Is psychiatry a scam?

[nearing]

Is Psychiatry A Scam? Truth About Mental Disorders & Health, Psychiatrists Colin Ross & Corrina Psychetruth

Psychetruth Correspondent Corrina Rachel interviews psychiatrist Dr. Colin Ross about Psychiatry and his book, The Great Psychiatry Scam. Is psychiatry a scientifically based medical practice? Is there evidence that mental illness is a brain disease, a chemical imbalance or genetic disorder?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1VHpsgUcY

[Mulder]

Psychiatry is not a science and many "disorders" cannot be scientifically tested e.g. borderline personality disorder. However, it does have some positive points e.g. an emphaisis on the mind (whatever it is).

[Cartomancer]

Psychiatry= better living through chemistry. They will tell you what's wrong with you and then dope you for it. High tech Sorcery if you ask me.

[Cidersomerset]

Psychetruth Correspondent Corrina Rachel interviews psychiatrist Dr. Colin Ross about Psychiatry and his book, The Great Psychiatry Scam. Is psychiatry a scientifically based medical practice? Is there evidence that mental illness is a brain disease, a chemical imbalance or genetic disorder?

This makes sence to me...Big pharma and the medical world are far to eager to dish out pills ...Lots of money involved !!

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp1FPlLZ81E

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-in-most-cases......

[Meesh]

A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

[Snoweagle]

Damn right its a scam!
Have yourself a stroke and do not request medical aid (I had been denied NHS). Recovery will be slow and the brain will automatically "reborn" your mind. Awesome experience. (four years ago, another three for complete recovery, (seven year cycle))
Took awhile for the significance of the injury to convince me I had changed and researched the implications with immense difficulty I trawled through psychiatry books for assistance and realised they were nothing more than peer reviewing each others diatribe of explanations, the more bizarre the proposed cure the more prominent the author would become. I was unable to find any literature written about stroke recovery by any medically qualified person who had personally suffered themselves.
A bit like claiming expertise in aliens without personally seeing one.
When I asked my doctor if the burning laser of a "kundalini" in the centre of my forehead was harmful in any way he replied "Whats that . . . ? followed by a shrug as he reviewed my medical record. I remained stumb, choosing not to push him as well, especially after the hospital denied me. Only to find a few days later during my cardiac check my medical records had been changed, courtesy of a friendly nurse. I then made an appointment to see the doctor to challenge him only for him to have me removed from the practice. I now have no access to any NHS doctor.

Psychiatry is an intellectual sport. It is nothing more than medical philosophy. Plato meets Chaucer meets Shakespeare in medically cacophonic bamboozlement for the masses. If it warrants medical discussion then cut and dice or sell to the highest pharmaceutic manufacturer. All a con.

I would be more than happy to review the book by Dr. Colin Ross about Psychiatry, The Great Psychiatry Scam.

Then again, why bother. I personally feel immensely advantaged by my current condition and more than happy to return to spirit from a corpse at the side of the road. Have tried to help others but it's a waste of time. Even here a Avalon, lots of lovely people but so distracted from whats going on it infuriates me that they waste so much time on guff and tripe. The answers are staring them in the face, yet they wait for fantasy and the answers are so simple. Anyways, I concur that psychiatry is a quack science.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Meesh (here)
A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

Out of four post this one makes the best so far, also in my professional opinion.

A lot if not most of my clients have deal with psychiatric/mental disorders, the scope from where these disorders can/could or do originate from is so broad it is near impossible to put your finger on it and say "thats it" and this is how to cure/treat/or get over it.

Medication usually only dampens the effects of the real life problems these people encounter, they are just for coping and they in general do not fix jack sh!t, just surpress, and on many of days i feel like some dope pusher when handing out the medication ( especially due to the large amount of admin work that goes with it, read when to order new more and better designer dope).

There is one subject in particular that is almost never discussed in my line of work and thats the spirituality factor and thats really really bad news imo, since a lot of the people i reach out to and for are psychotic ( hear/see things, some good but for the most part not so good), have multiple personality disorders ( they split off their personalities due to abuse, read mental, sexual, plain old beating the crap out of or a combination of all),
borderline personality disorders ( usually have to do with being left or not being heard by a parent/parents/ caregivers, divorces as a young child, most of them are women but men are not exluded from this at all).

