Mass Shooting in Aurora, Colorado, 7/20/2012

[gripreaper]

There are approximately 80 million households in the United State who own guns. This is the only obstacle between freedom and full global tyranny.

There is no way some 24 year old broke college student is running around with tear gas, full gas mask, and 20 thousand dollars worth of fully automatic gear, unless he was funded and supported by a black ops agenda.

I feel sorry for those who want to use this incident to disarm America.

[lookbeyond]

Iam very happy to live in a country that does not have laws which permit such atrocities to be almost common place- due to easy access to firearms.I cried when i read the news this morning- for the teenage girl lying on the floor alive- not yet dead who made eye contact with an adult who ran past not daring to stop in fear for own life.I dont know about you TargeT but i have a teenage daughter and i do not know what the future will bring but the less exposure a society has to firearms the safer IMO

[Tarka the Duck]

@ TargeT wrote:

.... an armed society is a polite society.

???????????? Mmmmm...Travelled much around the world have you?

For the rest of us, politeness is based in respect for other human beings, not fear that they are carrying a weapon.

In a loving society, guns are not needed.
In a spiritual society, one's weapon is compassion.

This tragic event is desperately saddening. And this thread is saddening too.

[TargeT]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Iam very happy to live in a country that does not have laws which permit such atrocities to be almost common place- due to easy access to firearms.I cried when i read the news this morning- for the teenage girl lying on the floor alive- not yet dead who made eye contact with an adult who ran past not daring to stop in fear for own life.I dont know about you TargeT but i have a teenage daughter and i do not know what the future will bring but the less exposure a society has to firearms the safer IMO

I too have a daughter, and see it as my job to protect her until she can protect herself

All your country has done is create large pools of victims, a clear and present example of a failure to learn from history & a blind ignorance to the realities of.... reality.

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
@ TargeT wrote:

.... an armed society is a polite society.

???????????? Mmmmm...Travelled much around the world have you?

For the rest of us, politeness is based in respect for other human beings, not fear that they are carrying a weapon.

In a loving society, guns are not needed.
In a spiritual society, one's weapon is compassion.

This tragic event is desperately saddening. And this thread is saddening too.

I have traveled quite a bit; even to your little rock on the ocean.

if we were in a loving society, or a spiritual one I'd completely agree with you, even if you ignore everything on this forum and even this very thread you are posting in you cannot say that this is the case.

We live in reality, I live near 1,500lb predators that hunt solo, and near 100lb predators that hunt in packs; not to mention the two legged variety that can get a little rowdy from time to time.

Why would I deny myself a tool in the HOPES that everyone will do the same ?

[Tarka the Duck]

Thank you for the reply, TargeT

I was addressing one of your statements that struck me as outlandish. Being armed = being polite. Ain't necessarily so.

[Ellisa]

TargeT--- All I can say is that it must be really dreadful to live in such fear all the time. I'm glad we have the sort of sane gun laws that mean I would not have the foggiest idea where to buy a gun. We have no gunshops in my large (400,00) town and we do not miss them.

[lookbeyond]

TargeT-if i may say so your name says it all ,our country rarely experiences such atrocities as those of your neck of the wood, which sadly occur regularly. As for protecting your daughter , unless you are with her on guard 24/7 she is obviously more at risk in a gun carrying society than not ,as is obvious by the reports of gun related deaths in your country.

[Paul]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
TargeT-if i may say so your name says it all ,our country rarely experiences such atrocities as those of your neck of the wood, which sadly occur regularly.

As others have noted, it isn't the gun toting citizen that's causing these problems. It's the mind controlling bastards in power. They are causing problems in many areas in the world, by various means and diversions, for various reasons. Here in the USA, one reason is to disarm us. Other reasons include weakening our health, our communities, our schools, and our families.

[lookbeyond]

Interesting- yet we do not experience regular massacres

[TargeT]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
TargeT--- All I can say is that it must be really dreadful to live in such fear all the time. I'm glad we have the sort of sane gun laws that mean I would not have the foggiest idea where to buy a gun. We have no gunshops in my large (400,00) town and we do not miss them.

