Adventures Beyond the Body

[danceblackcatdance]

Really enjoying reading this thread and peoples experiences... like Waky i have been trying to get oobe for a few weeks now and getting impatient! but i guess thats not the best approach

love to all

[TraineeHuman]

Some people who have travelled OOB a few times try to kind of force it happen again. Then they get disappointed if it doesn’t work. I don’t believe such people have somehow lost their touch. For one thing, as I think Fred Steeves and sirdipswitch have said, the use of force kind of goes directly against subtly letting go of your five physical senses.

But it seems to me that it’s also important for a person to have sufficient motivation to use OOB travel. Otherwise, they’ll subconsciously stop themselves from doing it again, I believe. Maybe that motivation is to help other people, or themselves.

For a while I guess it’s fascinating to visit the subatomic world, where everything is a stark red or black, and there’s a fierce and dangerous-feeling rawness everywhere – and beings who seem to be much more intelligent than humans. Or to travel through the world where nothing exists but symbols. Or to travel through all sorts of landscapes which don’t look anything remotely like the landscapes we see on a tourist bus – and sometimes to have no idea what sort of world it is, or even to know that it’s a world in timelessness, say. But the novelty value of the exotic only lasts for so long – or it did so for me. And I never got to see any of those “landscapes” just for entertainment. I got to experience all the intensely enjoyable bits as a byproduct of trying to do, or learn to do, something seriously useful.

Also, my experience was that I just naturally somehow took skills and points of view that OOB travel taught me and incorporated them into my life. In my case, I incorporated them into psychotherapeutic work on others and on myself. They also worked for something like public speaking, for instance, because I could make my 5D body apparently expand to encompass everybody in a room, say. Then they would listen to whatever I said with interest, because it would seem to each of the people in the room as if the ideas and feelings I wanted to convey were coming from inside of themselves.

I’m not sure if a person will let themselves travel OOB regularly unless they have a strong and passionate thirst for some certain type of knowledge/experience that comes from higher dimensions. Once they get that knowledge, why continue going OOB? Only, I suspect, because of a thirst for further such knowledge/experience.

After about six years, the only OOB travel I became interested in doing regularly was the kind where I no longer had any body. That was in formless worlds, where I was like an infinitely small point.

Also, for me the type of knowledge/experience I gained always seemed to eventually lead to the perception that it felt better and truer and more satisfying not to look at the scenery. The most satisfying thing was Source, as another bob’s post #35 explains, and nothing more seemed to be needed. But I didn’t need to go fully out of body to cultivate my awareness of Source any more.

[danceblackcatdance]

i guess impatience is def not worth it then.. anyways, just reading about it had been pretty enlightening for me... i do have a serious thirst for knowledge / experience, but mainly feel it would be nice to know what to do at time of death etc...

[another bob]

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
it would be nice to know what to do at time of death

Let go.


Blessings!

[rmauersr]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
it would be nice to know what to do at time of death

Let go.


Blessings!

And just maybe, stop laughing at yourself for all that you thought was serious.

[another bob]

Posted by rmauersr (here)

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
it would be nice to know what to do at time of death

Let go.


Blessings!

And just maybe, stop laughing at yourself for all that you thought was serious.

An excellent book that might help to illuminate the after-death perspective is Nanci Danison's "Backwards: Returning to Our Source for Answers".

[danceblackcatdance]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
it would be nice to know what to do at time of death

Let go.


Blessings!

thank you.. thats seems sound advice, i was with my stepfather and grandmother when they finally crossed over.. both seemed to have great difficulty letting go, that in itself was a lesson!

will check out Nanci Danison's book Blessings back!!

[Tenzin]

Thank you, another bob, for the book share, found it online. And the other book of his too.

Sound technology like Hemi Sync and Solfeggio are able to thrust me out of the body but not quite entirely, feeling myself lifting off with a complete lost of directional sense but always seems to get stuck at some distance 'above'. Other forms of meditation are able to induce almost similar experience but the time before actual sleep is always the strongest, I believe owing to the state of complete relaxation, but still staying aware. I tend to get uncontrollable eye flickerings and sometimes numb fingers.

Blockage? Insufficient energy? Anyone has got any clue?

I realised the Buddhist practice of mindfulness helps a lot in the exit initiation phase.

[another bob]

Posted by Tenzin (here)
Sound technology like Hemi Sync and Solfeggio are able to thrust me out of the body but not quite entirely, feeling myself lifting off with a complete lost of directional sense but always seems to get stuck at some distance 'above'.

Hello, my Friend!

