Steven Greer in process of studying possible ET body scientifically

[cloud9]

I don't know Dr. Greer but I don't know a lot of people either, however I'm amazed at how easily people judge, critic and demonize others, people assume this or that and write about it in public or private forums without realizing how damaging it is.
It's possible Greer has been compromised but who knows it really? For those who ask for proof about everything, where it is the proof about Greer?
With my highest respect, Bill says that after 2001 Greer has not done much besides a few books and that Camelot was taken down..... so aren't you (both Camelot and Greer ) in the same place?
Would that mean that the reason Bill has not done anything (disclosure wise) after the Inelia interview is because he is compromised too?
I don,t think so but if you compare the two cases....
At the end, my point is: It's very easy to judge and look smart(er) than somebody else, but are we doing the right thing?
It took a lot for LLoyd Pye to get the skull analyzed an it was a very expensive thing according to him, he had to raise fund for a long time before he could get it done and we are talking about a very old skull. Now, if Greer's story is true and they have a whole body, how much would it cost to analyze it?

[gooty64]

I did some inquiry into Steven Greer's CSETI program and considered attending one of his field trips -this was about 1.5 years ago. When looking for more info and testimonials to CSETI, I could find nothing as far as testimonials from former attendees of his field trips. There were a few videos of night vision orbs and not much else. CSETI has a facebook page. 1.5 years ago when I looked at it there were only videos of Steven Greer and no signs of civilians raving about their experiences with ER DR. Greer.
I was literally prepared timewise and money to take the field trip. I watched Greers presentations and interviews and my BS radar escalated off of the charts.
I could be wrong and will leave it there.
PS Whatever disclosure comes from Greer will be manipulated and limited by the PTB. Meaningful disclosure is truth across the board not an old alien corpse in MSM movie.

[Ultima Thule]

I have to admit - regarding Greers actions since 2001 - that once I saw the National Press Conference footage a few years ago, I was enthusiastic and wen´t looking for National Press Conference vol 2, 3, etc., could not find any. So in essence I for one was expecting much more, the 2001 conference was an impressive set-up.
It leaves at least two options: Mr. Greer is smart and keeps the lid on what he has got until such a time that he can reveal it with such a force and certainty that leaves no room whatsoever for debunking

or

he is working in accord with controlled, manipulated, tptb-run slow-motion disclosure where power and control is to be maintained on peoples minds - aiming to replace religions with new ones?


UT

[gooty64]

or

he is working in accord with controlled, manipulated, tptb-run slow-motion disclosure where power and control is to be maintained on peoples minds - aiming to replace religions with new ones?

Yeah UT, can't you just imagine the higher -ups handing Greer an old alien corpse from the vault of their stockpiles of classified ufo/et stuff and having him parade the corpse around for a couple of years. Imagine a traveling show to all of the museum across the UAS and world while everybody flocks raving mad to get a glimpse of the et corpse.

And a few years after after the commotion dies down, we are right where we were in the first place basically.

Isn't disclosure more about the bloodline families, 9/11, origins of mankind, truth about the matrix-control paradigm.
All of this, old grey alien corpse in MSM movie for dummies seems annoying and distracting to me. Don't we basically know there are aliens already?

[Operator]

I think he is giving it away time after time when he expresses that he's proud to be family of someone who designed the moon lander etc.

He like no one else should be aware that the Apollo program is actually the parallel space program serving only as facade ...
We should all be very aware that in his position he has absolutely no breathing space and is only allowed to keep us busy.
I don't expect anything at all from Greer. He served the purpose till 2001 and then his role was turned to controlled opposition.

I am afraid the same happened to Gordon Novel and his group (although they might have a slightly better chance to resist).

[Ultima Thule]

I wonder if disclosure could be or perhaps is aimed to be downplayed into a newsflash:"We have confirmed the existence of ET:s, but they probably cannot be communicated with for decades. You can trust that the government will do its utmost and inform you immediately when there is something to tell. We expect more to tell when the Mars-mission crew will arrive in Mars at around 2023." And then the whole thing can be put to rest with deadline of something actual happening being moved into distant future?
How do you people think that tptb would jump the bandwagon and steal the show in regards of disclosure?

