Steven Greer in process of studying possible ET body scientifically

[Agape]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
There are no ETs visiting Earth who are not benevolent.
There are no abductions which are not MILABs (military abductions).
The US has no current relationships with any ET race.

I remember that interview very well, still echos in my mind.

There could be more points added .. I have no personal commitment or un-commitment with Steven Greer , I respect his effort in opening the grounds for communication about the ET - Human issue ,

at least that I think is what he struggled for and for what many of us strive for as well and as we all know,
our success in this is being limited, controlled and manipulated by bigger public agendas .

I think it's actually accurately that way , 'effort' is for free .. we can produce as much and as good effort and work as we can even under pressured circumstances but outcome may turn to be little because it's what everyone is after .

They let us do our work and secure the results, that's all we're good for.


So from that perspective I'm pretty sure Dr Greer meant well and is essentially on one bandwagoon with the rest ..

and being mislead by many and we all could tell stories about it and for some or another reason ,

people tend not to admit they've been led astray easily .


To put it simply ...not all in life is about ETs . In reality, most human lives happen closed to themselves without much awareness of the Space above .
Unless one has a precise set of information that is reliable and can stand all of your tests for reality ,
'knowing a thing' from source, out or in this world is like reading a popular science booklet .

It may leave you with 'big clues' , big eyes, great ideas and lots of phantasies ..but also spiritual conviction that 'I know now' .


And that's in conclusion what I mind on many of those 'statements' , never explained in good detail so that people get a glimpse of understanding of why 1 speaker claims the opposite of 2 speaker and the 3rd would deny them all yet them all consider themselves 'deep in the code' and 'know it alls' and shake their hands at all the conferences but in reality
are not able to sit at one table , put all the facts on table and agree on a thing.

So such and such statements have to be considered having 'relative value ' , not absolute value .

They're respective to the piece-of-truth-you-defend .


I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .

[Strat]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
it would discredit the UFO community as a whole,
i doubt it would take a hit any harder than it already has....

And what whole?

Are you talking about the big guys like MUFOn and NICAP, to late for that...

Or

Are you talking about us "little" guys that do our own disclosure..

Sorry for not being more clear, it's the end of the day and I've been writing all day. All work and no play make Strat something, something...

I mean to say that Greer would be perpetuating the stigma where the UFO Community are a bunch of nuts, and people who are on the fence about UFO's would have more reason to think none of this is real (that's bad coming from me). But honestly I don't know, I may have spoke too soon. I think he does deserve respect for (what I think was) the UFO conference where he put together all the witnesses. That was stellar.

It's just that I have a serious qualm against taking anything UFO related and turning it into a market. And that's what it is now - there's no debate about that. There is a market for UFO merchandise. The market is growing and growing with the internet. I almost want things to go back to the way things were in the 90s. Ya know, without the History Channel covering UFOs, Ancient Aliens, all of that. I'm not sure that's helping at all. I wouldn't make such a big deal out of this if it wasn't a big deal. It is though. It's scary stuff.

What happens when your child keeps screaming at night, crying about nightmares of little people staring at him. Ya know, little guys poking and prodding him. You've heard the story 100 times and now it's coming from your kid. That's serious. Especially when there is NOTHING you can do about it. You can't grab your 12ga, you can't call the cops, you can't do anything. You're ****ed. So the thought of someone making money off the topic drives me up the wall.

And not to get all butt kissy but look what Bill and Kerry did with PC. There are hours and hours and hours worth of free videos (not counting the audio interviews) online. I watched most of them without spending a cent (they're all free), and there is enlightening info in them.

So that's the thought that bugs me, if the whole documentary boils down to "oops it was nothing, but keep watching the stars and checking my website for future documentaries."

[Gemini]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
I'm sorry for being judgmental and opinionated, but please people, use some common sense! Resorting to ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS does not explain things away. greer is as human as they come and is probably deeply in debt and needs a few bucks.....and will do what it takes to get it. Not to mention, he probably needs to follow orders and the agenda too.....LOL

COMMON SENSE always to me seems to be the best drug to OD on for me.

