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    Default New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Hello,

    I am going to present here some new evidence that was never published before.


    The evidence could be divided in the following points:

    a) Morphology of the ship, after the accident and positions of crew.
    b) The control pannels.
    c) Mechanical consistency of the accident and injuries.
    d) Correspondence of the 4 films (1-the autopsy, 2-in the hangar, and 3- the pieces and parts in the tent, 4 the aliens in the tent)
    e) Analysis of the hollywood production by thev Warner Brothers company released in 2006.

    a) Morphology of the ship, after the accident and positions of crew.

    The best reconstruction of the ship design, was made by William Louis McDonald http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/...d-william/5657
    Bill is a forensic illustrator, and a remarkable profesional. His great work was used to create a series of plastic kits made by Testors, at the 50th aniversary of the Roswell Crash.





    Two diferent models were created, one representing the accident, with the reproduction of the site:





    And the other it was a reconsruction of the ship in its orriginal state before the crash as seen in the following image:



    Note that the last image, shows a transparent cover, which only function is to show the interior. The original craft was made of a metalic alloy, as if it would be a single piece. No joints no diferent parts. One of the first persons entering the crashed craft, during the night before the army got to the site, reported that you could see through tthe metalic shield, and the scene outside was so bright that you could think it was daytime. In fact the metal was not really transparent, but it had a led screen skin that could show the exterior as it would be transparent. Unfortunately this changed when the ship used all the energy, and the instruments switched off. Later witnesses saw the empty opaque metalic interior.
    One interesting thing about the crash is the fact that the ship wass wrinkled like a cloth, and had a long hole in his left side. The metalic material had enough flexibility to deform but at the same time it exploded the side as if it would be glass, leaving sharp and irregular borders.
    Apparently the ship was full of some liquid, containing the crew. They didnīt need to breath so it was not a problem for them. The liquid was responsible for the hole in the side.

    Here you have a little experiment that shows what happens when a container full of liquid expodes in the oposite direction of a strike.

    Coming back to our ship, if you look carefully you will find that the hole was opened in the left side, back, while the crash point is in the front right. Does it makes sense., right?

    Now I invite you to visit the interior of the ship. In the following image you will see a detail of onee of the Testors plastic kits.





    In these two images it is possible to see the 7 seats. Let me remember you that this is not speculation, but it is based on witneses descriptions. The Seat at the back is the commander position, the two seats in the front and the two seats facing the commander are the lower rank crew, who were in charge of the technical operations. These four guys were the kind we can see in the autopsy. The commander was of a diferent kind. The other two seats facing each other were reserved for a midle rank couple. Each rank used a difrent body, theior bodies were like our uniforms. A higher rank uses a stronger body, and a lower rank a weaker body.
    Biological bodies like ours are at the lowest level. Apparetly certain caracteristics are sign of their rank, for instance the size of the eyes or the amount of fingers. The main diference between the commander and the lower rank creew was that the first used a syntetic body, and the last were using a hibryd body, in between biologiccal and syntetic structure.

    Our guy (the one in the autopsy) was probably seated in the front right seat.
    The wounds were produced in his/her right side, which could be consistent with the general crash angle.

    Here I would like to point certain things about their propulsion system. Accordingly to the Italian engineer, and member of the Amicizia group, Stefano Breccia, their ships works through spatial distortion. They can even extract energy from the distortion itself.
    As an evidence of the spatial distortion, yu can study George Adamskiīs famous pictures, and 8mm movie film, and you will find that the ship looks like morfing.
    Their secret is that they create their own spatial coordinate system, in which they become independent from the exterior spatial system. This explains the absence of any sign of movement when experiencing a trip in their ships. George Adamski described it very well.
    lHe notted a lack of acceleation or movement and a sense of solidness as if the ship would be resting on the ground. Later he explained that the pinciple was the same as the used by our planet. We are rotating at an incredible speed and at the same time the earth is in orbit arround the sun, which is moving n the galaxy, which is rotating in the universe, but we feel we are static!

    This is important to undertand the mechanic of the crash. The crew had no seatbelts because they didīt needed them! We should avoid any comparison with an accident in one of our vehicles that works in a diferent principle. The normal wounds in a car crash are due to the projection of the body towards the crash angle, as rresult of the given inertia. That is why we use seatbelts to avoid our head to get projected towards the glass screen, or the driving wheel.
    But their case is totally diferent. The best way I found to explain the mechanic of this crah is to think it as if the rock crashed into the ship and not the inverse. It sounds crazy I know, but it would give a close idea of what happened inside the ship at the moment of the crash, and it could explain that some of the members of the crew survived to such an accident.

    In the next video you will see one of the scout crafts similar to the onee crashed at roswell.



