Is psychiatry a scam?

[DeDukshyn]

I see the need to make distinct a generalization that may need further "distinction". To say that "psychiatry is a scam" is a gross generalization.

I have been able to make many connections of grander concepts concerning spirituality and the conscious mind to the works of Anton Mesmer and Carl Jung. Even Freud recommended laughter as the best medicine yet that has been removed and criticized from many of his teachings because it was not "scientific".

That said .. modern day psychiatry is mostly a scam. Just like dentistry is. Sometimes it it is helpful but mostly it is just another way to suck money out of you with no care or regard to your well being (or the false sense by Dr and patient thereof)

[ghostrider]

The world just needs a scientific way to explain and evil spirit tormenting a pure soul.

[Arrowwind]

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Posted by Arrowwind (here)
I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it hasbecome a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularlyvictim to a whole new realm of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal government andthe pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools foreach prescription made...

A scam? Absolutely. A money making scam who's victims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with significant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few whodo well if they happen to cross paths with physicians who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand,I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds ofdepression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There arecures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential...unfortunately most people can figure out what they need and what works so theyare perpetual victims to the medical industry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course psychiatrists are
clueless on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisismediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their life’s game plan. Seek out always a homeopath ora naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatrists if you must, but only after about 2years work with a good shaman. Because psychiatrist do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.


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Excellently put.

Im amazed anyone would read that with all the typos.. enough to embarrass myself.... here it stands fixed!

[bogeyman]

Who is to decide what is normal in a world as mad as this? A psychiatrist? The parameters of normality can various from culture to culture, what was exceptable behaviour a few years ago isnt now, doesnt mean you need to see a psychiatrist. Social influence does indeed play a factor in this, and of course medical snobby.

[Dennis Leahy]

A great thread, thanks for starting it, nearing!

Snoweagle's entire post is excellent, and this short passage from it is such a powerful splash of cold water - I just love it. (Emphasis on the bolded sentence is mine.)

Posted by Snoweagle (here)

Psychiatry is an intellectual sport. It is nothing more than medical philosophy. Plato meets Chaucer meets Shakespeare in medically cacophonic bamboozlement for the masses. If it warrants medical discussion then cut and dice or sell to the highest pharmaceutic manufacturer. All a con.

Thanks, Snoweagle!

Dennis

[cheez_2806]

I guess it's not that surprising whether something is a scam or not. In terms of this society, it seems like an incredible amount of things are not what they appear to be. The big ones - government, education or the whole system....

I am currently taking a bachelor science course majoring in psychology and in an undergraduate course at the moment we don't go through alot about treatments but there is currently a new subject introduced named psychopathology of everyday life that give a general idea about what the current issues in these field of research are and some treatment ideas currently still been revised. All the material that the subject other than the introductory stuff, when you go further into the subjects, the disorders that are known and named such as depression, schiz, Alzheimers etc the lecture goes through the basic history, the symptoms and case studies however it doesn't provide answers to the actual causation of the so called disorder but has identified numerous risk factors that correlate strongly to it. Probably they really can't find a definite causation for mental disorders??? not sure~Anyways these risk factors tend to increase one's likelihood of developing a certain disorder as well. Apparently the risk factors associated with most of the disorders that are not biological are mostly related to personal life events and some biological ones as well. I think that is quiet obvious but they need paid research to prove this and that...The risk factors include stressors such as a loved one passing, work, school etc, basically narrowed down to surviving. People struggle to survive. We all want whats best and it is hard to get what is best for yourself without an abundant amount of $$ in this world and we all compete to death with one another for it. But we don't deal with that problem which in turn IS increasing the depression, increasing the likelihood of the individual to be prone to mental disorder or even a medical disease I suppose. It seems like psychology as well, like most diseases in the medical field, the science doesn't look to solving the fundamental causes however the experts step in rather to provide solutions to the negative symptoms that arise with the problem.
There was this new model of treatment called staging model which points out that the current treatments in psychology seem to focus on treating people with the extreme cases and don't review that there are different stages of progression within a particular disorder. Perhaps this model, is a better treatment than other ones even though it doesn't address the core causation but does provide a more efficient and careful diagnosis and review of the individual than the current ones that exist. As it at least dissects the problem the individual experiences into different stages so that they don't get put on heavy medication where they actually don't require it. However they are still trying to actually devising how to practically implement it. It is mentioned heaps of times in these three years of studying that treatment and diagnosis is important mainly because it helps finding the right treatment and learn more about the problem as well as helping the individual to become normal and functional. On top of that, the serious and extreme cases, it won't harm other people or disrupt others normal functioning. Perhaps that's one of the advantage about it....safety??

