David Wilcock, The Great Revealing 7/20/2012

[observer]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
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"One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

The difference between belief and knowing.
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Thank you 9eagle9 for your contribution, and for making that distinction.

This is exactly the line in the sand, behind which I stand, and my primary reason for continuing on this forum.

If the members would please take note to the first line in my signature, I believe that sums it all up.

And.... of course....

Wishing everyone Love.... for eternity....

[RMorgan]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm sure a lot of people will find meaning in his message , far less will ACT on it.

They'll 'believe' in his message but not address their belief systems or suspend them.

They'll resonate to it, it sounds good, they'll put a lot of meaning on it but in doing so they entirely miss the point. That is a call to action not a call to believe him. One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

That´s exactly the point, my friend.

It really doesn´t matter if one believes Drake, Wilcock, whatever...

Most of the times believing someone just gives the illusion that you´re being proactive and doing something.

The point is to act.

This is the same thing as a sick man going to the doctor. The doctor tells him he must radically change his diet or he´ll die, which leaves the man with two options: Believing the doctor and doing nothing, which eventually will lead him to death; or believing the doctor and changing his diet, which will probably save his life.

About Wilcock, I identify with him, as a marketer. I have a MBA degree on Strategic Marketing.

As a somewhat successful Industrial Designer, I know there are two kinds of products one must design to achieve success.

Type 1- A very functional product that will do well in the market, so I can earn some royalties. Products that actually sell.

Type 2- Conceptual products that aren´t that functional, but which the press and design blogs will love. These products wont sell, but will spread around the internet and add value to my name/brand.

It´s important to publish one conceptual product quarterly, so you´re constantly being published by the press and websites; to keep your name on the top so you don´t get obscured by other designers.

These conceptual products will add value to your name/brand and will later make your functional/practical products sell much better.

Wilcock is smart. He uses the same strategy. He has his books, from which he actually earn his living and he has his polemical articles, which keep his name circling around the web constantly.

It really doesn´t matter if those articles are good or bad, reflect the truth or not. What matters is that these articles are tailored to be polemic and controversial, so people will always talk about them, no matter what, so his name will always be remembered, making his books and lectures sell much better.

I have nothing against this strategy itself; I think it´s honest. It´s just the way the market works.

However, I don´t really like the idea of selling/treating truth as product. It´s not cool.

The mainstream media is already using this strategy for a long time and we all know how bad is the result. It ended up not telling the truth at all, just polemical and controversial news, so it could earn money with commercials/advertising. It realized that truth doesn´t sell well and, truth and entertainment are, in fact, contradicting entities. Do you get my point?

Anyone who starts mixing truth with entertainment ends up giving up the truth. It´s just not good for business.

The truth is not a market asset and shouldn´t be treated like one, at least by my moral and ethical standards. At the moment truth is treated like a market asset, it´s corrupted.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
Instead of making fun of David like you used to have fun at the expense of the kid with the glasses in school(especially in here, where he is not present to metaphorically stand up from the ground), how about in the spirit of meaningful argument those of you that categorically raise the bs flag on this article of David go through it step by step and make arguments exactly how it is bs? In all possible cases one has to admit that his article is written okay, is vast, has msm links to it, provides actual documents, so I think it merits more than a categorical dismissal in a manner which resembles elementary school behavior more than anything.

Imo it is absolutely okay to not like David, to have an opinion that he is not credible and state so, but to wave off the absolute content of his article, I would expect a step by step analysis of it with some background if one is certain that the article is bs.


UT

I remember the DW years ago that spoke of spirituality, humanity, integrity, stability, and his humbleness before man kind and all the idea’s that we must stick together and bring about the change you want to see in ourselves.

This is why I posted John Trudell video, because David reminded me of what John has always stood for as David did when he entered the stage of the public eye.

No one is really against David if you really look at whats said about him. People who have followed him are just pointing out to the new crowd of follower’s, "bloody murder"-- some one has killed David Wilcock the one we used to know and love to listen to for hours on end.

Some one or some thing has grabbed David and thrown him over board to the sharks, and all this mad thrashing and dodging the jaws of world BS ocean out there.

Many of his friends and the public have tried to throw him a life preserver to get back on the boat of human understanding and the roots of his intellect were he began this Great quest.

When John Trudell was thrown to the sharks, it made a stronger person and embraced the change like tempered steel. And is now sharper than a samurai sword and can cut you to the quick with his words.

