*ALL* Religion should die!

[StarDust]

Whisky,

Your pseudo psychoanalytic responses are always good for a laugh or two. There is no ego here, as you put it, as I am fundamentally neutral on the topic. I didn't grow up with any form of indoctrination. I was wisely given the choice by my mother to pursue any direction once I saw fit to do so. I see religion as being useful to some people's lives and worthless to others. Since I don't have any skin in the game one way or another, I personally couldn't care less what happens to religion over time although I don't see it withstanding the true test of time.

Once the veil is lifted, it will become crystal clear how organized religion has been used to control people. Once revealed, it will be the choice of the individual to determine if they wish to remain in the illusion or to move beyond it.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

I may have missed it, but has anyone here actually defined what they mean by "religion"?

I have done this on several threads. We seem to have this conversation every four months or so. It does not seem to accomplish much. It is fashionable to denounce all religion based on experiences and perceptions of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. All religion is this. All religion is that. George Carlin said it so it must be true. Foolishness.

I propose that there is a difference between religion itself and religious institutions. Institutions are inherently political and have agendas. They are composed of people and so subject, as all human constructs, to corruption. There is, even so, a wealth of wisdom embodied in every religion that I have studied. These are treasures. Guidelines and pathways for those that need and desire them. Not for you? That's fine, but some people do find them useful and who are we to decide for them which path to take?

"There are many paths up the Mountain, but the view of the moon from the top is the same." -Ancient Japanese Proverb

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
As Marx once said, "religion is the opiate of the masses". Good luck getting the addicts to kick that habit while in 3rd Density

Marx was an idiot.

Marx did not have a problem with being the peoples messiah either so as far as him saying religion is the opiate for the masses, he became quite a big dealer himself and did quite well for a good while, he was defenitely one of the homies of his day and ****ed up a few continents, just like religion did, does, and will keep doing for as long as they can get away with it.

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[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey folks,

In my humble opinion, as an agnostic, I think all religions do is packing beliefs as truths.

The fact is that nobody actually knows who created us (if someone actually intentionally created us), why we were created, if this supposed creator actually cares about us at all, etc...

We just don´t know anything significative about the complexity of the universe and creation.

Religions are purely speculative; nothing more than that.

Personally, I can live quite well with the idea that I don´t know a lot of things.

For those who can´t live with the "I don´t know" idea, just pick a religion and then pretend to know the answers; It´s ok if it makes one feel better, really, as long as he doesn´t try to shove his religious "truths" down my throat.

Cheers,

Raf.

Some religions actually espouse that you explore an idea and decide what is true and what is false for yourself based on your own experience and insight. Also, not all religions are concerned with creation myths or whether or not a divine entity exists. Oh, and not all religions are interested in shoving their beliefs down your throat, either. Many teach that whatever you believe is fine. Again, I make the point that if we are going to make blanket statements about all religions, we should know first what we are talking about.

"Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings, that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide."
-Buddha

[pie'n'eal]

Why stop at religion?

[Beren]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey folks,

In my humble opinion, as an agnostic, I think all religions do is packing beliefs as truths.

The fact is that nobody actually knows who created us (if someone actually intentionally created us), why we were created, if this supposed creator actually cares about us at all, etc...

We just don´t know anything significative about the complexity of the universe and creation.

Religions are purely speculative; nothing more than that.

Personally, I can live quite well with the idea that I don´t know a lot of things.

For those who can´t live with the "I don´t know" idea, just pick a religion and then pretend to know the answers; It´s ok if it makes one feel better, really, as long as he doesn´t try to shove his religious "truths" down my throat.

Cheers,

Raf.

Some religions actually espouse that you explore an idea and decide what is true and what is false for yourself based on your own experience and insight. Also, not all religions are concerned with creation myths or whether or not a divine entity exists. Oh, and not all religions are interested in shoving their beliefs down your throat, either. Many teach that whatever you believe is fine. Again, I make the point that if we are going to make blanket statements about all religions, we should know first what we are talking about.

"Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings, that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide."
-Buddha

Or " test every spirit " -Bible.
So we can know from which stand point it comes- fear or love.

[Krullenjongen]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Why stop at religion?

Wow, provocative question!
But you are right to question where this would lead to (if that was your intention)
Because you can't kill religion without getting rid of the religious people.....

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by Krullenjongen (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Why stop at religion?

Wow, provocative question!
But you are right to question where this would lead to (if that was your intention)
Because you can't kill religion without getting rid of the religious people.....

If we gave up clinging to 'things' we'd be happier. We the humans are the problem, we make a religion out of anything. Even going down the pub, you have to lean on the bar a certain way, drink several pints, do not sip-swallow, wee a lot, scratch under-carriage, and pontificate about everything.

But this does depend on the individuals. Even in eastern monasteries there are those that study and practice esoteric teachings, those that chant and do the rituals, those that organise and those that sweep up.

It all depends on what one wants and can cope with....sweeping is the best!

