Keshe Foundation sends warning to the US and its associates

[mrfixitrick]

Posted by Fredenit (here)
Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology? Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology?

Great thread! Here is some of the evidence I have grokked from transcribing Keshe Foundation videos...

According to MT Keshe, he was raised in a house where radioactivity was a common topic. He became a Nuclear Engineer at Queen Mary College, University of London specializing in reactor controls. He became disillusioned with the nuclear bureaucracy, and ended up doing independent research and experimentation. He has been working on gravity and energy ideas for over 30 years, as have several organizations...he just happened to be the first to discover the practical gravity and power applications. He emphasizes that he is an engineer, not a theorist or physicist, and that he builds what he conceives. His plasma reactors apparently operate similar to the rotating plasma-magnetic fields of the Earth's core.

There is a couple of international patents applied for... Micro Plasma Reactor ...Shows a miniature power supply that will last more than 5 years without refuelling.

and, "Gravitational and Energy System"
This patent is well over 100 pages long, and shows many Gravity and Energy applications.(click on "Description", in the patent links above, to read about them)

Keshe has published three books in 2009-2011, with several more promised in the next year or two.
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/shop/category/view/1

I have personally heard from someone who works at the Keshe Foundation that the plasma-treated water used for healing is quite potent, and seems to work. Keshe is focussing on health applications as a means of gaining acceptance of his multi-facetted plasma-based technology.

The amazing physics that Keshe speaks of are hinted of, in other sources, if one digs deeply. For example, the coating of carbon nano particles in his passive "CocaCola" plasma chambers, seems related to papers I have seen on plasma deposition of nano-carbon. Also, his description of counter-rotating magnetic fields generating gravity are similar to US patent #6417597,
for a Gravitational Wave generator issued in 2002

Aside from emotional outbursts, and cries of "scam", I have yet to find anyone seriously questioning or criticizing the basis of Keshe's ideas and inventions. On the other hand, we have yet to see a working demo from him that generates power or shows flight.

One thing is for sure...we are certainly lucky to live in such interesting times!!

[Jean-Luc]

Posted by Fredenit (here)
Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology? Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology?

Question 1: From lateral thinking. As far as I understand, M. Keshe has always been at odds with the core physics he was being taught at school & university from a relatively early age. While becoming a regular nuclear engineer (London university), he has kept digging in his initial intuition ever since.

Question 2: Just hints, no absolute proof,

(a) This paper: www.keshefoundation.com/pdfs/CO2_paper.pdf: the creation of liquid and solid CO2... at room temperature and atmospheric pressure.

(b) The very interesting results the Keshe Foundation has been obtaining for the last 3 years in the field of health, in particular in many "desperate" cases of neurological diseases and coma, with a however apparently very simple treatment: ingestion of water and/or inhalation of air that have been treated with a plasma processor specifically adapted to the patient's profile and pathology. http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/applications/medical. I have personally met several of these patients.

(c) The (still officially unexplained) success of the capture of a US drone in Nov 2012 over Iran: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...pesncom-part-i

So no bulletproof proof. Just hints... Serious hints. Hints that are backed by several international patents (as a protection against fraud & robbery), 3 very interesting books, several more books to come (apparently as free PDF) and a firm willingness to pass on the knowledge in a non for profit perspective.

Hopefully a new demonstration to come will help more people feel more confident with the reality of the technology.

To be continued...

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Post udapte : links repaired

[danceblackcatdance]

he shows the CO2 as a liquid and solid at room temp in the video on this page (as well as the air powered torch)
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...she-foundation

[Fredenit]

I would like to say thanks to,

danceblackcatdance, / Jean-Luc, / mrfixitrick.

for the information supplied and I must confess, there is more to the Keshe Foundation than I first realised.

Jean-Luc, two of the links you supplied could not be found :- (a ) ( c ) but in all the information was of value.

But why is Iran still following the Nuclear Power program when they have the advanced technology that is being proclaimed?

Why does the Keshe Foundation have the disclaimers on its web site if all that it says is factual.