    In the following image you will see a modern reconstruction based in Billīs work, and modern photographs.

    http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4416/domaz.jpg


    And a modern picture that skeptics confound with a bird:

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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    b) The control pannels.

    Here you have a picture of the Control Pannels.



    These were the interface between the machine and the beings, who controled the ship by pure thoughts. Their fingers were the body terminals transmitting their thoughts to the machine.



    In the previous image you can see the broken control pannel, that we will study in deail.

    Here you have the video, of the 16mm film that was taken in a tent, in the crash site, where you will be able to see several artifacts and in between them the famous control pannels.



    The first thing we can note is that the hand "prints" have 6 fingers which matches the guy in the autopsy.
    The natural question would be where those pannels were installed?
    In previous reconstructions they were assumed to be in fron of the pilots as in our airplanes, being part of the front console. If you look carefully at the interior images of the ship, you will see the hand prints as part of a decal in the front pannel.
    But, does it makes sense? What would be the idea of a pannel separated from the ship, specially a ship that was made as a single piece of metal?
    Then if you look at the seats, you will notice they have arms, and the amazing thing is that they look as if they would be conected with the Control Pannels!
    Bingo! now the idea of a removable part makes sense, since that would be the only way to seat in one of their work stations.



    In the previous image you could see a possible way the Control Pannels would be attached to the armchairs, with the pilot seated. The guy in the center of the image, should be the same in the autopsy, and the camera that "took" that picture should be aligned with the crash angle, so you could imagine that the metalic skin of the ship, behind the camera would be projected towards our friend, hitting the closer parts: his/her right leg and hand.

    NOTE: the image was created before I knew the ocupants used diferent bodies, so it should be corected as follows: the two guys looking at each other, should be of a diferent kind. Probably bigger eyes and 4 fingers. The commander (not seen in the image) that should be seated in the back probably had bigger eyes and only 3 fingers.
    I could only speculate on their rank signs, perhaps more fingers means more related to the phisical universe, and bigger eyes and head could mean Advanced vision and understanding, but all this is just speculation.

    c) Mechanical consistency of the accident and injuries.

    Here we will study what happened to our pilot, or perhaps considering that the door of the ship was in the left side, I should call him co-pilot.
    In the next image, we can compare the broken control pannel (at the right, from a frame in the tent film) to the CGI of the interior of the ship, where we will analize the acting forces.



    The green arrows represents the outer skin of the ship being projected towards the interior. Remember our analogy of a rock hitting the ship, rather than the usual where the ship would hit the ground/rock.
    This would project the right arm of the chair against our co-pilot, pressing the control pannel in between both arms of the chair.
    As result of the presure the control pannel breaks, and it does in a breaking line marked in red, that is more or less perpendicular to the main force coming from the hitting ground.
    The green forces would hit directly his/her right leg as well, producing the main wounds.
    Now the Control pannel broken in two, projects to the only free available space, (see blue arrows) which is UP. The normal reaction of our co_pilot would be to rise his/her hads and by doing so, he/she would expose his/her wrist to the sharp edge of broken metal, rotating in front of his/her eyes, producing the wound that you can check in the autopsy.



    The other border of the broken Control Pannel would be projected down, which could explain partially the wounds in his thigh, although this is not that clear as the rest of the explanation.
    The other hipotesys for this wound is that it could have been produced by a fragment of the right arm, that could have been broken into pieces in the same way as the Control Pannel. It wouldnīt make sense that the control pannel would break in two pieces if the right arm wouldnīt.
    Anyway, as you could see, the reconstruction looks pretty possible, and there are no contradictions that I could find up to now.

    d) Correspondence of the 4 films

    There are 3 very well known films: 1-the autopsy, 2-in the hangar, and 3- the pieces and parts in the tent, and a not so known film: 4 the aliens in the tent.











    The last is not very well known because it was not shown in public, but in one of the first private projections that Ray Santilli organized. This last film, was not in good condition, which was probably the main reason it was not included in the public package. If you seach in the web, you will find some web sites on the Tent Footage, most of them discrediting its authenticity.
    http://www.outtahear.com/beyond_upda...20FOOTAGE.html


    In this image the face of the alien is clearly photoshoped.

