Fluoridation of Salt - WTF ?

[Maia Gabrial]

I have sea salt. But I also have regular salt that has potassium iodide! That's something that's needed for preventing radiation from sticking to our innards, right?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I have sea salt. But I also have regular salt that has potassium iodide! That's something that's needed for preventing radiation from sticking to our innards, right?

Well, they add it to prevent iodine deficiencies which can badly affect your thyroid.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Lefty Dave (here)
http://www.zengardner.com/beware-fluoridated-salt/

I just read this piece and couldn't believe it. Who would do this? How is this going to fight cavities...which has always been the main reason given for adding fluoride into our water?

Is this being sold in your country? I would appreciate hearing from you in this regard.

Blessings

Wow, they are really hell-bent on jamming our pineal glands, aren't they!

After a bit of research, it seems that the pink Himalayan salt is one of the best. Someone posted (somewhere, I can't remember where) to avoid the pink Himalayan because it "contains naturally occurring fluoride", and so I wrote to the company I bought from and asked if this was true. They sent a certificate of analysis report: no fluoride (and other trace elements were listed down to parts per million.)

I'm sure the pink Himalayan is imported by most countries that import salt, but here's a US-based company that sells it: San Francisco Bath Salts Company. The salt I buy is food-grade "Sherpa Pink", and yes, you can throw it in bath water as well as sprinkle it on your food. Get the finest grind available - even then, you will need a mortar and pestle or blender to powder it.

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
I was told by a British dentist in the 1980s that many years before, it was noticed that tooth decay was worse in some parts of the country than in others. Once variations in diet were ruled out, it was found that minute amounts of naturally-occurring fluoride absorbed by water from the underlying rocks appeared to protect against tooth decay. Since these minute amounts seemed to have no measurable ill effects (and appeared to have been drunk harmlessly for thousands of years) it was decided to add similarly minute amounts to water as the reduction in tooth decay was significant.
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Neither of these additions sound particularly sinister to me; I don't know anyone who has suffered from fluoride poisoning - unless all the cases are being 'hushed up' by TPTB. Too much fluoride ...is toxic...

Nick, if you do a bit more research, you'll find scientists that say fluoride is the #1 cause of bone cancer, and that the primary spot of accumulation in the human body is the pineal gland. Almost no fluoride is deposited onto teeth by drinking fluoridated water, and most scientists on both sides of the argument admit that. If you are talking about a direct application of fluoride to your teeth, then that is a different story... but even then, it makes little sense to introduce a deadly toxin into the human body, to keep teeth from cavities. Here's how that really works:

1.) fluoride actually etches your tooth enamel, removing some enamel (the hardest substance in your body) and replacing it with fluoride. Yes, it is harder than enamel, but is not deposited in a thin sheet all over the tooth surface. Think of the speckles in granite, the deposits are more like that. And the fluoride deposits are not permanent, although the etching of the enamel is. (You'll know that "speckled granite" analogy is accurate when you see photos of dental fluorosis.)

2.) fluoride is a deadly toxin, killing whatever it touches - including mouth bacteria (both beneficial and detrimental.) The detrimental bacteria (which could have just as easily been killed by salt water gargle or hydrogen peroxide - sans the toxicity) can help cavities form. But, you wouldn't use nerve gas to kill the mosquitoes on your porch, why use one of the most toxic elements/compounds on Earth to kill mouth bacteria?

"Skeletal fluorosis" and "dental fluorosis" as search terms will have you busy reading about the detrimental effects of fluoride. Because of skeletal fluorosis, young children are never supposed to have fluoride, and there are adamant warnings about NOT mixing baby formula with fluoridated water.

Even if some pro-fluoride literature is convincing to some, you would not coat your teeth with lead or arsenic, right? Why coat your teeth with something much more toxic than either?

Finally, where there is a high amount of naturally occurring fluoride in water, the incidence of dental fluorosis skyrockets. Since water with natural fluoride means a highly mineralized water, we do not know what mineral (or combination) is responsible for the anecdotal reports of less cavities - maybe it's the arsenic! Without a specific study eliminating other factors, it may have nothing to with fluoride - a false positive anecdotal misattribution. There have been recent studies that prove fluoridated water does not reduce cavities.

Dennis

[Christine]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I have sea salt. But I also have regular salt that has potassium iodide! That's something that's needed for preventing radiation from sticking to our innards, right?

Hi Maia,

Potassium Iodide is one form of iodide that the body needs, notably the thyroid gland which absorbs or binds with the majority of the iodine in your blood. Other sites in the body that bind iodine are the mammary glands in woman and the prostrate in men. There are many studies on the detrimental effects on the body when there is not enough iodine in the diet.