I am a realist, and to that end I only take on board truth and reality, as mrfixitrick says at the end of his post, quote ( on the other hand we have yet to see a working demo from him that generates power or shows light ) and that is after five years of registering his patents on the 04-04-2007.

What I will say is that I am not calling the Keshe Foundation a scam and by no means am I debunking his work, BUT and it is a big BUT with lateral thinking and careful investigating, we will find there is far more to Mr. Keshe than is being displayed, I feel it an error to accept what he is saying as truth.

There is an Alien Intervention going on at this moment, and the technology that is coming from Mr. Keshe is way out of our time zone, unless of cause he also is not from this Planet.

I will have no more to say on this issue except that the New Message from God internet site :- http://newmessage.org will give you all the answers you will ever require about the Alien Intervention, Go look and learn about the Truth.

[Jean-Luc]

Posted by Fredenit (here)

But why is Iran still following the Nuclear Power program when they have the advanced technology that is being proclaimed?

Here is Merhan Keshe's (partial) answer :

There are references in the forum and on the internet about the present situation with nuclear technology of Iran.

First of all the Iranian nuclear program is over fifty years old and Iran will carry on with Irans' work in parallel with all other works in the world of nuclear ,the like of Iran participation in research environment of CERNS in Switzerland and so forth.

Secondly Iran spaceship program is a new development for the nation as only on 8.3.2011 Iran announced that they have spaceship program.

Where, this is still a begining development for all its applications and to complete the whole understanding of the new SSP; I think this will take the mankind at least about a thousand years to may be understand about 10 % of the whole intelligence of the technology.

Thus Iran SSP and nuclear research will go hand-in-hand as full knowledge of nuclear materials has not even being understood by US, neither Russians nor Iran.

Thus, when one puts the question if Iran has SSP, why they need their nuclear program, this shows primarily the lack of the understanding of the working of science by the questioner.

In respect to the question that by Iran having the SSP program, then one become a superpower and can use it to destroy other nations, this again shows the play game of the media men to sensationalize to have more to sell their papers and sites.

As I have said before and repeat it again;

The destruction power of the technology of this new discovery is so horrendous that the nations of the world will come to accept it not of choice but the fear of their inhalation.

Thus peace has eluded man for centuries by developments of more and more devastating technologies, that one nation could rule the other by use of these new weapons.

This time with all nations possessing exactly the same tools, they all know that the devastation is so unimaginable that no one dares to try, so fear of lose become the deterrent and tool of peace. As we have seen with the nuclear race weapon technology of the cold-war, which it was never used but enforced peace in Europe for the last part of the past century in Europe.

We have left it to men of intelligence and power too long to bring peace and prosperity on this earth, and it did not happen, no we give the man the toll of self-destructions and see if he dares to use it to destroy everything the race of the man has worked for.

Peace has been the imaginary dream of paradise of the man, and now that it is at his grasp, he will not be allowed to reject it, but man will embrace it to achieve more beyond the boundary of the blue planet.

http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb...=2615&start=10

I am personnaly not fully satisfied/convinced with this. I have asked the following questions on the Keshe Foundation's forum:

About the pursuit of nuclear energy projects worldwide

Despite public concern with respect to the Fukushima crisis, as far as I see and if nothing changes, inertia, resistance to change, conflicts of interest and maximisation of profits will apparently – and sadly enough – lead to the building of many more nuclear power stations worldwide, as reported by the nuclear lobby in the media shortly after the accident.

Even if according to your own words, SPP is currently partially understood, it is my understanding that, in comparison with traditional alternative energy sources such as e.g. solar or wind, SPP seems to have far more potential – right away – to be in a position to refrain mankind to further put its children at risk with the development of hundred's of more nuclear power stations. What in your view would be the time frame for such a change (hopefully less than 100 years, which is the time frame for the non-sense nuclear fusion ITER project)?

About the new deterrence strategy

You seem to imply that SPP will basically replace today’s nuclear deterrence strategy with the difference that instead of lying in the hands of some five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus a handful of others, it would now be shared by all nations worldwide, whatever the term “nation” means today and tomorrow. Eyebrows lifting a little bit...

