Marshall Vian Summers' message vs. Alex Collier's

[Camilo]

I have hard time swallowing Summer's messages.

[Alien Ramone]

Posted by Camilo (here)
I have hard time swallowing Summer's messages.

When one claims to be relaying a message from aliens, that point alone can be hard to swallow, but the actual message makes sense to me and has changed my view some on how humankind should proceed. His point that the human race collectively needs more discernment dealing with alien groups to keep from coming under their control makes sense to me. Whether one believes in the message or not, I think it's good to be aware of it and have in the back of the mind as a possible valid perspective in thinking about how we should proceed.

[wobbegong]

Posted by Alien Ramone (here)

Posted by Camilo (here)
I have hard time swallowing Summer's messages.

When one claims to be relaying a message from aliens, that point alone can be hard to swallow, but the actual message makes sense to me and has changed my view some on how humankind should proceed. His point that the human race collectively needs more discernment dealing with alien groups to keep from coming under their control makes sense to me. Whether one believes in the message or not, I think it's good to be aware of it and have in the back of the mind as a possible valid perspective in thinking about how we should proceed.

Thanks A.Ramone for this good thread.
At first I too, like Camilo, found it hard to swallow, but for some reason I went on and read all of Marshall's books and found them life changing. Nothing like it; he really makes sense but even though I found him to be a very remarkable person, I would find it hard to believe that so much wisdom came from one man...I mean, nearly 10 thousand pages with no contradictions, no false predictions...that's another thing, nowadays we're hearing "channelers" or gurus either explain their false predictions or avoid the whole issue...anyway, I hope more people delve into that material.

[wavydome]

Posted by Alien Ramone (here)

Posted by wavydome (here)

(i have to wonder! why would not some sort of behavioral data be traded?)

.....snips........

Summers stressed the biological value of humans, which others such as Atticus and Collier have talked about. Animal DNA, plant DNA, and Earth human DNA compatibility with many alien species is probably valuable for genetic engineering uses.

I would think that behavioral data as you mentioned and other data would be valuable. Based on Summer's point that alien groups have discretion about the existence of Earth, I would think the data would be limited to groups that already know about the presence of Earth and Earth humans.

Other threads here and there cover similar 'reporting' (from ETs, channels, etc...) Years of hearing many suggested possibilities about this.... Has me wondering:

Galactic commerce might not value bulky materialism. Humans are so stuck on materiality. We can't even tie our own shoes, to reboot our dead calculations of life. So that is why i look beyond materialism. Spiritualism is one of the few human avenues which have looked beyond materialism. So i have searched around this area. Opened available doors, daring to be naive. For as long as needed to see what could be seen. Then moving along for note worthy values, like an explorer does. Not getting stuck with useless baggage claims. Leading further to wonder:

The value of genetics, to highly advanced races, would possibly be in the 'code' values and outcomes, (during and after evolution down here). Besides the codes, some sort of 'harvest' of the 'experience' values which humans generate during lifetimes. Even perhaps something like the metaphor of humans "taking a ride at the fair or zoo".... Advanced aliens might commodify a 'ride' of a human lifetime (and export something of that).... Extraordinary things can sometimes surprise us. So i leave no stone unturned here.

After all what gift can we give to someone who has absolutely everything? (Which money could buy)..... To this recipient, one can give only something which is very personal....

Advanced aliens indeed can manufacture materiality very easily and got bored with that. Resulting in the re-evaluation of priorities-- Making personable qualities more interesting and valuable. DNA codes likewise are some sort of storehouse of ancestral experience, but more generalized.

ANother form of valuable code may likely be discoverable 'pattern'. In the sense that atoms or molecules can happen to arrange in specific patterns. Implying that the same molecule or atom or isotope might be called xyy-molecule or xyx-element or xyx-isotope.... However, due to a specific arrangement of these at the material level, completely new properties result... The export here, is again, sort of a code of the arrangement or pattern. Or perhaps the method or process to achieve this. More than "intellectual property" it is experiential property.

