James Holmes' likely murders overshadow father Robert Holmes' Libor testimony.

[Kimberley]

bumping this ...be sure to look at Robert Holmes linked-in profile in the first link Target posted and then in the second link is a photo of Robert Holmes getting off the plane in Colorado...good possibility it is the same person...by looking at the pictures...

Posted by TargeT (here)
very interesting, this needs more investigation!

Looks to be the same individual.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1690807.html

[TargeT]

I wish I had a higher rez image from the airport... its really hard to say.

[Kimberley]

Posted by TargeT (here)
I wish I had a higher rez image from the airport... its really hard to say.

yes I did the same thing...however it is sure close...

I found 2 more interesting articles

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012...lliant-father/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-father.html

Much love!

[Rahkyt]

And so, effectively, any testimony this guy was going to give is now likely to be dismissed as he is tainted by his son's actions leading to questions about him, his veracity, his empathy for his family and whether or not he's a psychopath himself.

I'd say an astoundingly efficient day's work done on the part of the PTB IF this young man was MKULTRA'd and set off at the proper time. Still haven't seen a good explanation of where he got the money to pay for all of his weapons, ammo and gear.

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[Frances1947]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
I looked to see if this topic was posted anywhere and did not find it... I see this story is all over the web and did not find it here.

I am not sure if it is true or not...lets see if we can find out.

This is very interesting. I am trying to find out if this is true.. if it is wow...

Much love to us all

James Holmes' likely murders overshadow father Robert Holmes' Libor testimony.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sOUeQwmG-M

A thread in the Tree of Liberty Forum

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...d.php?t=167191

July 25, 2012 Colorado Massacre Linked To Historic Bank Fraud By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1600.htm

Holmes's Father Is Anti-Fraud Scientist 0 Don Bauder, July 20, 2012

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblog...aud-scientist/

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Kimberly,

I read the links and there seems to be facts mixed with unsubstantiated claims.

Robert M. Holmes Jr is James E. Holmes father. He has an impressive educational background in Mathematics and Statistics having graduated from Stanford, UC LA, and finally UC Berkeley with a PhD in 1981.

His LinkedIn info shows that he has worked at HNC / Fair Isaac Co since 2000 as a lead scientist in computer programming applications.

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There are claims in the linked pages for which I can find no basis in fact:

1) Fair Isaac (FICO) is scheduled to testify in Libor issue in Congress
2) Robert Holmes will be testifying for his employer
3) Robert Holmes has written software that can trace the money in the Libor issue


As a former computer programmer, I can tell you that the first thing all new employees are told is: "Don't forget . . you can be hit by a truck at any time."

Basically, it is imperative that the knowledge of any and all programmers code is shared among several employees to ensure that the progams will be run and maintained in the event that something happens to the primary programmer.

Therefore, even if it could be proven that Fair Isaac was scheduled to testify and that Robert Holmes was going to testify for FICO, it would still not make sense that the tragic event involving his son would prevent the testimony. Fair Isaac would simply have another employee testify instead.

[Frances1947]

Rahkyt,

Even if I knew for sure that Robert Holmes / Fair Isaac was scheduled to testify in the Libor Congressional hearings, (which I don't) . . .I don't think the tragic events surrounding his son would change anything as Fair Isaac would have another employee testify instead. (see my post to Kimberly)

As far as the $ to pay for the weapons, explosives, etc., it seems possible to have come from the $26,000 paid to Holmes by the US taxpayers as a grant to pursue the research / study at the university.

What I am wondering is why the University psychiatrist Holmes was seeing did not catch warning signs and, at the very least, did not check on the substantial number of (explosive) deliveries Holmes was having sent to the University.

[Rahkyt]

Good questions, Frances! And thanks for clearing up the money aspect, I was not aware of that source. If he was as poor a student as everybody seems to be coming out and saying he was, I guess he figured he would go out with a bang instead of facing his failure to live up to the standard his Pops seems to have represented to him in his own pursuits.

The psychiatrist being proactive might presume her or him actually caring to look into the issue deeper. Perhaps that individual is thinking twice these days about the efficacy of his or her practice.