The spirituality factor.................. i see people on a daily basis( about 70 of them) of all ages, sexes, race, nationality, background and what have you. ALL of them can display a very odd combination of being their self and something or someone else in the most strange ways you can think off and this makes life really difficult for most of them ( i believe them when they say they hear or see things but i can never ever ( god forbid) discuss this with my co worker since they are very close minded.)

There are so many aspects of what life is ( before, during, after death or all we talking about the same thing here and is it just a density issue eh) let alone the aspect of archons and et or eds ( which i think are totally real by the way but kinda hard to touch in the flesh so what the hell am i even trying to say here...... seeeee.. thats how hard it is... makes me sounding psychotic myself doesnt it??)

Then there is the whole nature vs nurture debate ( its all just a combination if you ask me and how could it not be), the unseen aspects that cannot be touched by modern psychology are the main problem, what is life and in what ways can it help you or screw with your perception and sanity. better yet ( who or what are its intentions and why does this happen to you, what des it need you for)

I have some opinions and points of view but adressing those would be a complete social suicide in my line of work, too bad, i just shut up and try to make life as bearable as possible for the people who do seriously need help and if thats handing out a pill because its the only thing i am allowed to offer, thats exactly what i will offer, you try to say no to someone who is going NUTS from things they dont understand that influence their life nevertheless....... here you go...... have the pill and please get some peace and try to sleep. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day, i will fix you a nice cuppa with some toast and we take a walk in the park, how bout that?

[nearing]

Those saying that the Dr. Is going to far with the word scam need to watch the video. He has good reason for using that strong word.

No biological basis for those 'disorders', psychiatrists wanting to be 'real docs' and the pharmaceutical industry marketing and making a killing on drugs that don't work and instead harm.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by nearing (here)
Those saying that the Dr. Is going to far with the word scam need to watch the video. He has good reason for using that strong word.

No biological basis for those 'disorders', psychiatrists wanting to be 'real docs' and the pharmaceutical industry marketing and making a killing on drugs that don't work and instead harm.

Watched it and agreed with it, there is a lot more to it than that though i gave my point of view and i kept it really short too, so not saying the man is wrong, i see about four shrinks a day with clients and they can be total selfabsorbed pricks and yes they prescribe medications and yes they benefit, and yes clients with more severe disorders benefit from the medication as well, not a very popular thing to say but true nevertheless, it can get them through the day instead of jumping in front of trains, out of windows or making life really hard for loved ones and bystanders.. the way i see it, it can also buy them time until they wake up from whatever bugs them...i do not want to come to work and find dead people in their bed because they killed themselves............. i think if someone wants to.. go for it.... problem is...... the people who find them have feelings too.
That would be me

[Snoweagle]

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by Meesh (here)
A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

Out of four post this one makes the best so far, also in my professional opinion.

A lot if not most of my clients have deal with psychiatric/mental disorders, the scope from where these disorders can/could or do originate from is so broad it is near impossible to put your finger on it and say "thats it" and this is how to cure/treat/or get over it.

Medication usually only dampens the effects of the real life problems these people encounter, they are just for coping and they in general do not fix jack sh!t, just surpress, and on many of days i feel like some dope pusher when handing out the medication ( especially due to the large amount of admin work that goes with it, read when to order new more and better designer dope).

There is one subject in particular that is almost never discussed in my line of work and thats the spirituality factor and thats really really bad news imo, since a lot of the people i reach out to and for are psychotic ( hear/see things, some good but for the most part not so good), have multiple personality disorders ( they split off their personalities due to abuse, read mental, sexual, plain old beating the crap out of or a combination of all),
borderline personality disorders ( usually have to do with being left or not being heard by a parent/parents/ caregivers, divorces as a young child, most of them are women but men are not exluded from this at all).

The spirituality factor.................. i see people on a daily basis( about 70 of them) of all ages, sexes, race, nationality, background and what have you. ALL of them can display a very odd combination of being their self and something or someone else in the most strange ways you can think off and this makes life really difficult for most of them ( i believe them when they say they hear or see things but i can never ever ( god forbid) discuss this with my co worker since they are very close minded.)