These are exports of further discovery, additional discovery of nature. Opening comments of Summer say "....no one has been able to overcome nature..." Which can also possibly mean there might be a value in surprises of nature. Surprises found in exotic species like humans endowed with the curious spiritual nature. The very nature which reacts with very unpredictable outcomes. Ripe for discovery of unsurmountable nature. Is this not a valuable commodity? WOuld not predatory business-aliaens seek to profiteer? While more advanced aliens suppress such spoilage, all at the same time?

May we live in exiting times

[Realeyes]

I have just read this thread that brings up a whole host of debates and questions especially on the issue whether there is ‘anyone’ or ‘anything’ we can actually ‘trust’? Here is my ponderings on this subject.

IF Quantum Mechanics is ‘true’ and that consciousness and energy ‘cannot’ be destroyed and is also multidimensional - then what IF such E.T.’s are ‘Self’ contacting a version of ‘Self’ that is having an incarnation here on Earth?

What if these E.T.’s are our Future Self?

What IF future self is meeting present self to assist present self who has gotten into a pickle? IF this is so, would there be a need for such protocols, distrust, debates etc – or would we just instantly recognised energetically with absolute knowingness this is a meeting with SELF?

We either except at some point there is Oneness of Beingness – or are all our versions of BEing to remain separated for Eternity?

This may be read as mad ramblings and that’s okay – I just wanted to add this to the cooking pot of discussion.

For me the journey is about going within, like others have already mentioned. Everything external is just a reflection of what is held within.

[David Trd1]

This is a declaration that i agree with completely that i took from being introduced from MVS from above interview when it came out.

http://www.humansovereignty.org/

And this is a nugget that i found through alex collierwhich is now one of his more famous qoutes

''The pain that you carry,is the love you with-hold''.

A lot of channeled and contactee material is dubious at the very least and I`m sure there are many points to mull over in regards to,predictions,implications of one viewpoint against the other.But there is value to all and we must start to understand and accept that piece`s of our tapestry and truth are collected in the space where these things meet and then we understand,that place is us and we can go forward all the more empowered.

A Self empowered conciousness with humility and understanding.This is a position of strength

Ride the tightrope,sip the poison tea,learn and move on with love.

[Arrowwind]

Considering our world situation, and our overall ability to communicate, negotiate, make alliance and war, we would be better off without aliens here. We cant even deal with ourselves, never mind a foreign species, whether advanced or not.

I would say these aliens would have to be much more advanced than us spiritually and much more intelligent to not make a greater mess of things here. God knows, we've made a great enough mess on our own.

And if these aliens did come who would they be talking with, the corrupt United Naitons? The Soviet Union? The USA and the likes of our military industrial complex figure headed by Obama but controlled by a multitued of black box operations? as well as the Rockafellars and Bilderburgs?

The whole thing would just be a mess... and in light of this it is no wonder that aliens have not been keen on making direct political and media involved contact. Surely if they wanted to they would have by now.

[sirdipswitch]

If they come in ships, do not trust them. I need no ship to travel, and interact with beings on other worlds, across the universe, why should they.

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[Alien Ramone]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
I have just read this thread that brings up a whole host of debates and questions especially on the issue whether there is ‘anyone’ or ‘anything’ we can actually ‘trust’? Here is my ponderings on this subject.

IF Quantum Mechanics is ‘true’ and that consciousness and energy ‘cannot’ be destroyed and is also multidimensional - then what IF such E.T.’s are ‘Self’ contacting a version of ‘Self’ that is having an incarnation here on Earth?

What if these E.T.’s are our Future Self?

What IF future self is meeting present self to assist present self who has gotten into a pickle? IF this is so, would there be a need for such protocols, distrust, debates etc – or would we just instantly recognised energetically with absolute knowingness this is a meeting with SELF?

We either except at some point there is Oneness of Beingness – or are all our versions of BEing to remain separated for Eternity?

