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[alamojo]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
20kg - 44lbs in 4 weeks?

Sorry it was actually a little more than that It was actually 21.8kg...

Admittedly, alot of the weight loss consisted from too much prior excess of soda/softdrink

But who gives a toss, I lost over 20kg in 4 weeks, the weight didn't fall off I had to have discipline in the foods I ate aswell and did a light weights workout aswell...

I've given you guys the relatively unknown benefits of Cayenne Pepper & Tumeric...

This will be my last tip in this section...

...and I was even going to tell you how to supercharge your fat burning metabolism aswell

Oh well, the negaters/detractors know best I guess...

Seeya...

Jack, I am very sorry, I really thought you were joking. Congratulations on your weight loss!

[Paula]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

20kg - 44lbs in 4 weeks?

Sorry it was actually a little more than that It was actually 21.8kg...

Admittedly, alot of the weight loss consisted from too much prior excess of soda/softdrink

But who gives a toss, I lost over 20kg in 4 weeks, the weight didn't fall off I had to have discipline in the foods I ate aswell and did a light weights workout aswell...

I've given you guys the relatively unknown benefits of Cayenne Pepper & Tumeric...

This will be my last tip in this section...

...and I was even going to tell you how to supercharge your fat burning metabolism aswell

Oh well, the negaters/detractors know best I guess...

Seeya...

Hi jackovesk,

Congrats on your success, and wishing you continued health.

"Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation, " by: Andreas Moritz has TONS of topics on prevention and healthy living.

I found a free pdf of the book. After spending several hours reading, I decided it was worth a hard copy because with pdf books you can't highlight or make notes. Here's the freebie: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation"

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Paul (here)
Here's an interesting thread about the "plant derived mineral powder" in
Beyond Tangy Tangerine: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=228204.0

I'll not be trying any myself . I sense more genius has gone into the viral marketing of this than into the ingredients (I could be wrong ... just looked briefly at this product.) Getting Alex Jones to endorse something has got to be good for business.

In any plant based mineral complex you will find traces or arsenic, lead, mercury, fluorine. In fact many many plants have traces of these minerals. As such they are not dangerous to our health when structured in plant compounds, nor are they excessive as when found in lets say, paint or thermometers. And the fluroide found in drinking water is not fluorine but a wide variety of fluoride compounds that are by products of the chemical industry. There is danger in taking these minerals in excess or in the wrong form.

Trace minerals are essential for superior health and plant based mineral products,( and I prefer the Utah Shale mine products) have been long recommended by alternative practitioners. Every disease can be traced back to a mineral deficiency, so they say. Trace minerals are in short supply due to our depleted soils. I add azmonite to my soils to make ammends or sometimes condensed seawater for the 70 to 90 minerals it contains... including mercury, lead and other things typically deemed "dangerous"..... time to think outside the box and free oneself from the confusion tha the PTB and the medical industry have imposed upon us.

Question: What Is Fluoride?
Are you confused about the difference between fluoride and fluorine or simply want to know what fluoride is? Here's the answer to this common chemistry question.
Answer: Fluoride is the negative ion of the element fluorine. Fluoride often is written as F-. Any compound, whether it is organic or inorganic, that contains the fluoride ion is also known as a fluoride. Examples include CaF2 (calcium fluoride) and NaF (sodium fluoride). Ions containing the fluoride ion are similarly called fluorides (e.g., bifluoride, HF2−).
To summarize: fluorine is an element; fluoride is an ion or a compound which contains the fluoride ion.Water fluoridation usually is accompished by adding sodium fluoride (NaF), fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6), or sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) to drinking water.

[Paul]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Trace minerals are essential for superior health and plant based mineral products ... have been long recommended by alternative practitioners

Yup - agreed. And most "food" today comes from mineral depleted soil. I too take such mineral supplements, which will have at least traces of just about everything possible in them.

[TargeT]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Not really impossible you can lose that much weight on the HCG diet depending on how much you weigh. The more fat you have the faster it comes off.
Losing 44 pounds is easy compared to trying to lose five pounds. \]

I did HCG 3 times, my best was 35lbs in 30 days...

Keeping it off however... haha I had to drastically change my eating habits

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Not really impossible you can lose that much weight on the HCG diet depending on how much you weigh. The more fat you have the faster it comes off.
Losing 44 pounds is easy compared to trying to lose five pounds.

