Mass Shooting in Aurora, Colorado, 7/20/2012

[shadowstalker]

Posted by lizfrench (here)
Hi, I am a new member, thank you for having me. The information here at Avalon is very useful and pertinent. To add a two cents regarding the Colorado "locality". There is another important happening (if you will) 250 miles or so from Denver in Pagosa Springs; it will be the Abicor Center, where, according to Mark Kimmel and others, will be where star civilizations and celestials will come and go to interact with humans in the near future, sort of a training center to help us raise our vibrational frequencies so that we can interact with others in the universe. It does seem that the Coloradao area denotes a metaphysical or psychic threshold somewhat like areas in England.

Welcome to Avalon

Thank you for the info I will do some research on that thank you.

[norman]

I've just heard ( on the BBC ) that FBI people have done a 'controlled explosion' at the guy's appartment now.

That's an odd decision to have made. No matter how hard it would have been to defuse any devices there, it would make more sense if they'd done all they could to preserve the contents of the appartment for analysis.

An explosion will have destroyed everything.

Handy, that.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Thankyou for your civility

lookbeyond


I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree. I shall not be posting on this subject again.

Let me first say that I mean to say this with the utmost respect for you and your point of view.

This is a big deal and it is healthy to feel emotional about the loss of life and the vicious nature of the shooting, but I think some people might be feeling disproportionately emotional about this particular incident because of the media hype.

You can always tell there is a political agenda behind an event by the way it is covered in the media imo. Of course the agenda imo is to get the American public up in arms about implementing stricter gun control laws.

Ok, that being said, think about how many civilians have died in drone strikes carried out by the US military this year or even today. Maybe more than 12. Maybe 20. I wonder how many people have died of starvation today. The exact number doesn't matter for the point I am trying to make but do you see where I'm going with this? The people of the world have much bigger fish to fry than gun control in the United States, no?

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Look at statistics on most common causes of unnatural death and that will give you a good idea of what we should be focusing on instead of gun control IMO.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by norman (here)
I've just heard ( on the BBC ) that FBI people have done a 'controlled explosion' at the guy's appartment now.

That's an odd decision to have made. No matter how hard it would have been to defuse any devices there, it would make more sense if they'd done all they could to preserve the contents of the appartment for analysis.

An explosion will have destroyed everything.

Handy, that.

Make that several controlled explosions Norman, and that goes right along with what I was speculating on just a while ago. This right now, is the window of opportunity to notice odd things before they get buried and go bye bye. As of just last night, it was all about saving the evidence in the apartment, however long that might take. Suddenly today, boom boom boom, and it's all over folks. Great job guys, nothing more to see here.

Anyway, reel me in off the crazy tree if ya'll think I need it, but I'm thinking our boy in custody didn't actually do the shooting, and it certainly was not him who booby trapped that place to the level of baffling bomb experts.

I'm thinking the kid was a mind controlled patsy. Made to believe he had done all these things, dressed the exact same as the shooter in the theater, and then put out of a car to approach the cops, with the order to go down guns blazing. Case closed.

I'm also thinking that those sophisticated booby traps were destined to go off, killing and maiming untold numbers of cops. Can you say America is now under direct threat from domestic terrorism?

So o.k., here's what I'm speculating went wrong. The kid may truly believe that he did all these things, but his programming unexpectadly broke down, just a bit, at the critical point of violence. Armed to the teeth, and wearing head to toe body armor, he peacefully surrendered. Also, he ratted himself out about the meticulously booby trapped apartment. IMHO, both of these are the acts of someone who has yet to cross that line of no return. They are certainly not the acts of someone who has just commited mass murder.

[Tangri]

Posted by D-DAY (here)
To those advocating strict[er] gun control laws, here are a few historical facts for you to ponder....

• In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

You forget to tell about Japaneses, in the USA and Canada during WW2. You are talking war times . 1915 was WW1 and Armenians were attacking their own citizens and support Russian army.
British, French, Italians did gun control even after war for Turkish citizens for4 years.
Please let the historians to discuss the history. History should not be written by winners or richest.

[Cartomancer]

Chok teshakeraderim

[Tangri]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
Chok teshakeraderim

Birsey degil

[Mandala]

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by taurad (here)
another PhD drop out classic case...

wait,

hang on a sec...

that doesn't make much "common" sense...

but again, as Victor Hugo said:

common sense is NOT that common!

cheers

That was from Voltaire not Hugo. "Le sens commun n'est pas si commun." And no, I'm not even a PhD dropout.....I am just a self taught googler. My dad used to say that quote a lot....the English version.

[TargeT]

Posted by Mandala (here)

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!

Sure sounds like everything I was taught in school ....

Reality however, is MUCH different.

We are NOT the ravaging evil beings you think we are, (or we have been taught we are).

Know what one of the BIGGEST problems in the Korean (Vietnam as well, though the training had changed by then a bit) war for the US ARMY was (so big that they re designed the core weapon system used by soldiers & the basic training they revived when first joining; a VERY rare event.)?