To most people, this will sound like this: instead of giving the matches to 10 guests to a party held in a hay barn with closed doors and no emergency exit – however unfair some of these guests might be – the matches are now given to all 200 guests. Is the comparison farfetched? Is Humanity ready for such a leap forward? I have the feeling that many ambassadors at the September Peace Reunion might not like the idea so much. How do we go about this major issue?

I would add that to most officials, this prospect will seem so much beyond belief (i.e. much more than the very prospect of new alternative energy sources SPP is offering as some sort of side product) and terrible, and will create so much cognitive dissonance, that they will simply discard the very idea and probably consider you as some mythomaniac, even when they are shown a demonstration. Once again, how do we go about this? Tough questions.

Awaiting a reply....

[sigma6]

Posted by eni-al (here)
This will seem pessimistic, but the countries are determined to control and gain more power by whatever means, a conference and release of technology, probably won't make much difference. They can attend, but they won't listen or act on anything, realistically. Keshe should have released blueprints and plan for the technology long ago, countries will repress it anyway whether brought to the nations directly or not, at the least the US would, others would likely follow up. A fail-safe plan should exist, so if the governments try to withhold anything, everything would be available to the public worldwide. He intends to not release it for everyone to use and not for profit, not got much to lose. If he claims he or his family is threatened, we'll never see it, unless he can find protection somewhere.
It is good of what is intended, peace and technology revealing, but the governments will prefer to do what they want and get what they want, there is only so much one organisation can do against the current governments who are quite domineering and dismissive.

By releasing it to all the major governments of the world, someone is going to crack, it's the same thing that used to exist with the Oil Cartels, there was always one country willing to sell below the 'agreed' price cause they needed the extra cash. Sooner or later one country is going to break through the 'glass' ceiling of terror being imposed by the US/Anglo/NWO Hegemony. And there is no question each country that has the means is working on prototypes as we speak. Maybe that is all Keshe was hoping for, while his own individual efforts thankfully are still pointed at the little guy and act more as a sounding board to let the world know it IS OUT THERE. (as there are still people too mentally blocked to believe it, even on this site apparently...)

I think I agree with you, the governments, as corrupt and depraved as they are, insulated from reality by trillions of dollars of taxpayer funds will never release the technology until they have no choice. But that will happen as soon as enough people pull their heads out of their arses and realize we don't have to 'pay' anything just to be alive on this planet. Work to contribute and serve others, yes, 'pay' no, the word is too connotative of the existing banking system fraud, which everyone is beginning to figure out is nothing more then an elaborately complex pyramid scam designed to slowly, inexorably, extract all the wealth and energy of anyone participating in it. This is a mathematical fact, similar to the same principles applied in a casino.

Sooner or later one country will come forward, these PTB are losing control, something is going to come forward with the support of their government and present this technology to the world and when they do they will be heralded as a hero among nations. A true saviour to their people. Japan was almost there, but they didn't put it into an international spotlight and draw enough attention to what they were really doing, thus they got stabbed in the back with the fake tsunami, before they could get it off the ground. Interestingly, there were similar stories coming out of New Zealand and Australia and they seemed to have been 'hit' too... coincidence? I don't think so...

Everyone is still caught up with "how is the world going to continue to survive, if we don't give all our money to the government to build 'roads and hospitals' and have the rest of it sucked up by banks and their various schemes, how can the world function without digital computers keeping track of paper money that is printed based on financial formulas that have completely lost touch with reality, whose sole hidden purpose ALL ALONG was to draw away everyone else's labour and production... Well guess what! - the world will survive quite EASILY... just take the existing system, subtract the huge parasite that is drawing off 90% of the wealth from the system and voila, just as Benjamin Fulford accurately stated you would have an economic boom overnight practically... the economic downturn in the world is ORCHESTRATED!!! That's like saying how are we going to be safe in the streets unless each street vendor doesn't pay a bunch of thugs half their till every week... Americans (and many other countries around the world) have been living so long with corruption and organized crime they can no longer differentiate it from anything else, I don't even know if there is anything else in the government to compare it to....