UT

[Operator]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
I wonder if disclosure could be or perhaps is aimed to be downplayed into a newsflash:"We have confirmed the existence of ET:s, but they probably cannot be communicated with for decades. You can trust that the government will do its utmost and inform you immediately when there is something to tell. We expect more to tell when the Mars-mission crew will arrive in Mars at around 2023." And then the whole thing can be put to rest with deadline of something actual happening being moved into distant future?
How do you people think that tptb would jump the bandwagon and steal the show in regards of disclosure?

UT

The only hope for disclosure that I see is that they realize they can't keep it under wraps. If this situation sets in then
they will do it on their terms in planned steps ....

1. Confirm existence of water on other planetary bodies
2. Confirm microbial life on other planetary bodies
3. Confirm ancient alien ruins on other planetary bodies
4. Confirm animal life on other planetary bodies
5. Confirm other than earthly sentient life

Mind you there is a multiple 'they'. There is not one single group who is struggling with disclosure. They are also struggling amongst themselves.

The upcoming Mars landing (this weekend) may play a major role in the sequence listed above. The new rover is nuclear power driven and can
enter areas (ancient alien ruins) where there is no sunlight.

[Lifebringer]

Dr Steven Greer started me on this quest, Bill and Kerry carried the torch, and david and Fulford are taking the initiative. WE are all part of disclosure and can post links for the people to see and DEMAND ON A NEED TO KNOW BASIS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY WORDS THAT WILL STOP EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 Eisenhower put in place to keep the secrecy of the CIABushCabalNazi's. Need To Know is the key words for the disclosure. Flood the sites with proof and tell them the magic words to open the records.

Carry on Family Avalon.

[Agape]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
I wonder if disclosure could be or perhaps is aimed to be downplayed into a newsflash:"We have confirmed the existence of ET:s, but they probably cannot be communicated with for decades. You can trust that the government will do its utmost and inform you immediately when there is something to tell. We expect more to tell when the Mars-mission crew will arrive in Mars at around 2023." And then the whole thing can be put to rest with deadline of something actual happening being moved into distant future?
How do you people think that tptb would jump the bandwagon and steal the show in regards of disclosure?

UT

I have enough of this bogus called 'disclosure' and 'pro disclosure initiative' , is it going to work really .

Where's all the physical evidence ?






Forgive my bad sense of humour , it's probably NEVER going to sound too good, till some people want to be ALONE in the Universe .


Hello mankind ..we know how are you doing and will stay on watch for when you feel better and stop the bloodsheds ,
we know you are here and it's really important that 'youuuuuu.......' help to stop the wars and feed your starving siblings elsewhere .

It's important if you can give free education to your children and pay attention to how precious they are and help them be better people .


It's important you do not destroy your world but turn it to peaceful garden ...it means lots of hard work on Earth but there are not many ways around it .

The Truth can only come out from inside of you , and what comes from inside of you is what you meet outside, remember ...


Bring your leaders to your fire places and make them smoke piece pipe .. and feel human n humane once again ,
bring them here and we all will speak to them , they are not unreachable , they are not super natural, we do not call people bad names .

We do not like to talk to this mad hierarchy of self imposed monarchs and mannequins .


We can only speak to true people with true minds . Their many other businesses are disinteresting .


All we can really offer is gesture of Peace ..







It has to do for the evening . We know you watch Olympics and should not be disturbed and we really don't mean to cause global panic .

Notice, we are also very human -like and have sense of humour .







( on behalf of all members of Galactic Federation ...)

[Flowerpunkchip]

i've read most of this thread, I just want to add my little personal story...

In the 80s when I was a kid of 11-13 years old more or less, I read 3 books on UFOs which had belonged to my grandfather who I never had a chance to meet.
One of the books was predominantly about Adamski and one book had a large section about Billy Meier, I kept reading and researching through the years and slowly lost interest in the subject because to my knowledge both Adamski and Meier were frauds and money making liars.
I didn't stop believing in UFOs but my interest faded through the years.