- losing that much weight possible => correct
- losing that much FAT that fast => impossible
- the more fat you have the faster it comes off => wrong

fat is metabolically INACTIVE. it just sits there. that means fat in and of itself does not burn calories and to say that having more fat will help you lose fat faster is simply false. on the contrary, fat cells produce leptin, the satiety hormone, and an overabundance of leptin causes the body to become leptin resistant, which means you can't stop eating even if your body doesn't need more food. you're always hungry and crave food food food.

muscle, on the other hand, is metabolically ACTIVE, so the more muscle you have, the more calories you burn even when you do nothing, sleep, watch tv..whatever.

trying to lose weight long-term by fasting/eating nothing is counterproductive because as i said before most of the weight you lose is water and some muscle + fat. very soon your metabolism slows down because your body realizes that no food is forthcoming and tries to preserve what it has to make sure you survive as long as possible without food. that's a natural mechanism.

eventually you start eating again but the body is still in energy-conserving mode with low metabolism, which means that it starts storing fat at an enhanced rate in order to make sure there's enough in store for the next starvation period (fasting or low caloric diet). that's the yo-yo effect at work.

the problem, however, is that after your last fast you lost not only water & fat but also muscle and without muscle-building exercise you won't regain it and only become fatter the next time you eat normally because your metabolism is even lower than before due to the additional muscle loss. that's why people tend to get a little fatter after each calorie-restrictive diet.

another problem with fasting is that muscle, being metabolically active, gets removed preferentially as opposed to the metabolically inactive fat, because the less muscle you have, the less energy you burn, and the longer the body can survive through a starvation (fasting or dieting) period.

bottom line, losing weight effortlessly requires first and foremost the knowledge of how to influence the body's endocrine system. if you know which hormones are catabolic, which are anabolic, and how they interact, losing weight without limiting calories becomes childs play and does not require any kind of "weight-loss supplement".

[Arrowwind]

And this is why the Atkins type diets works so well for many people. You feed muscle with high protien, starve fat by restricting empty usless types of carbs and lift weights to promote muscle production, which is the hormonal stimulation part of the program.

[9eagle9]

It depends if you are talking about abnormal fat or normal fat. I agree that weight loss should not require any sort of supplement but HCG is not a supplement its a endocrine secretion. It's a chemical reaction that forces the body to burn abnormal fat. Normal fat like that found in breasts, cheekbones, etc is not burned.
Our common 'diets' typically impose pressure on muscle and normal fat first.

Abnormal fat is burned up quite easily. It's energy. Fat cells differ.

Big difference between normal fat or necessary fat and abnormal fat.

and fat between genders if well known...

Fat is easily measured through BMI. So is muscle. So is water. Fat holds more water than muscle. Fat will hold on to toxin, where muscle will release toxins. Supplements can assist in helping abnormal fat release toxins.

Right now visual perceptions is now what determines what 'fat' is. And measurements...people who are very muscular and more muscle than fat can look fat with normal healthy amounts of body fat. I know people who are tiny, tiny, and all fat and hardly any muscle.

No one unless they are seriously screwed up loses 44 pounds of water weight or muscle in that short amount of time without showing some sort of symptoms of compromise. There is only so much water the body will hold unless they have a compounded abscess condition. Like a tumor. If the body was that compromised it would be very apparent.

You cannot go buy ptb standards.

There is even such a thing as 'fake' fat. The fat the mind brings in to existence. How do you physically treat something like that?

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Not really impossible you can lose that much weight on the HCG diet depending on how much you weigh. The more fat you have the faster it comes off.
Losing 44 pounds is easy compared to trying to lose five pounds.