I was a little hesitant about posting those links and you're probably right about it being "ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS". However, I don't consider the existence of reptilian shape-shifters to be just fantasy. Not that I've personally seen anything of the sort but based on what I've read from various sources I can't just deny it being at least a possibility. Then there's the contents of the links which is for sure questionable (as in not very scientific) but imo it's something one can consider with an open mind nevertheless. And yes, common sense is indeed needed but sometimes it can be quite limiting as well can it not?

[shadowstalker]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
it would discredit the UFO community as a whole,
i doubt it would take a hit any harder than it already has....

And what whole?

Are you talking about the big guys like MUFOn and NICAP, to late for that...

Or

Are you talking about us "little" guys that do our own disclosure..

Sorry for not being more clear, it's the end of the day and I've been writing all day. All work and no play make Strat something, something...

I mean to say that Greer would be perpetuating the stigma where the UFO Community are a bunch of nuts, and people who are on the fence about UFO's would have more reason to think none of this is real (that's bad coming from me). But honestly I don't know, I may have spoke too soon. I think he does deserve respect for (what I think was) the UFO conference where he put together all the witnesses. That was stellar.

It's just that I have a serious qualm against taking anything UFO related and turning it into a market. And that's what it is now - there's no debate about that. There is a market for UFO merchandise. The market is growing and growing with the internet. I almost want things to go back to the way things were in the 90s. Ya know, without the History Channel covering UFOs, Ancient Aliens, all of that. I'm not sure that's helping at all. I wouldn't make such a big deal out of this if it wasn't a big deal. It is though. It's scary stuff.

What happens when your child keeps screaming at night, crying about nightmares of little people staring at him. Ya know, little guys poking and prodding him. You've heard the story 100 times and now it's coming from your kid. That's serious. Especially when there is NOTHING you can do about it. You can't grab your 12ga, you can't call the cops, you can't do anything. You're ****ed. So the thought of someone making money off the topic drives me up the wall.

And not to get all butt kissy but look what Bill and Kerry did with PC. There are hours and hours and hours worth of free videos (not counting the audio interviews) online. I watched most of them without spending a cent, and there is enlightening info in them.

So that's the thought that bugs me, if the whole documentary boils down to "oops it was nothing, but keep watching the stars and checking my website for future documentaries."

Yup I was thinking the same thing at my end, So NO EXPECTATIONS at my end....
And thank you for clarifying. that was awesome.

[shadowstalker]

@Agape
I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .

Well I f I have ever argued with you, I am deeply deeply sorry.....
But I have 1 request, could you break down what you said , it has been a long day at my end, and I freely admit I don't all together understand what your trying to relay here..

[Agape]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
@Agape
I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .

Well I f I have ever argued with you, I am deeply deeply sorry.....
But I have 1 request, could you break down what you said , it has been a long day at my end, and I freely admit I don't all together understand what your trying to relay here..

Oh no you didn't, I'm pretty good in arguing with myself or better to say, more with the 'unseen hands' in backgrounds , rhetorical statement from me and as you say , it's the end of the day .. it's rather 2 am here .

Decent people sleep at this time don't you


So I'm not sure about detailed answers on those points from my side putting things to correct perspective, in written form , on forum , against 'big statements' made by 'big Dr' at 'big conference' would bring big change .

I think if I'm asked to answer it I will do my best to do so , depending on form and norm but it's more often feeling like speaking to cacophony of voices and opinions on the net,
big chaos surrounding these issues from most people ..and frankly in situation when no legal body admits existence of ET life on Earth ,

any kind of statement such as 'all ETs are benevolent' defies its purpose for the less fortunate majority .


I likewise believe that all Life in Universe is good in essence , and pain we all endure is a result of confrontation with coarse non living , physical, environment at start , and such a deformation of those original 'good' bio codes may produce biological and psychological reactions with living beings .

That of course concerns not only humans ..but probably good couple of intelligent species and civilisations across the Universe .

It's a clue explanation of how 'things come to being' rather than how they look like .

Besides that and I tried to speak on this in the Part 5 Bases 16 interview ,
there are numerous adverse affects observed in ET- Human encounters that are of physical, biological nature, result of collision of varying time-space fields etc .