Then in 2001, as you all know now, the Disclosure Project arrived... Saw the video months later and it totally blew my mind. Not just the testimonies but the fact that most of the witnesses said they would testify and swear an oath in congress. AMAZING!!!
After seeing the video, I was so excited, I was punching the air, it was like having several Xmas days compressed into 10 minutes of ecstatic joy. Disclosure was imminent!!! The disclosure I had always dreamt of.

11 Years later, nothing. Just a few books.

The 1st Disclosure Project book was excellent. Lent it to friends. The other books were pretty much a waist of time.
Then there was a book with a DVD of video evidence. What a disappointment it was. One clip was the filming of an insect. The other ones may have been satellites in the sky. So disappointed.

But let's just wait and see what happens with this EBE evidence.... I agree with many others here that we don't need money to make a documentary tomorrow with a simple video camera. After 13 years, I can wait a few more months. But I hope Greer doesn't let us down. He was my hero 11 years ago. I hope he redeems himself soon.

Thank you for this thread. Truly interesting and exciting and totally understand if people think Greer is in it for the money or worst. Let's wait and see.

[Huma]

I have engaged with Mr. Greer briefly on the phone and when I called into shows he was being interviewed on. Let me humbly submit he was an earnest fruit loop who simply over talks you, something I didn't let happen, which made him quite uncomfortable. If anyone is curious how he makes his money, one need only look at CSETI, his new age mystic vectoring in of ufos with flashlights to which he charges egregious amounts of money to attend. Be SUSPICIOUS of people who are out to make a buck in the "truth" community, even more so when they offer services and claims the likes of Dr. Greer.

Bill is absolutely correct, and I will add that he has been fishing for money ever since, and is severely egotistical, which came through bright and clear in there interview with him, but really you can see it in all his interviews as he gives his "I'm just a simple country doctor" routine, the same shpeal I have heard year after year, interview after interview, presentation after presentation. Come on guys. While I believe Kerry's new age, I will listen to anyone and anything, I am a mystic healer routine hasn't quite given us the grandest of testimony as of late, as least you know she has some measure of integrity in her backbone, something all of us can admire, Greer? Not so much.

Maybe he was sincere in the beginning, could be. It took some real work back then to do what he did and frankly despite having some sketchy people on stage along with some real solid people, he launched a thousand ships with that presentation, including camelots. But Bill is right, he hasn't done a damn thing since 2001 but postulate, promote himself and his CSETI BS, and generally hurt the UFO field as time goes on. This field has enough fruit cakes, quacks, new agers, con artists, genuine lunatics, and swindlers to fill, dare I say, a ufo convention or two?

Let us take the case of "Brigadier General" Stephen Lovekin as famously seen here discussing Roswell.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_zcbe79Zg

Now he is clearly positioned in this video as a "Brigadier General", as in a military general, which is the reasonable assumption most would make, and I have no doubt Mr. Greer knew this, however this man was never IN the military, and certainly was not a general of any armed forces. You can read about it here: http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2006...neral-but.html and here: http://www.roswellproof.com/lovekin.html
This is a kind of weasel deception I can't stand, and is indicative of Mr. Greer's checkered behavior, at best. There is no evidence that Stephen Lovekin was ever a Brigadier General in any branch of the US armed forces, he is only listed as a BG on the roster of the South Carolina State Guard Association, which is a civilian organization without state backing. So is he a BG? Well, sort of? But surely not the kind suggested on video.

And I do so love how he toots his own horn when he talks about having a big important fancy pants meeting with a former CIA director, wow! In Steven Greer's book, Extraterrestrial Contact, Greer claimed to have been directly briefed about UFOs by R. James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA, at a dinner party. Shortly after Greer published his book with his apparently exaggerated account of what had taken place, Woolsey and others present at the dinner sent Greer a letter trying to set the record straight.



If you want to read more about the wonderful antics of one Steven Greer, you can visit here and read all about how he swindles people out of there money, kind of like Sean Morton but with a far more charming and hokey southern flare! http://www.ufowatchdog.com/steven_greer.htm

[Gemini]

This is just my observation. No offense meant.