- losing that much weight possible => correct
- losing that much FAT that fast => impossible
- the more fat you have the faster it comes off => wrong

fat is metabolically INACTIVE. it just sits there. that means fat in and of itself does not burn calories and to say that having more fat will help you lose fat faster is simply false. on the contrary, fat cells produce leptin, the satiety hormone, and an overabundance of leptin causes the body to become leptin resistant, which means you can't stop eating even if your body doesn't need more food. you're always hungry and crave food food food.

muscle, on the other hand, is metabolically ACTIVE, so the more muscle you have, the more calories you burn even when you do nothing, sleep, watch tv..whatever.

trying to lose weight long-term by fasting/eating nothing is counterproductive because as i said before most of the weight you lose is water and some muscle + fat. very soon your metabolism slows down because your body realizes that no food is forthcoming and tries to preserve what it has to make sure you survive as long as possible without food. that's a natural mechanism.

eventually you start eating again but the body is still in energy-conserving mode with low metabolism, which means that it starts storing fat at an enhanced rate in order to make sure there's enough in store for the next starvation period (fasting or low caloric diet). that's the yo-yo effect at work.

the problem, however, is that after your last fast you lost not only water & fat but also muscle and without muscle-building exercise you won't regain it and only become fatter the next time you eat normally because your metabolism is even lower than before due to the additional muscle loss. that's why people tend to get a little fatter after each calorie-restrictive diet.

another problem with fasting is that muscle, being metabolically active, gets removed preferentially as opposed to the metabolically inactive fat, because the less muscle you have, the less energy you burn, and the longer the body can survive through a starvation (fasting or dieting) period.

bottom line, losing weight effortlessly requires first and foremost the knowledge of how to influence the body's endocrine system. if you know which hormones are catabolic, which are anabolic, and how they interact, losing weight without limiting calories becomes childs play and does not require any kind of "weight-loss supplement".

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It depends if you are talking about abnormal fat or normal fat. I agree that weight loss should not require any sort of supplement but HCG is not a supplement its a endocrine secretion. It's a chemical reaction that forces the body to burn abnormal fat. Normal fat like that found in breasts, cheekbones, etc is not burned.
Our common 'diets' typically impose pressure on muscle and normal fat first.

Abnormal fat is burned up quite easily. It's energy. Fat cells differ.

Big difference between normal fat or necessary fat and abnormal fat.

and fat between genders if well known...

Fat is easily measured through BMI. So is muscle. So is water. Fat holds more water than muscle. Fat will hold on to toxin, where muscle will release toxins. Supplements can assist in helping abnormal fat release toxins.

Right now visual perceptions is now what determines what 'fat' is. And measurements...people who are very muscular and more muscle than fat can look fat with normal healthy amounts of body fat. I know people who are tiny, tiny, and all fat and hardly any muscle.

No one unless they are seriously screwed up loses 44 pounds of water weight or muscle in that short amount of time without showing some sort of symptoms of compromise. There is only so much water the body will hold unless they have a compounded abscess condition. Like a tumor. If the body was that compromised it would be very apparent.

You cannot go buy ptb standards.

There is even such a thing as 'fake' fat. The fat the mind brings in to existence. How do you physically treat something like that?

sorry to contradict you again but fat is fat. there's no such thing as "abnormal fat", it's only the amount of fat that makes it abnormal and that is simply caused by bad eating habits.

regarding the "fat the mind brings into existence", it still has to come from somewhere. if a person feels the need to insulate him/herself from something then this will create imbalances in hormones and neurotransmitters and lead to excessive food cravings, first and foremost for sugar and all kinds of sweet things because they raise serotonin levels...but only temporarily. the cravings return as soon as serotonin and blood sugar levels drop below normal.

on the other hand, a healthy eating regimen will not only help the body to shed excess fat and thus detoxify the body but also the mind, because it is the toxins in the body (mostly stored in fat cells) along with pathogens that thrive in sick organisms (like candida) and food that is not made for human consumption, such as grains, that cause all kinds of mental problems.

last but not least, ingesting "endocrine secretions", hormones so to speak (even natural ones), creates further stress in the body because it is unable to regulate the amount of these hormones. an excellent example in this category are anabolic steroides which often cause all kinds of damage in bodybuilders.

i realize that there is something called hormonal replacement therapy which replaces certain hormones if the body can't make (enough of) its own but that works only as long as people take these hormones (in very small and controlled amounts) and once they stop they have a big problem. hypothyroidism is a prime example (which, incidentally, also increases excess body fat by lowering metabolic rate)

the same happens with any hormone that is ingested and then at some point withdrawn. the body stops producing its own hormones if it gets them from an external source and if they were ingested long enough the own production of that hormone won't start again. that's the point when people depend on their shots, just what big pharma want, of couse, and hormone shots are not cheap.

anyway, what i want to say with all this is that the body can be encouraged to counter the naturally declining hormone production (something that happens after age 25-30) and that all important hormones can be influenced via nutrition and exercise to remain at optimal levels and keep the body in perfect shape until old age. hormone supplements are definitely not a good idea if someone wants to lose weight and then keep it off (and get or remain healthy).