David has fallen apart and has taken a different route all together I don’t know this David everyone is speaking ill of these days. The David I knew was like John Trudell-- solid. That David has left the building.

And to break down each and every flaw David has brought to the table. Would be like trying to debunk the Webster dictionary its to complex like David. And explaining it to Johnny come lately is to big a challenge for me.

Its like a family member you grew up with, you know everything about this person, all of a sudden he’s in the news for something the general public is seeing, but cant make the connections a family member would know. Thousands of hours of data and listening to Davids work as a person, can’t be quantified for your opinion of not knowing why all this is occurring.

John xoxo

Good post!

I´ve been checking up on David for some years and yes there seems to be a change, but I wonder whether it could be compared to a profession change? If one is a accomplished carpenter but takes up smithery because feels that is needed at that particular time to get the job done - is the change something positive or negative or are we as spectators subject to expecting something particular of the person? Therefore assuming that he should not be a subject to change and we automatically assume that he needs a life preserver? That very well may be the case, but I feel that we should be open to the possibility that he knows what he is doing and why and may be very well guided to do so, although from outside his way might be perceived as "being overboard"? I am willing to bet that most if not all of us in Avalon have been perceived well overboard in our personal lives by other people?

What I was calling for in my earlier post is whether people can point out provable flaws in his article, not so much possible or perceivable flaws in his person. Is it possible that the ones doing the perceiving let the perception misguide themselves into thinking that the actual message that David is relating is not worth the interest, because his way of representing things and possibly he himself has changed?

Just checking out John Trudell with great interest!

UT

[ljwheat]

****@Ultima Rhule****
I´ve been checking up on David for some years and yes there seems to be a change, but I wonder whether it could be compared to a profession change? If one is a accomplished carpenter but takes up smithery because feels that is needed at that particular time to get the job done - is the change something positive or negative or are we as spectators subject to expecting something particular of the person? Therefore assuming that he should not be a subject to change and we automatically assume that he needs a life preserver? That very well may be the case, but I feel that we should be open to the possibility that he knows what he is doing and why and may be very well guided to do so, although from outside his way might be perceived as "being overboard"? I am willing to bet that most if not all of us in Avalon have been perceived well overboard in our personal lives by other people?

What I was calling for in my earlier post is whether people can point out provable flaws in his article, not so much possible or perceivable flaws in his person. Is it possible that the ones doing the perceiving let the perception misguide themselves into thinking that the actual message that David is relating is not worth the interest, because his way of representing things and possibly he himself has changed?

Just checking out John Trudell with great interest!

UT

Indeed this is a very good possibility, perception ahhh "that’s the key". David stood alone in the beginning, researching, annualizing, correlating everything he could get his hands on almost 100 % provable fact in a lab or threw mathematics’ that anyone could do or resonate with, just take these step’s and wa la, validating others work or idea’s with uncanny accuracy.

The greatest Dot connector that’s come along in years, like John Trudell = David also was an activist showing how once put together his formulations could be brought about to its completion by anyone, that chose to do so. His validation came from coherency thinking and less on beliefs.

Now David is standing on more beliefs, and less coherent thinking. And the people he’s decided to stand next to and validate in the belief that hope in there idea’s, will shine us threw, when these very people are just opportunist’s-- serving self inflated interests that have long track records of instability and down right trickery. If you dress up like a bank robber and stand next to a real bank robber. Expect to be treated like a bank robber. Not that great of an analogy, but IMO,-- Mom said to me watch out who you hang around with. You’ll get judged for there idiocies in the long run.

You can’t hang out in a local bar all week, then on Sunday give a sermon. John xoxo.

[Davy]

I can honestly say,,, I dont know what to expect or even who to believe so,,, I Just try take it one day at a time and live in today. I trust my higher self and use my own inner guidence, to what I need to do when needed, I am prepared in my mind for many different things so when the proof is there and it effects my daily life, then I am ready to do what I need to do, then. And I do feel that We are going into a better time, of peace. After all we are moving into the age of Aquarius but just how rough of a transition will we have to endeavor to get there ??

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm sure a lot of people will find meaning in his message , far less will ACT on it.

They'll 'believe' in his message but not address their belief systems or suspend them.

They'll resonate to it, it sounds good, they'll put a lot of meaning on it but in doing so they entirely miss the point. That is a call to action not a call to believe him. One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

The difference between belief and knowing.