[Marsila]

Posted by Frances1947 (here)
Rahkyt,

Even if I knew for sure that Robert Holmes / Fair Isaac was scheduled to testify in the Libor Congressional hearings, (which I don't) . . .I don't think the tragic events surrounding his son would change anything as Fair Isaac would have another employee testify instead. (see my post to Kimberly)

As far as the $ to pay for the weapons, explosives, etc., it seems possible to have come from the $26,000 paid to Holmes by the US taxpayers as a grant to pursue the research / study at the university.

What I am wondering is why the University psychiatrist Holmes was seeing did not catch warning signs and, at the very least, did not check on the substantial number of (explosive) deliveries Holmes was having sent to the University.

Wait!! I am confused.
Was the grant given to this boy or to the psychiatrist studying him? sorry i don't have any other English language source but

here it says

"Mr. Holmes was a psychiatric patient of Dr. Fenton, and his communications with her are protected," the filing said.

and then
Fenton, medical director for student mental health services of the University of Colorado-Denver Anschutz Medical Campus, provides medication and psychotherapy for graduate students in addition to her teaching responsibilities, according to a school website.

A professional biography of Fenton posted on the site said she had conducted research on schizophrenia, including a two-year grant to work in the schizophrenia research department of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs from 2008 to 2010

It also says he sent this lady was sent a sketch by him detailing his shoot out plans. If this is true, as contradictory as it sounds, it is a cry for help, as people who really want to kill don't announce it, and to the person who is supposed to help him.

...onto another thing, didn't a few links say eyewitnesses said whoever shot was masked...wearing riot gear...so they never saw the face, and that there could have been a second shooter. I can't find the links right now, but at the end of the day i am much more interested in who benefits from this,than who did it and why. (along with the LIBOR...sort of reminds me of the shoot out in France that was meant to save Sarkozy's re-election but didn't tbh.)

bumping this ...be sure to look at Robert Holmes linked-in profile in the first link Target posted and then in the second link is a photo of Robert Holmes getting off the plane in Colorado...good possibility it is the same person...by looking at the pictures...

I don't know if it is the same person, but my heart goes out to him, like it does to all the families of the dead, he's a victim of tptw just like everyone else.

Edit to Add some links i don't know how reliable the first is, but a lot here already know the second and it is good.

http://urbanintell.com/2012/07/23/the-bigger-picture/

http://americankabuki.blogspot.ch/20...-same-man.html

it doesn't matter if his father wasn't that important...if others could testify to, you only need to make an example of one person for others to be scared.

[Kimberley]

Frances1947 and all yes, yes there are many "unsubstantiated claims". As I stated from the beginning I do not know what is true or not... we are trying to find out and put the true puzzle pieces together...

I still do not have solid proof that the James Holmes linked-in profile is reall the father of James? does anyone else know for sure that this is fact? I sure do not... Although intuitively if feels like it is very, very likely that this is true...

For me this forum is a place for us to work together and snoop out the truth...if and when we can...it is very fun for me to put the puzzle pieces together... that is the game I am playing and it is fun to play it with all of us... whether we agree or not... we all get to create our own picture... and that is fun...

Much love!!!

[Frances1947]

Marsila,

Actually, both James Holmes and the psychiatrist who was treating him receved grants so I can see why you are confused.

James Holmes grant:
Holmes was awarded a prestigious grant from the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md. NIH is part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It gave the graduate student a $26,000 stipend and paid his tuition for the highly competitive neuroscience program at the University of Colorado in Denver. Holmes was one of six neuroscience students at the school to get the grant money.
Link to news article with more info:

http://www.examiner.com/article/did-...-people-aurora

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The Psychiatrist, Dr Lynne Fenton, was treating Holmes.
She had received a grant to study Schizophrenia (2008 - 2010), and is currently working on 3 Schizophrenia / pharma projects.
Here is link to her Bio:

http://www.cusomgateway.com/uploaded...0Biosketch.pdf

excerpt from above Bio:

Current Research Projects:

Reward Processing in Schizophrenia: the Effects of Aripiprazole and Risperidone.
A functional MRI investigation. 2008-present

False Pattern Recognition in Schizophrenia. Involvement of the dopaminergic reward system.
2009 - present.