Psychological factors of how some people experience 'abductions' and experimentation could be likened to the way humans deal with animals . And so forth .. the talk would be endless ..


I better say goodnight ...

[shadowstalker]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
@Agape
I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .

Well I f I have ever argued with you, I am deeply deeply sorry.....
But I have 1 request, could you break down what you said , it has been a long day at my end, and I freely admit I don't all together understand what your trying to relay here..

Oh no you didn't, I'm pretty good in arguing with myself or better to say, more with the 'unseen hands' in backgrounds , rhetorical statement from me and as you say , it's the end of the day .. it's rather 2 am here .

Decent people sleep at this time don't you


So I'm not sure about detailed answers on those points from my side putting things to correct perspective, in written form , on forum , against 'big statements' made by 'big Dr' at 'big conference' would bring big change .

I think if I'm asked to answer it I will do my best to do so , depending on form and norm but it's more often feeling like speaking to cacophony of voices and opinions on the net,
big chaos surrounding these issues from most people ..and frankly in situation when no legal body admits existence of ET life on Earth ,

any kind of statement such as 'all ETs are benevolent' defies its purpose for the less fortunate majority .


I likewise believe that all Life in Universe is good in essence , and pain we all endure is a result of confrontation with coarse non living , physical, environment at start , and such a deformation of those original 'good' bio codes may produce biological and psychological reactions with living beings .

That of course concerns not only humans ..but probably good couple of intelligent species and civilisations across the Universe .

It's a clue explanation of how 'things come to being' rather than how they look like .

Besides that and I tried to speak on this in the Part 5 Bases 16 interview ,
there are numerous adverse affects observed in ET- Human encounters that are of physical, biological nature, result of collision of varying time-space fields etc .

Psychological factors of how some people experience 'abductions' and experimentation could be likened to the way humans deal with animals . And so forth .. the talk would be endless ..


I better say goodnight ...

Decent people sleep at this time don't you
Not without help ...LOL

Thank you so much for your reply, it was awesome, I understand better what you where doing now.

Plz forgive me, as I rarely ever seek to my left as it seems at times, seeing who is making statements can sway a person and there decisions at times, so I try to keep my head clear and try to be blind, As I feel the message is as important as the person but i know ppl look to ppl before the message...
And yes I have seen your interview on Part 5 Bases 16 interview I was very inpressed...Thank you for that..

And thank you for clarifying and sweet dreams..

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Gemini (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
I'm sorry for being judgmental and opinionated, but please people, use some common sense! Resorting to ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS does not explain things away. greer is as human as they come and is probably deeply in debt and needs a few bucks.....and will do what it takes to get it. Not to mention, he probably needs to follow orders and the agenda too.....LOL

COMMON SENSE always to me seems to be the best drug to OD on for me.

I was a little hesitant about posting those links and you're probably right about it being "ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS". However, I don't consider the existence of reptilian shape-shifters to be just fantasy. Not that I've personally seen anything of the sort but based on what I've read from various sources I can't just deny it being at least a possibility. Then there's the contents of the links which is for sure questionable (as in not very scientific) but imo it's something one can consider with an open mind nevertheless. And yes, common sense is indeed needed but sometimes it can be quite limiting as well can it not?

Show me a human with scales and a forked tongue that can change from a snake into a horse and I'll have a conversation with you concerning the possibility that reptilians are among us.......until then I figure we are all just basically mammals called human beings....perhaps hybrids from apes or hairy neanderthals.....

[Magnus]

It looks like Greer have already been overrun by Lloyd Pye in the race for disclosure.

http://www.starchildproject.com/
http://www.lloydpye.com/

Furthermore i believe it's possible that Greer has been offered a ticket to one of their fancy doomsday retreats, if he just plays along and does what he's told, this will be his reward.

[sandy]

Well, Well,

Here I go with my cynicism What a great marketing ploy IMHO for donations to role in!!!!]

More and more I understand less and less as to how the human race is looking for answers to solve the world's problems through disclosures, et/ebe's, predictions, premonitions, archons, saviors of one kind or another and on and on.