Some of us are able to try on and take off belief systems at will, like we do with clothing. I've become pretty adept at this and can explore belief systems with detachment. I first started experimenting with this after reading Robert Anton Wilson's books. One thing I've learned from doing this is that there are certain things you simply wont be able to access without at least provisional belief. In many cases you don't even need to believe, just not actively disbelieve. The art of suspending disbelief temporarily in order to fully explore something without becoming trapped in it is a useful skill to learn. Kneejerk dismissal of everything that does not fit ones preconceptions does not lend well to knowing.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm sure a lot of people will find meaning in his message , far less will ACT on it.

They'll 'believe' in his message but not address their belief systems or suspend them.

They'll resonate to it, it sounds good, they'll put a lot of meaning on it but in doing so they entirely miss the point. That is a call to action not a call to believe him. One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

The difference between belief and knowing.

Some of us are able to try on and take off belief systems at will, like we do with clothing. I've become pretty adept at this and can explore belief systems with detachment. I first started experimenting with this after reading Robert Anton Wilson's books. One thing I've learned from doing this is that there are certain things you simply wont be able to access without at least provisional belief. In many cases you don't even need to believe, just not actively disbelieve. The art of suspending disbelief temporarily in order to fully explore something without becoming trapped in it is a useful skill to learn. Kneejerk dismissal of everything that does not fit ones preconceptions does not lend well to knowing.

It was also Robert Anton Wilson's books that got me relating to belief systems like this. (see sig quote below)

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
It was also Robert Anton Wilson's books that got me relating to belief systems like this. (see sig quote below)

Right on, Jim. I like the quote. I try to consider possibilities rather than have beliefs. Obviously, some possibilities are more likely than others, but to my mind, that doesn't necessarily make them more valid. And yes, I do have my more favorite possibilities and my least favorite possibilities.

[gripreaper]

WILCOCK UPDATE TODAY !!!!!!!!!!

UPDATE SATURDAY 7/28: POWERFUL THINGS GOING ON

I had hoped to finish uploading the rest of this investigation on Wednesday -- but was not able to do so.

The investigation itself is still transforming -- on a variety of levels.

Powerful events have taken place -- some very positive, and some definitely negative. None of them have affected me personally. I am safe and my associates are safe.

Benjamin Fulford did not post an update this week, causing alarm for his readers -- but I can confirm that he is OK. I do not know when he will resume posting, but hopefully soon.

I found out that two more massive false-flag attempts have been thwarted by Divine Intervention -- at least so far. Either one of these would have been provocative enough to immediately start World War III.

At this time there is still an old, mothballed destroyer in the Persian Gulf that is wired up with charges set to go off -- and be blamed on Iran. However, the charges will not go off and the effort has been a failure.

There have been many frantic attempts to set up false-flag events like this, and none of them have been working -- since August of last year, if not earlier.

I also found out, from insider contacts, that James Holmes was NOT supposed to have ended up in court, alive, pleading amnesia and looking totally disoriented.

The Cabal is horrified by the fact that this was a "botched job", and so many people are waking up to the idea of mind control that it is becoming widely known -- and only hastening their downfall.

There are plenty of movies that spell out how this is done -- and the public is waking up to it much faster than they ever had expected.

Other significant events have happened as well. Since returning from Chicago I have needed to stop and breathe, get some sleep and live a normal life for a few days.

I am getting close to being rested up enough to dive back in to complex production work like this again -- and my goal is to publish as soon as certain issues work themselves out and find resolution.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...reat-revealing

Nice to know that the USS Enterprise, the first nuclear aircraft carrier sitting like a duck in the Persian Gulf, has not been blown up and blamed on Iran.

[9eagle9]

David himself being a false flag.

Takes one to know one.

[Kimberley]

FYI...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-nation.html

[Kimberley]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
David himself being a false flag.

Takes one to know one.

I just want the record to note that you 9eagle are such a curmudgeon to me... I have not used the ignore app that is available on this forum toward you... however I do my best to ignore you 9eagle because you sure do push my buttons and since that is the case I realize that since you push my buttons that there is for me to learn something and grow from that experience... I admit I still have not learned the lesson that you are there trying to teach me... I am so looking forward to the day that I can share what lesson you have been trying to teach me... :-) Thank you!