There are so many aspects of what life is ( before, during, after death or all we talking about the same thing here and is it just a density issue eh) let alone the aspect of archons and et or eds ( which i think are totally real by the way but kinda hard to touch in the flesh so what the hell am i even trying to say here...... seeeee.. thats how hard it is... makes me sounding psychotic myself doesnt it??)

Then there is the whole nature vs nurture debate ( its all just a combination if you ask me and how could it not be), the unseen aspects that cannot be touched by modern psychology are the main problem, what is life and in what ways can it help you or screw with your perception and sanity. better yet ( who or what are its intentions and why does this happen to you, what des it need you for)

I have some opinions and points of view but adressing those would be a complete social suicide in my line of work, too bad, i just shut up and try to make life as bearable as possible for the people who do seriously need help and if thats handing out a pill because its the only thing i am allowed to offer, thats exactly what i will offer, you try to say no to someone who is going NUTS from things they dont understand that influence their life nevertheless....... here you go...... have the pill and please get some peace and try to sleep. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day, i will fix you a nice cuppa with some toast and we take a walk in the park, how bout that?

Under advisement, I have deleted my comment. I respect your honesty.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Snoweagle (here)

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by Meesh (here)
A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

Out of four post this one makes the best so far, also in my professional opinion.

A lot if not most of my clients have deal with psychiatric/mental disorders, the scope from where these disorders can/could or do originate from is so broad it is near impossible to put your finger on it and say "thats it" and this is how to cure/treat/or get over it.

Medication usually only dampens the effects of the real life problems these people encounter, they are just for coping and they in general do not fix jack sh!t, just surpress, and on many of days i feel like some dope pusher when handing out the medication ( especially due to the large amount of admin work that goes with it, read when to order new more and better designer dope).

There is one subject in particular that is almost never discussed in my line of work and thats the spirituality factor and thats really really bad news imo, since a lot of the people i reach out to and for are psychotic ( hear/see things, some good but for the most part not so good), have multiple personality disorders ( they split off their personalities due to abuse, read mental, sexual, plain old beating the crap out of or a combination of all),
borderline personality disorders ( usually have to do with being left or not being heard by a parent/parents/ caregivers, divorces as a young child, most of them are women but men are not exluded from this at all).

The spirituality factor.................. i see people on a daily basis( about 70 of them) of all ages, sexes, race, nationality, background and what have you. ALL of them can display a very odd combination of being their self and something or someone else in the most strange ways you can think off and this makes life really difficult for most of them ( i believe them when they say they hear or see things but i can never ever ( god forbid) discuss this with my co worker since they are very close minded.)

There are so many aspects of what life is ( before, during, after death or all we talking about the same thing here and is it just a density issue eh) let alone the aspect of archons and et or eds ( which i think are totally real by the way but kinda hard to touch in the flesh so what the hell am i even trying to say here...... seeeee.. thats how hard it is... makes me sounding psychotic myself doesnt it??)

Then there is the whole nature vs nurture debate ( its all just a combination if you ask me and how could it not be), the unseen aspects that cannot be touched by modern psychology are the main problem, what is life and in what ways can it help you or screw with your perception and sanity. better yet ( who or what are its intentions and why does this happen to you, what des it need you for)

I have some opinions and points of view but adressing those would be a complete social suicide in my line of work, too bad, i just shut up and try to make life as bearable as possible for the people who do seriously need help and if thats handing out a pill because its the only thing i am allowed to offer, thats exactly what i will offer, you try to say no to someone who is going NUTS from things they dont understand that influence their life nevertheless....... here you go...... have the pill and please get some peace and try to sleep. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day, i will fix you a nice cuppa with some toast and we take a walk in the park, how bout that?

My point exactly. Some ruddy professional you sound to be. Clearly doing what you are told for a little reward, just like the rest of the profession. Probably avoiding blame just as concentration camp guards did post war; it didn't help them either. Clearly I am angry, not really against you but the weakness of your "soul" that considers justifying your actions at the bequest of false science. The mistaken trust in the whole medical pharma industry.

As you said, only one post was important to you. The one from the "spas" had no merit, just like complaints from your "clients" as they aren't patients in your line of work by your own admission ie "take the pill and shut the flute up and go to sleep". And its legal too, amazing.

Ahem, you dont know me at all and the shut the flute up is not what i said, its what you said, not passing judgement on you so you better should not judge me, you have no clue about what i see on a daily basis and still have to deal with and makes descicions about.