They found that only about 15% of the soldiers were "killers"; the rest would aim high, close their eyes or just yank the trigger back and point in the general direction of the "bad guys". In fact they even use "brainwashing" tech. now to change this, when I went through basic training we were put through sleep deprivation & would chant phrases, a Drill Sargent would yell " WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW?" and we were trained to answer "Blood, Blood makes the grass grow!" (watch FULL METAL JACKET for a very good example of this...)


This may shock you,, PEOPLE ARE OVERWHELMINGLY GOOD!

Read this for how FAR the military has to go to create "killers" (and even this is not very effective).
Hope on the battle field:
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/arti...e_battlefield/

[Harley Hawkins]

What Paul said:

Posted by Paul (here)
As others have noted, it isn't the gun toting citizen that's causing these problems. It's the mind controlling bastards in power. They are causing problems in many areas in the world, by various means and diversions, for various reasons. Here in the USA, one reason is to disarm us. Other reasons include weakening our health, our communities, our schools, and our families.

And what Jenci said:

Posted by Jenci (here)
Of course the msm reported a disturbed individual who carried out a crazed attack but for those who have been down the rabbit hole of investigation of this case may find that he was a manchurian candidate with dots connecting to scottish freemasons, paedophilia, child abuse, top level goverment ministers/Nato, internet child porn, whitewashed inquiry and government which felt it necessary to raise the time limit on the public having access to the files from 30 years to 100 years.

Was just watching a news vid. Re: the bombs in the apartment.

Cops said "They are of a level and sophistication that we've never seen before."

My question: Why would a college student go to all the trouble to learn all about bombs and IED's, buy the material and set it all up, go massacre a bunch of people, and then turn around and tell the arresting cop (actually he turned himself in peacefully) that there were bombs in his apartment?

This entire thing is made for the news media

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/21/us/col...ss_igoogle_cnn

This IS a False Flag

And although the gun control aspect of it may appear to be a major one, it is not. Driven by the media, it is only made to appear major to the public because it's such a highly charged issue and it's all the public can understand. In reality anytime something like this happens it ALWAYS causes the gun control advocates to rear their heads, so this is nothing new and actually was to be expected.

What a great way to keep everyone busy! While armed military are being moved in to take over the "security" of public events and mass gatherings, the Middle East is literally on the verge of blowing up, and who knows what else may be coming that they're not telling us, we'll all be busy arguing about gun control!

And I suppose that it is of no coincidence that this alert was released by the US Gov barely two days before the attack:

U.S. government issues another worldwide security caution

Large events or areas where tourists gather could be targeted for extremist attacks

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/travel/us-worldwide-caution

Hints and signs are ALWAYS provided before-hand, but hardly anyone ever notices or pays attention because they're always so busy with life's dramas that have been provided them. People love drama.

And to the ptb this is nothing but an amusing game.

[music]

This was a staged event, working to promote an agenda, so discussion about whether or not to control guns based on this is pointless. The media however loves to run with the pointless, so much milage will be had.

A gun is nothing more than yet another tool. A tool with one function only, to kill at a distance, so implicit in gun ownership is cowardice, even if only a reaction to the cowardice of others.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Holmes was a member of OWS Black Block. There were photos taken of him during the "protests" This smells, I believe this was a false flag to push the small arms treaty.

a protester from OWS?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hyK4YYEHI

interesting, the Philip Anshutz Neuroscience, where he went to school...

when I searched this was at the top

link

Philip Anschutz, of Anschutz Corporation

in Bed with Koch...

fracking, media and funding conservatives...

the more I look the scarier this gets...

very interesting, this needs a bit more research me thinks.....

Posted by ghostrider (here)
I ran the cs chamber for three years in the army all future cadets from vmi to west point came to the base and had to go through the chamber. It instantly burns the skin, blinds the eyes and causes runny nose and just plain burns every cell in your body , causes panic and makes you lose your sense of direction and makes you run . 3,000 cadets directly exposed and only one female cadet was completely un-affected. she gave her name rank and social and never showed one sign on the affects, I thought she was a dang alien or a robot. grown men reduced to two year olds in three seconds , this lady was iron and rock solid under pressure.... someone throws cs in a closed room , you will panic and run into walls.... it's a nasty chemical...

Yeah, I'm one of the sensitive ones; when my buddy stood there unfazed (we were doing ballistic streams of OC in the eyes, then running an course & defending ourselves from "detainees")

he's the only one I've ever seen & I was very envious (as I squinted at him through swollen eyes)

hearing the FBI sent a memo 2 months ago that a theater shooting was coming, makes me wonder how they didn't single this shooter out and have him under surveillance...

remember how Charles was looking for Green eyes, because they were easier to mentally manipulate...

the shooter had bright green eyes...

[Rozzy]

let me show you how effective very tight gun control in Canada is right now.


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews...21-110418.html

[D-Day]

Posted by Rozzy (here)
let me show you how effective very tight gun control in Canada is right now.


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews...21-110418.html

Interesting.

