Opened pandora's box, wtf is going on?

[donk]

We got ghosts:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...938#post474938

I was fairly certain we had some standard souls trapped in the 3D space where we live, behaving like in your typical “ghost story”…hear noises, maybe even see them, occasionally cross dimensions and interact.

I even “felt” a presence once…and I am very not sensitive to that type of thing, the only experiences I have had (and there have been many, especially in my best friend’s house growing up) were their manipulation of the 3D world (turning on radios, blowing up light bulbs, sounds from the walking and whatnot, etc).

But if you read my story from before, I thought there was more going on.


My girl apparently was lured into a vortex to some other dimension (me being completely insensitive again only noticed 3D effects). Talking about it, and particularly abduction, caused my girl to slip into a crazy unconsciousness, with her memory of the time leading up to it non-existent.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...991#post505991


So last night, the sensitive friend I mentioned came over. He makes her brave, having someone around that she can kind of relate to (he doesn’t see as much as she does but he feels nearly as much).

We were smoking in the garage (where a month or so ago she was cleaning the day all the vortex fun happened). The teo of them were getting heavy vibes, to the point my boy bugged out and ran inside and hid at one point in fear, it would have been comical/baffling if I didn't know what was up, he was like a cartoon character, there one second, a cloud of dust the next. And he is pretty fearless when it comes to most things, so I knew something was going on, he don't play games.

So we talk about it, and apparently the friggin attic in the garage is calling to my girl. She feels someone in there needs her help (just like the grove thing started) so they psych themselves up to check it out. She thought I shouldn't go up, and decided she should go first.

The garage has higher ceiling than standard, my boy and I had to boost her up onto a shelf and support the shelf while she popped the lid and poked her head in. After a couple of mins, she is audibly upset, starts talking about “how they want to hurt me”.

We carefully get her down, she collapses onto me, talking about how she got a vision of her bloody head on the concrete floor and how she was supposed to die tonight. Says she felt an initial release/relief, and then whatever it was feeling that rolled out and into the house, that it/they were trapped before.

We talk about it for a bit, she gets more comfortable, my friend leaves. That’s when sh!t got intense.

So the house is a small McMansion, a 4-bedroom two car garage joint with lots of space. The garage is furtherest “west” on the house, you come in it and the (large) kitchen is next room in, then a small bathroom with little hall divides it and there’s a den/tv room. From the couch you can see all the way down to the garage through the kitchen.

So after all the fun and several conversations, we showed my boy out. The two of us were then hanging out in the kitchen. She grabs me, says “I wanna go watch my show”, looking over my shoulder at "something". We go into the den and sit on the couch.

She was curled up on my lap, and she kept looking down toward the garage. Her fear grew and grew, she was talking about how she could see them, they wanted her to be near them. This was a slow progression…they were in the kitchen for a bit, her fear increased. They moved to the hall in front of bathroom—she became more and more scared.

As time went on, she was in real panicky state, and kept ducking her head into my shoulder and tracking these beings I couldn’t see as they progressed through the room toward her. all the whiel complaining of having trouble breathing/needing to go to doctor for asthma.

Then the craziest sh!t happened. It seemed the progression sped, she muttered something about I need to be near them, and something jumped up in her. It was straight exorcist sh!t, she went from curled up on me like a cat to stretched waaay out, her head shot back and her arm flew out, if she wasn’t on me so I could feel her movements and her, I would never believe she was not being dramatic.

For maybe a second her eyes were wide, then they slowly shut and she shut down, like the night I described in the thread. I had no idea what to do other than keep checking for breath. It is such a shallow breathing for her, it is scary.

I kept calling to her, gently. Telling her to fight, then thinking better of it—telling her to love. Trying to love whatever “possessed” her, wondering if I was gonna get her back or whateverthef*ck jumped in her.

I called my friend that had left (this was all inabout 10-20 mins from him leaving, if that), but hung up. She stirred. I thought about it a minute, and she started rolling her neck, like the stretch I often to loosen it up (not spinning around like exorcist, but prob the closest you can come without ripping tendons).

She’d start to seem to come too, stretch out her arm, peel back. Like she was fighting or the entity was trying to break free. Here eyelid would open a bit and the eyeballs were rolled back. She was not responding to me. It was episodic, she would so what I just described slowly as if in syrup, then collapse again. After 3-4 times of that, I was really freaked. I wasn’t seeing my girl, but not really anyone else either, more like a meat-bag puppet (not scary, just like her face was unconscious, her body a dead weight), the emotion and consciousness was way beneath what I could see.

So I bite the bullet and call my friend. I didn’t think to connect the first movement with when I first grabbed my phone, but the 4th/5th repetition of her “stretching out” and movement started when I dialed, and went faster…I am on the phone with this dude and keep asking “are you there? Hey can you hear me?” and anyone else woulda thought I was talking to them, but he stayed on the phone and was calming.