[Paula]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
sorry to contradict you again but fat is fat. there's no such thing as "abnormal fat", it's only the amount of fat that makes it abnormal and that is simply caused by bad eating habits.

Hello The Truth Is In There, this is some further info to pass along. Not all fat is equal. (This post is in reference to the one comment only, "fat is fat".)

Brown Fat is the good fat ...

The Brown Fat Revolution: What It Is

According to The Brown Fat Revolution, fat is your friend, and you need it for a younger-looking face and a slim, toned body. But, the book says, not all fat is the same. 

It's the yellow fat in our bodies that makes us look old and flabby, according to author James Lyons, MD, a Connecticut plastic surgeon. Brown fat, on the other hand, gives skin volume for a better appearance -- and can actually help you lose weight.

Brown Fat, Triggered by Cold or Exercise, May Yield a Key to Weight Control

[Alie]

It just occurred to me to mention this ... "youngevity is all you need" I so agree as there is a certain age (for me 55) that caused me to wake up to the fight to stay healthy. BUT, I think a lot of the source for this "fight" is PURPOSE.

A purpose for which to fight against the inevitable decline --- entropy.

[Mulder]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Thre are many products just about the same as this at a much better price. I find the price prohibative for most middle class folks who have a family.

You're right about the cost of tangy Tangerine - it costs me almost $100 a container, which lasts for around 2 weeks. Please tell me some of the other products you know about- it would save me going into Health Shops and looking at "Ingredients lists" in their supplements.

[Mulder]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Alex Jones lost 37 pounds on beyond Tangy Tangerine Weight Loss from Youngevity!

PS - I know it works because (I use it) and lost 20 kg (44 lbs) in just 4 weeks...

Did'nt have to change a thing, just went on my usual 1 1/4 Hr Walk (5 Days/Wk)

That's awesome you've lost all this weight. I've been on tangy tangerine since my birthday in mid May & I've managed to lose 3 kgs. I'm wrapt about this because I've tried so many diets, pills like Xenical, and I even have thought about surgery for obesity. Please keep your fingers crossed for me as I really need to lose weight for my health.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Mulder (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Thre are many products just about the same as this at a much better price. I find the price prohibative for most middle class folks who have a family.

Posted by Mulder (here)

You're right about the cost of tangy Tangerine - it costs me almost $100 a container, which lasts for around 2 weeks. Please tell me some of the other products you know about- it would save me going into Health Shops and looking at "Ingredients lists" in their supplements.

I suppose that if you were starting out pretty deficient tangy tangerine might make some bit of a difference. Im not sure why people are expeiencing weight loss with it except that they are substituting it for foods that they would have been eating that puts on or keep weight on.

It has an ORAC value of about 5750. The product I use has an orac of 8000 and it includes all the trace minerals from the plant products they use. here it is:
http://www.iherb.com/Greens-World-De...g-Powder/14057



sometimes I add this to it:
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Pro-G...oz-612-g/10433

Or I add Jarrow whey as it boosts glutatione levels
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas...-lbs-908-g/270



sometimes I use this product called Protien and Greens, which is a very good buy which has a 12,000 orac. These products because of their contents will provide all trace minerals.
http://www.iherb.com/Paradise-Herbs-...oz-454-g/17988

aside from the above I also take a B complex, D3 5,000 IU vitamin c 3,000, a bioflavinoid, selenium

I assure you. I dont spend 100 dollars every two weeks! Maybe $125 per month when Im really into it.

I purchase all this stuff at www.Iherb.com If you decide to purchase anything there enter coupon code BAR967 and you will get $5 off your first purchase. Its one of the lowest price companies on the net and Ive shopped with them for at least 15 years now. They have good service.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
sorry to contradict you again but fat is fat. there's no such thing as "abnormal fat", it's only the amount of fat that makes it abnormal and that is simply caused by bad eating habits.