This may be read as mad ramblings and that’s okay – I just wanted to add this to the cooking pot of discussion.

For me the journey is about going within, like others have already mentioned. Everything external is just a reflection of what is held within.

Although I do like the idea of everything being tied together as parts of an overall consciousness which may come back together some day, I do tend to focus more on the "What is going on?" aspect of it all and on how to proceed to solve current problems. Also, the way we respond to the current situation may be related to our advancement toward more awareness and our reconnection with a greater consciousness. At this point the mistrust might be a healthy thing. If the groups were really tied to us and trying to help us, I think that would probably show through.

[Alien Ramone]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Considering our world situation, and our overall ability to communicate, negotiate, make alliance and war, we would be better off without aliens here. We cant even deal with ourselves, never mind a foreign species, whether advanced or not.

I would say these aliens would have to be much more advanced than us spiritually and much more intelligent to not make a greater mess of things here. God knows, we've made a great enough mess on our own.

And if these aliens did come who would they be talking with, the corrupt United Naitons? The Soviet Union? The USA and the likes of our military industrial complex figure headed by Obama but controlled by a multitued of black box operations? as well as the Rockafellars and Bilderburgs?

The whole thing would just be a mess... and in light of this it is no wonder that aliens have not been keen on making direct political and media involved contact. Surely if they wanted to they would have by now.

It is thought by many that aliens already have made contact with governments, forged treaties, influenced governments to create the mess that we now have. Some say that Eisenhower made a deal with the Large Nosed Greys to get technology for the U.S. while those aliens got underground bases and permission to abduct citizens. The solution that Summer's relayed is that we need to collectively be better at discerning what is going on, if we are going to be involved with alien groups. From my own point of view, once enough people become discerning enough the governments will begin to change through the will of the people and groups such as the Bilderberg Group will lose their influence. Summers makes the point that we need to be self sufficient, so that we won't need to trade with alien nations or ask for their help. Summers talks about unity which I think would be important, because all nations would need to be unified against alien influence for it to be resisted. He also talks about discretion, which means that Earth humans would need to avoid letting our presence be known beyond the groups which already know of us, so that we don't attract the interest of new groups which might want to intervene.

Many insiders say that aliens haven't disclosed themselves to the world, because there are rules against it. The intervention by the Greys is said to have been allowed because the United States government signed off on agreements with them. My guess is that if the U.S. hadn't made deals, other nations such as China or Russia would have to gain greater technology than the U.S., so it was and still is a difficult situation. Getting enough unity and discernment will be difficult, but it starts with all of us individually.

[Abductee S]

I have found Summers' message is very well in keeping with what I'm seeing in the world news and my own country. He says that conflict between nations will be encouraged by ET and that our misuse and overuse of our resources will as well be encouraged. He says ET is helping us drive ourselves into such a state of need and confusion, that we will ask them to save us. If we get to that point. We are done. Everything we have accomplished will be lost and everything that our children will have ahead of them as free peoples will be lost. We are either saving the future people here or are setting up the circumstances for their enslavement. Choose wisely.

[Ultima Thule]

Go figure which one is more correct Alex or Marshall. One thing with Marshall does make sense to me - in a nutshell if you are an outsider who want´s to crash a party but have agreed to respect the organizers of the party to choose their guests by their free will, wouldn´t it be tempting to manipulate the party organizers to invite you? Manipulate them into free willing you there?

UT

[rmauersr]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
If they come in ships, do not trust them. I need no ship to travel, and interact with beings on other worlds, across the universe, why should they.

love and peace
sirdipswitch

Very interesting point you make sirdipswitch. I had not thought of that before. Any being that is sufficiently evolved to help this fear based dysfunctional place would not need a ship, they would just materialize and teach IMHO.

Great observation!

[ghostrider]

I get the whole prison planet thing nowdays. I get it. I can't imagine our world leaders going into the cosmos to other planet/peoples and doing what they do. yukkkk !