There is no fear at all, ever.... haha

I live in one of the MOST PRO gun states and after being shocked (personaly, myself, while at a Tea party rally) at seeing a gun open carried in public I helped found the 2nd amendment task force for my local area & got really active in gun rights for about a year, and got a lot more active as this is one of the KEY things that makes the US, the US... our 2nd amendment is all that stands between me and a tyrannic government even today.

So if you think the US is some sort of gun slinging western film you are very mistaken; gun owners are polite private individuals that understand they are being responsible for themselves and their family with their decision.

"an armed society is a polite society" has many meanings, mostly this: You live in a country of easy victims, everyone you walk past is probably unarmed; if you all of a sudden become "more armed" (advantaged, placed above the rest in ability / capability) humans are prone to take advantage of this.. when this is NOT the case, these type of "assholes" are polite because they know they are not in a position to "bully" or "strong arm" or "rob" etc.. because you are no longer a victim but a person capable of defending themselfs. (I'm probably not explaining this the best, but hopefully you get the idea).

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
TargeT-if i may say so your name says it all ,our country rarely experiences such atrocities as those of your neck of the wood, which sadly occur regularly. As for protecting your daughter , unless you are with her on guard 24/7 she is obviously more at risk in a gun carrying society than not ,as is obvious by the reports of gun related deaths in your country.

Your country has 22 million people, mine has 330million; if this were to happen in your country at the same scale something like 1 person would have died and 5.5 would have been injured.... Remember to keep things in perspective

I don't know why you people are so afraid of guns, I never even think about them, never have I been afraid of being shot (in this country) and I guarantee there are more guns in my neighborhood alone than you've probably seen in your life (given the tone of your posts).


Remember, we are talking about giving "GOOD GUYS" guns, not "BAD GUYS" you are talking about TAKING AWAY guns from "good guys" (and we all know that bad guys don't follow those laws anyway.....)

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Interesting- yet we do not experience regular massacres

your country is very small... ours is MUCH larger and we don't regularly experience massacres; the last one we had was in 2009 and involved a MILITARY individual (which you have nothing to compare to, our military dwarfs all others and causes its own "issues" so this event is almost irrelevant)

[lookbeyond]

Thankyou for your civility

lookbeyond


I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree. I shall not be posting on this subject again.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
There are approximately 80 million households in the United State who own guns. This is the only obstacle between freedom and full global tyranny.

There is no way some 24 year old broke college student is running around with tear gas, full gas mask, and 20 thousand dollars worth of fully automatic gear, unless he was funded and supported by a black ops agenda.

I feel sorry for those who want to use this incident to disarm America.

Personally................ i think student loans and buying that gear are the most probable cause that left him broke....... being top of class in neuropsychology does not say a damn thing about this guy...... except maybe he was trying to figure out what was wrong with him without seeing a therapist......... anywho......... nobody in his/her right mind would go out and start shooting people for no reason.... i think the psy op theme is a bit hastily used here.

The gun ban law connection is pretty interesting though.

I am not against guns at all, what i do think smells pretty fishy is this remark................ an armed society is an polite society.....??????? WTF?
I you are not capable of being polite without guns............ i seriously question your state of mind in the first place.

So, i am for self defence when needed.. even with a gun if running is not an option, or you are done running and want to be done with it......... if threathened with a gun it would piss me off so bad i would probably want to shoot the asshole on the spot for putting me through such an experience in the first place and make very sure he never does that again to me or anybody else for that matter ( its kinda rude to stick a gun in someones face, no matter what the circumstances eh).

What i do LIKE about the US, is the fact people are/were allowed to be armed to prevent hostile takeover by gouvernment and you would have the right to defend yourself against any enemy foreign or domestic who threathened your live, nobody has the right to take away your right, since that would not be rights at all if they could be taken away.

Well here my point goes............. down the drain...... rights are been taken away and self defense is out of the window, go figure... those ptw have to go and they will...........sad they want to drag as many souls possible with them on their way out.

[D-Day]

To those advocating strict[er] gun control laws, here are a few historical facts for you to ponder....

• In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, w ere rounded up and exterminated.
  
• Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

So, do we really wanna to take a chance and allow history to repeat itself?... again?!