Anyway, she really started moving, either she was battling to get whatever out, or whatever was battling to get out of her body, there were 4-5 successions and she came to groggily at first.

When I deteremined she was ok, I had to go have a cig. Coming outside, she was better than she had been since the beginning of night. I’m trying to describe this to my friend who’s still on the phone with me without her hearing too much, and she is completely unaware of everything that happened from the time she said she wanted to watch the show until right then. So friggin wild.

We go upstairs, start talking about the night, and again being in the house is getting oppressive to her. I keep pushing, asking if she thinks it’s our “ghosts” (which she can see and identify, which haven’t manifested as visually since the sage cleansing, and she seemed to be ok with). She says no, this was different (but to me it was sounding eerily similar to the grove story), that there were “things” (beings) that weren’t like ghosts, smoky, at least 3-4 moving around very fast. That she didn’t think they were ghosts, I start to say “so they were like interdimensional beings??”

But before I can even finish, she can’t breathe, thinks she’s going to die, keeps telling me her vision (I tell her “baby, we avoided that timeline”), and then says that she feels like something is in her, that her guts (intestines) are all twisted and hurting, she is in a lot of pain, can’t breathe, and is sure she is going to die. I am sure that this is a panic attack at this point, but it really seems like something else is there, that it is not completely internal to her. But she passes out again, only to come to about 30 seconds later (I gotta start timing it, it seems like the same 30-60 secs every time, think it’s 5x now), acting like herself again, not remember anything since walking into bedroom.

So would love some insight from anyone with experience/knowledge about anything like this. I am starting to be convinced she was abducted and programmed, anything on tv or in conversations about aliens or abductions and she doesn’t hear/changes the subject. When she does start listening and seeming to understand, her body shuts down. She had an experience exactly like an abduction--that she has projected onto me ever since she told me, as in “he thinks I was raped by an alien"…she won’t tell anyone else from her point of view, just a twisted version of how I interpreted what she told me. Anyone know anything about this?

Definitely not discounting that SHE is responsible for the way this definitely external energy is manifesting. Her baggage has baggage, and was dealing with some of that (family) all day before all this. Could just be emotional overload, is temporary selective amnesia ever linked to anxiety attacks. She also always mentions she has "selective memory", anyone know what that means other than an excuse to pawn off responsibility?

Also, extradimensional beings: am I dealing with “demons”. It is weird, she usually is quick to judge, but I have been working on teaching her to give the bene of the doubt—so it was rare but she didn’t judge as evil, she actually grew and said “I don’t know for sure”…of all the “people” to give the benefit of the doubt to! Anyway, there is a definite connection of her getting information about ET/EDs and her shutting down.

One other weird thing, my boy had brought over the move “Thrive”, as I had never seen it. Having watched everything Nassim Haramein and a lot of those dudes (Gilliland, Greer, whoever else) had already done, I wasn’t as impressed as he expected (didn't help I was having audio issues, I gotta give it another whirl, I guess), the production cr@p bothered and the main dude didn’t resonate, especially on some futuristic quasi studio set with cosmic blue screen—I just wasn’t that into it, and my girl is all chatters up to this point. But it was when Gilliland came on that triggered the discussion of the attic…

I was telling him about the ECETI ranch and how close I was last week (I visited fam in PNW) and so we were on UFO topic then the crop circle part came on—that was when my girl, who was totally not engaged in the movie or discussion, got all adamant about how crop circles were just a distraction. I found this VERY odd, she was so certain. Asked what she meant, and she said “they don’t mean anything”…I ask how she knows/why she thinks that, and she replies it is just what she feels, and she feels it for sure. That’s when I got into asking her about is the ghosts/being real or just a distraction, which lead to her needing to check the attic…

Sorry for the lengthy rambling, needed to put it down and work it on my head…if anyone made it this far your insight would be appreciated. Gracias!

[shadowstalker]

since the sage cleansing,

Who saged the house?
What was said while saging the house?
what was done after saging the house?

If intention was done wrong, one door could have been closed while another could have being opened.

If you wish to sage the house again try having a native american do it? (if possible)

I have nothing else for you at this moment, I am deeply, deeply sorry..

But I am sending love and harmony for you and your family, that's all I can give for now

[donk]

An old friend of hers, going around with the intent of love--while the friend I mentioned was meditating (and I tried to, or observed the whole time...the kids lost interest pretty quick). It was really intense watching it flare it up when it hit hotspots, I never seen it in action...and it seemed about halfway through everything in the house went to my girl, the sage nearly exploded in her friend's hand when she got it back near her again. She tried some sweet grass after to try to lighten the air (I guess), and it wouldn't light, that was weird to me too.