[Jean-Luc]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
By releasing it to all the major governments of the world, someone is going to crack, it's the same thing that used to exist with the Oil Cartels, there was always one country willing to sell below the 'agreed' price cause they needed the extra cash. Sooner or later one country is going to break through the 'glass' ceiling of terror being imposed by the US/Anglo/NWO Hegemony. And there is no question each country that has the means is working on prototypes as we speak. Maybe that is all Keshe was hoping for,...

You hit the mark. This is more or less what he told the audience in a recent lecture at the Keshe Foundation Center in Ninove, Belgium.

Everyone is still caught up with "how is the world going to continue to survive, if we don't give all our money to the government to build 'roads and hospitals' and have the rest of it sucked up by banks and their various schemes, how can the world function without digital computers keeping track of paper money that is printed based on financial formulas that have completely lost touch with reality, whose sole hidden purpose ALL ALONG was to draw away everyone else's labour and production... Well guess what! - the world will survive quite EASILY... just take the existing system, subtract the huge parasite that is drawing off...

Not sure about the 90% but agreeing on the parasite concept.

Voltaire, who among some interesting views... also messed up and made a fortune with the sales of military equipement to the State, wrote :

"Un pays bien organisé est celui où le petit nombre fait travailler le grand nombre, est nourri par lui, et le gouverne. ”


i.e. "A well-organized country is one where the few have the many to work, gets nourished by them, and governs them."

[9eagle9]

XerXes.

Iran as its sole entity is part of what is formerly known as Persia, which once included Iraq. There isn't a whole lot that culturally separated Iran and Iraq save that Iraq attempted to become a secular nation in a rather brutal way. After S. Hussein was taken out of the equation the West got a wake up call as to what sort of fire his brutal rule was attempting to keep a lid on. There was no other way to contain the hostility of five different variants of Islam save for having an iron fist. (this is not putting a stamp of approval on Husseins rule...it just is what it was)

You can't reason with extremists who are culturally, religiously and familial-y programmed, not to mention this sort of programming has altered them genetically.

Why? That's why. Even people who have not had hundreds of years of this sort of insular programming are impossible to reason with.

Flip over to this side of the pond. Is attempting to communicate with extreme Islam who has hundreds of years of religious, cultural and family programming any different than attempting to rationally speak to those people who are bound up in contemporary religions like GFL adherence? Or Christian extremists?

No you can't be rational with them.


When we speak of Muslims we are not speaking of the people we co-habit here with in the US, we are talking about extremists who live in an extreme culture, based on an extreme distortion of the religion--literally raised from childhood to be steeped in hatred of anything that didn't toe the line with their extreme religious distortion.

Persia as a whole has been involved in many wars and conquests, until the single entity divided into countries that basically had squabbling amongst themselves about how extreme one could be in their extreme religious distortion. Persians of both persuasions have been engaging in warfare against each other, their own people, and their own religion for decades now. If you took the West out of the equation, they'd still continue to war with each other. That area of the Middle East has been at war with each other or the West since time out of mind. There may not be an official label or offensive or defensive action slapped on these wars ...
they exist and they have since Biblical times.

Posted by sdv (here)

completely ignoring the reality that Iran, aka Persia, has engaged in brutal wars of conquest for centuries

Could you back this statement up with some facts?

Since 1979, when the Islamic Republic of Iran was created, the country has only been at war once - when it was invaded by Iraq.

Since 1979, the USA has invaded a country three times (Iraq twice) and has been involved in military conflicts in numerous countries (often 'dragged in' as some sort of peacekeeping effort).

From an outsider's point of view the USA is a very dangerous country, and Iran is not.

By the way, I live amongst Muslims, happily and peacefully. (Just as with Christians, there are different kinds of Muslims, and each Muslim is also an individual person.) I find that the Trans-Atlantic region has a very distorted view of the religion and the people. Oh, and they also make great food so an invitation to a Muslim wedding or Eid celebration is the best (but avoid the tea with condensed milk!).

[sigma6]

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
im enjoying this thread too, as always thx for all the sharing of info & experience...
i only mentioned before because what gives Keshe the right to speak about defending Iran? am sure he wouldn't be against his own people, but is his an 'official' statement on behalf of the country i wonder... it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?
yep, i'm aware of legalese and strawman / incorporated countries thingy, been looking into that recently... there is a huge difference between moral and legal of course, and whilst i would say i'm agnostic too we are supposedly all equal under God's (or common) law..