Buhlman offers several practical suggestions, including asking for clarity, or stability, for example. My Friend who has mastered the art recommends, upon separating from the physical vehicle, to immediately affirm, "I go to my Higher Self!" In that way, he has learned to bypass the intermediate zones. Moreover, it can work both ways, so in meditation, I will ask my Higher Self to come to me. Humorously enough, I'm immediately reminded that "I am always with you." The fact that I am not always fully mindful of that fact, and so easily distracted, just shows me how much work I have still to do.

[rmauersr]

Back in the mid 90's I was fortunate to be offered a large discount for a week long program at the Monroe Institute, their Gateway program. Gateway is for beginners, a requirement before taking other week long specialized programs. Most everyone in the group was hoping (expecting?) an out of body experience but I do not remember anyone saying that it was their experience. But as we were informed at the beginning, the week long retreat was not designed to create an out of body experience.

The group was asked to give up our watches while in the program. The whole week was spent eating delicious food, very light activities, participating in debriefing sessions, and listening to Hemi-Sync while resting (maybe I was sleeping) in a bed completely surrounded by walls and a curtain to shelter each of us from external stimulus.

The founder of Hemi-Sync and the Monroe Institute, Bob Monroe, was still alive then and would sometimes tell the group some of his very interesting stories. Bob authored several books about his experience. Journeys Out Of The Body, Ultimate Journey and Far Journeys.

Some of the participants had peak experiences during the Hemi-Sync sessions. I remember one business executive, a golfer, who received a week session as a gift from someone. He was very bored and said he had no idea why he accepted the gift or why he was participating. During the debriefing meeting after each Hemi-Sync session, he had a standard answer. He said that he had no experience. He was bored so he spent the entire session visualizing he was at a driving range hitting golf balls into the darkness. Then one day he changed completely. With great excitement he said "Someone is hitting the golf balls back!" We were all amused.

My peak experience during a Hemi-Sync session was (OBE?) being outside during a crystal clear night and flying up to the stars. As I went higher I realized some of stars were in arranged in the outline of an eagle's head. Flying through the head and beyond I felt incredible love and realized that I could choose any adventure I desired.

My sister's peak experience, one that she could repeat at will for several years, was to see energy patterns of colored lights around all of nature, including the grass.

The Monroe Institute is an interesting place. Some well known people have participated including General Bert Stubblebine. Some weeks have been reserved for "government only". I wonder what they were up to.

Some Hemi-Sync sessions are available on CD.

[TraineeHuman]

Danceblackcatdance, I can understand why you see OOB travel as a great preparation for death. It’s even a type of rehearsal for death, of course, at least in the sense of letting go of one’s body. It seems to me, though, that the best way to be prepared for death is to very deeply understand the nature of death. And doing that doesn’t necessarily involve doing any OOB travel.

On a couple of occasions in the past I’ve made posts on the Forum saying things like “the essence of true meditation is exactly the same thing as the essence of death,” but they’ve drawn little or no response. For that reason, I guess I won’t give more hints about what I consider the real nature of death to be, other than to say that death, and only death, is the immortal Beloved.

I’d like to comment, though, on the related issue of what the experience of “nothing” may mean. I’ve seen people undergo intensive meditation, such as in retreats, and come away with the clear experience that in reality there is “nobody” driving their body, so to speak. Some such people manage to retain this insight permanently, for the rest of their lives.

Another example of “experiencing ‘nothing’ as the essence of everything” is, I believe, quite common in experienced or “advanced” meditators (for lack of a less ugly label). However, it seems that not so many of them notice it. What I’m referring to is the experience that most of one’s body seems to have turned into empty space while one is sitting and being very much aware. I remember first noticing this around forty years ago. It seemed as if there were only my elbows, my feet, part of my head, -- and in between I saw a dark hole. On that occasion I had to pat myself all over to quickly check to make sure I still had a chest and so on. These days I’m long ago used to having over half of my body seem to disappear, where I am directly experiencing it as having turned into “nothing”.

Let me now offer my explanation of what such “nothing” really means, or is. Firstly, let’s consider the more mundane situation where you are totally absorbed in some activity. If you are absorbed fully enough, you forget all about yourself. Although the fact is that you are still very much there, your consciousness of “yourself” has been replaced by – well, the experience of “nothing”, or of clarity. I’d just like to point out -- again, sorry to be boring -- that you are still very much there. And that the whole direct experience that “who/what you are is actually pure ‘nothing’” is in fact a kind of illusion in a way a little like an optical illusion.