The fact is, gun control doesn't work!

Criminals don't care about gun laws!

All gun control does is make victims out of people who can no longer defend themselves.

In neighborhoods/towns where people know there is a loaded gun for protection in the house, there are few home invasions/robberies.

Take Switzerland as an example...

IN SWITZERLAND THEY ISSUE EVERY HOUSEHOLD WITH A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE TO.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

To finish up, the following video, filmed in Australia shortly after their clandestine gun control laws were introduced, speaks volumes IMO '...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA

[enfoldedblue]

Hi, I'm sorry to stray away from the topic a bit, but I am curious about the whole pro gun thing. Whenever I hear the pro gun people talking there seems to be the idea that somehow having a population with guns will protect the state becoming corrupt (lol...sorry ) . Of course over a hundred years ago (when the law was created) this argument might have been viable, but today when we consider just the weapons that we 'officially' know TPTB have at their disposal, the guns that are available for purchase by the average person would be virtually useless against their advanced technology. Imagine the people trying to fight tanks and drones etc with their 'legal' weapons....it would be a very sad affair indeed. It seems to me that the right to bear arms is something that today would be encouraged by TPTB because they know that they are essentially useless against them...but very handy for getting the sheeple to kill one another.

So I guess while I understand the spirit in which the law was created, today it would seem obsolete. To me the key is people comming together peacefully. I think they have the violence route pretty well mastered, there is little chance of beating them at that game....but when it comes to love that is right out of their comfort zone...maybe even the achilles heel.

The guy who killed these people was either a victim of MK Ultra, sent in to raise the frequency of fear, or a victim of the system driven mad by the level of fear experienced in his life. Either way, I personally cannot see more guns as any sort of long term viable solution to this problem.


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Hey I just want to add here that it is very interesting to see, from an objective perspective how well we have all been influenced (brainwashed) by our natioanl rhetoric. Yes....I am Canadian (living in Australia for 15 yrs)...and I do find it really hard to understand the whole gun thing. Please know I am not saying one is right or one is wrong...just interesting to look at.

[markpierre]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
TargeT--- All I can say is that it must be really dreadful to live in such fear all the time. I'm glad we have the sort of sane gun laws that mean I would not have the foggiest idea where to buy a gun. We have no gunshops in my large (400,00) town and we do not miss them.

Control legislation doesn't deny arms to the factions of people who misuse them. It doesn't and won't affect illegal gun sales. That's only meant to control the factions that might have a legitimate use for them.
Gun control is strict in Australia, but you can't go a week without a new murder. People cut each others heads off for christsake. It's like a new fad.
That's here in any small town.
I shudder to think what it might be like for you if/when the lawlessness that is the value system of our leaders becomes your own everyday experience.
No one is immune from atrocity by virtue of their values.
You might even wish you had a gun. Or you might wake up a little quicker.

[TargeT]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
Hi, I'm sorry to stray away from the topic a bit, but I am curious about the whole pro gun thing. Whenever I hear the pro gun people talking there seems to be the idea that somehow having a population with guns will protect the state becoming corrupt (lol...sorry ) . Of course over a hundred years ago (when the law was created) this argument might have been viable,

We have an anti-gun control constitutional amendment, not a "gun control law"; its the complete opposite actually.

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
but today when we consider just the weapons that we 'officially' know TPTB have at their disposal, the guns that are available for purchase by the average person would be virtually useless against their advanced technology. Imagine the people trying to fight tanks and drones etc with their 'legal' weapons....it would be a very sad affair indeed. It seems to me that the right to bear arms is something that today would be encouraged by TPTB because they know that they are essentially useless against them...but very handy for getting the sheeple to kill one another.

Well everything about "war" always comes down to infantry, tree to tree, door to door grunts on the ground with rifles; yeah body armor is pretty good, but not invulnerable. I think you're a bit too fantastical about how things go down in general.. but resistance is resistance, and its a lot more effective than going "whats the point, they win anyway". I'm not ready for that attitude.

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
So I guess while I understand the spirit in which the law was created, today it would seem obsolete.

I respectfully disagree with all of this statement.