I said i have personal opinions too, i said i did, maybe you read past them, that happens.. no problem.

[spiritguide]

Psyche - old greek for soul. Psychiatry is theory as is the soul is in science, hence still looking and sorting. IMHO Different stimuli elicites different reactions and will fade/change as the stimuli is removed/changed. Does the phrase "Problem,Action,Solution" sound familiar?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I don´t think it´s a scam.

It´s just another good tool that´s been frequently misused.

Some kinds of mental illness are really the result of unbalanced chemicals in the brain; psychiatry and conventional medicine are pretty good in treating these.

I have a close friend who started developing schizophrenia when he was about 17. It was horrific, really. They had to tie him to a hospital bed because he was biting himself very hard. He was out of his mind, literally.

Psychiatry really helped him. Schizophrenia is not a curable illness, but can be controlled and managed with the right medications and therapy.

Nowadays, he lives a normal live. He needs some extra attention and has his hard moments, but most of the times he can take care of himself.

Cheers,

Raf.

[realitycorrodes]

Even here a Avalon, lots of lovely people but so distracted from whats going on it infuriates me that they waste so much time on guff and tripe. The answers are staring them in the face, yet they wait for fantasy and the answers are so simple.

Loved your comments SnowEagle!

I would appreciate you sharing the simple answers with me.

Peace

[nearing]

Personality disordered individuals aren't given psychiatric drugs (at least they shouldn't be unless they have some comorbidity) as a personality disorder isn't 'treatable' by their definition.

The problem is that psychiatrists are pill pushers these days rather than the old days when they counseled. Now they leave that to the social workers and psychologists because they want to write scripts! Mental disorders are real, but they are not about chemical imbalances in the brain and therefore cannot be fixed with pills.

Our culture is dysfunctional (hence all of threads complaining about it) and thereof, we are going to raise days functional people! No pill is going to fix that. Only fixing the culture can help as well as lots of personal support.

No wonder so many want out. Who can effing blame them? And why is it that we all think it's so horrible that we need to stop people from exercising their free will?

I happen to think it's a viable solution to living in this horrid culture. Pushing people to stay and withstand it and endure it is cruel. Not everyone can take this crap.

And if you believe in reincarnation, as I do, you don't see it as, 'oh, better stay and suffer cuz this is all you get' - I say that is BS with a capital BS.

Regardless, the pills pushed on the innocent and suffering have effects (not side) much worse and numerous than the benefits evidenced. They screw with your brain and your personality and are no better than placebo! Give them placebo for crying out loud.

Anyway, that's just mho.

[nomadguy]

I think it could be and by design, I really like how Alan Watts examined it,

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqYYdXNB3dY

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK4HiRXKWiI

[Cartomancer]

Plumber 665. I didn't mean to be flippant in my earlier response. Your views made me realize that there is a legitimate use for Psychiatry. My wife works with disabled people and I have learned a lot from spending time around them. Many people couldn't function without help of one kind or another. Thank you for helping others.

[danceblackcatdance]

Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?












A: Just one... but its very expensive...it takes a long time.... and the light bulb has to really want to change.

[Arrowwind]

I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it has become a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularly victim to a whole new real of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal governement and the pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools for each persecription made...

A scam? Absolutley. A money making scam who's vicitims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with signfiiciant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few who do well if they happen to cross paths with phsyicains who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand, I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds of depression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There are cures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential... unfortuanatly most people can figure out what they need and what works so they are perpetual victims to the medical inustry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course phsychiatrists are clueles on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisis mediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their lifes game plan. Seek out always a homeopath or a naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatirist if you must, but only after about 2 years work with a good shaman. Because phsyciatrists do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.

[nearing]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it has become a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularly victim to a whole new real of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal governement and the pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools for each persecription made...

A scam? Absolutley. A money making scam who's vicitims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with signfiiciant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few who do well if they happen to cross paths with phsyicains who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand, I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds of depression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There are cures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential... unfortuanatly most people can figure out what they need and what works so they are perpetual victims to the medical inustry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course phsychiatrists are clueles on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisis mediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their lifes game plan. Seek out always a homeopath or a naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatirist if you must, but only after about 2 years work with a good shaman. Because phsyciatrists do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.

Excellently put.