    Some of the images in those sites seems deliberatedly edited, so they couldnīt be taken as evidence, but the interesting thinbg about the Tent Footage is that, it was seen by many professionals that thought it was authentic. Therefore if someone would be interested in discrediting the story, should include the Tent Footage in the discrediting package as well.
    Even though the 4 films or should i say the 3 films plus certain single frames of the 4th film, are consistent with each other.
    The autopsy film, and the film in the hangar are matching very well, because the alien is the same, you can recognize her/him, because of the wounds in the right side. The diference is that in the hangar it is dresed, and in the autopsy is of course nude. The protruding abdomen in the autopsy looks not so notorious in the hangar film, which makes sense since that would be a sign of decomposition of the body, and the autopsy would have been done later, giving more time to get worse. All the witneses explained that and unpleasant odor was coming from the bodies.
    The other film showing pices and parts in the tent that was mounted in the crash site, is consistent with the other two films, as well with the ship reconstruction and in the explanations of the mechanic of the crash.
    Too many things that fits perfectly, if it would be a fake.

    e) Analysis of the hollywood production by thev Warner Brothers company released in 2006.


    Finnaly I would like to show this film that seems to be orchestrated to discredit the full story.

    This is the trailer:


    Here a tipical article dicrediting Santilli (amazingly with his colaboration)
    http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/400...film-same-name

    The movie add (in german)


    Here you can see a clip (if you havenīt watched the movie, this will give you a close idea on the real nature of this hollywood production by the Warner Brothers Company



    Here you have a plastic body made by the artist Jon Humphries who was contracted to create the prop for the movie. Here you can visit his web site: http://www.john-humphreys.com/index.html And in this page it mentions the autopsy incident: http://www.john-humphreys.com/page18/page18.html




    Here you have a fake image of the autopsy, made for the film:

    I understand that this image, as well as other that could be found in the web could easily be confounded with the original film, but after so much time studying them I can detect the diferencies that let me separate the fakes by WB, almost automatically.

    The movie released in 2006 has a clear message on Santilli, and his friends.
    The narrative focuses on the blunders and improvisations, as well as the multiple errors by Santilli and his friends, that have not the slightest scruple in deceiving humanity for a few dollars.
    The improvised set is displayed while the characters eat in front of a disgusting spectacle, making it clear they do not even have good taste.
    It is very clear that they are a group of clumsy and unable fakers!
    And on and on...

    But after understaning the message, I wonder how such a group could create the 4 films to which nobody could find a single error?
    It is quite suggestive that all the artillery is focused on discrediting the people and not to prove the falsity of the material.

    well it is the same story ever! When you cannot prove your hipothesis just discredit your oponent!

    The fact that we have to look at is that the material couldnīt be discredited!
    How can this happen if it was filmed by a group of fools?
    How could this team of wallet thieves, be more succesfull that the Hollywood industrie?
    If you look in the web you will find lots of site dedicated to find mistakes in movies.
    This is just one of various examples: http://www.moviemistakes.com/best.php
    Even the most profesional movie maker team can do a mistake, it is very usual, and they are so difficult and expensive to avoid that they are released with those mistakes, after all they are just telling a story.
    So the question is: How this special group of poors could be More succesfull than the powerfull movie industries of hollywood with a huge budget?
    You aswer yourself!

    I have another question: is it possible to explain all the wounds and mechanical actions and reactions accordingly lots of diferent witneses and evidences in the films, and accrdingly to diferent authors who worked in diferent times, independently from each others, just by chance?

    Is it possible that all this was a joke, and all the pieces in the puzzle makes sense, although made by a group of fools in a dirty kitchen? Well in such a case it was a lucky group of fools!

    If you changed your mind, you will be able to find other opinions:
    For instance this article appeared in UFOCASEBOOK:
    http://ufocasebook.com/alienautopsyupdate.html
    Or you can read this one with other eyes:
    http://www.ufocasebook.com/cameramaninterview.html
    http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case809.htm

    It all depends on your viewpoint.

    The End

    Ernesto



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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Thankyou - fascinating stuff!!

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    We very much appreciate your invaluable time and effort my friend!!
    God bless ya socks ernesto

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    This was the first version of the model of the ship made at Testors under the directions of Bill McDonald

    Here you can see two diferent dioramas:

    http://themes43.blogspot.com.ar/2012...l-area-51.html

    http://www.stannarts.net/smb/scifi.aspx
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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Thanks a lot for sharing all this information.

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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    would be cool to have some facial recognition technology put to those first couple films to find out who these military guys were. and if we could contact them ( long shot ) or their fanily.
    :tape2:

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    great stuff !
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    Fantastic !

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    Hey ! first of all thanks for bring out this thread, the WB Alien autopsy movie is one of my favorite, so here are my questions.

    Didn't Ray Santilli and his friends admitted that they faked the autopsy videos Because of they messed up the original film brought back from America, but still they somehow recovery parts of the film like the movie told us, It's this real? Are you suggesting that Ray Santilli under certain threat so he has to told the public that the whole autopsy film just a hoax ?

    4 films all form Ray Santilli ?

    too bad the alien in the tent is not available in my country.
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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Thanks ernesto well presented...I have not read it all as i'm about to go out for the day ,but looks interresting ....