[Feren]

Do you know what really bothers me? All that 'should', 'must' and 'know' bull****. You (me, everyone) know nothing, have no ultimate truth about nothing and have no right to tell anyone about their basic values. You can tell me that 4+4 equals 8, because I don't own mathematics. But you can't tell anyone about right and wrong without the basis of their agreement.
I'm not saying "reallity is subjective", which would be absolutely passionate or stupid, but I'm saying that ALL PERCEPTION IS SUBJECTIVE, and that's a basic value, not only a belief like "4+4=8".
Sorry if I sound rude, it's just a thought.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

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[kreagle]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by watchZEITGEISTnow (here)
That's right - it is a lie, a con. A control system.

Jesus lived in my belief. Jesus was a cool cat, and who knows what really happened there? One thing is for sure Jesus was wholly (npi) opposed to religion.

You have been conned. There are some nice parts in scripts - some very wise and loving teachings. That is where it ends. It has been outdated for so long, and has caused just about every war invented (or by proxy) - and it needs to end!

Believe in what you want - go for it, just don't tell me your belief is any better than Freds, or Sally's. If someone pushes the agenda of recruiting for religion, they should be exposed.

Common ground is what I believe can bridge the gap - love, no war, and world peace for example. I guess I'm still trying how to deal with a blatant brainwashed blind follower that wants to inch their way in because they believe they are doing a god's work.

Avalon should be 100% against religions. Avalon should be 100% for spirituality.

*off soap box* (for a few minutes anyway)

Your post displays a tremendous ignorance.

If Jesus was so opposed to religion, why did he tell Peter that he would found his church upon him?

There have been many wars fought over the Abrahamic religions. That only covers 54% of the worlds religious believers. When was the last Buddhist, Taoist, or Hindu Crusade? I don't remember the great Shinto war. You are lumping all religions into your very narrow experience.

Most religions do not espouse to be better than others and are not evangelical. Again, it sounds like you are speaking only of Abrahamic monotheism.

Avalon should be 100% against ignorance

Whiskey_Mystic,

Avalon should be 100% against ignorance

I concur with you, completely, my friend. Furthermore, I would like to believe, and do, that "most" Avalonians, here, feel the same way also!

Just because one has failed to "properly study and rightly divide", the Word of God,....it does not mean that "all" religion is faulty and unreliable. I, too, have readily recognized that there is a tremendous amount of "religious bunk" out there,.....but that, in no way, has,......(or is).....going to hinder me from pursuing and obtaining the "true religion" that is still available, even today!

"Religion" can be defined as either being,.....acceptable to God,.....OR.....unacceptable to God.


example......


James 1:26-27
King James Version (KJV)

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Unaccepted Religion- in verse 26,... we see that because of the "deceitfulness of man's own heart,....there will be "proceedings",..."ideas",....that will be emitted from him that will be "unacceptable to God",....hence a "vain religion"!


Accepted Religion- in verse 27,....this passage defines for us the role,...and the requirements, one must be willing to obey, in order for his "religion", (pure and undefiled), to be "acceptable to God".


Now, with this "line of thinking",....(directly from the Word of God),....how intelligent would it be to,....now.....destroy, or kill,......*ALL* Religion?,......., including the "acceptable to God" portion?


Even I, kreagle,...(to the surprise of many),...do "not" have a desire to "take matters in my own hand",.....and kill, or, eliminate,......the "unaccepted religion"!! (note: "As bad as I despise some of the "complete garbage" that is offered today in the name of "religion",.....I am convinced that it is the "will of God" to,....."leave it all alone",....."good and bad"! I genuinely believe that "this",.....("religion" as it is),.....is another "mechanism", specifically placed by God,....in an effort to "give us all a choice",......and to find our where "our heart" really is!)


Choose wisely, my fellow Avalonians,......your servant,.....kreagle

[Cartomancer]

I believe that the reference point for most of if not all modern religion is the mystery schools. As such all of the concepts are meant to be metaphorical and interpreted by each individual based on what they have learned and know. Its up to you to dig in and make of it what you will. Its there as a kind of vision quest that you identify with.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
[Some religions actually espouse that you explore an idea and decide what is true and what is false for yourself based on your own experience and insight. Also, not all religions are concerned with creation myths or whether or not a divine entity exists. Oh, and not all religions are interested in shoving their beliefs down your throat, either. Many teach that whatever you believe is fine. Again, I make the point that if we are going to make blanket statements about all religions, we should know first what we are talking about.

I]

No not all are interested in shoving their beliefs down your throat, but certainly most... and those who say you must explore and decide for yourself often have an attidude of self righteous superiority.

[taurad]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
As Marx once said, "religion is the opiate of the masses". Good luck getting the addicts to kick that habit while in 3rd Density

Marx was an idiot.

with all due respect for u, this claim of yours' pretty naive, probably un uneducated guess...

Marx was all BUT an idiot

check Marx and Satan, for a start

cheers friend