Mass Shooting in Aurora, Colorado, 7/20/2012

[jackovesk]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Thankyou for your civility

lookbeyond


I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree. I shall not be posting on this subject again.

Let me first say that I mean to say this with the utmost respect for you and your point of view.

This is a big deal and it is healthy to feel emotional about the loss of life and the vicious nature of the shooting, but I think some people might be feeling disproportionately emotional about this particular incident because of the media hype.

You can always tell there is a political agenda behind an event by the way it is covered in the media imo. Of course the agenda imo is to get the American public up in arms about implementing stricter gun control laws.

Ok, that being said, think about how many civilians have died in drone strikes carried out by the US military this year or even today. Maybe more than 12. Maybe 20. I wonder how many people have died of starvation today. The exact number doesn't matter for the point I am trying to make but do you see where I'm going with this? The people of the world have much bigger fish to fry than gun control in the United States, no?

Some Good Points there AlternativeInfoJunkie...

Unfortunately, I would have blurted out a response like this...

Lookbeyond don't you (GET IT)...

That's (EXACTLY) the response the Globalist MSM are after...

I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree.

They (WANT) you to feel the (FEAR) they want you to feel (POWERLESS) they want you to feel (OMG) what can I do, its all too much - Its so Horrible...

Most feel this way when they 1st start to Awaken, but after a while (without losing sight of ones Empathy towads their fellow Humans) we start to look alot Deeper into the 'Cause & Effect' on who the perp was (was he Mind Controlled..?) who 'Really' was responsible..? etc...

So 'Toughen UP' and get back on your 'Free Humanity Bike' and help us defeat the CROOKS...

Diplomacy & Controlled Speech are obviously not one of my strengths...

Just by 'Telling it How it Is or How I see It' you can see how I often get myself into trouble...

So 'Welcome' to Avalon - Its great to have you on board - We've all been through the tough times on our own 'Journey of Awakening'...

But, we've (Hung in there)...

...and

NEVER QUIT...

Rgs,

Jack

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Glenn Beck is pushing a new free energy invention, never made it through the intro... but plan on when I have some free time...
..

link?

I'd be interested to look at that. Google doesn't come up with much

that is weird, I just went back for the email with the link, and it's gone, but looks like an email replaced it with a Gas Generator, too strange, I'll see if I can reopen it tomorrow...

[truth4me]

Posted by Mandala (here)

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!

Well,the elite love to rage war or who ever controls them loves war. The average person IMHO just wants to live their life in peace. I don't want to kill anyone.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I think what is hurting most is we wish we could have stopped it some way or some how...

we take it very personal, that's why terrorists can terrify us...

was this a Brilliant mind needing psychological help?

for those of us at Avalon, that is much harder to swallow, than he was a zombie under mind control...

to see someone's psych break down that far, is beyond us...

could it have been stopped if 3 letter agencies let the warnings out to the public in time?

[161803398]

You don't even need brainwashing to get this result. People are very suggestible anyway. If you have a society that is promoting violence in movies and television its going to have an effect. For some people the effect will be to kill.

[jackovesk]

Is this 'Life imitating Art' yet (AGAIN)..!?

Ever seen this before...



Yes, we now have a Denver Gas Mask Wearing - 'Baby Killer' & now a 'Gun Grab' just as the NWO has planned...

...and Don't Forget the 'Body Scanners' now being proposed in all Shopping Centres & Cinema's...

PS - This important video report is just a small sampling of on-the-record cases where government staged shootings and other bloody acts to pose as heroes, take freedoms, and launch wars...

Proof Gov Stages Mass Shootings: Batman Massacre Decoded

Jul 21, 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sabePxK07Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sabeP...layer_embedded

[Ellisa]

Make of it what you will--- here is a list of the death rates from gun killings in various countries over the past few years, as published by wikipedia.

Death rate per 100,000---

Top of the list is South Africa.
10 is the US with 10.27
12 is Switzerland with 6.4..
Australia is 33 with 2.94 deaths..
The UK is 0.46 deaths.
Chile comes in with the least amount of deaths at 0.06 per 100,000.

I have quoted this because somewhere a person posted Switzerland as being a country with guns and low death rates. This simply is not true. Switzerland is high on the table only 9 places behind the US in a list of 50! When reading the list it is impossible not to understand that the top half have lax gun laws and the bottom half have gun control. It simply isn't hard to understand. If guns (and other weapons) are easy to get and to stockpile some will use them to hurt others. It is impossible to deny this. To 'protect' someone you would have to fire the gun to harm someone else.

[TargeT]

Numbers are FUN!

Ellisa, are DOCTORS legal in your country ??

deaths 2007......................Nationwide.............. ..Florida
Firearms.......................................... 613...............16
Medical care adverse effects.............2,248...............108

US statistical fun:

These STATS are based upon data from the FBI, the DOJ, and other government and antigun groups. Health stats are reported by various federal agencies. These data can be found in the World Almanac.