[David Trd1]

I am of the persuasion that wilcock believes wholeheartedly that this is happening in real time.And he backs up alot of what he says with well sourced data,the corporate data in his latest article post is a good case in point,it was published in new scientist some time ago(the original study that is).

Also something very real is going on here with regards to the banking institutions,resignations,cases being brought and even arrests in minor cases.
this thread is quite informative on the subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ross-the-World

But its the divine intervention bit that dilutes the message,i suspect he is being taken for a ride in this respect as the only reference to this is word of mouth from un-named sources.True or not i don`t doubt the mans good intentions to inform with what he knows and to say he`s ''in it'' for the money in preposterous.

Everybody needs to make a living,everybody

The reason he is so popular is that his information(especially the books)resonate deeply with people and are quality publications and establish his bona-fides as being of high intellect and a good researcher.I agree his writings seem informative and slighty self-absorbed at the same time but at the end of the day he is just sharing what he believes to be true and is his journey.It is then up to us to use our discernment and find what pieces if any resonate.

Bashing the man for doing this is counter-productive.

everything in moderation, balance and understanding,this is where growth comes from and after all thats why we`re all here.

Peace

[Maunagarjana]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ciWKdr-inY

[9eagle9]

This is refreshing Kimberley , this is the first authentic statement you've ever made without making empty sentiments about love. I really appreciate an honest expression of disgruntlement rather than a fake expression of love.

If you have buttons pushed you something you need to address internally. This may be because you, by your own self admission, like to view yourself as non judgmental, non critical and loving everyone , and that program sort of breaks down when I'm around and you suddenly find yourself assigning labels, and blaming me for having your buttons pushed, (they are YOUR buttons after all, you'd think you'd have some control over them) so you are confronted with the fact perhaps that you are not as all loving, non critical, and non judgmental as you like to believe. That is a lesson that a lot of people have to confront--they are not precisely who they believe they are. That is the core of the world's problems actually--we've been led to believe something about ourselves that isn't true. We tend to ignore this, which is why the ignore app is so handy.

Life is garden but not necessarily a bed of roses.

As far as your information, one shouldn't automatically believe what a lobbying group has to say so I hardly can regard your link as information . This is called becoming 'politically' aware. Which is not the same as 'spiritually' aware I suspect that a lobbying group is not precisely pushing for your best interests.

Or anyone elses.

Posted by Kimberley (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
David himself being a false flag.

Takes one to know one.

I just want the record to note that you 9eagle are such a curmudgeon to me... I have not used the ignore app that is available on this forum toward you... however I do my best to ignore you 9eagle because you sure do push my buttons and since that is the case I realize that since you push my buttons that there is for me to learn something and grow from that experience... I admit I still have not learned the lesson that you are there trying to teach me... I am so looking forward to the day that I can share what lesson you have been trying to teach me... :-) Thank you!

[9eagle9]

People do need to create or make a living. Or you die...lol. Creating a living is not just money intake. People who keep themselves on an even financial keel can still be in 'survival' mode. One is bringing in money simply to continue going through the motions or mimicking life.

At the heart of it people have an interior drive to feel productive, like they are producing something MEANINGFUL. Why so many people are unhappy in their employment, being able to push or produce a lot of paper into the 'out' box is not meaningful to them. They are just going through the motions and not expressing anything into the physical world in a meaningful way. Nor do they get a meaningful return out of it.

The wealthy elite controllers have very empty non productive lives. There's no reason to produce or create a living --the energies they invest themselves with are an imitation of spirit or life.

And David would like us all to emulate that by having everything handed to us? Well be handed several metric tons of gold and the Federal Reserve will just empty itself into your bank account.

It is not only possible but reality to have the universe produce for you, through you but what David peddles isn't manifestation but a means of adopting the same sort of non productive , non meaningful mindsets the ptb have.

I don't find this the least suprising since it's apparent he's leveraged by these same mindsets. The ptb targets 'swell' people because people do have at least enough sense to avoid those people who are overtly sinister..lol.

Not to mention he's doing a swell job at convincing people that 'data' collection from external sources is 'psychic'.

Posted by David Trd1 (here)
I am of the persuasion that wilcock believes wholeheartedly that this is happening in real time.And he backs up alot of what he says with well sourced data,the corporate data in his latest article post is a good case in point,it was published in new scientist some time ago(the original study that is).