These glands have receptor sites to hold and bind iodine. When there isn't iodine in the diet the receptor sites will bind bromide and other toxic substances. The reason potassium iodide is useful to protect against radiation is that when the thyroid has bound all the iodine it needs it will not bind with the radioactive isotope there by protecting the body. It is a specific protection to radioactive iodine and does not protect from other radioactive isotopes.

Iodized salt was introduced to protect the population from goiter - caused by lack of iodine in the diet. The best sources of iodine are organic kelp, atomodine, Lugol's iodine, nanscent iodine. Most of us lack iodine in our diets.


I hope helps to clarify things a bit.

Christine

[DeDukshyn]

Supporting links:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/index.aspx

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/fluoride.htm

[conk]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
Why would dentists buy the story 'hook and sinker'? They move around the country. They notice these things. (I suppose one could argue that dentists wouldn't have recommend if it actually worked! But I have the naive view that our government-funded health service is going to try to implement schemes that saves them money, and if adding fluoride to water in areas where none occurs naturally does that...)

Yes, I did read the dangers of fluoridated water from Michael Schachter M.D., F.A.C.A.M. et al. I'm not a medical expert, so what do I know? All I know is I don't know anyone made ill by fluoridated water. And as a child I had too many cavities. My family happened to move to a different region that had fluoride in the water and both myself, brother and sister then needed significantly fewer fillings. Only anecdotal evidence I know, but I don't think we got poisoned.

My friend, you are seriously lacking a full understanding of the dangers of this vile poison. Do more research. Start with this one: Why is the largest contributor to the American Dental Association the fertilizer industry?

[DeDukshyn]

WHO stats clearly show greatest increases in tooth health occurred in NON-FLUORIDATED countries. So all you people who say "they would'nt do it if it weren't true1" ... yes they would and here's yer proof ... note how the flouridated countries rates of improvement are lower than the non-fluoridated ones ...

Taken from an exellent site on the subject posted by me a couple posts back. Again, here: http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm

So how has fluoride helped? Simple when you look at the data ... it hasn't at all ...

[The Truth Is In There]

i don't think we need to debate the toxicity of fluoride. everyone with a bit of common sense who has looked into the matter knows it.

why then is fluoride being added to salt? because, besides being extremely toxic and a potent enzyme inhibitor, it's a halide and replaces iodine in the body, thus disrupting the endocrine system which is a sure way to destroy health, increase cancers, and reduce reproductive capacity ==> depopulation.

[Nick Matkin]

OK; I didn’t have a particularly strongly–held belief on the fluoride matter, and I am indeed coming round to the view that it is unnecessary, even dangerous. It just seems to me that people weren’t dropping like flies or behaving like zombies in the artificially fluoridated parts of the UK any more than in the rest of the country. But I am not so pig-headed that I am not open to reasoned argument and if some of the data I have seen here is accurate, then if anything the evidence for it affecting tooth decay is at best marginal.

The reasoned arguments on here seem mostly… reasoned. Graphs always look convincing, but as my partner is a statistical epidemiologist we know that if the raw data is at best poor, or at worst fixed, graphs/charts/reports can prove anything you like, especially if the data has not been peer reviewed. (Yes, I know, there are those who think that's all part of the government's data-control process.)

However, if taking the Devil’s Advocate view for a moment (i.e. assuming fluoride does significantly reduce tooth decay, but has rare and serious side effects) most of us are already familiar with that government policy when we drive our cars. Seat belts save thousands of lives per year, but there are tens if not hundreds of deaths caused by wearing them. We just have to decide at what point the costs outweigh the benefits.

I’m not convinced by the conspiratorial view that it’s used by TPTB to dumb us down, or even kill us. I mean, how could you possibly tell when the food industry already exploits peoples’ inability to choose the right food so they eat themselves to death (while providing huge profits for the food and medical industries), and much of the media feeds us such mind-numbing crap that the majority of the population are so brain-numbed they can’t even be bothered to get of their fat arses to look out of the window to see what’s happening in the Real World. Looks to me as if the job is already nearly done without fluoride!

Anyway, an ‘enlightening’ debate for me…

[bogeyman]

It is difficult to find food which hasnt been tampered with and affordable. Salt is hidden in many different types of food. It seems our way of life is underminding our health. How many toxins are in our bodies as the result of this interference. Flouridation of water was bad enough, now this. What long terms effects is this going to have on our immune system?

The link below gives some insight in floridation:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
...However, if taking the Devil’s Advocate view for a moment (i.e. assuming fluoride does significantly reduce tooth decay, but has rare and serious side effects) ...

