only need one strong case of recycled tropes to show that those earlier tropes came from other Near Eastern cultures in antiquity. To go to the extremes of Acharya is not only pushing buttons, but begging for scholarship to look at one as amateurish.
Certainly, Acharya has been sloppy in her research, and her claims seem more like sensationalism than actual scholarship. Certainly she sells books, and that is good. I'm glad she is doing well for herself. We should all be so lucky. But, I will not, nor will I let others, promote such incredulous tripe as what we have seen above. There is certainly reason to be skeptical and even cautious about reading Acharya's work. It should be read carefully, with a grain of salt, and it should always be remembered that such claims need to be researched beyond her books. Certainly she misses some very powerful claims in need of citation, and even more does she need to spend more time reading the works of other historians and scholars in the field.
These are serious mistakes, and they need to be corrected.
For further reading: http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...er/graves.html

He raises the pertinent points regarding scholarship, and how proper research is done and cited.

Read the whole article.

[jagman]

My gut always told me Jordan was a hack & a conman but that's just my opinion. I have to confess, I absolutely love a good story being spun by
a master like Bob Dean or Jim Mars. Jordan's got to make a living somehow. So I am not knocking him for telling his stories or ie (theories)
I just dont find him that entertaining. I know some of you will take severe umbridge with my above statements about Jordan being a hack and a
conman but guess what? That is my opinion and I'm entitled to it

[gripreaper]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
They spin a story, and at this point as we do in the South regarding telling a fairy tale, they should start their presentations with, "You aint gonna believe this sh*t......"

LOL. Maybe if we qualified all our statement with this phrase, they would be more palatable! Funny thing is, usually the stories in the south that are qualified with this statement are true!

[Unified Serenity]

This guy is like your favorite comparative religion professor. He's written a book, but he put together some overviews of the chapters. For those who like a straight forward presentation of history without all the glitz of eye candy, mood music, and such, then these are for you. Great video about the rebirth of astrotheology:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOCk2gCXoOQ

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cc76vwqp4s

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmA2N2AOj1s

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_t2VmCh11Y

[Unified Serenity]

So, you like Maxwell's expressing his views on how Jesus being the lamb of God is really going back to the Dali Llama! Yes, folks, this is classic Jordan Maxwell linguistic gymnastics:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwQGPIWgMg

[Unified Serenity]

Oh yes, now let's find out where Maxwell says the church comes from, this is the most amazing linguistic twisting :

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t9OBErbsHs

[Unified Serenity]

Oh, maybe it's Jordan's explaining how the myth of Noah's flood really came about that has you proving the bible is a lie and a myth:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HzkvreBlyw

[Unified Serenity]

Well, now we can find out how Crisco is linked to the concept of the word "Lord", this is classic Maxwell:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qA5oK9ZuPU

[heyokah]

Serenity, are you that desperate to make your point ....... Or is it to keep this thread alive.......?

[Unified Serenity]

Well, actually Heyokah, since so many attacked my even asking the question, and have not dealt with the actual initial video, I figured small topic issues that can be handled in less than five to ten minutes would help others. I also find it pretty disingenuous for you to ask me such a question to imply I have some agenda. I bring up a topic to explore a topic. When it's apparent that straw man arguments, attempts to derail the topic by attacking the messenger are plain for all to see, then maybe it's just possible to actually investigate the claims. Have you watched any of the videos I have posted? If you have then do you agree to the conclusions Maxwell draws and agree to his methods of coming to those conclusions? Thus, do you believe the premise he makes on how the church is basically a made up myth and the truth is all about astrotheology and our answers are in the stars? This of course despite the fact that the Egyptians did not use the zodiac at all until the Hellenists influenced them.

Your post though does have the apparent tone of yet again questioning my character and motives. I'd really love to hear how you deal with Maxwell's creative linguistics.

[heyokah]

Yes Serenity, I saw this video over a year ago and "jumped through" it again when you posted it.

U.S.: I also find it pretty disingenuous for you to ask me such a question to imply I have some agenda.

"Attack is the best form of defense. " ??

I'm not going to argue with you over this, as English is not my mother tongue. Besides there are more important things in life....


Bill Ryan said it so well

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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The problem is with the video-maker's (or the debunker's) intention. Here's what I mean:

Unified Serenity, I genuinely very much appreciate your passion, and integrity, and your let's-face-the-truth-whatever-it-might-be attitude.

But -- supposing I had an agenda to discredit you, or smear you, or somehow cause the readers here to be much more likely to ignore the value you add.

What I could easily do -- if I wanted to! -- is sift through your 2,700 posts, find some juicy out-of-context extracts, highlight the chosen ones, and find apparent contradictions, times when you had expressed yourself a little impulsively, or simply when you had something quite wrong (maybe quite some time ago).

Listing those, and with some clever presentation, I bet I could make you look like anything I wanted to. I could make you look like a troll, or a poor researcher, or simply stupid.

Or if I was a fan of your work, I could go the other way and make you look brilliant and incisive. This is the problem.

I know Jordan Maxwell personally, and in 2010 spent six straight weeks with him 24/7 (on his visit to Europe). I know he has some things wrong. I know he has misinterpretations of some of the linguistics behind certain terms, etc etc, and that he over-stresses those. I've talked with him about that.

But he's genuine, beaten-up, brave, wounded, exhausted, persistent, and has been an imperfect, heroic champion of almost all of the the causes we all stand for. See the tremendous video interview which Kerry did of him in Sept 2009 -- one of her very, very best -- at the end of which Jordan was in tears, and after which (off-camera) Kerry simply could not speak.