Also something very real is going on here with regards to the banking institutions,resignations,cases being brought and even arrests in minor cases.
this thread is quite informative on the subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ross-the-World

But its the divine intervention bit that dilutes the message,i suspect he is being taken for a ride in this respect as the only reference to this is word of mouth from un-named sources.True or not i don`t doubt the mans good intentions to inform with what he knows and to say he`s ''in it'' for the money in preposterous.

Everybody needs to make a living,everybody

The reason he is so popular is that his information(especially the books)resonate deeply with people and are quality publications and establish his bona-fides as being of high intellect and a good researcher.I agree his writings seem informative and slighty self-absorbed at the same time but at the end of the day he is just sharing what he believes to be true and is his journey.It is then up to us to use our discernment and find what pieces if any resonate.

Bashing the man for doing this is counter-productive.

everything in moderation, balance and understanding,this is where growth comes from and after all thats why we`re all here.

Peace

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
People do need to create or make a living. Or you die...lol. Creating a living is not just money intake. People who keep themselves on an even financial keel can still be in 'survival' mode. One is bringing in money simply to continue going through the motions or mimicking life.

At the heart of it people have an interior drive to feel productive, like they are producing something MEANINGFUL. Why so many people are unhappy in their employment, being able to push or produce a lot of paper into the 'out' box is not meaningful to them. They are just going through the motions and not expressing anything into the physical world in a meaningful way. Nor do they get a meaningful return out of it.

The wealthy elite controllers have very empty non productive lives. There's no reason to produce or create a living --the energies they invest themselves with are an imitation of spirit or life.

And David would like us all to emulate that by having everything handed to us? Well be handed several metric tons of gold and the Federal Reserve will just empty itself into your bank account.

It is not only possible but reality to have the universe produce for you, through you but what David peddles isn't manifestation but a means of adopting the same sort of non productive , non meaningful mindsets the ptb have.

I don't find this the least suprising since it's apparent he's leveraged by these same mindsets. The ptb targets 'swell' people because people do have at least enough sense to avoid those people who are overtly sinister..lol.

Not to mention he's doing a swell job at convincing people that 'data' collection from external sources is 'psychic'.

Posted by David Trd1 (here)
I am of the persuasion that wilcock believes wholeheartedly that this is happening in real time.And he backs up alot of what he says with well sourced data,the corporate data in his latest article post is a good case in point,it was published in new scientist some time ago(the original study that is).

Also something very real is going on here with regards to the banking institutions,resignations,cases being brought and even arrests in minor cases.
this thread is quite informative on the subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ross-the-World

But its the divine intervention bit that dilutes the message,i suspect he is being taken for a ride in this respect as the only reference to this is word of mouth from un-named sources.True or not i don`t doubt the mans good intentions to inform with what he knows and to say he`s ''in it'' for the money in preposterous.

Everybody needs to make a living,everybody

The reason he is so popular is that his information(especially the books)resonate deeply with people and are quality publications and establish his bona-fides as being of high intellect and a good researcher.I agree his writings seem informative and slighty self-absorbed at the same time but at the end of the day he is just sharing what he believes to be true and is his journey.It is then up to us to use our discernment and find what pieces if any resonate.

Bashing the man for doing this is counter-productive.

everything in moderation, balance and understanding,this is where growth comes from and after all thats why we`re all here.

Peace

9eagle, you are such a curmudgeon. Want to have tea?

[meeradas]

Posted by modwiz (here)
9eagle, you are such a curmudgeon.

She's heading here...

[observer]

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grip,

I, for one, certainly do resonate with your sarcastic point of view in regard to this Wilcock sort of nonsense.

It's against the rules of the forum to come into a thread and grab any of the members by the scruff of their lapel, jack them up against the wall, and bitch-slap them into waking-up by presenting information contrary to the topic within any given thread, i.e. creating a debate with the topic. That's called 'derailing the thread', and it will get you kicked-out of the website.

I personally feel, it is a necessary part of the art of communication - from time to time. God forbid, one should be politically incorrect in these times of Mass Confusion.

It has been my observation, most of the species are just not ready to hear, what I refer to as, my mantra:

"Everything we think we understand is part of a bigger lie, and the lie is different at every level of understanding"

Most individuals hearing this observation, only hear the opening muted trumpet introduction:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrsjo5V5qs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrsjo5V5qs



.... so put me in that list of curmudgeons, right next to 9eagle9.



Keep-up the excellent work, grip....