Hello The Truth Is In There, this is some further info to pass along. Not all fat is equal. (This post is in reference to the one comment only, "fat is fat".)

Brown Fat is the good fat ...

The Brown Fat Revolution: What It Is

According to The Brown Fat Revolution, fat is your friend, and you need it for a younger-looking face and a slim, toned body. But, the book says, not all fat is the same. 

It's the yellow fat in our bodies that makes us look old and flabby, according to author James Lyons, MD, a Connecticut plastic surgeon. Brown fat, on the other hand, gives skin volume for a better appearance -- and can actually help you lose weight.

Brown Fat, Triggered by Cold or Exercise, May Yield a Key to Weight Control

ok, i stand corrected. from what i've gathered from those two articles it looks like they refer to "yellow fat" as the basic storage form of fat and "brown fat" as muscle fuel that is more readily available and also works as insulation against cold.

while muscles burn sugar/glycogen in the average person (sugar-burners), in people like myself who follow a low carb diet (fat burners), the muscles use fat as the main fuel source so it would make sense that this fuel has to be more readily available than the average body fat. that's the "brown fat", i guess.

so i agree with you, if seen from this angle there are indeed two different storage forms of fat (or rather, different forms of fat cells, the fat itself in those cells is probably the same) in the body and the goal should be to reduce the long term storage form - "yellow fat" and increase the muscle fuel storage form - "brown fat".

[Paula]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
sorry to contradict you again but fat is fat. there's no such thing as "abnormal fat", it's only the amount of fat that makes it abnormal and that is simply caused by bad eating habits.

Hello The Truth Is In There, this is some further info to pass along. Not all fat is equal. (This post is in reference to the one comment only, "fat is fat".)

Brown Fat is the good fat ...

The Brown Fat Revolution: What It Is

According to The Brown Fat Revolution, fat is your friend, and you need it for a younger-looking face and a slim, toned body. But, the book says, not all fat is the same. 

It's the yellow fat in our bodies that makes us look old and flabby, according to author James Lyons, MD, a Connecticut plastic surgeon. Brown fat, on the other hand, gives skin volume for a better appearance -- and can actually help you lose weight.

Brown Fat, Triggered by Cold or Exercise, May Yield a Key to Weight Control

ok, i stand corrected. from what i've gathered from those two articles it looks like they refer to "yellow fat" as the basic storage form of fat and "brown fat" as muscle fuel that is more readily available and also works as insulation against cold.

while muscles burn sugar/glycogen in the average person (sugar-burners), in people like myself who follow a low carb diet (fat burners), the muscles use fat as the main fuel source so it would make sense that this fuel has to be more readily available than the average body fat. that's the "brown fat", i guess.

so i agree with you, if seen from this angle there are indeed two different storage forms of fat (or rather, different forms of fat cells, the fat itself in those cells is probably the same) in the body and the goal should be to reduce the long term storage form - "yellow fat" and increase the muscle fuel storage form - "brown fat".

ok, i stand corrected. from what i've gathered from those two articles...

Hello Truth,

Please "stand corrected" only for yourself if that's what you need, NOT for me. Cuz, I'm not seeking that. (She said with intention of compassion.)

I just passed along some further information from the book I read several years ago on brown fat.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Trace minerals are essential for superior health and plant based mineral products ... have been long recommended by alternative practitioners

Yup - agreed. And most "food" today comes from mineral depleted soil. I too take such mineral supplements, which will have at least traces of just about everything possible in them.

Wheatgrass, Spirulina an Chlorella are great supplements ( green superfoods, i use them in powdered form, just add water and stir), one could also try Tonic Alchemy by Ron Teegaurden or many other food based supplements, there are lots of them on the market, as a matter of fact.they are competing their asses off to get a grip on this market segment ( conscious eaters), make good use off this fact i would say

Wheatgrass........

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DxSzcfMSo

Spirulina.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAIf-bMxrkM

Chlorella.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtUTL6rbRHE

Tonic Alchemy.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAP2g1XWaQQ

Lots of research on the internet about Wheatgrass, Spirulina an Chlorella......... Mike Adams has done some great research regarding algae too, its on his website and incluides a looooooooooot of excellent info.

( does make your t*rds green though, but not nearly enough to use as a bedlamp)