To my understanding quite a few people here have been very impressed with Greer's work from 2001. Personally, I never saw any of it and thus I'm not affected by it. By reading what Bill, Huma and others have said on this thread it's very clear to me that Greer is a disinfo agent serving only himself and those who control him. Yet, some people here are defending him and/or clinging to the hope that he might still reveal (RE-VEIL) something important. The reality is anyone who is defending him is simply being apologetic. There are no excuses for his behaviour described for example by Huma above. I can understand that some may be emotionally attached to Greer due to his work 11 years ago and that blurs their vision. We are easy to manipulate by this kind of attachments and that really needs to change.

[Agape]

Now the matter is settled , it's a tot .

drgreer says:
August 3, 2012 at 1:13 pm
It appears neo-natal or very young, around 6 inches in length, 5 fingers and toes but very different skeletal make up from homo sapiens. We hope an MRI will elucidate any further internal organ structures as we do not wish to at all damage the specimen. No microscopic exams have been done because we cannot take significant samples from the being. We will take a very small amount for DNA evaluation if possible. Keep in mine we do not possess or own this specimen and thus have a number of restrictions placed upon us. As to the species, as you know the “grays” that have been seen are mostly PLF- programmed man-made life forms. However this being is not of that variety but may belong to an ET species that has been described as traveling in very small 15 foot or so oval, egg-like ET craft.(See Disclosure Project marine witness. Weygandt) If we can rule out a global skeletal congenital human defect, then it is indeed something extraordinary and would conform to reports of these ET beings.

Many have suggested we not pursue this scientific inquiry, or that we do so secretly. Neither suggestion is acceptable. We will not keep such a finding secret, and there is no other group with top scientific and medical personnel who know the ET issue and who can properly pursue such an inquiry. We simply need to run this to ground, one way or another. If it turns out not to be ET, then it will be an amazing medical finding nevertheless.

http://drgreersblog.disclosureprojec...p=192#comments

It explains a lot in my opinion ..


For your information, 'most greys' people encounter are not PLFs and people are usually , able to discern , on subtle note between 'original specimen' and 'programmed life form ' unless of course, it's stillborn baby .

Also , the most greys I know about actually DO NOT have 5 fingers but some have 3 fingers , some 4 .
Taller entities tend to have more fingers but guess it's not the rule of thumb here .



I vaguely recall a case of 'tomato man' body , red jelly like looking caracas with eye protrusions ..recovered in north Africa many years ago,
I had to be young when I read it first but seems the case is forgotten now,
interesting I've not noticed it being mentioned on any of these ufo websites .


It was found somewhere in African jungle , could be in Libya or Sudan but I'm not sure . Pictures were taken of it, both B&W and in color .
Of course, the body was decomposing and surrounded by swarms of flies . It looked like odd colour pink -red jelly with protrusions .


Ok, this was found in Texas ...

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case378.htm


It's probably somewhere on the net ..




Trying to be helpful

[Agape]

You know . When I die I wish I could turn to rainbow ..

Some Tibetan lamas were able to do that , left almost without trace . It's called the accomplishment of the ''rainbow body'' .

The last recorded case happened some 20 years ago ( only ) . It's a rare occurence and presumably hard to achieve .

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Khenpo_Achö

The whole story can be read here ...


http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/SEVEN_JEW...DY/A-chos.html





There are more things todays science can not explain , even in microbial realm, on microscopic level than it can .

Why do they presume that when it concerns more complex and complicated level of intelligent life than their own simple rules and judgements will suffice ?


Without troubling your brain you can't get nowhere even with protozoa .


Makes me sort of wonder ...

[shadowstalker]

Thank you so much for the link Agape

[kooky]

Posted by Gemini (here)
This is just my observation. No offense meant.

To my understanding quite a few people here have been very impressed with Greer's work from 2001. Personally, I never saw any of it and thus I'm not affected by it. By reading what Bill, Huma and others have said on this thread it's very clear to me that Greer is a disinfo agent serving only himself and those who control him. Yet, some people here are defending him and/or clinging to the hope that he might still reveal (RE-VEIL) something important. The reality is anyone who is defending him is simply being apologetic. There are no excuses for his behaviour described for example by Huma above. I can understand that some may be emotionally attached to Greer due to his work 11 years ago and that blurs their vision. We are easy to manipulate by this kind of attachments and that really needs to change.