Functional MRI Correlates of Overeating in Schizophrenia Treated with Olanzapine.
2009 - present

E. GRANTS AND CONTRACTS
Associate Investigator Award, Department of Veterans Affairs
Schizophrenia Research Department
2008-2010

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It really hurts a lot to even consider the possiblity that Holmes could have been manipulated to do those horrible things to prevent testimony in the Libor scandal.

Such tragedy all around . . . . Perhaps there were adverse affects from medications prescribed by the Psychiatrist who was "caring" for Holmes ?

[Kristo]

My son texted last night and said his co-worker (Aurora murder victim's brother) walked into work acting like nothing ever happened. Granted, the poor kid is probably in the 'Shock' phase of the death-acceptance process, but curious he was several states away, back at work, business as usual. My wise, aware, old-soul son exclaimed, "Mom, he doesn't even know his brother was most likely killed by someone who is under Mind Control!!!" Gotta love my Old Soul boy

Posted by Kristo (here)
Hey Kimberley,
I will definitely ask if he has gotten any more details. I was also wondering if this was a staged event or real. Hearing this from Dre makes me believe it did happen. I'm sure the boy he works with is in mourning and may be taking time off work to handle things. I will report any info as it comes....

Much Love,
Kris

Posted by Kimberley (here)

Posted by Kristo (here)
Thanks for bringing this to our attention Kimberley. Interesting. My son works with a guy whose brother was killed at the Aurora shooting Senseless....

Kristo can you tell us more please!!! I am still not believing if this has all really happened or not so second hand information is greatly appreciated!!!

And Fred in response to your post of

By and bye, I was shocked to see our very own Bill Ryan flash across the scene at the 8:15 mark.

I do not know what you are talking about?? Bill was not mentioned at the 8:15 mark???

Much love!!!

[Frances1947]

Kimberly,

I am positive that this linked-in public profile is the father of James E. Holmes.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

1. Major media (like this one)

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/natio...163440756.html

have been reporting that he works for Fair Isaac and some have also been reporting the educational background listed in the profile.

2. The dates fit. I found two news articles about his family from the Northern Cal area where I live.

Robert Holmes parents taught at the York School in Monterey and Robert and his brother James both graduated from that school. Robert graduated in 1969, the same year listed on his profile that he started at Stanford. (Robert's mom also went to Stanford in the 1940's !)

http://www.contracostatimes.com/rss/...710?source=rss


Robert's linked in profile shows he started at HNC in 2000 and continued at Fair Isaac in 2002 until present (Fair Isaac merged with HNC in 2002). This fits with information from Monterey County news articles which stated that the family owned a home near Castroville between 1995 and 2000 . James attended Castroville schools between kindergarten and 6th grade and then family moved back to San Diego (when Robert started at HNC)

http://www.montereyherald.com/news/c...chool-monterey

Also the 2nd link in Marsila's post above is very good . . . (THANKS MARSILA)

[Frances1947]

Posted by Frances1947 (here)
Kimberly,

I am positive that this linked-in public profile is the father of James E. Holmes.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

1. Major media (like this one)

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/natio...163440756.html

have been reporting that he works for Fair Isaac and some have also been reporting the educational background listed in the profile.

2. The dates fit. I found two news articles about his family from the Northern Cal area where I live.

Robert Holmes parents taught at the York School in Monterey and Robert and his brother James both graduated from that school. Robert graduated in 1969, the same year listed on his profile that he started at Stanford. (Robert's mom also went to Stanford in the 1940's !)

http://www.contracostatimes.com/rss/...710?source=rss


Robert's linked in profile shows he started at HNC in 2000 and continued at Fair Isaac in 2002 until present (Fair Isaac merged with HNC in 2002). This fits with information from Monterey County news articles which stated that the family owned a home near Castroville between 1995 and 2000 . James attended Castroville schools between kindergarten and 6th grade and then family moved back to San Diego (when Robert started at HNC)

http://www.montereyherald.com/news/c...chool-monterey

Also the 2nd link in Marsila's post above is very good . . . (THANKS MARSILA)