I don't know any native Americans, it was an old friend she hadn't seen in long time--but they were really connected. The sage seemed to put her at ease (the second time she came by, the first was apparently incomplete, and guess we need a couple more shots at it). But the activity is definitely directly connected to her emotional energy, every time her mom puts her down and/or abusive uncle is in town, activity ramps up...which I would be stoked about if I wasn't worried about her, especially the pass out/shutting down thing. I asked Truman about the phenomon and he mentioned in passing he was aware of it but never expounded...anyway, thansk so much for the insight, thoughts and kindness, much love!

[shadowstalker]

every time her mom puts her down and/or abusive uncle is in town, activity ramps up

Have you spoken to these ppl about what is going on?
They maybe bringing these entities with them or projecting it to your girl there?
What are there belief systems as a whole or individually?

Something maybe piggybacking them for them to help bring this on.

My niece still has these problems with piggybackers cuz her hubby thinks his ****e don't stink when it come to entities.. But none of these problems had accord till she hooked up with him..

Anyway thank you for sending more info our way as it does help with finding a possible solution.

Mind you, I am still sending love and harmony vibes to all involved...

My girl apparently was lured into a vortex to some other dimension
P.S. is this door permanently CLOSED????

[NancyV]

I've had several experiences with ghosts and possession. Depending on your personality type you can choose to deal with them in various ways. I have some rather aggressive tendencies when it comes to ghosts/trapped spirits or negative spirits. If the spirits are negative I figure they are still operating in the realms of fear, so I use their own tactics on them which is to instill fear in THEM. If this is their modus operandi they will often respond to someone using it on them.

An example is when my 2nd husband and I lived in Hawaii our house overlooked an ancient Hawaiian burial ground. I knew it was haunted from the times I walked past it on a trail down to the edge of the cliff overlooking the ocean. Several times friends of mine who walked with me down to the ocean would feel these beings...and they didn't feel positive. I ignored them the first few times, then I started cussing at them and ordering them to go away. This worked relatively well. There was only one house below ours in which a Hawaiian man lived alone with his 3-4 dogs. His old house was right next to the burial grounds. For several months after we moved into our house we would hear the dogs barking and howling in pain a couple of nights a week. We went out onto the deck to hear better and realized that the man was beating his dogs. He would get drunk a couple of times a week and beat his dogs.

I finally figured out that he was being possessed. He actually worked for us a few times helping us lift heavy building materials while we were building our house. So I saw what a lovely and gentle person he was when he was not drunk and possessed. One night the dogs screaming while he was beating them mercilessly caused me to get so angry I went out on the deck and started yelling down at his house. I was so angry that the rage came over me and I focused it like a laser down to him. My voice sounded so scary that my husband went inside and covered his ears. He never wanted me to confront anyone as it was so scary, but I am rather confrontational and didn't often let his fears of confrontation stop me.

I yelled down to him and basically told him that if he didn't stop torturing his dogs I would call the police, hurt him, kill him and other not so nice things. I don't remember exactly what I said as when this comes over me it just flows out, but I do quite a bit of cussing when I'm in this state. Basically I am playing on the persons fears... and this also works on spirits, if they are susceptible to it. Most minor negative or confused "ghosts" are susceptible to fear. I then started yelling at the spirits and telling them what I would do if they didn't stop controlling this man. It only took a few minutes of this and all the noise stopped from below. The acoustics were pretty good as his house was fairly far below ours and luckily there were no other residences within view or hearing distance as we were far away from most houses.

It took about a week but he finally came up to our house one day to apologize and thank me. I explained to him that when he was drunk these spirits found a powerless and willing victim to possess. We never heard him torturing his dogs again. The ghosts were barely noticeable when I walked by the graveyard, either alone or with friends. I don't think they were totally inactive with other people, but they left me alone. I could still sense them but they didn't try to scare me or anyone with me from then on, which was another 2-3 years before we sold the property and left Hawaii.

Sage is good and Shadowstalker is correct that the intentions you have or statements you use while saging are important. If sage doesn't work with love intentions, try it with powerful and forceful commands. My present husband and I moved into a new house (for us) about 6 months ago. I found the energy to be off. A neighbor told me after a couple of months that the man and his girlfriend who lived here were very loud and argumentative on a regular basis and they were extremely relieved when they moved out. So I thought there was some residual negativity.