and there was this interesting topic that was discussed in the first tutorial class, the teacher was talking about what the aim of the psychologist/psychiatrist actually is. Is it reduce suffering or is it to return the individual to happiness???

[Czarek]

If some one says to you: "Sir, it's a chemical imbalance" and does not support that with any test results, I'd say it is a scam.

[Lost Soul]

I've no use of them. I figure a bartender or better yet, your dog can do better.

That said, it helped an employee of mine. His doc figured out he was having LSD flashbacks and was not going nuts. As a black man in the army in the '60s, they gave him the stuff, gave him a gun and told him to guard an attaché with his life. They put him on a plane (MAC) to Tokyo and observed him all the way. I'm not sure what the treatment was, but it kept him from losing his mind.

[Bill Ryan]

Is psychiatry a scam?

Not always -- in the accepted definition of "scam" (i.e. a knowing, deceptive scheme to deceive people and profit from the deception).

But the practice of psychiatrists is often harmful (despite any individual psychiatrist's sincere personal good intentions). Prescribing psycho-active drugs is almost always harmful.

If anyone honestly believes otherwise, they're simply not informed.

There are, and have been, quite a few formally qualified psychiatrists who are wonderful people and who have dedicated their lives to pushing the envelope of accepted academic knowledge.

Dr John Mack immediately comes to mind. So does Dr Richard Mackarness, who in 1976 wrote the really important book Not All in the Mind -- demonstrating how many 'psychiatric disorders' are really severe food allergies. But sadly, these maverick pioneers are very much the exception.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Is psychiatry a scam?

Not always -- in the accepted definition of "scam" (i.e. a knowing, deceptive scheme to deceive people and profit from the deception).

But the practice of psychiatrists is often harmful (despite any individual psychiatrist's sincere personal good intentions). Prescribing psycho-active drugs is almost always harmful.

If anyone honestly believes otherwise, they're simply not informed.

There are, and have been, quite a few formally qualified psychiatrists who are wonderful people and who have dedicated their lives to pushing the envelope of accepted academic knowledge.

Dr John Mack immediately comes to mind. So does Dr Richard Mackarness, who in 1976 wrote the really important book Not All in the Mind -- demonstrating how many 'psychiatric disorders' are really severe food allergies. But sadly, these maverick pioneers are very much the exception.

Hey Bill,

Don´t forget Carl Gustav Jung and Wilhelm Reich!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Feren]

Hello, thank you for this interesting thread.
Psychiatry is useful, that's why it is also a weapon.
In my opinion, it WAS DESIGNED AS A WEAPON, AS A TECHNOLOGY OF POWER, ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE USED AS MEDICINE, in contrast to what most of you think (that it was designed as a science and can be used as a weapon).
I'm reading an interesting article (PDF) about Foucault's critique of psychiatry, but I'm unable to attach it. Is there any way to do it?
For those who have access to Oxford Journals' database, you can search it. It is "Foucault's critique of psychiatric medicine" by Hubert L. Dreyfus.

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[peterpam]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it has become a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularly victim to a whole new real of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal governement and the pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools for each persecription made...

A scam? Absolutley. A money making scam who's vicitims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with signfiiciant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few who do well if they happen to cross paths with phsyicains who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand, I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds of depression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There are cures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential... unfortunately most people can figure out what they need and what works so they are perpetual victims to the medical inustry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course phsychiatrists are clueles on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisis mediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their lifes game plan. Seek out always a homeopath or a naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatirist if you must, but only after about 2 years work with a good shaman. Because phsyciatrists do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.