He's not 'threatening' that is what I jumped on Nancy for and it has obviously worked, if you come waving a baseball bat in my face, and I tell you that if you don't stop I am going to take it off you and shove it up yer' ****. That is not threatening, that is a warning, and it is a defensive posture, it may be a little exaggerated, as Keshe is nowhere near being that aggressive, if you analyze what he is saying the US will either have to fly into Iran's airspace or into their territorial waters... and ANYONE even suggesting they are going to invade anyone else's private space is the real threatening party....

I guess the game here is to 'interpret' which is closer to truth... the US wants to invade Iran in order to "save the world from 'evil blah blah blah..." (like only that sociopath Hillary can shovel) or Iran will "sink ships and/or ground aircraft" that fly into their airspace (which may very well kill anyone who happens to be in them...)

I think Iran clearly has the higher moral justification. And there is no evidence if they had nuclear power they would become despotic, unless of course it was only a counter measure to the US/Anglo/NWO Hegemony...

Do you think if the Japanese had the opportunity to take out the planes and 'kill' the pilots that flew over their country that dropped atomic bombs on innocent men, women and children, would you honestly in your right mind call that... (drum roll pleazzzze....) 'an attack on Americaaaaa!!!! ???

[danceblackcatdance]

sigma6.. yeah 'warning' is a better word.... everyone has the right to self defence.. we probably agree that the US policy on pre-emptive strikes (illegal invasions) pushed the moral limits

Fredenit re: the drone:
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...pesncom-part-i

the CO2 is demonstrated in the video interview i posted above, but i admit the substance in the tube could be 'anything'... but i choose to believe him at this time until proved otherwise... power demonstration in a basic form here: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...ber-2011-video

edit: forgot to add, in this video somewhere he says he can't prove ET's are real but he knows they are

[sigma6]

Posted by Fredenit (here)
Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology?

Ummm... he's a scientific genius?

Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology?

That would be the universities and other scientific individuals he has already presented it to, the fact that his patents weren't turned down, and a big flattering thank you from Mr Stephen Hawkings rewriting his theory of the "origin of the universe" the day after the university he presented his scientific work to accepted it (95%) but wouldn't publish it (5%) Which speaks of another hidden syndicate so sophisticated and organized for them to have 'moved' that quickly... talk about a bunch of stinkin' hypocrites... but at least you have your 'evidence'...

Or is it this Foundation wants to wave the red flag at the tormented psychotic bull called the Western Powers of dominance.

?????? OOOOkay... let's see... he's offering free energy (an end to 1% elite control, environmental pollution, and the phony energy scarcity) and a quantum standard of living increase to every man women and child on the planet) as well as health technologies for currently terminally ill people caused by same criminal syndicates controlling big pharma. And also a space technology application, our ticket to transitioning into a 'star trek' economy based on unlimited resources, where individual pursuit of growth will be the only real goal in life, as there will not be as much need to kill and steal when food, water, electricity, heat, and transportation are free.... I'd say you doing that double speak thing in a**-backwards mode again...

What is more to the point, it is well known by now, the world is engaged in an Alien Intervention

Maybe, maybe not, as much as I do believe there is some kind of alien presence, what the details are is still definitely in the 'SPECULATIVE' dept if you ask me, especially as regards to what is exactly going on, unless you take everything channelled as holy gospel, which I for one do not... next...

which will have catastrophic repercussions for Humanity if they pull it off. The Keshe Foundation in all reality seems to be speaking more for causing war and bloodshed than stopping it.

... don't think so...

Also if Iran has all this well advanced technology, why are they so busy with Nuclear Power!! Something does not add up,

Science is science, just because we understand how gasoline engines work why are people studying steam engines??? and he gives a clear explanation if you read his site; to fill in the gaps of their existing knowledge, (guess they don't want to rely on their western colleagues in that dept.... can you blame them?) his scientific understanding is a quantum leap in science and technology... apples and oranges...