If you never saw any of it then you're in no position to base an opinion at all and just because Bill or Huma said something doesn't mean that must be the 100% truth. You're opinion has been formed anyway so it's a waste of your time reading anything Steven Greer has done because Bill's word and Huma's are gospel to you so whatever Steven has written or done will not be good enough to convince you otherwise. I think you are far too trusting of people too and many could easily turn your post right around on you.

[Gemini]

Posted by kooky (here)
If you never saw any of it then you're in no position to base an opinion at all and just because Bill or Huma said something doesn't mean that must be the 100% truth. You're opinion has been formed anyway so it's a waste of your time reading anything Steven Greer has done because Bill's word and Huma's are gospel to you so whatever Steven has written or done will not be good enough to convince you otherwise. I think you are far too trusting of people too and many could easily turn your post right around on you.

I agree my opinion isn't very solidly based. It's mostly my strong feeling about him. He doesn't appear as a very honest person to me as opposed to Bill who, in my view, is the very definition of it. Of course everybody makes mistakes and is wrong at times and one can't always trust ones feelings either. However, what Bill and Huma among others wrote just confirmed the feeling I had had about Greer before I saw this thread. That he says 'There are no ETs visiting Earth who are not benevolent.' is just utter disinfo to my ears. Still it's of course possible I'm wrong.

Just to clarify, I'm only referring to Greer after 2001. From what I've read I believe he may have been and probably was genuine before, which is why some might find it hard to accept he could have changed. Maybe he was made an offer he couldn't refuse. He seems to be pretty happy with his position, though.

[gooty64]

Gemini and all,
This was the presentation of Greer that -if I remember correctly- made feel like he is just dragging disclosure out and is insincere -not to mention arrogant, egotistical and full of BS.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0oLJNfs_rM

And then there was the Camelot interview, which became very contentious after the 20 minute mark-with loads of BS from greer.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg

[mountain_jim]

See thread in Current Events concerning Sikh shootings and father of filmaker involved with Greer here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...reek-Wisconsin

[jack]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by jack (here)
At the end of the day people want this information out there yet they refuse to support the vocations that can make it a reality.

While they will happily pay for their daily dose of sodium fluoride in order to keep their teeth shiny.

People do not pay for the flouride willingly. Their satanic governments at every level are using public funds to purchase toxic waste. There is no need to fund disclosure either, it just needs to not be suppressed by the self same satanists above. Stop making sh!t up!

Having a bad hair day?

As a matter of fact people are not being forced into consuming water from public supplies and bottled sources. Plenty of the best health giving water on the planet falls from the sky daily. And its free! I guess its an easier strategy to sit there complaining sipping on flouridated tea rather then go outside and build a rainwater harvesting system.

Cut me a break and stop blaming the Shadow People for decisions you have failed to make in regards to making yours and your families lives better.

We create our own reality each and every moment of our life's.

Quit making excuses for why people refuse to make the decisions in life which nullify the attempted enslavement by the forces at work. The majority are enslaved because they have not grown up and taken responsibility for their own lives.

Ive been awake and making smart decisions since I was 11 years old. I have never seen myself as any less then the creator of my own destiny and life has never shown me any different. I can stand proud and admit that I have integrated the knowledge I have learned to create a fantastic life for myself and those around me. Who the hell are the powers that be?

There are no powers that be for those who stand in their own power, only for those who continue to feed into the illusion that anything outside of themselves is responsible for the lives that they create.

* There is no fluoridated water because I drink the rain that falls from the sky.

* There is no economic crisis because I manifest abundance daily for myself.

* There is no war because I choose to live in peace and love.

* There is no poison in my food because I eat a carefully selected diet.

* There is no media brainwashing because I refuse to acknowledge any of its mediums.

* There is no pain because I choose to live in peace.

Wake up and quit acting like victims.

WE ARE ALL ETERNAL AND INFINITE SPIRITUAL BEINGS CAPABLE OF ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING.

Start acting like it.


Stop crying to the landlord to lower the rent when you have the ability to create worlds of your own.