( So I did some more research analysis and came up with the following for any who are interested :>)

Marsila's post points us to:

"American Kabuki" webpage http://americankabuki.blogspot.ch/20...-same-man.html

which in turn points us to Sorcha Faal's July 25th webpage:

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_d...p?q=1343231885

Which as far as I can tell is really the Origin of the LIBOR / HOLMES connnection conspiracy theory:

Excerpts from Ms. Faal's page include the following:

"A highly disturbing Ministry of Finance report on the largest bank fraud in history that is circulating in the Kremlin today warns that it is “within the realm of possibility” that the shocking movie massacre in Colorado this past week is but another “integral part” in the deliberate plan put in place by Western banking elites and their allies to collapse the global economy....
Ministry intelligence officials note in this report that it is “no coincidence” that this Colorado massacre occurred within minutes of London’s Guardian News Service releasing their shocking report this past Saturday (21 July) titled “Wealth Doesn't trickle Down – It Just Floods Offshore, Research Reveals” as Robert Holmes algorithms were said used to discover this massive fraud scheme."

The Kremlin report Ms Faal cites is NOT to be found anywhere (at least by me.) The specific alleged details that, in my mind, that remain UNproven, are:

1)" report says, . . . his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history ..."

2) " Holmes recently completed his work on what is called one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed that not only uncovered the true intent of this massive fraud, but is, also, able to trace the Trillions of Dollars “lost” to the exact bank accounts of the elite classes who have stolen it."

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Cortonic Neural Network

Much has been implied about the Cortonic Neural Network system patented by HNC (which merged with Fair Isaac in 2002)

HNC's April 2002 Patent for Cortronic Neural Networks: http://www.google.com/patents/US6366897

Very Interesting 1999 article on HNC (last paragraph most relevant to C Neural Networks) http://www.leavcom.com/hm_hnc.htm

(Nothing that I can see in the description of HNC's CNN that makes any connection to Ms. Faal's allegations above )

There are a lot of commercial Neural Network software applications . . see http://www.alyuda.com/index.html

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San Diego and Monterey Ca areas are both centers for the Defense Industry. Many companies that worked on military computer applications have branched out into commercial computer applications like HNC.

Both James E. Holmes father (Robert Mason Holmes, Jr.), and grandfather (Robert Mason Holmes, Sr) were associated with the military.

Robert Jr. grew up in Monterey area; graduated from UC Berkeley in 1981; and was in San Diego in 1987 when his son was born.
In 87/ 88 he co-authored two books on statistical subjects. Navy Personnel Research and Development Center, San Diego was the "corporate author" so I am guessing he might have been working for a Defense department (s) between in the 80s and 90s ?
(My source webpage for this is: http://janbtucker.com/blog/2012/07/2...istical-angle/

Robert Sr died in 1990 and Robert Jr returned to Monterey area in the 90's (not sure where he worked but he lived only 20 minutes from Fort Ord and other Monterey area naval departments, and then returned to San Diego to work for HNC in 2000.


Bottom line . . .until someone can find proof . . I can't make the leap of faith to Ms. Faal's " Kremlin report" based conspiracy theory or the related Mind Control theories .

[Marsila]

Dear Frances1947, take a lot of what Sorcha Faal says with a grain, ...no..a mouthful of salt, i think there are many links here about him and his real name.

Otherwise the guy running the Americankabuki blog, isn't bad at all, and i like the comments on his blog to, as many are intelligent.

however now remembering about QIBOR which they probably want to replace the LIBOR with (hence this whole out of the blue 'shock' at Barclays), am starting to wonder if this was about banks, not trying to tell the masses 'see doesn't matter how smart you are...we can still do this, actually we will target the most intelligent first, to make sure the threats are removed, and we're still on top ...' just an extra thought about this event.

[Frances1947]

Posted by Marsila (here)
Dear Frances1947, take a lot of what Sorcha Faal says with a grain, ...no..a mouthful of salt, i think there are many links here about him and his real name.