Here is a man who devoted his life to a mission, and believed he had failed. These are the real issues. Not the details.

Maybe you should take up some hobby.
Fishing perhaps.

Love and Peace,
heyokah

[NewParadigmGuy]

Posted by SEAM (here)
Somewhat off topic, but hopefully relevant.. One (Late) Professor Smiley of Cornell thinks Christ is Oil! I think a lot of this stuff is the old school text, which I happen to fully endorse.. no internet to cloud the mind... just good old fashion research...

Sorry I can't copy and paste:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52358943/P...ALLY-KUNDALINI

I don't want to derail this wonderful thread, but the idea that Christ is an oil which circulates in the body fascinates me. Does anyone know if there is a thread on this forum which explores this idea?

[Unified Serenity]

WARNING: IF YOU ARE NOT A TRUTH SEEKER READ NO FURTHER. I MAY SAY SOMETHING THAT CAUSES YOU TO QUESTION YOUR BELIEFS

Heyokah,

I am more than happy to come under anyone's scrutiny when I write an article or if I were to do a presentation. Be my guest. Was what Bill wrote supposed to intimidate me or shame me for caring to ask questions regarding the information Maxwell puts out that quite frankly some have had effect their families, spiritual paths, and outlook on the future? Take up a hobby? Take up a hobby is again, an insult trying to insinuate I am some nut job who needs to get a life, or at least stop interfering in your life. If you don't like my views or posts, don't click on them. It's really quite easy to ignore me if my views cause you so much discomfort. I have yet to see anyone who supports what Maxwell teaches actually deal with the topic of the thread.

The first emotional reactions were "How can you do this!" or "How dare you attack Maxwell"! Then the reactions were to switch from being aghast anyone would dare examine the facts and truths of Maxwell, to focusing on the guy who did the video. The information suddenly was not even worthy to be looked at because he had a right wing Christian wacko agenda! Then, it was back to attacking anyone for daring to come onto Bill's forum, "his house" and bash a friend of Bill's.

So, I gathered more data, I warned you all that when I start digging I do not stop until I have unearthed as much as possible, and while you, Heyokah might not be interested in the information, I imagine hearing Maxwell exposed for the linguistic subterfuge and idiocy that he uses by an Atheist debunker no less, no wait, TWO atheist debunkers might be of interest to others. Now, I have some more information just posted for the viewing and research pleasure of members who do actually care about the truth. So, Crisco Oil is Lard and that's where the word Lord comes from? The Ancient Egyptians Nile flooding and having some supposed Argha-Noa party was where the Ark of Noah comes from? There is no Argh-Noa story, and is Maxwell actually saying the the English word Ark was somehow magically in the minds of the bible writers thousands of years ago?

I want you all to examine your beliefs. You seem to love to think how stupid Christians are. [edit: How they only read the bible and listen to preachers and parrot back stupid traditions without investigating other data.] How uneducated and misguided they are and how they refuse to wake up to the truths shared by the likes of Jordan Maxwell whose teachings Zeitgeist used as a template for their movie, and yet when I lay evidence before you, you either ignore it, ridicule it or question my motives. [edit: how are you any different than the very people (Christians) whom so many of you believe are deluded ignoramuses who follow a fake system and don't even know it because they buy the story without investigating it. How are you any different when you can't deal with some ridiculous things Maxwell teaches?] How much of a truth seeker are you or am I scaring the sh*t out of you? How's it feel to actually be in the place of defending your beliefs that I think if they are based on Jordan Maxwell's ideas do not hold up to scrutiny.

I work very hard to dig into truth. To find out as much as I can before moving onward. I think I have pretty much found out Jordan Maxwell's take on the roots of Judea-Christian beliefs is completely made up or comes from such twisted linguistics that it's not worth examining. The last video I watched has me now interested in the whole Constantine being a pagan worshiper and how that all got started. I don't think Constantine was a devout Christian, but a good politician, but now, I have to start digging there. I do believe in symbolism and hidden stuff, but I will certainly be very careful with anything linked in any way to Maxwell.

Here is that video. This guy is dry and you want him to hurry up, but he actually does have a point and will get there. I can put up with irritating people if they have something to share. But then again, I actually want to learn the truth:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2lwmp6RFOc

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by NewParadigmGuy (here)

Posted by SEAM (here)
Somewhat off topic, but hopefully relevant.. One (Late) Professor Smiley of Cornell thinks Christ is Oil! I think a lot of this stuff is the old school text, which I happen to fully endorse.. no internet to cloud the mind... just good old fashion research...

Sorry I can't copy and paste:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52358943/P...ALLY-KUNDALINI

I don't want to derail this wonderful thread, but the idea that Christ is an oil which circulates in the body fascinates me. Does anyone know if there is a thread on this forum which explores this idea?

Messiah is where the Greek word Christos comes from which means "Anointed one". And though there is no evidence of Jesus being anointed say as King David was, the idea is the title of Messiah means the Anointed of God, promised to redeem the world. I do find it very interesting that the sacred oil of the JEWISH temple is the same word we have for American Indian Holy man/woman - Shamman.

H8081
שׁמן
shemen
sheh'-men
From H8080; grease, especially liquid (as from the olive, often perfumed); figuratively richness: - anointing, X fat (things), X fruitful, oil ([-ed]), ointment, olive, + pine.

edit to add:

H4899
משׁיח
mâshı̂yach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.


G5547
Χριστός
Christos
khris-tos'
From G5548; anointed, that is, the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: - Christ.