One is 18 times more likely to die at the hands of a negligent doctor than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 2.43 times more likely to die of AIDS than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 1.25 times more likely to die of a fall than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 7.9 times more likely to die of pneumonia than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 72.8 times more likely to die of heart disease than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 1.28 times more likely to drown, burn, or die ingesting food than to be killed by a handgun.

shall we continue or do we think that perhaps this topic is being blown out of proportion for "other reasons" ??

[Cartomancer]

DOCUMENTS SAY TERRORISM WARNING IN THEATERS ON MAY 17! This video says the FBI issued a warning for terrorist attacks in theaters that was issued on May 17th.

This video from Dutchsinse:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aVMfYR8to

[lwing]

I smell a PSYOP. I dunno, firearms in your home or car seem fine with me, but I'd still rather not take one out in public in most circumstances personally. If a theater wants to have private security check points that's fine, but please don't make it mandatory.

[Sir Eltor]

Recipe ( cure ) : for the sheeple
2 - toothpicks ( eyelids )
1 - chair
1 - restraining device ( rope ...)
x - amount of Avaolon forums = enough truth

*** for those failing to awake... another day in the chair = tough love
*** repeat as necassary

[jackovesk]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
Make of it what you will--- here is a list of the death rates from gun killings in various countries over the past few years, as published by wikipedia.

Death rate per 100,000---

Top of the list is South Africa.
10 is the US with 10.27
12 is Switzerland with 6.4..
Australia is 33 with 2.94 deaths..
The UK is 0.46 deaths.
Chile comes in with the least amount of deaths at 0.06 per 100,000.

I have quoted this because somewhere a person posted Switzerland as being a country with guns and low death rates. This simply is not true. Switzerland is high on the table only 9 places behind the US in a list of 50! When reading the list it is impossible not to understand that the top half have lax gun laws and the bottom half have gun control. It simply isn't hard to understand. If guns (and other weapons) are easy to get and to stockpile some will use them to hurt others. It is impossible to deny this. To 'protect' someone you would have to fire the gun to harm someone else.

Push Shove - Push Shove...& more Push Shove - Push Shove...

Ya still don't (Get It..?) Do Ya Ellissa...

Especially coming from those of you who wish to pay 'NO ATTENTION' to the (FACTS), from those who so 'PAINSTAKINGLY' go out of their way to educate others as to What the (CORE-PROBLEM) is...

It really (MAKES ME QUESTION...???) if there is some kind of 'Alterior-Motive' going on here that the rest of us are'nt privy too...

PS - I am sure you'll come back with some kind of (TACIT) response...

...by all means please (Do So...)

But Please, just Please read through the (ENTIRE THREAD) before you do, in order to see some of your fellow members well researched points that have been brought forth in this debate...

PSS - We have never had a 2nd Amendment in Australia, and if you don't understand Why it was included in the US Constitution by the 'Founding Fathers' how can you possibly justify your argument..?

[Leon]

Sad this has happened,
but as in the past turning in weapons will not stop this sort of thing happening... it's sad but true...
people will find other ways, and this sort of thing is not happening as much as it used to...
Where I live it's really peacefull, yet nearly every house has a military weapon... the weapon is not the problem it's to do with social pressures and mentality...
As for Aussie coments, blinded...
Is Aussieland safe??? for who?
they tried to get rid of the weapons, oh yea bought back 620000 did the crime rate change? no
over 7000000 guns have disapeared in Aust. banning, tighting laws just drives those who want them underground.. it doesn't work..

this event should never have happened.

[Fred Steeves]

Has anyone else noticed that reporting of "the shooter" having lived in the apartment for only two weeks has suddenly vanished? From what I've seen anyway, prior to the detonations in the apartment it was commonplace to hear, I even posted about it.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...759#post524759

After the detonations yesterday, it's all about the booby traps. I'm pretty good at wording things in varying ways to track down information on Google, and so is my wife. We can find absolutely nothing about him having lived there for only 2 weeks. Odd that.

We may still be in that magic window of time after an incident where some of the real facts are getting out there, but it's likely closing fast. If there is a We Are Change Colorado, wouldn't you just love to hear some polite, but REAL questions at one of these eye glazing press conferences? Like: "What kind of time and training would a full time Neuroscience student need, to set booby traps that baffle the F.B.I.'s best bomb experts?"

[9eagle9]

The obvious (to some) is that owning a gun is not going to stave off the ptb. When the PTB stick fluoride in water, drop bombs, send SWAT teams and riot control mobs, a hand gun in the hands of the individual is not going to do any good. A army of individuals with guns like an informal or vigilante miltia is not going to do much when the ptb has masses of folks who have access to most extreme forms of death technology that can be had.