[raweya]

I love this... "if they come in ships..." one of the things I found most intriguing is that if the aliens were as advanced as they say they are they would no longer need to be in the physical. It is my opinion that they are physical beings operating in a physical universe and are governed by the same laws of nature...

I watched the video, too. I think Marshall is right on.

They need resources just like we do. It is my understanding that races from beyond have much greater ability in the mental environment - that is - they have the ability to influence thought and perception.

Corporations use marketing and advertising to do the same. I think the alien presence is a major marketing strategy that seems to be working. But I also think we have the capacity to develop in this arena...

I have heard that the real battle will be played out in the mental environment, not with weapons, etc. And that we collectively need to let them know we don't want them here.

[raweya]

I also think its "we the people" the average person that needs to start moving on our own behalf and maintain our sovereignty. We can't wait for disclosure or our governments to do this for us.

[Demeisen]

There sure is lot's of difference between Alex C. and Marshall V.S. message. I have not followed much of Marshall's information, but the little that I have has been quite depressing and dark. It sounds almost like all the civilizations are fumbling in the darkness trying to get any advantage they can in a hostile and lethal environment. Marshall's scenario represents 3D universe to me, where pursuing materialistic needs and power over others is more appropriate than spiritual needs. All the same crap that we have here already. Do we need it?
On the other hand Alex Colliers message comes from 5D beings who are definitely more spiritually orientated. And Earth is supposed to be evolving into higher dimensions. I'm sill having difficulties connecting the dots. If Earth will go higher than 3d, how this 3d universe that Marshall represents will be related to us? I suppose Marshall doesn't support the ascension idea? Personally, I appreciate all the different ideas but Marshall's message has been very difficult to my digestion

[wavydome]

Posted by raweya (here)
.........
I have heard that the real battle will be played out in the mental environment, not with weapons, etc. And that we collectively need to let them know we don't want them here.

Yes, in a way yes. In his books, Marshall's repeated context is
"greater community knowledge"
"greater community spirituality"
I found none of these publications or broadcasts to be 'sectarian' or favoring dogmatic-religions. This is an important feature for me to deeply study spiritual publications.

Marshalls' key contexts might well be found in the world 'knowledge'. He does not mean 3d data... Rather it is a deeper, integral pre-3d knowledge in time-track terms-- Or might be called "Above-The-Dimensionality" spiritual-knowledge. Or realize that this 'D' metaphor refers more to lower galactic and planetary living. Sure this might sound disparaging until one appreciates that Marshall's primary message goes way beyond materiality. If one is patient to read between and beyond the physical English language. If one will entertain the notion that their are boundless depths of knowledge, within one's own being.

'Knowledge' is to be realized as timeless and inherent. Once we can grasp security in this, then we can look at the galactic-politics and trade-federations. Here is where we risk our human heritage and human future. Here is what we must prepare for: We must address and prepare for the "greater community knowledge" of our galaxy and solar system-- If humanity fails to "reunite with this greater knowledge", then these vicious competitors will come in to sell our souls to the Drakos or Verdants or STSs or whom-ever.... To some extent, this has already begun-- Except that there is still a far stronger impetus for reclamation in the 11th hour. Here we are, the eleventh hour is striking.

This is the paraphrased message i have been acquiring in the past few weeks, of non stop reading.... (Catchup on older books-- The newer books seem to be mostly on paper only).

I have been listening to a mellifluous reading of "read to me mp3 files" of Marshall's ebooks. http://www.newknowledgelibrary.org/e-books/ (I need to keep my hand on hand-labor-work commitments here and love ebooks converted to mp3 for portable listening.)

The good news is here and has always been here. We need new courage in the face of calamity, to simply inspire "greater community spirituality". Except we can't use words or platitudes alone. We have to stimulate preparation for inevitable alien contact-- Contact which might be like false prophets or 3d-videos in the sky, or crafty aliens who continually deceive wordly-politicians & governments into false trade agreements... The demise will only be in peoples continued 'support' for politicians selling our souls. Plain and simply, the masses need graceful wakening to this end, one person at a time-- Delivered with graceful-effectiveness. Hard but sweet, tough love but stimulating love, presentation with a flare or some kind. Marshall's verbiage is much more penetrating, better than my street-language version. But we all have to use our language, much as it already is. By reading Marshall's books, one can orient their own cultural-beingness and thus reach the people within their circles.