Similarly, I claim, whenever an individual – through deep meditation or an NDE or profound awareness – “discovers” that their deepest nature is “pure nothing”, actually what they are doing is a complete union with everything (or, if you like, with Source).

OK, it may not be obvious how this is relevant to deeply understanding the true nature of death. But everybody needs to uncover that true nature for themselves, so I guess I’ll stop here.

[markpierre]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Let me now offer my explanation of what such “nothing” really means, or is. Firstly, let’s consider the more mundane situation where you are totally absorbed in some activity. If you are absorbed fully enough, you forget all about yourself. Although the fact is that you are still very much there, your consciousness of “yourself” has been replaced by – well, the experience of “nothing”, or of clarity. I’d just like to point out -- again, sorry to be boring -- that you are still very much there. And that the whole direct experience that “who/what you are is actually pure ‘nothing’” is in fact a kind of illusion in a way a little like an optical illusion.

That was really well articulated Trainee. You thought that was the boring part? I think it's because that at that point in the story it seems like everyone has stopped listening. Mostly they have. It's incomprehensible.
I don't want to acknowledge so much the association with OOB and personal spiritual development. I don't believe either of those are anything apart from any individual's undoing process.
People need to understand and appreciate that simple mindfulness in whatever they're doing is the fastest track really available to anyone.
Well, that's what this experience of changing energy is.

But you illuminate the real goal when you're brave enough to talk about it. I think that paragraph was important. That feeling of dissociation from the conceptual use of mind where everything does 'disappear' in the sense that it's then allowed to be what it really is.
That may well include the dissolution of what are merely imaginings. What isn't there isn't available to evaluate. Including a self identity. Including physical bodies?
But it doesn't exclude a sense of self.
The FEELING as completely distinct from emotion is the remarkable part of the experience, or my experience with it. Clarity I would describe as a feeling if I'm compelled to describe it. The experience is so different and complete.
When it occurs in the mundane and in it's contrast, I couldn't think of what more to ask for to 'feel' fulfilled.
Inclusion I would regard as feeling, that idea of 'oneness'. 'Willing' I would regard as feeling as well.
It's interesting about will. There is a single universal will that my individuation (however delusional) fully participates in. It's quite astounding. There is never an absence of a self. I'm always and forever 'me'. And thankfully!
No matter how much we learn to manifest what we think we want, we'll never avoid manifesting what we need. The experience itself, not the evaluator of it.
Our deepest fears are groundless. Rapture or "The Rapture' is an exquisitely appropriate term.

I think it's relevant to understanding death, to fully understand that human consciousness and experience doesn't really represent what life is. Not even vaguely. Only in those stirrings that eventuate into the desire and then the action of becoming it. Not in the thoughts or the information. In moments of stillness or the expressions of love to degrees. Ever increasing clarity. Death we can regard as one of those illusions. Even as an escape or an avoidance. No matter how many times we transcend this experience, or how many times I 'die', I find myself here. And I'm still me.
'Here' must be the missing component if something is missing.
If any of us feel something missing, I'd let the pull of the current that the world seems to be caught in show you the purpose for that.
We don't have to participate overtly, but we do need to recognize how it's an effect of our thinking. Not 'someone else's' thinking.
A whole new world is contingent on an entirely different way of thinking, not thinking better thoughts. Just as 'enlightenment' is a different application of mind..
Be aware when you're using transcendence or even death, to avoid rather than to enhance awareness. Death is nothing different than passing from this room to that one. It's not a passage,
or an achievement. Just another new set of experiences.

Really great post Trainee. You deserve to bask in some clarity.

[Jenci]

"Why do you put an obstacle to your freedom by saying you will have in at some point in the future........why not collapse your time-thinking now!"

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njgA9lMxajw

[mountain_jim]

Just noticed this thread today.

Thanks to the recs of sirdipswitch elsewhere in forum, I also purchased the 2 Buhlman books, and have started (intermittently between other material) the first one.

I was immediately interested to read his descriptions of the vibrational state prior to first leaving' which I have experienced off and on for many years after first awakening of what I understood to be the Kundalini flow up my spine, later the loud roaring sounds in head effect, which smoothed out later as obstructions burned away.

I always knew I was 'close' to exiting my body, I also knew 'something' was holding me back, and presumed it was a body-mind tension fearful of losing it's control.

Throughout all this time, I also had experiences, common during the early, entry part of many a nap, which I also found described in the early chapters of the first book where I am partially in my body and partially out, with an internal (pineal?) visual awareness or view of my body from an external point or othertimes some other location view, such as my house roof from several hundred feet up, or my body slumped against the window of a company car from 100 feet up or so while napping on the job.