I thought the people on this Forum were sound thinkers and could grasp the reality of situations, I feel there needs a lot more thought put into this than has previously been put to it. Enlightenment is not being able to see the picture, but to see through the illusion in front of it.

Welcome to the club, I thought so too, but I guess were all imperfect after all, but at least we get an opportunity to share information and learn from each other, hopefully 'sound thinking' will develop along the way, until then...

Interesting comment on enlightenment, to that I can offer this excerpt;

I read about the hesitation of the Buddha, before beginning His Mission:
“I have discovered a profound truth, difficult to perceive, difficult to understand, accessible only to the wise. “Human beings busy themselves in the vortex of the world and find their pleasure. It will be difficult for men to understand the law of the concatenation of causes and effects, the suppression of the samskaras (ideas that one forms which depend upon ignorance).

“Of what use to reveal to men that which I have discovered at the price of laborious efforts? Why should I do so? – This doctrine cannot be understood by those filled by desire and hatred .. it is mysterious, deep; hidden from the vulgar mind. If I proclaim it and men are unable to understand it, the only result will be fatigue and annoyance for me.”

Brahma Sahampati exhorts the Buddha to conquer His hesitation:
“May the Venerable One preach the Doctrine! There are beings whose spiritual eyes are hardly darkened by light dust, these will understand the Doctrine. In the land of Magadha a false doctrine has prevailed up to the present, elaborated by men whose minds were contaminated (by ignorance). Now open to them the gate of Immortality (literally, of the deathless).

“Arise, O Victorious One ! Travel through-out the world, O Chief of Pilgrims (beings who wander in the round of successive births and deaths). There are some who will understand Thee.”

The Buddha insisted strongly on the necessity of examining the propositions put forward by Him, and of understanding them personally before accepting them as true. The ancient texts leave no doubt on this point:

“Do not believe on the strength of traditions even if they have been held in honour for many generations and in many places; do not believe anything because many people speak of it; do not believe on the strength of sages of old times; do not believe that which you have yourselves imagined, thinking that a god has inspired you. Believe nothing which depends only on the authority of your masters or of priests. After investigation, believe that which you have yourselves tested and found reasonable, and which is for your good and that of others.”

“Doubt is an incitement to research, and research is the path to true knowledge.”
“Why are these teachings secret? Does that mean I can’t write and tell about them?”

“No, Alexandra, these teachings are not called ‘secret’ because it is forbidden to talk about them. They are ‘secret’ because so few who hear them understand.”
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[sdv]

When we speak of Muslims we are not speaking of the people we co-habit here with in the US, we are talking about extremists who live in an extreme culture, based on an extreme distortion of the religion--literally raised from childhood to be steeped in hatred of anything that didn't toe the line with their extreme religious distortion.

Persia as a whole has been involved in many wars and conquests, until the single entity divided into countries that basically had squabbling amongst themselves about how extreme one could be in their extreme religious distortion. Persians of both persuasions have been engaging in warfare against each other, their own people, and their own religion for decades now. If you took the West out of the equation, they'd still continue to war with each other. That area of the Middle East has been at war with each other or the West since time out of mind. There may not be an official label or offensive or defensive action slapped on these wars ...
they exist and they have since Biblical times.

Phew, you could say the same about Christians! MOST Muslims in the world are nothing like you describe them at all.

No. I am not a Muslim, I do not want to be one, and I have never met a Muslim who has tried to convert me (but have spent my whole life rebuffing, gently, Christians hell bent on converting me so that I can 'find Jesus').

No religion is better or worse than another, and so on.

We are all one and when are we going to move beyond prejudice and ignorance and accept that, and stop using such unreasonable arguements to justify our aggression?!

[9eagle9]

You were reading my mind. I was thinking the exact same thing as I posted, Extreme Christianity attacks whomever doesn't toe the line, even if it's other Christians.

No difference in extreme Muslim and Extreme Christianity.


What is funny is a few years back I watched a home made documentary about a family who buried their brother, a service man who was gay. He was killed in action and some nutty X-treme Xian ( I hesitate to call them Christ-ians) showed up to protest the funeral. A lot of family members expressed sentiments that they did not even know the fallen soldier was gay until the Xian soldiers showed up--thereby drawing even more attention and sympathy to the very thing they claim they are against.

