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    Quote Posted by NancyV (here)
    sdv, talking about the year 1979 on is only the last 35 years. I said CENTURIES. Iran was part of PERSIA before it became the Islamic Republic of Iran. It's pretty easy to google the history of the Persian empire. Please feel free to do so. Start looking at history around 500BC. America has only been engaged in wars for a couple of hundred years. Iran has us beat in the experience area as far as engaging in wars.

    I find it amusing that people like to blame America or the UK for things their countries have been doing for many centuries longer than the US has even been a country. We are all human. Whenever humans get together in cities and countries they eventually engage in wars. It's a human problem not an American problem. But if anyone feels the need to blame the US for everything... feel free to do so. However you will just be deluding yourself.
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    So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. He also blames the US, UK and France basically for the condition of the world right now, completely ignoring the reality that Iran, aka Persia, has engaged in brutal wars of conquest for centuries. He makes Iran sound like the total victim here and seems to claim some sort of moral high ground as he paints Iran as a nation desiring peace. I'll have to call bullcrap on this entire letter. It's one of the most blatant and disgusting attempts at threatening other nations I've seen in many years.

    My opinion of the Keshe Foundation has turned around 180 degrees. I would not refute the possible veracity of the claims of the US, UK and France making deals around the Nuke industry, then state
    Quote but I don't KNOW what the facts are
    . Keshe is putting himself on the very same level as those he accuses from the US and it's allies, and even couching it in trying to bring about World Peace (by killing). He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master.

    If you think you don't like living under the present PTB, wait until you have Muslims in charge. Persians were known for their brutality throughout the centuries. And you women....hope you like wearing a burka and not being allowed to drive. It won't be a pretty picture. Sometimes we are better off with the devil we know. Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free.
    First off it seems like a glitch because the the response to quote looks to have picked up two of Nancy’s quotes, regardless, all the more to comment on, but like Unified Serenity, this is just begging to be picked apart…

    Let’s begin untwisting by deconstructing the misconceptions and false assumptions (imo), at first blush one would guess your on the military payroll (corporate welfare) or have family in the military? or receive some benefit from some military based economic industry. There seems to be a weird slant in there somewhere… I always love it when people reach into the past to make a comparison, in this case though I don’t see the tie in. Unless you are trying to prove how Iran has progressed to become a civilized nation over the last 300 years. Of course that beggers a stark contrast to the UK, like what is their excuse? They have certainly polished a civilized ‘veneer’ but war, and drug trafficking and destabilizing other economies via the banking cartels, or as Max Keiser likes to say "the global headquarters for Banking fraud" still seems to be their modus operandi. So that is an interesting justification for the US corporation’s killing spree, ‘beginner’s rights’…hmmm…. Well I guess they are only human as they test out their killing technologies, while trying to take over the economic resources of other countries… brilliant (not)

    But make no mistake it's a losing game they are playing... the US was manifesting 50% of world GDP after entering WWII by coming late in the game and using it to their economic advantage... today they are controlling maybe 20% of world GDP... the trend continues... thus why they are instigating a war (it's an outdated and desperate strategy to try and get a 'return' on their investment in military hardware, and it looks like they have bet the farm on it. To this I say look at ancient history, the Romans tried to do the same thing, then it dawned on them. They found a cheaper way. They would use their superior intelligence and use a different force 'deception' they would don the clothing of sheep and become a world power through the hijacking of the followers' of the Way' and impose their institutions on it, it was a long term strategy, but they knew they were nearing extinction, and had to work with what they had left, (their system of empire building sciences, their politics, their legal system all based on their brutal philosophy epitomized in the totally anti-christian saying "Let he who would be deceived, be deceived"

    Quote So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people.
    You got the world peace part right... and it must sound odd to your ears to hear some other country other then the US threatening another country with death and destruction, but here's the difference. It the US that has their nose up Iran's butt (and everyone else) Iran lives in peace within it's borders. You may not like their bravado, but everyone on this planet has the right to defend themselves. That's why your not supposed to go sticking your nose up everyone's arse... but just like in Roman times, the very thought of even 'challenging' the 'Empire' was evidence that the propaganda was not working and called for an immediate 'response' of military retaliation... tough ti**ies for the US eh...

    Not sure what you how you can even compare Iran to the US even when you make the transparent attempt to compare Iran 2500 years ago to the US in the last 50. That is a joke. But compared by the last century you have absolutely nothing to stand on... What is your justification for the US having 800 - 1200 military bases around the world? Do you really buy "they're saving the world" BS? Get real.