Well, here's the latest good news from Australia:

http://theconversation.edu.au/if-pol...ties-must-6594

Gun control laws were introduced in Australia in 1996 after the Port Arthur massacre [false flag event]. Since then, the implemented gun control laws have done virtually NOTHING to curb the rate of gun-related crime in our country.

That was the whole point of introducing those laws, yet they have proven to be utterley ineffective in helping to achieve that objective.

Ultimately, the only people adversely affected by the gun laws were those who used their guns responsibly, for legitimate purposes.

Now only the government and the criminal elements within our country (did I really need to separate them?) have access to guns.

How wonderfully reassuring for us.

[D-Day]

Nice to see you back here and posting again Harley

Posted by Harley Hawkins (here)
This IS a False Flag

Posted by Harley Hawkins (here)
What a great way to keep everyone busy! While armed military are being moved in to take over the "security" of public events and mass gatherings, the Middle East is literally on the verge of blowing up, and who knows what else may be coming that they're not telling us, we'll all be busy arguing about gun control!

My question to you: if "this IS a false flag" then what IS the purpose of the event?

What's the underlying agenda here?

What objective are they (TPTB) trying to achieve?

Do you truly believe this event was orchestrated solely to act as a means of misdirection/distraction from other world events taking place at the moment?

While I'm sure this event has indeed served that purpose, I personally have my doubts that it was the primary purpose of this event.

There's no doubt in my mind that disarming the American people has been high on the list of agenda items of TPTB for a very long time now.

IMO the only question for them has been around the timing and method of implementation for achieving that objective.

I think what we are seeing here with the Denver shootings could well be phase 1 of a multi-phased attack designed to garner public support for the implementation of strict gun control laws throughout America - to once and for all disarm the American public and remove the 'potential' threat they (the armed American public) represent for TPTB and their ongoing plan.

Since 9-11 and the Bush/Obama administrations the American people have been losing rights and freedoms hand over fist, one after another.... but I reckon you guys ain't seen nuthin' yet!

Just imagine how far they could go with all that if the threat of opposition from an armed American public was eliminated?

Don't want to wake the beast??... well then, why not just clip his claws and remove his fangs while he's still sleeping!

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a spate of mass shootings [false flags] in America in the short term. Just like 9-11 was used as a pretext to go to war in the middle east, the Denver shooting and any subsequent false flag mass shooting events can (and probably will) be used as a pretext for the disarmament of the American people.

Mark my words... I have a sneaking suspicion this is just the beginning.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)

Posted by D-DAY (here)
To those advocating strict[er] gun control laws, here are a few historical facts for you to ponder....

• In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
• Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

You forget to tell about Japaneses, in the USA and Canada during WW2. You are talking war times . 1915 was WW1 and Armenians were attacking their own citizens and support Russian army.
British, French, Italians did gun control even after war for Turkish citizens for4 years.
Please let the historians to discuss the history. History should not be written by winners or richest.

there are 300 Million guns in America, one for almost each and every one of us...

that is why seeing a psy-op of this Magnitude in the hands of one of Koch's friends... very bad indeed, first bath salts in the hands of chemtrail sprayers and now this...

water destroyed, air polluted and now filling airwaves with mind control signals...

we better get Anglo Saxon mission back to the forefront...

my signal was continuous 33s leading up to this terrible tragedy...

around here, that only means one thing...

where's Charles...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Harley Hawkins (here)
This IS a False Flag

And although the gun control aspect of it may appear to be a major one, it is not. Driven by the media, it is only made to appear major to the public because it's such a highly charged issue and it's all the public can understand. In reality anytime something like this happens it ALWAYS causes the gun control advocates to rear their heads, so this is nothing new and actually was to be expected.

What a great way to keep everyone busy! While armed military are being moved in to take over the "security" of public events and mass gatherings, the Middle East is literally on the verge of blowing up, and who knows what else may be coming that they're not telling us, we'll all be busy arguing about gun control!

And I suppose that it is of no coincidence that this alert was released by the US Gov barely two days before the attack:

U.S. government issues another worldwide security caution

Large events or areas where tourists gather could be targeted for extremist attacks

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/travel/us-worldwide-caution

Hints and signs are ALWAYS provided before-hand, but hardly anyone ever notices or pays attention because they're always so busy with life's dramas that have been provided them. People love drama.

And to the ptb this is nothing but an amusing game.

can someone point out where this info is posted, I'd like it for a stream for a topic like USGS does...

now I've heard May and July but no one heard about it until after the attack?

anyone see it on the Amber Alert Billboards?

how about the news, they blab about everything...

Glenn Beck is pushing a new free energy invention, never made it through the intro... but plan on when I have some free time...

that's one of the first time he is stepping out with something very anti Conservative...


now out of all of their sources, none of them heard anything?


this came on the New Moon, which by now we understand what that opens up in some people...

[TargeT]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Glenn Beck is pushing a new free energy invention, never made it through the intro... but plan on when I have some free time...
..

link?

I'd be interested to look at that. Google doesn't come up with much