The answer is staring us in the face FREE ENERGY!!! The technology is available but suppressed. If all the world would just friggin quit looking for the answer and see that we the people and Free Energy are the answer. We will solve absolutely all the economic, environmental, famine, water, energy,and evil on the earth if we stood together to bring about the emergence and implementation of Free energy and not ET's, Gods of one form or another, ascension etc,

Until the burden of survival and scarcity is removed we will remain in victim mode looking for something greater than ourselves to set us free>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We will not fully evolve spiritually as a species either without Free Energy as survival keeps one on the hamster wheel trying to stay alive and more in animal mode than the Spirit of Love.

[Flash]

Thank you Bill for your answer and the video, it is probably almost the only video of Camelot I had not seen. It explains very well what you think happened with Greer and others that split Project Camelot.


For the rest of us who may not have seen it, here is part 2

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj8ApkHvOro

[ljwheat]

Posted by sandy (here)
Well, Well,

Here I go with my cynicism What a great marketing ploy IMHO for donations to role in!!!!]

More and more I understand less and less as to how the human race is looking for answers to solve the world's problems through disclosures, et/ebe's, predictions, premonitions, archons, saviors of one kind or another and on and on.

The answer is staring us in the face FREE ENERGY!!! The technology is available but suppressed. If all the world would just friggin quit looking for the answer and see that we the people and Free Energy are the answer. We will solve absolutely all the economic, environmental, famine, water, energy,and evil on the earth if we stood together to bring about the emergence and implementation of Free energy and not ET's, Gods of one form or another, ascension etc,

Until the burden of survival and scarcity is removed we will remain in victim mode looking for something greater than ourselves to set us free>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We will not fully evolve spiritually as a species either without Free Energy as survival keeps one on the hamster wheel trying to stay alive and more in animal mode than the Spirit of Love.

I think we are hitting all around the edges of the underside of the roll or title sheppardship, stewardship, property manager = over the herd.

We the herd follow the people in these stewardships ( Steven Greer, Billy Gram, John Denver, Dolly lama, Mom and Dad, Sheldon Nidle, Bruce lee, who ever your behind is the core power in you that’s given away to the one that’s steward over your belief.

When Edison created his own power, generators and gave it away free to his Nabors’s. Why isn’t there 7 billion Edison’s? Westward bound wagon train in the 1700‘s, when chicken was for dinner. Who ran to Walmart for prepackaged Purdue chicken breasts? How did a Guru Become a Guru? why didn’t we build our own houses?

Why do we need Steven Greer to do what he dose? Giving away your power, time, thoughts, money, anything?

If your not in the prosses of becoming, then your part of the hope in following stewards that lead no where. Teach a man to fish. Then stand back and let him become a fisherman.

Civilization is teaching people to follow the fisherman, like a bunch of sea gulls. When its in the nature of the sea gulls to fish from birth anyway. Don’t feed the animals has a very, very deep meaning. = personal stewardship, in sky, earth, wind, fire earth tools of living will become what you need.

We all have been turned into co-dependant to civilization and the self-appointed or appointed Sheppard’s, stewards, leaders, Guru’s, inventor’s, over the herd.

So how fare out ahead of the herd are we really, if we are civilized? If you’re a groupie your not free. Build your own power generator, from the thread FREE BOOK’s running now http://exopoliticshongkong.com/Free_On-line_books.html down load the PDF book of Nikola Tesla’ full diagrams included “Free” the materials coast a bit, but the energy source is for ever free to use as you like.

Take back your power of do it yourself. And all the Steven Greer’s will fade away.

John xoxo

[Tangri]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
What I found interesting in Stevens blog entry was that it was not a hint of a body, but a claim of actual tangible body that might make it to being classified as ET in origin. Steven is a MD and he claims to have seen the body, I guess he would recognize a human being of local origin when confronted with one.

So he is not vague, but instead goes out on a limb and states that there is an actual body, which he himself has seen and doesn´t consider human and that it can and will be scientifically studied. He claims this to be a fact that will produce results - which ever way, human, ET or a cat, was it?