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
To me the key is people comming together peacefully. I think they have the violence route pretty well mastered, there is little chance of beating them at that game....but when it comes to love that is right out of their comfort zone...maybe even the achilles heel.

The guy who killed these people was either a victim of MK Ultra, sent in to raise the frequency of fear, or a victim of the system driven mad by the level of fear experienced in his life. Either way, I personally cannot see more guns as any sort of long term viable solution to this problem.

You know what people said at the interviews after the theater shooting?

Everything was under control when the cops got there, everything was safe...

well what do cops do when they show up ? they bring GUNS, so everything was "safe" when the guns showed up... there were zero guns in good guys hands, and some in a bad guys hands, I don't see how it doesn't make sense that if someone were present there and able to stop this individual (I would have, he wouldn't have gotten more than 1-3 shots off, body armor doesn't make you invincible either, a few well placed shots will put you on the ground then disarming is easy)

I guess it comes down to fundamental differences in perception, culture & pre determined idea's on topics....

[Maunagarjana]

If guns are the only thing keeping us from tyranny, then I wonder why people aren't using their guns already? The tyranny arrived long ago, and yet I don't see any firefights with tyrants. You know why? Because it's just a bunch of bluster that people tell each other to make themselves feel better. No, don't reply to me to argue with me about it. Go fight some tyranny.

[Fred Steeves]

Anyone here think that guns are the only way to terrorize a population? Here's a few I came up with that would work very well indeed:

Speeding cars purposely mowing down dozens after sports events.

Molotov Cocktails tossed in crowded shopping malls.

Cutting down power line poles with a chainsaw.

Start tossing 50 pound boxes of roofing nails out onto busy interstate highways. For that fact, one could drive around at night, and toss hand fulls of them onto front yards, sandy beaches, playgrounds, etc.

Rat poison laced dog treats generously passed out at various dog parks.

Swimming pool acid sprayed into eyes on a subway.

Well I could go on, as I have quite a vivid imagination. In the mean time, it seems we all might sleep a little sounder tonight, if we could just get rid of the following: Cars, gasoline, roofing nails, rat poison and pool supplies. Of course no pool supplies would mean no pools, but public safety trumps all.

[modwiz]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
If guns are the only thing keeping us from tyranny, then I wonder why people aren't using their guns already? The tyranny arrived long ago, and yet I don't see any firefights with tyrants. You know why? Because it's just a bunch of bluster that people tell each other to make themselves feel better. No, don't reply to me to argue with me about it. Go fight some tyranny.

The use of guns often requires killing someone. Unless one is put into a position of defending themselves or loved ones, they usually will not take it upon themselves to go out and kill someone. Even someone who needs killing. (to quote John Wesley Harding). Only psychopaths can just go out and kill people. The US citizenry have proved that they are not the killer apes that science would have us believe lurk withing all of our breasts. That is just more lies the psychopathic elite use to hide amongst us. The lie that we are all alike in murderous intent. The whole survival of the fittest bull.

For now, we have a "mexican standoff". The elite know that awakening the instinct of defense is when things will go very poorly for them. They intimidate but stay a step away from outright threat. A nuanced stance they are well aware of.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Anyone here think that guns are the only way to terrorize a population? Here's a few I came up with that would work very well indeed:

Speeding cars purposely mowing down dozens after sports events.

Molotov Cocktails tossed in crowded shopping malls.

Cutting down power line poles with a chainsaw.

Start tossing 50 pound boxes of roofing nails out onto busy interstate highways. For that fact, one could drive around at night, and toss hand fulls of them onto front yards, sandy beaches, playgrounds, etc.

Rat poison laced dog treats generously passed out at various dog parks.

Swimming pool acid sprayed into eyes on a subway.

Well I could go on, as I have quite a vivid imagination. In the mean time, it seems we all might sleep a little sounder tonight, if we could just get rid of the following: Cars, gasoline, roofing nails, rat poison and pool supplies. Of course no pool supplies would mean no pools, but public safety trumps all.

Medication, drugs, food additives, bad tv, poor education, crappy water, ban on vitamines, ban on raw products, privately owned prisons and then some more weapons of mass terror and destruction.