Not to say that people shouldn't have guns. If someone had a weapon and stood up to take that man out a lot of lives couldn't have been saved. I'm all for the right to bear arms but it is not the final solution. A gun does little against anti gun laws. One has nothing to do with the other. A gun is a poor means of defense when its laying in a drawer at home. A person who carries a gun but abides by gun laws is basically an asshole playing at being a warrior. If there is a metal detector or a gun check in any institution you are more than likely entering a construct of the ptb , and one may ask themselves why they are there in the first place. Courts, Airports, malls where their corporate lackies are collecting from us....ask yourself why you are there. There is always a means of detecting weaponry at the installations of the ptb, not to preserve others, but to preserve the ptb.

However.....Psychological war fare is not solved by a gun. It is very effective for the low level minions that a PTB generated culture and system has loosed on us whose programming is manifested in a bestial physical way. That can be dealt with on an individual basis.One can have enough balls to say "I'm going to be the buck stops here person". That takes self authority and self responsibility and a certain amount of self value. Why should I , a relatively decent person die, just to allow some creep to continue their miscreant behavior. If I take that person out how many other people can they victimize? If we continue to treat the bad guy as our brother what is that saying about us, personally. That we have very low self value. That we would preserve the life of one bad guy even at the risk of dozens of good guys.

So if the bad guy leaps out of the shadows at you, then a gun is perfectly acceptable tool to bring him down before he brings you down. That's physical defense, it has nothing to do with the psychological war fare that we are inundated with daily. It's a bi-product of psychological warfare not the actual war fare itself.

A gun is a tool. You can do the same thing with a sling shot, a knife, a hardball wrapped in a sock, I have driven off a mugger with a frozen chicken more effectively than if I had a gun. I can't have that back fire on me as there is no law stating that I can't carry a frozen chicken. The means to defend one's self to someone who is 'appears' to be more powerful or powerfully armed is psychological in nature. The kid from Home Alone 1 should have clued us in on that. I have prevented intruders coming into my home just by allowing them to hear the slide action of a weapon. The bathroom window slides up and open, lock and load, a brief pause, and the bathroom window comes down again because I've psychologically thwarted my would be intruder who perhaps understood if they came through that bathroom window the muzzle of shotgun would be staring him in the face. Alas they didn't understand the weapon wasn't loaded.

Know your enemy. No one does though.

Like a gun those weapons are not going to do any good towards the technology the ptb uses. It's not the guns or the arms that are important. It's not even an issue at the level where this is most critical. You have to have some intestinal fortitude to handle a weapon. People who do not want to have the means defend themselves regardless it if is a gun or frozen chicken have succumbed to the psychological war fare.

I personally have not locked my doors in years because one undertakes the psychological means of self defense by understanding this is psychological warfare I have protected myself, pre-emptively from intruders. Not creating those circumstances, if I am not guilty there is no need to defend myself. And the only intruders I have are those who I somehow managed to invite in myself but in that case I can dis-invite them.

It's not a matter of knowing HOW to defend always, its a matter of knowing its okay to do that. The core value in those who find defending themselves distasteful is they lack self value. So replace that lack of self value by syrupy sentiments of how saintly they are by not dirtying themselves with weaponry.

Carrying a gun doesn't make one a warrior anymore than not carrying one makes a person a saint.

A gun does very little towards the psychological war fare that people refuse to defend themselves against. That doesn't make them a warrior, or a saint, or a hero either.

Most of one's weaponry should be in their head.

[9eagle9]

This really isn't about WANTING to kill someone. Most people who are not stupid gun owners are not slavering at the mouth to kill someone one. Gun owners roughly fall into two categories. Premeditated and not premeditated. Gang activity is filled with pre-meditators. The common household with a hand gun for self defense is not premeditated 'wanting' to kill.

If one is attacked the mind doesn't even have time to kick into the emotional body to say "Oh gee, I WANT to kill that person". It the human instinct to survive that kicks in, reflex. We KNOW that our instincts to preserve ourselves are being eroded through psychological warfare stealing our SELF and attached self value.

The average person who wants to live in peace doesn't understand this isn't a peaceful world, peace is created by another means entirely. People don't even understand what peace is.

People who kill intruders on a psychological / energetic/ and etheric level understand this much better than those who are compromised on a psychological/energetic/and etheric level because that is where it starts.

Posted by truth4me (here)

Posted by Mandala (here)

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!

Well,the elite love to rage war or who ever controls them loves war. The average person IMHO just wants to live their life in peace. I don't want to kill anyone.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The obvious (to some) is that owning a gun is not going to stave off the ptb. When the PTB stick fluoride in water, drop bombs, send SWAT teams and riot control mobs, a hand gun in the hands of the individual is not going to do any good. A army of individuals with guns like an informal or vigilante miltia is not going to do much when the ptb has masses of folks who have access to most extreme formsof death technology that can be had.