Arrowwind, Thanks for bringing up the aspect of diet and nutrition and I would add exercise....As a nurse it is all too clear to me that most people seeking any type of medical care expect medication as a treatment...We want to be fixed..and fixed fast. This allows big pharma a perfect setting to promote there chemical solutions...The other way, through homeopathy and nutrition is not a quick fix but will most likely be a lasting one. Time is money in the allopathic world, which includes psychiatry, and the quickest way to get someone in and out is to write a prescription..
Along with nutrition there has to be consideration of all the neurotoxins we consume. Flouride, MSG, aspertame are the well known ones but how much more is out there is anyone's guess...

Although a bit off topic, I have learned that any sort of healthcare is a personal responsibility...Don't take any medication without due diligence. Investigate the drug, investigate the dose, look into interactions. Mistakes happen all the time in the medical field..Do not give your power away to 'medical professionals'. All medications no matter how mundane they may seem have detrimental side effects, not to mention taking multiple medications.....what will the combination do? Remember, most allopathic medications are given to alleviate the symptoms not the cause..
pammy

[Daughter of Time]

I've known two people who commited suicide while undergoing psychiatric treatments. It wasn't the psychiatrists that lead them to commit suicide, it was the drugs.

I also know someone whose child was very hyper. The school the child attended said they would not let the child return to classes unless he was taken to a psychiatrist. The parents complied. The child was given drugs to calm him down. He became apathetic, listless, zombied. The parents knew that drugs were not the answer so they took him to a naturopath who knew immediately that the boy had worms! He gave the child a homeopatic medicine to kill the worms, drugs were removed, and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

[Sierra]

Posted by Feren (here)
Hello, thank you for this interesting thread.
Psychiatry is useful, that's why it is also a weapon.
In my opinion, it WAS DESIGNED AS A WEAPON, AS A TECHNOLOGY OF POWER, ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE USED AS MEDICINE, in contrast to what most of you think (that it was designed as a science and can be used as a weapon).
I'm reading an interesting article (PDF) about Foucault's critique of psychiatry, but I'm unable to attach it. Is there any way to do it?
For those who have access to Oxford Journals' database, you can search it. It is "Foucault's critique of psychiatric medicine" by Hubert L. Dreyfus.

Link to "Foucault's critique of psychiatric medicine" by Hubert L. Dreyfus (don't have access to the PDF)

http://jmp.oxfordjournals.org/content/12/4/311.abstract

[sygh]

Why do you say that?

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

Thats because most pshyciatrists are brainwashed idiots. Do not expect anything else from them for you waste your time and emotional energy.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

Thats because most pshyciatrists are brainwashed idiots. Do not expect anything else from them for you waste your time and emotional energy.

I agree, my friend.

Most of them are totally brainwashed indeed.

However, if you really research there are some very nice ones around.

Here where I live, we have a spiritualist hospital, a big one, funded by the people from the spiritualist religion.

All doctors there are very open minded, including the psychiatrists. It´s a good example of how spirituality and science can get along quite well.

We can´t generalize a whole category of professionals. In every field there are good and bad professionals, not only in medicine.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

Thats because most pshyciatrists are brainwashed idiots. Do not expect anything else from them for you waste your time and emotional energy.

I agree, my friend.

Most of them are totally brainwashed indeed.

However, if you really research there are some very nice ones around.

Here where I live, we have a spiritualist hospital, a big one, funded by the people from the spiritualist religion.

All doctors there are very open minded, including the psychiatrists. It´s a good example of how spirituality and science can get along quite well.

We can´t generalize a whole category of professionals. In every field there are good and bad professionals, not only in medicine.

Cheers,

Raf.

of course there is the exception to everything, but in general with the hundreds of thousands of doctors in the USA, 98% in my estimation are fully brainwashed... so your chances of meeting an open minded one is almost nil unless you actively seek them out with due diligence.

[Arrowwind]

And the most desturbing aspect of this brainwashed group is that they control the politics of health and create the laws by which we are forced to live by... there by assuring that as much of the public is duely brainwashed also, into their poor health, the emptying of their pockets and then death when the money runs out. The leading cause of forclosure in the USA is not the economy, it is from a health crisis and the draining of personal income into the pockets of the allopaths.