It took a rather dramatic episode for me to get my butt in gear and go out to buy sage. My husband and I were having a rather minor disagreement and I left and went into the bedroom. All of a sudden he came into the room and grabbed the HUGE knife he keeps by the side of his bed, grabbed my arm and held the knife to my throat. He started repeating "why are you trying to kill me? Why are you trying to kill me?" over and over, MANY times and with a very strange look in his eyes. I knew it wasn't him and I know that he's strong enough that he couldn't normally get possessed like that. He's been sick lately and taking some yucky medications and pain pills so I thought those probably made him more easily controlled by the entity. In this case I had to talk him down by saying "I love you, I love you, I'm not trying to kill you". It took a while but it worked and the light of reason returned to his eyes. He actually didn't even REMEMBER doing this and acted later like nothing had happened. Cussing and anger wouldn't have worked in this case, so every case can be different.

We went out the next day and got sage. He saged the house and I told the spirits to leave, but without much emotion. Normally he always sages a house when we move, but this time we had neglected to do it. It lightened the energy for a while but I had another incident where 4 different framed photos of dead relatives all fell down on the same day, plus a heavy framed painting on the wall crashed down to the floor. This all happened in about a 4 hour period. This time I did the very harsh talking in a nasty voice to whatever spirit might be around. That worked well for a couple of weeks but another framed photo just fell about 2 days ago. LOL...

If the spirits or energy bothering your girl are localized to where you live, it may be wise to move if you can't get rid of them. You could also try to find someone who will banish them for you. If either one of you has the capacity to get really nasty and harsh, try yelling and cussing or talking harshly and threatening the spirits and COMMAND them to leave. That may work for you if you have the right energy for it. If you don't, don't worry...most people don't have the ability to use power in that way. It sounds like extreme anger but it's not really anger. It's just passionate, intense power.

Best wishes in dealing with these energies. It's all a great learning process and not one to be fearful of. Negative entities feed on fear and we can only disempower ourselves if we succumb to that fear.

Just for fun I added this photo from 1980 of how our deck in Hawaii looked down towards the ocean. The graveyard and Hawaiian man's house was more to the left and blocked from view by trees. There's also a photo of me with our first baby. Funny how such a peaceful and loving woman (like me) can be so very harsh and scary! LOL...

[shadowstalker]

I can verify that anger that is to say righteous anger and commands do work,(I used that technique before things got rough) I had completely forgot about that, thank you NancyV for that reminder....

[<8>]

Hi and thanks for sharing..

I don't think I can help here, and perhaps I am a bit naive, because I don't have to much experience.
I can understand that it's easy to turn fear into anger, and I would even suggest that we are all more or less conditioned to respond to the unknown like this.

But even though it might work in some incidents, I believe it can easily turn into a downward spiral, don't you agree?
It's like fighting fire with fire and the more you give into fear the more you resonate with the negative beings, and they are themselves stuck in a negative realm for whatever reason.

Like I said, I probably naive. Nevertheless, I personally are going with the positive all the way to the end.
I don't see any ghosts (yet), but i am convinced that my little dog see things I can't see. Today he ran out to the hallway, I looked at him because I though there was someone at the door.
He just stopped before he reached the door and he faced the other way, than he sat down and started looking up and down like there was someone standing next to him.

And we almost go to a cemetery on a daily basis, because I just love it there, it's so calm and peaceful.
Anyway, sometimes he just go crazy and he even get scared and try to run away. It's definitely negative entities who doing their best to scare us away.
I just smile and send all my love to whatever is out there, because I know that we are the same in the larger picture.

That said, sometimes I can even feel that I receive love back after an incident like I just mentioned.


Best of luck from the hopeless positive guy....

[donk]

I'm hopelessly positive too, and that is why the passion of my girlfriend really bothers me sometimes. She's Ecuadorean (she calls it "Spanish"...wait baby, you ever even been to Spain? You think I'm English?? ) and is the about the most passionate person I ever met. I know her true self is all love, and I know that whether her momma/unca/rest of the judgemental bring actual entities into our lives or not, they absolutely strengthen the fear and pain and baggage that has built up over the years that we're working so hard to remove.

But regardless, she seems to see "dead people" everywhere. The vortex/extra dimension/whatever...she has not tried going back yet. I wanted my friend to check it out, though he was too fearful after whatever he saw/felt in the garage.

The more I read into abduction, the more I see a programming in her, not sure if it's reality or applying the most recent knowledge I get. But the way she goes out...it is soooo bizarre...it is more like a "shut down" than a pass out. The amnesia thing is really weird too. She has been having dreams and visions, but is so inarticulate (read: just getting used to being honest about) when it comes to stuff she is not comfortable with. I am breaking her of the "sugar coating" (more like "completely changing") stories and events and hiding the bad ones, a habit she had programmed into her by everyone around her that she is definitely improving at in record time, but she still has problems with explaining anything other than "her way".

I'll have to get the pics to post tonight if I can figure it out...i think we captured something, I'd love to get expert opinions. She took a shot outside where the flash didn't go off, and it looks like there is an entity there. I also captured a sphere and some light thing in shots I took when they saw something move from the vortex grove to my car...