Since starting to read this book this is getting stronger and clearer, and I expect at some point now the stopping point is resolved and the further explorations begin.

I have also had, during a few powerful shamanic experiences, the experience of traveling both out of body and to an event not at the current time, but only for a few perceived minutes or so. One of these, humorously enough, was where I (and my trip partner) went from a rock 1/2 way up the canyon in Zion National Park to in the audience at the Grateful Dead concert at Giza, (our local departure time) about 2 weeks after the time in 1978 the concerts had happened.

At the time I wished I was there and felt I should have been, what I learned that night was that I was/am there, and everywhere else I might ever wish strongly enough to be, once I opened up fully to these possibilities.



Grateful Dead, Giza Sound and Light Theater (1978)

[Dennis Leahy]

Curious if anyone here has read the e-book put out on OBE by Avalon member Jake:

http://thebookofjacob.webs.com

If so, (and especially if you have read Buhlman or others in the genre), please tell us what you think of the material.

Dennis

[danceblackcatdance]

i have Dennis, but not all the way through yet in detail, is interesting in itself.. obviously the experiences and observations are purely Jake's... i found Bulhman's books to be more useful in terms of being clearly instructional and myriad reports from other people..... 'The Book of Jacob' is a good read though and will definitely go through it properly at some point.

also found this School of Out-of-Body Travel (SOBT) A Practical Guidebook (Version II, October 2011) which goes into mad detail... maybe even too much, but i've only had a few body vibrations so don't know that much about it all to comment (yet)

[Fred Steeves]

Well then, as long as our old friend Jake has been brought up again, this most excellent song by Queensryche was talked about at some length is his thread from last summer. Funny how our perception changes, when that song came out back in the early 90's, I had no freakin clue that they were talking about leaving the body. Nor would I have really cared anyway. I'd say they were a bit ahead of the curve on general awareness of this subject.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbNC1vTZRg

[mountain_jim]

Here's a (not pristine sounding) rip from vinyl of an album - (I also had this one from the 70's) and a song from Paul Kantner

Baron von Tollbooth & the Chrome Nun is an album by Paul Kantner, Grace Slick, and David Freiberg from Jefferson Airplane. The album was released at the same time as Thirty Seconds Over Winterland. All the members of Jefferson Airplane make an appearance on the album, but on most of the tracks Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead performs lead guitar and Chris Ethridge of the Flying Burrito Brothers performs bass. The album cover was illustrated by Drew Struzan under the direction of Ernie Cefalu.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thciHZ8Ve4

Your Mind Has Left Your Body

You have left your body be aware if you care
Your mind has left your body and for this one moment you are

Under the polar ice cap in a place we call home
How is it there white bear like that where you grow...

Now all of you come back to here and now elsewhen to there
Move on out the other way where...
Do you find yourself floating growing there

[Chorus]

Riders of the rainbow
Let it grow let it grow

You can exercise your mind on where you want to go
And y'can see the city lights flashin' two thousand miles below you

You can feel the sands of Zanzibar or pierce the nearest sun
Find out what and who you are and if you need to run


[Chorus]

Riders of the rainbow
Let it grow let it grow

There is one moment in your life and it can come at any time
And you remember all of what went on from the instant you were born
Thru your early years

And if you can fasten on that moment and expand thru the afterglow
You can reverse your mind in time and travel back to when

The earth was formed
The sky was born
And the universe began

[Chorus]

Riders of the rainbow
Let it grow let it grow


You have left your body
Return when you may

Save it for another day... beyond you

[Sloppyjoe]

I've been wanting to do an OBE for many years, and I've gotten close but the damn vibrations scare the crap out of me. It's hard for me to admit it, but fear has been the main reason I haven't gone through it, fear of the unknown. But I know that after the first time I do it i'll want to do it over and over again! Can anyone shed some light for me?

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Sloppyjoe (here)
I've been wanting to do an OBE for many years, and I've gotten close but the damn vibrations scare the crap out of me. It's hard for me to admit it, but fear has been the main reason I haven't gone through it, fear of the unknown. But I know that after the first time I do it i'll want to do it over and over again! Can anyone shed some light for me?

Apparently, I can not, as it seems I have been mostly stuck at the same point as you.

Even when totally accepting of the energy vibration rushes I have stayed tethered, and I know where - the belly chakra area.

I can see a small image from a remote spot, but I am still 'in', so far. Except in a few instances where shamanic, plant-induced experiences helped reduce my fear and body-control to near zero.

But with what Buhlman's writings are stimulating/inducing that's changing, I intend and expect.