Not to say that people shouldn't have guns. If someone had a weapon and stood up to take that man out a lot of lives couldn't have been saved. I'm all for the right to bear arms but it is not the final solution. A gun does little against anti gun laws. One has nothing to do with the other. A gun is a poor means of defense when its laying in a drawer at home. A person who carries a gun but abides by gun laws is basically an asshole playing at being a warrior. If there is a metal detector or a gun check in any institution you are more than likely entering a construct of the ptb , and one may ask themselves why they are there in the first place. Courts, Airports, malls where their corporate lackies are collecting from us....ask yourself why you are there. There is always a means of detecting weaponry at the installations of the ptb, not to preserve others, but to preserve the ptb.

However.....Psychological war fare is not solved by a gun. It is very effective for the low level minions that a PTB generated culture and system has loosed on us whose programming is manifested in a bestial physical way. That can be dealt with on an individual basis.One can have enough balls to say "I'm going to be the buck stops here person". That takes self authority and self responsibility and a certain amount of self value. Why should I , a relatively decent person die, just to allow some creep to continue their miscreant behavior. If I take that person out how many other people can they victimize? If we continue to treat the bad guy as our brother what is that saying about us, personally. That we have very low self value. That we would preserve the life of one bad guy even at the risk of dozens of good guys.

So if the bad guy leaps out of the shadows at you, then a gun is perfectly acceptable tool to bring him down before he brings you down. That's physical defense, it has nothing to do with the psychological war fare that we are inundated with daily. It's a bi-product of psychological warfare not the actual war fare itself.

A gun is a tool. You can do the same thing with a sling shot, a knife, a hardball wrapped in a sock, I have driven off a mugger with a frozen chicken more effectively than if I had a gun. I can't have that back fire on me as there is no law stating that I can't carry a frozen chicken. The means to defend one's self to someone who is 'appears' to be more powerful or powerfully armed is psychological in nature. The kid from Home Alone 1 should have clued us in on that. I have prevented intruders coming into my home just by allowing them to hear the slide action of a weapon. The bathroom window slides up and open, lock and load, a brief pause, and the bathroom window comes down again because I've psychologically thwarted my would be intruder who perhaps understood if they came through that bathroom window the muzzle of shotgun would be staring him in the face. Alas they didn't understand the weapon wasn't loaded.

Know your enemy. No one does though.

Like a gun those weapons are not going to do any good towards the technology the ptb uses. It's not the guns or the arms that are important. It's not even an issue at the level where this is most critical. You have to have some intestinal fortitude to handle a weapon. People who do not want to have the means defend themselves regardless it if is a gun or frozen chicken have succumbed to the psychological war fare.

I personally have not locked my doors in years because one undertakes the psychological means of self defense by understanding this is psychological warfare I have protected myself, pre-emptively from intruders. Not creating those circumstances, if I am not guilty there is no need to defend myself. And the only intruders I have are those who I somehow managed to invite in myself but in that case I can dis-invite them.

It's not a matter of knowing HOW to defend always, its a matter of knowing its okay to do that. The core value in those who find defending themselves distasteful is they lack self value. So replace that lack of self value by syrupy sentiments of how saintly they are by not dirtying themselves with weaponry.

Carrying a gun doesn't make one a warrior anymore than not carrying one makes a person a saint.

A gun does very little towards the psychological war fare that people refuse to defend themselves against. That doesn't make them a warrior, or a saint, or a hero either.

Most of one's weaponry should be in their head.

Disagree. A culture that encourages gun ownership also encourages the authoritarian ptb to keep their distance. I believe that mass gun ownership in the U.S. is the exact reason why the ptb feel like they HAVE to resort to psychological warfare as opposed to knocking on our doors and sending us to fema camps. Gun ownership is a great deterrent but of course we have to stay vigilant in other ways as well.

I guess kicking down our doors would be a more accurate description of what they would do given the chance. If guns aren't going to do us any good then why is the ptb trying so hard to convince us we shouldn't have them?

[9eagle9]

No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?

[Peace4all]

Although I'm not a pro-gun person, what on earth do you think making stricter gun laws is going to do?
Certain drugs are illegal but they are pretty damn easy to get if you want them.
Laws are put in place to control people... not to save people.
Stricter gun laws isn't going to save anybody's life... those who wish to have one and use it for harm will still be able to do so.
Guns are so widely distributed and mass produced they aren't going away anytime soon unfortunately.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?

My point was, though, that it forced them use more covert means of control. We will not accept open tyranny but we will accept hidden tyranny given enough propaganda and brain washing which I agree, is a huge problem as well.

Guns are not an all encompassing solution to our struggle to fight off tyranny but they certainly help imo.

PS:
You bring up some great points 9eagle9. Thought provoking stuff.