Durrrh....

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
sigma6.. yeah 'warning' is a better word.... everyone has the right to self defence.. we probably agree that the US policy on pre-emptive strikes (illegal invasions) pushed the moral limits

Fredenit re: the drone:
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...pesncom-part-i

the CO2 is demonstrated in the video interview i posted above, but i admit the substance in the tube could be 'anything'... but i choose to believe him at this time until proved otherwise... power demonstration in a basic form here: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...ber-2011-video

edit: forgot to add, in this video somewhere he says he can't prove ET's are real but he knows they are

[GarethBKK]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Iran as its sole entity is part of what is formerly known as Persia, which once included Iraq. There isn't a whole lot that culturally separated Iran and Iraq save that Iraq attempted to become a secular nation in a rather brutal way.

My understanding, which is frequently wrong: The majority of Iranians speak Persian and are ethnically caucasian, whereas the majority of Iraqis are Arab and speak Arabic. Since language and culture are bound, there is a great deal of cultural separation, I would imagine.

[sigma6]

He emphasizes that he is an engineer, not a theorist or physicist, and that he builds what he conceives. His plasma reactors apparently operate similar to the rotating plasma-magnetic fields of the Earth's core.

Thanks for pointing this up fixit, I overlooked this, it just dawned on me, one of the major factors for their prejudice, ie. he isn't a 'papered' scientist. I need to go through his site more, this is the same attack that was applied to Stan Meyer, the totally a** backward bogus argument that because he wasn't a true 'scientist' that he wasn't qualified to 'explain' or justify his real world working inventions... exposing the university profs as having a secret agenda based on legal interpretation... (occult 'freemason' control in these institutions)

I say it is bogus to say to someone who has invented anything that physically works that it doesn't count just because they aren't a papered scientist. Either you have a real result in the real world or you don't, it's the scientist's job to get off their butt and figure out the numbers on the blackboard... not to refute reality because it doesn't jive with their limited text book theoretical understanding...

They destroyed Fleischmann and Pons cold fusion and Stanley Meyers on his water car design even though it was directly witnessed by a McDonnell Douglas engineer who confirmed it (Paul Czysz) and they are doing the same thing to Keshe, poo-pooing him because he isn't a proper physicist, 'scientist' ... this is ridiculous, especially because these are the people that he HAS shown it to... I hope people have learned by now to see the snobbery and superficiality of this... the joke is if he was a physicist, he would have been so misinformed with the limited and compartmentalized text book teachings, he would never have discovered it!! That's what they are so upset about, it's exposing their game...

thanks to whoever supplied this link, I hadn't seen it yet...
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...she-foundation

And regarding how can anyone possibly know anything about anti-gravity (even though Keshe doesn't call it that) was the cool interview that David Sereda did with Boyd Bushman in his corny video "From here to Andromeda" but the interview was good, and Boyd shared the simplest proof that gravity can be manipulated by explaining a simple experiment that anyone can duplicate, combining two magnets forced together against their magnetic fields and then doing the classic 'dropping from an equal height' experiment... and lo and behold... guess which one falls at a SLOWER rate.... now that is ingenious... and indisputable proof... that gravity has the POTENTIAL to be engineered... this experiment could be done in every grade school, high school and university, but do you think anyone is bothering to? naaawwww.... LOLOL who are the scammers now!

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwOFCSFms4

[realitycorrodes]

[realitycorrodes]

Beware of Willful Ignorance

[9eagle9]

Put it this way, Persia was a culture that was intentionally separated. The Arab culture in particular used to be one of the most creative, harmonious, and hospitable cultures on the planet--long ago. A magnificent culture that kept that heritage for a long and there's still some remnants of that great philosphy they shared still in place. The enmity between Israel and Arabia is quite deliberately manufactured. That greatness was destroyed, these are all Abrhamic religions traced back to Abraham, they all been divided and conquered and separated --for a reason.

Very sad actually

[jaybee]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. .