Hi Nick,

I think it's good to recognize that the degree of manifested side effects are dependent on the amount of this toxin ingested, and that this is a cumulative toxin. So, I don't believe the word "rare" is accurate - all who have ingested this toxin have side effects; some are worse. The word "serious" of course can be debated, but even getting away from the bone cancers (the reason infants and young children are supposed to be guarded from fluoride), if our pineal gland is instrumental in metaphysical interaction, or even in dreaming, then I'd say it is serious to impair the function of that gland.

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
I’m not convinced by the conspiratorial view that it’s used by TPTB to dumb us down, or even kill us. I mean, how could you possibly tell when the food industry already exploits peoples’ inability to choose the right food so they eat themselves to death (while providing huge profits for the food and medical industries)…

If the reports that Nazis added fluoride to water in concentration camps are true, and we know that they were doing human experimentation and eugenics studies, surely there was a nefarious reason they added that toxin to the water. I doubt they knew at that time that the major organ in the human body where fluoride accumulates is the pineal gland, but suspect they must have known it would have the effect of pacifying behavior. Currently taken by millions, psychotropic anti-anxiety drugs are often fluoride compounds.

The fact that soon after "Operation Paperclip" where the US grabbed as many German scientists that they could, and the subsequent appearance of the "need" to fluoridate water is not conclusive evidence of a conspiracy, but it sure stinks.

A compound in our red blood cells, hemoglobin, is an iron compound. Every cell of our bodies is oxygenated due to the element iron. If there was a single chemical element that benevolent government officials would monitor in a water supply, why not iron? But no, the mandate to add a toxic element to water, using obviously bad science (makes me think of the NIST engineers explaining the collapse of WTC buildings) was forced literally down our throats. I do suspect that most of the people involved were "baffled by bullsh!t" and not part of a conspiracy, but the people that were the behind-the-scenes perpetrators had to have been nefarious.

Remember too, this started before fast food restaurants, before 95% of vaccinations, before the fertilizer industry had destroyed the soil, before herbicides, before fungicides, before GMO food, and before massive amounts of 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation man-made chemical pollutants were allowed into the water, air, and soil... so yes, your point is very accurate that it has now become impossible to point the finger accurately at the root cause of all the disease (and probably a lot of phony disease) that helps the USA get ranked so low in health compared to other nations. Not just the US, other industrialized nations that follow the US example show similar spikes in poor health and infant mortality.

I have an easy choice to reject most ingested toxins (buy and grow and eat organic food), but the water (given to the organic plants) contains fluoride. Using expensive filtration, I can (and do) afford to remove fluoride from my drinking water, but the capacity is too low to also supply 25 to 30 gallons of water a day to my garden. It is not impossible to be fluoride-free, but it is cost prohibitive.

Dennis

[Nanoo Nanoo]

iodine naturally occours in sea salt. its a good thing.

saxa salt is processed so they add iodine back into it.

best salt to use is natural un processed sea salt.

if you are feeling low in energy sprinkle some sea salt and bi carb in some water, stir it up and drink it. it will make you feel better

N
N

[Humble Janitor]

I still use iodized salt whenever I'm cooking or adding salt to foods.

I think that and my use of water that's been filtered free of fluoride are two key factors in my creative output as of late.

[DeDukshyn]

Looks to me as if the job is already nearly done without fluoride!

Er .. the job was done WITH fluoride. We are now at that result!

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
OK; I didn’t have a particularly strongly–held belief on the fluoride matter, and I am indeed coming round to the view that it is unnecessary, even dangerous. It just seems to me that people weren’t dropping like flies or behaving like zombies in the artificially fluoridated parts of the UK any more than in the rest of the country. But I am not so pig-headed that I am not open to reasoned argument and if some of the data I have seen here is accurate, then if anything the evidence for it affecting tooth decay is at best marginal.

The reasoned arguments on here seem mostly… reasoned. Graphs always look convincing, but as my partner is a statistical epidemiologist we know that if the raw data is at best poor, or at worst fixed, graphs/charts/reports can prove anything you like, especially if the data has not been peer reviewed. (Yes, I know, there are those who think that's all part of the government's data-control process.)

However, if taking the Devil’s Advocate view for a moment (i.e. assuming fluoride does significantly reduce tooth decay, but has rare and serious side effects) most of us are already familiar with that government policy when we drive our cars. Seat belts save thousands of lives per year, but there are tens if not hundreds of deaths caused by wearing them. We just have to decide at what point the costs outweigh the benefits.

I’m not convinced by the conspiratorial view that it’s used by TPTB to dumb us down, or even kill us. I mean, how could you possibly tell when the food industry already exploits peoples’ inability to choose the right food so they eat themselves to death (while providing huge profits for the food and medical industries), and much of the media feeds us such mind-numbing crap that the majority of the population are so brain-numbed they can’t even be bothered to get of their fat arses to look out of the window to see what’s happening in the Real World. Looks to me as if the job is already nearly done without fluoride!