    Ray Santilli said that the original footage from his source had deteriated so badly that he recreated the autopcy
    from memmory as it was such an important story and he needed to get it out....
    Of course this led to his credibility being questioned and the whole project contaminated beyond repair...
    It was claimed as you have probably mentioned that there was a bit of genuine footage from the original
    film posted at the end of the Ant & Dck Movie....

    Ray Santilli alien footage examine



    Ray comments at the end of the clip are ambiguous...

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    Great 'Thread' ernesto & Welcome to Avalon...


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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Thank you all for such a warm reception!
    Referring to the words of Ray Santilli, we must remember that he changed in 2006.
    Before that date, he strongly defended the authenticity of the material, and after that date he was not so clear. I can only analyze the facts and the facts show a radical change in his position.
    The reasons for this change are explained in different ways, but they all are just speculations. Some would say that as his scam was discovered he was forced to accept his fault, but I wonder, his scam was discovered? Others speculate he was threatened by goverment agents.
    All I can see is that the last words of Santilli seems resigned to discredit himself, and not to make efforts to defend his word and his ethics as in the old times. He seems defeated and resigned to the mockery that is being submitted. But we shouldnīt lose our goal: It is true that he is being mocked, but it is not that clear that it is because of his fault. Where is the evidence of his fault? Here in this same forum we have a first hand statment of his previous position:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post518999
    Each draw your own conclusions.
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    Thumbs up Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Breathtaking an understatement. You Sir have done your homework Ernesto. WoW! As Im giving you an A+.
    And The Jury is convinced. IMO.....You have completed the Roswell Jigsaw puzzle with all the pieces you have provided.

    Found this. The craft you presented on this post is in this video at the 2:00 mark.


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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Quote Posted by ernesto (here)
    Thank you all for such a warm reception!
    Referring to the words of Ray Santilli, we must remember that he changed in 2006.
    Before that date, he strongly defended the authenticity of the material, and after that date he was not so clear. I can only analyze the facts and the facts show a radical change in his position.
    The reasons for this change are explained in different ways, but they all are just speculations. Some would say that as his scam was discovered he was forced to accept his fault, but I wonder, his scam was discovered? Others speculate he was threatened by goverment agents.
    All I can see is that the last words of Santilli seems resigned to discredit himself, and not to make efforts to defend his word and his ethics as in the old times. He seems defeated and resigned to the mockery that is being submitted. But we shouldnīt lose our goal: It is true that he is being mocked, but it is not that clear that it is because of his fault. Where is the evidence of his fault? Here in this same forum we have a first hand statment of his previous position:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post518999
    Each draw your own conclusions.
    great thread Ernesto!

    I got the Santilli vhs in the 90s as soon as it came out, and always felt it was genuine. there was even an interview with scotland yards chief pathologist on tv in the UK at the time where he reviewed the autopsy, at no point did he doubt that this was a real body.... cant find it on you tube, got that on vhs somewhere...

    I think Santilli was given the choice between a car crash or a little cash incentive.....

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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    About twelve years ago Roger Moore narrated The KGB UFO files which at the time looked promising then all of a sudden nothing!!

    About five minutes into this segment they show footage of a Alien autopcy which does not look very convincing...




    But later in the documentry they go thru it in detail saying the fact they only wore lab coats and no masks was
    normal for the time and some other details,Plus also shockingly that all the doctors and technitions in the room
    died very shortly afterwards ...Strange if true !!


    The full film...



    Okay Now I've posted it, I am rewatching it and it is very interresting
    and deffinately worth watching if you have not before, for general ref
    if you are interrested in these issues ....

    7 mins into part 5 they go into more detail about the autopcy...
    Earlier in the full vid a film expert verifies the authenticity of the
    film used to film the crash scene and other details....



    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    1 hour 18 mins in the main vid Roger moore starts summing up the case its here
    he goes into the finding of the three death certifcates and goes thru a recap on
    what they have found....similar parrallels to Roswell....It may have been some
    sort of disinfo film, to confuse the west. But I don't see why ? other than not to be
    out done if America did announce Roswell/Aliens were real.Remember project Blue
    book was concluding back then 1969...Though that is tenous imo......Steve
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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

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    Interesting stuff .
    Thanks

    useful to crossreference
    with mentioned related thread

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Roswell-craft

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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    This needs a good bumping up, ya think?
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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    That clear canopy section reminded me of this;

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    Default Re: New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film.

    Thanks Spiral!
    This is amazing... I do not know why the first time I saw this (several years ago) I didnīt payed too much atention.
    Now I wonder what is the shaape of this craft... I really cannot understand it yet!

    Perhaps is the same thing viewed from the side?

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