After a first reading of the OP....
Keshe is talking about Iran's ability to DEFEND it's borders and itself....not it's ability or desire to ATTACK and kill.
Keshe is saying that IF Iran is attacked, they will be able to shut down the missiles and submarines etc that are doing the attacking....
The US must certainly have the same ability to do this with it's own borders..?
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Interesting point jaybee (lol) ... now here's the question does the US have this capability, what if their scientists were only thinking of aggressive applications of this technology? or pursued different paths along their study and understanding of the atom then Keshe did? this is bleeding, bleeding cutting edge, with many interpretations on exactly what is going on inside an atom, the US black op science may not have gone down this path... Although I have no doubt they are shifting gears furiously and working on it if it isn't already there... but they are still euchred, because it's a defensive weapon and they bet the farm on a world police state, jack boots, everyone wearing their 'proud' security badges, waging endless wars 'to save the planet'... and they wanted the seat at the head of the table... and now they got it, but now they are worried that no one might show up ... oops, time for a new propaganda campaign...

Hiya.....I don't know if the US would have the SAME kind of technology, that Keshe gave to Iran (and now other countries)...to defend it's own borders...

but they must have SOME kind of similar? technology to defend itself from attack from the air... It wouldn't make sense if they didn't....?

I came across this a couple of days ago when doing a search on the Tesla Death Ray.....(in regards to it maybe being used to shoot down the Roswell 'Craft'... )


This New York Times article was written 72 years ago!!!


http://rense.com/general10/deathray.htm


short extract...

This new type of force Mr. Tesla said, would operate through a beam one- hundred-millionth of a square centimeter in diameter, and could be generated from special plant that would cost no more then $2,000,000 and would take only about three months to construct.

A dozen such plants, located at strategic points along the coast, according to Mr. Tesla, would be enough to defend the country against all aerial attack. The beam would melt any engine, whether diesel or gasoline driven, and would also ignite the explosives aboard any bomber. No possible defense against it could be devised, he asserts, as the beam would be all-penetrating.

If this was being talked about all that time ago...one can only imagine what they have now.


ps...nice work on this thread...


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[Jean-Luc]

On September 21 the following conference will take place at the Keshe Foundation, Ninove, Belgium : Tesla meets Keshe - Prof. Konstantin Meyl

Venue : Keshe Foundation, Ninove, Belgium, Sept 21 - 10-17.00. Cost: 50 EUR.
Registration :http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/ev...ew=event&id=27
Anyone interested can register (Limited number of seats).
FYI, I will attend.

In this lecture and day event at the Kf Center, Prof. Dr. Ing. Konstantin Meyl will examine and explain the differences and similarities between the Keshe Technology and Tesla Technology.

Prof. Dr.-Ing Konstantin Meyl teaches the subjects power electronics and alternative energy technology at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen. Being a 15-year-old pupil he already carried out the first measurements on eddy current brakes. His dissertation at the Technical University of Munich (1979), as well as his doctoral theses at the University of Stuttgart (1984) were dedicated to the three-dimensional calculation of eddy current.

As development leader and licenser of the company Bauknecht AG (ATB) he relocated to the Black Forest to the Technologie Zentrum ("technology center") of St. Georgen where he has conducted a transfer center of the Steinbeis Stiftung (?Steinbeis foundation)? for economic promotion of Baden-Württemberg since 1988 until March, 2003.

Since April 2003 the 1th transfer center for scalar waves is being perpetuated without interruption with the same employees in the identic spaces of the technology center, but without the Steinbeis foundation.

After he had adopted a professorship (1986) in the nearest academy, Prof. Meyl could turn again to the research of electromagnetic field eddies. The discovery of the potential vortex which occurred at the desk and not in the lab in the night of the 1.1.1990 brought the desired success. The books with the title ?Potentialwirbel? volume 1 (1990) and volume 2 (1992) have been awarded in 1994 with the technology price of the German society of EMV technology. The award handover took place in Munich in the course of the exhibition Electronica. The award prooves the importance of the theory for the sector of the EMC.

More info on Prof. Meyl: www.meyl.eu
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Konstantin_Meyl