    Then you actually admit to the 'veracity' of the US/UK/France Nuclear cartel (all Latin, derived from Western Roman...)
    Quote "but I don't KNOW what the facts are"
    Therefore your ignorance is your justification? (hah!)... another brilliant stroke (lol) Of course I know for many just using one's head and seeing what is in front of one's face is quite a challenge these days (in all seriousness) but nonetheless that is the task at hand my dear.

    Bottom line there is a difference by faking your ego has been 'victimized' and then getting your friends to camp around George Mcfly's house and then barging in with guns blazing blowing holes through everyone in sight then stealing all their stuff while claiming you're saving the world and waiting patiently in your living room vs. be willing to blast the f*** out of bunch of said outlaws trying to break into said home, even an 8 year old could see that (that's the intellectual age of a moron btw)

    Quote He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master.
    Now you are really giving yourself away. Like you honestly don't think any of the readers can't tell the difference between a defensive posture and an aggressive one? Again my only response, get real that is insulting, but let's go there. If you have to go over to someone's house and bang on their door while your friends are all camped around the front lawn, that's aggressive, and if your the guy looking out the window telling them to f*** off (or you will blow their heads off, if necessary), that would be the 'defensive' guy... nuff said

    Quote If you think you don't like living under the PTB.....
    Whoa! Whoa! what sneaky baloney 'slider' is this! Have you so lowered your standard? We exist in spite of the PTB. Honey we could have had free energy with Tesla (and who knows how many others) scarcity is a technological mind controlled propaganda... THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WHAT the PTB do... pull your head out right there. That is just too dangerously close to exposing yourself.

    Quote Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free
    I suggest you read up more on his site and listen to his interviews. He despises those who call it 'free' energy... although I use the term myself... and if he has to sell it, that is only because right now, that is the ONLY way he can get it into the market, thanks to your glorious PTB... as they have tried to stop him every step of the way...

    I just can't believe what I read when I see a message like this, I can only guess at your true motives... and wonder...
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    Default Re: Keshe Foundation sends warning to the US and its associates

    Quote Posted by bogeyman (here)
    ...There is strong indications, the development of this technology is in advanced stages by certain elements of the intelligence community, the military and private contractors. It is similar concept to the way UFO technology works. ...

    ...There are many players in the field of black technologies, and they play for keeps, and they do not play by the rules many of us follow in everyday life. There are too many vested interests, too much money, research and time involved....
    Dude according to Lazar and Lear you can check it out any time by going down to Area 51 on a Wednesday night (least traffic at that time...) Of course the US has some version of this technology and due to their wonderfully karmic greed and covetnous they chose to use trillions of American taxpayers dollars to keep it all to themselves, and now Keshe is ruining their party... these black operations that have 'higher clearance' then the president (HINT, HINT) aren't trying to save the world but beat it into submission... and now all those trillions have been wasted on this sham and it is doomed to fail (thus NWO flunkies must be sh***ing their pants)

    As for their rules, I think we need a new paradigm, Keshe and others have been slowly wising up. Keeping things public, open sourced, presenting it for purposes of peace and backing it up by DISTRIBUTING the patents (he should have skipped patents altogether, as the registration process created a legal justification for the PTB to pretend they have some jurisdiction, since technically according to trust law he ceded legal title to the registrar... DON'T PATENT (update: DON'T REGISTER ANYTHING without conditions, like All Rights Reserved for e.g.) anything you want to keep legal title to!!!... anyways that is another story)

    Point is, they are not killing as many, and I don't think it is because they are becoming more evolved but afraid of the ongoing exposure each botched death creates in a world of networked instantaneous communications... each new 'Breitbart' (?) or Aurora mass shooting (?) fails to work as planned, their propaganda can't keep up with the communication network of free thinkers (like us for example)
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    Quote Posted by NancyV (here)
    So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. .
    After a first reading of the OP....
    Keshe is talking about Iran's ability to DEFEND it's borders and itself....not it's ability or desire to ATTACK and kill.
    Keshe is saying that IF Iran is attacked, they will be able to shut down the missiles and submarines etc that are doing the attacking....
    The US must certainly have the same ability to do this with it's own borders..?
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    Interesting point jaybee (lol) ... now here's the question does the US have this capability, what if their scientists were only thinking of aggressive applications of this technology? or pursued different paths along their study and understanding of the atom then Keshe did? this is bleeding, bleeding cutting edge, with many interpretations on exactly what is going on inside an atom, the US black op science may not have gone down this path... Although I have no doubt they are shifting gears furiously and working on it if it isn't already there... but they are still euchred, because it's a defensive weapon and they bet the farm on a world police state, jack boots, everyone wearing their 'proud' security badges, waging endless wars 'to save the planet'... and they wanted the seat at the head of the table... and now they got it, but now they are worried that no one might show up ... oops, time for a new propaganda campaign...
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    Quote Posted by Kindred (here)
    As were many Christians. We truly need to stop with this religion 'bashing', although I'll be the first to suggest that all 'religions' need to be dispensed with. They are the cause of Much division on our world... by Design. (divide and conquer, yes?)