Otherwise the guy running the Americankabuki blog, isn't bad at all, and i like the comments on his blog to, as many are intelligent.

however now remembering about QIBOR which they probably want to replace the LIBOR with (hence this whole out of the blue 'shock' at Barclays), am starting to wonder if this was about banks, not trying to tell the masses 'see doesn't matter how smart you are...we can still do this, actually we will target the most intelligent first, to make sure the threats are removed, and we're still on top ...' just an extra thought about this event.

Yes . . .found this on Wikipedia:

"Sorcha Faal is the alleged author of an ongoing series of "reports" published at WhatDoesItMean.com, whose work is of such quality that even other conspiracy nutters don't think much of it. There is a high chance that "Sorcha Faal" is actually David Booth, the owner/operator of the website, or someone collaborating with him. The character "Sorcha Faal" is supposed to be a female Russian scientist, about whom none of the corroborating details check out (work, academic affiliations, etc). To boot, "her" name isn't even Russian."

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Well, I learned not to believe much of what I read on blogs and am glad I spent the time to reseach the Holmes family because I felt I needed to understand . . . at least a little bit . . the unspeakable tragedy of James E. Holmes.

The financial industry imho are a bunch of crooks and our "goverment" is letting them get away with stealing and lying.

But unless some other real "facts" are disclosed, I think the Holmes tragedy occured due to a combination of a brilliant intellect, mental illness, the power of the internet to provide information on weaponry and to purchase weapons, the ability of the mentally ill to purchase assualt weapons . . and possibly prescribed medications that exacerbated the tragic situation.

[Frances1947]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
I looked to see if this topic was posted anywhere and did not find it... I see this story is all over the web and did not find it here.

I am not sure if it is true or not...lets see if we can find out.

This is very interesting. I am trying to find out if this is true.. if it is wow...

Much love to us all

James Holmes' likely murders overshadow father Robert Holmes' Libor testimony.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sOUeQwmG-M

A thread in the Tree of Liberty Forum

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...d.php?t=167191

July 25, 2012 Colorado Massacre Linked To Historic Bank Fraud By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1600.htm

Holmes's Father Is Anti-Fraud Scientist 0 Don Bauder, July 20, 2012

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblog...aud-scientist/

See Batman massacre who why how

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news...manwhohow.html

[Paul]

Posted by Frances1947 (here)
See Batman massacre who why how

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news...manwhohow.html

Interesting ... thanks!

[Kimberley]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Frances1947 (here)
See Batman massacre who why how

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news...manwhohow.html

Interesting ... thanks!

Yes thanks!! Great find!! I highly recommend reading this article!!

[Marsila]

Thanks of that link France1947, i was going to ask if anyone can confirm this from the first link i posted with another source, and you did so thanks.

"Movie theater staff won’t even allow personal snacks into a theater…so how did Holmes sneak all of his ballistic equipment into the theater? Eyewitness, Corbin Dates, told reporters, “I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway…and it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way.” Corbin also said, “the person seemed to be “signaling somebody” or “looking for somebody to come his way…as soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place.” Emergency door exit ??? Emergency exit doors at movie theater have alarms on them. When you open the door, the alarm goes off! There were no reports of an alarm sounding when the shooter burst into the theater. Why didn’t the alarm go off at the theater that night?"

though 2 things about this...i know a lot people are going on about the nose, and human noses and ears, usually grow a bit bigger not smaller with age, but that drug scopolomine, could have been used to drug him and force a rhinoplasy on him..who knows?

also from the link on Frances1947 post,

The ruling crime families of trillionaire royals and banksters are conscienceless. They don't care who they have to deceive, abuse, rob or sacrifice to achieve their one world government New World Order agenda.

this is so true and we already know....what i don't get is when you go to the readers comments on the mainstream US websites it's as if so many of these comments are saying
"we want this guy killed in a violent way, because killing people with violence is wrong and we disapprove of it" how did it so easily happen, that a lot of people are unconscious of what they themselves are saying or thinking and the only tools ever used on them were words, not drugs or anything, like on this guy...sigh