UT

Well, being a MD does not give a qualification to distinguish clarification between cloned tissue and extraterrestrial entity's tissue if that person is not familiar with same event or contact more than few,. An MD needs another branch of Science to support the Hypothesis.

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
What I found interesting in Stevens blog entry was that it was not a hint of a body, but a claim of actual tangible body that might make it to being classified as ET in origin. Steven is a MD and he claims to have seen the body, I guess he would recognize a human being of local origin when confronted with one.

So he is not vague, but instead goes out on a limb and states that there is an actual body, which he himself has seen and doesn´t consider human and that it can and will be scientifically studied. He claims this to be a fact that will produce results - which ever way, human, ET or a cat, was it?


UT

Well, being a MD does not give a qualification to distinguish clarification between cloned tissue and extraterrestrial entity's tissue if that person is not familiar with same event or contact more than few,. An MD needs another branch of Science to support the Hypothesis.

Indeed Levent Tonga, I had not really(at all) thought about the possibility of cloned tissue. What I was referring to was that I would expect an MD to recognize a normal or abnormal body as human as long as it is in boundaries of homo sapiens. The dna-testing is very interesting prospect. However as has been brought up the star child skull has already been tested and it is not homo sapiens, I guess that would merit more attention actually than it has so far.

UT

[kemo]

While I don't doubt Bill's ability to make a decent vid of the body what then? Remember the alien life form found in Siberia was it. Turned out to be a hoax which is precisely what any video would be debunked as. If all you have is photographic evidence this will maybe make a small splash and then be forgotten. I can see that the forensic etc evidence for some proper scientific evaluation would be expensive. I might send a few quid. I can spare it - especially as I don't do it very often!

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Little Ishta (here)
I for one do not have 'Sucker' written on my forehead. He does not need more money. Come to think of it.... if he wants us to help 'fund' this project... why not release this Sirius now... and if enough people believe then they can contribute more. Why wait until they have more money?? If Disclosure is so important release it now.

He already has the money. The Kickstarter campaign was fully funded, he says.

http://drgreersblog.disclosureproject.org/?p=161

[777]

If it stinks of cash, then it stinks of cash.

A bit like how spades are actually spades and should be called thus.

[HaveBlue]

Say what you like but without Greer there would be no Camelot/Avalon. Bill himself has said more than once that Greer gave him the inspiration to 'pick up the baton'.

Having an IQ over 40 is so lonely at times!

[ljwheat]

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
Say what you like but without Greer there would be no Camelot/Avalon. Bill himself has said more than once that Greer gave him the inspiration to 'pick up the baton'.

Having an IQ over 40 is so lonely at times!

That’s great in a sense HaveBlue, --- Going across a craves on a glacier and all party’s being tethered together for safety as in real life. And Greer slips for what ever reason into the craves, and everyone on that tether try’s there very best to pull Greer back to safety, but his EGO keep getting heavier and heavier threatening to take out the entire expedition, cutting him loose is and was the only IQ option was it not?

John xoxo

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
Say what you like but without Greer there would be no Camelot/Avalon. Bill himself has said more than once that Greer gave him the inspiration to 'pick up the baton'.

Ah, but there's a twist to this. What you wrote is correct -- but the reason we started Camelot was because Greer had NOT been doing anything that he'd promised to.

We were naive at the time, and just thought, in a quite non-competitive way, that we'd be kind of helping out while Greer got his act together. Later, we came to understand what was really going on.

Do you see?

Greer's done nothing at all since 2001 except publish a couple of books.

He's been sitting on stuff. Meanwhile -- Camelot innocently and enthusiastically set about doing the job the Disclosure Project publicly committed to do.

To some degree, we were helping the REAL, gradual, strategically planned, drip-feed disclosure process -- as long as we didn't release too much, too soon. (This is the "control-rods-on-the-nuclear-reaction" metaphor.)

The PTB never saw us coming, because it all happened so quickly. We were carefully watched -- and when the reaction threatened to get 'out of control' (by the second half of 2009) -- we were taken down. Camelot is no longer a threat... in my opinion.

** This is a really important post for everyone to understand.