Humanity has to shed off the consumer-desease of big-box, shop until you drop mentality. We need to stop paving paradise and putting up those parking lots.... It does sound impossible, in a way. But it really is truly possible-- If people continue to look around themselves-- To find actual, living examples in every land. Of people pushing past the barriers and thereby manifesting freedom from "the materialist system". Also meaning, pushing past materialist-religions. People who have indeed "gotten away from materialism under any disguise". Especially people who can ride the wave of changes sweeping our planet. People who can ride out the waves of fear and propaganda.

OK, enough of my heavy paraphrasing and personalized interpretation... Concerning Marshall's older books-- I look forward to the newer publications/ revelations, as opportunity may allow me. I simply encourage people to read Marshall Summers' low cost books unless they can sit with paper books and afford his other publications. Then their is also the school links.... Plenty of opportunity there with no excuses. Please look further into Marshall's links and publications.

[astrid]

I was not familiar with this work until this thread, so thanks OP for the introduction..

Have spent the last few days reading and watching, to get a sense of this "material"
Sure there is a " know thyself" core message, which is of course vital to do for all of us,
but something for me was a bit "off" here.

To me it had the energy of being "charmed" its all too "smooth", but just my sense of it,
energetically.
I must say its getting harder and harder to trust anything, that is "channeled", well for me anyways.
Its my higher self only these days as far as I'm concerned.

[wynderer]

Hi Demeisen -- i had posted some thoughts similar to yours below in Exomatrix' thread re 'If Aliens analyzed Humans...' , re the difference between 3D ETs/EDs & 5D -- this 3D Universe/dimension seems to be highly polarized, w/compassion/empathy in short supply

thanks to Wavydome for his thoughtful exposition of Marshall VS' work, esp this:

'The good news is here and has always been here. We need new courage in the face of calamity, to simply inspire "greater community spirituality". Except we can't use words or platitudes alone. We have to stimulate preparation for inevitable alien contact-- Contact which might be like false prophets or 3d-videos in the sky, or crafty aliens who continually deceive wordly-politicians & governments into false trade agreements... The demise will only be in peoples continued 'support' for politicians selling our souls. Plain and simply, the masses need graceful wakening to this end, one person at a time-- Delivered with graceful-effectiveness. Hard but sweet, tough love but stimulating love, presentation with a flare or some kind.'

i visited Marshall's Greater Community Sanctuary when i lived in Boulder, once when he was speaking, & once when a recording of one of the Allies was played -- i am very skeptical , & often highly critical, but i felt that he is for real -- there was some fine good energy in his modest GCS

this is actually something that Alec C & Marshall have in common [as i just learned thanks to Wavy] -- both say that true 'disclosure' will happen/is happening at an individual/grassroots level --

wyn

Posted by Demeisen (here)
There sure is lot's of difference between Alex C. and Marshall V.S. message. I have not followed much of Marshall's information, but the little that I have has been quite depressing and dark. It sounds almost like all the civilizations are fumbling in the darkness trying to get any advantage they can in a hostile and lethal environment. Marshall's scenario represents 3D universe to me, where pursuing materialistic needs and power over others is more appropriate than spiritual needs. All the same crap that we have here already. Do we need it?
On the other hand Alex Colliers message comes from 5D beings who are definitely more spiritually orientated. And Earth is supposed to be evolving into higher dimensions. I'm sill having difficulties connecting the dots. If Earth will go higher than 3d, how this 3d universe that Marshall represents will be related to us? I suppose Marshall doesn't support the ascension idea? Personally, I appreciate all the different ideas but Marshall's message has been very difficult to my digestion