Anyway, an ‘enlightening’ debate for me…

I just wanted to say the graphs I posted are the World Health Organizations own graphs. You will find that the more digging you do, the more irrefutable the evidence will become, not just because you get "convinced" but because it gets "proven" after connecting all the dots. At some point in the future (like happened to me), you may even find yourself saying "How the hell did I get so duped? This is so obvious!"

[music]

Fluoride (F) is added for one primary purpose, and that is to de-activate the pineal gland. F readily bonds with aluminium (Al) where it easily transports Al across the blood/brain barrier, and with calcium (Ca), which is deposited as a shell of salts (calcification) on the pineal gland. Calcification of the pineal gland interferes with the melatonin/seratonin process, and inhibits production of DMT.

Secondary effects include apathy, pliability, fostering of the herd mentality, alienation from spirit, and unfocused but easily directable aggression.

For your consideration:

Animal studies of pineal function indicate that fluoride exposure results in altered melatonin production and altered timing of sexual maturity. Whether fluoride affects pineal function in humans remains to be demonstrated. The two studies of menarcheal age in humans show the possibility of earlier menarche in some individuals exposed to fluoride, but no definitive statement can be made. Recent information on the role of the pineal organ in humans suggests that any agent that affects pineal function could affect human health in a variety of ways, including effects on sexual maturation, calcium metabolism, parathyroid function, postmenopausal osteoporosis, cancer, and psychiatric disease.

SOURCE: National Research Council. (2006). Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. p221-22.

"In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty. Whether or not fluoride interferes with pineal function in humans requires further investigation."

SOURCE: Luke J. (1997). The Effect of Fluoride on the Physiology of the Pineal Gland. Ph.D. Thesis. University of Surrey, Guildford. p. 177.

Research published in 2001 showed that fluoride (F) deposits in the pineal gland with age and is associated with enhanced gland calcification. Eleven aged cadavares were dissected and their pineal glands assayed:

"There was a positive correlation between pineal F and pineal Ca (r = 0.73, p<0.02) but no correlation between pineal F and bone F. By old age, the pineal gland has readily accumulated F and its F/Ca ratio is higher than bone."

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2011...l-1236580.html

Prozac may represent an archetypal example of how fluoride affects the personality/soul. This drug (chemical name fluoxetine) is approximately 30% fluoride by weight and marketed as an "antidepressant," even while a major side effect of its use and/or withdrawal is suicidal depression. Modern psychiatry often treats depressive disorders – the "dark night of the soul" – as an organic disorder of the brain, targeting serotonin reuptake by any chemical means necessary. Fluoride and fluoxetine, in fact, may accomplish their intended "therapeutic effects" by poisoning the pineal gland. Animal studies confirm that when mice have their pineal glands removed they no longer respond to fluoxetine. Source

Perhaps the primary reason why Prozac causes a favorable reaction in those who are treated (poisoned) with it, is that it disassociates that person from the psychospiritual conflicts that they must normally suppress in order to maintain the appearance of sanity and functionality in society, i.e. it is control and not health that is the goal of such "treatment."

If Prozac and other sources of fluoride in our environment deposits within the pineal gland, accelerating the transformation of functional pineal tissue into calcification, is it possible that it works by dehumanizing and flattening the affect of those who are under its influence?

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2011...l-1236580.html

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I made a very definite move away from fluoride 4 years ago. It took about 8 months of fierce antifluridation and meditation but suddenly one day while i was driving i felt the little bugger start to pulse in my head. it was scarry at first. i thought id broken something ... or i was going to have a brain malfunction but i didnt have any head aches or loss of cognitive function. Everything was normal except my pineal gland was pumping away ,

it feels like its flipping inside out and it has a pulse. like its a small beating heart. its completely random. at first it was on all the time like i had a pole sticking out of my head. i found this feeling subsided at night when i was calm. then when i was awake it would come back on, it would particularly get strong when i was frustrated or agressive , mainly when stuck in traffick. So i realise it changes with my moods.

very strange thing to happen. I can say without any doubt that its in there and after making a strong effort to remove fluoride from my life it kicked in. personally i think it was a combination of all these things including loads of meditation , it was stimulated a lot into waking up.

lots of fun started after that ; )

PS pure sea salt is fantastic in your diet. y=its important to have it because of the iodine . prosessed salt is not as good for you as it contains small traces of glass beads which can hurt your arteries over time. its a by product of the processing. i cant imagine why you would process salt when its naturally occouring ... ? hmmm