    NancyV - I do think you're a bit overboard with the Muslim caricature - Iran is an advanced culture, and should not be even remotely compared to Saudi Arabia, which is, indeed, a real throw-back to the 12th century patriarchal paradigm. In point of fact, it is the Saudi's that are helping to promote the overthrow of Syria (an attack on Iran, by proxy), and I'm certain that they were part of the overthrow of Libya and other mideast countries during the 'arab spring'. This was supported by a warning by PM on YT to me, by a black-ops operative where he stated that 'all the uprisings have been controlled'.

    As I state in other posts in the other thread, I do take issue with Mr. Keshe's stance on the taxation of this new energy and that, hopefully,
    I just wanted to take a few points Kindred, and thanks for a lovely thoughtful commentary, so this is an 'agreement' comment (I know I can be fairly ascerbic...haha) I don't agree with the throw out religion part, but here's what I mean... take the word 'religion' and replace with 'philosophy' then get to work treating it like any other branch of knowledge, ie. applied reason and logic, and scientific truth, and like physics eventually lead to quantum physics so to a 'scientific' (ie. truth and logic based approach WILL lead us to an understanding of consciousness, creation, etc... ie a 'true' metaphysics, but I do agree because it is so subtle and complex it has been taken over, contaminated and the biggest culprit is the Satanic Vatican, the greatest seat of evil on this planet imo.

    This is based on my premise that man, a rational being with a volitional consciousness, cannot live without some kind of 'programming' some kind of value system, or philosophy. If we just had the uncontaminated truth, of who we are, where we came from, why we are here, and what we should be doing about it, that could transform the planet. And this btw is why I admire people like Mehran Keshe for surviving this long and making it this far... bless his soul

    And great point on Saudi Arabia, don't they suck at the same t*t as the Bushes? For whatever reason they are so in bed with the West it's a joke, and just because they have Mecca, like the Vatican, it is theirs to exploit and milk for every ounce it's worth...
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    Quote Posted by GarethBKK (here)
    I see a lot of hatred and bitterness from the writer of the letter, which is odd for an 'instigator of world peace'. I see a lot of vitriol directed against some nations, while another is extolled. This is odd for someone 'under one banner of mankind and not nationhood'. I see so much contradiction that I would suggest a lot of hugs for the writer and some therapy.
    If you have been through the hypocritical, propaganda, and having your life's work suppressed for YEARS! being ridiculed and despised, your honour and integrity stepped on like a door mat, from having Universities turning down your scientific thesis (even though you have proven working technologies based on them, what used to be considered the hallmark of scientific endeavour, but instead having good ol' Stephen Hawking stealing it and rewriting his thesis the next day...

    ...to the threat of being assassinated, poisoned, jailed, and treated like a piece of sh** by the Americans and Canadians, being jailed for 11 days while a bunch of scumbags go through every detail of your personal computer data, while you are trying to raise humanity out of it's sh** eating ways, who are so brainwashed they say things like like Nancy about how 'grateful' we should be for having PTB that sucks out 90% of our labour and energy in exchange for the opportunity to wave a flag at a royal parade, or an Olympic event, I would be a little pissed myself, if not totally postal at that point. His resentment if any is balanced and justified. And I believe he is being 100% accurate for now...

    I think he is acting as a liason for Iran in some manner, but at a distance... I think it's called ... ah ... yes that's it... diplomacy... yes, I detect a subtle diplomacy here somewhere... Let's not forget how the US exposed itself as being an incredible a**hole toward Iran and shut the door and locked itself out diplomatically.

    It's hard for many to see but bullies are really insecure cowards and if you can get them on a level playing field (as they love to stack the deck...) you will see this fundamental and psychological principle bear itself out every time...
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    Quote Posted by freespirit (here)
    It's unlikely Israel will make a move on Iran without America to back them up.
    Add Russia to the mix who are something like allies to Iran.It's not so one sided as one might think.
    Agreed, the US dropped a bomb, as there was no protocol for such a weapon at the time and I think, being the 'opportunists' they were took full advantage of this situation... Since then of course protocols were put in place. In their twisted logic (to my way of thinking) they decided that Nuclear was deterrant by aiming missiles at each other which assured their 'mutually agreed destruction' (I mean this is an insult to any rational thinking living soul... but I believe it was just another cover, an excuse for the US/Russia to build up their armaments in the first place ... another story...) Then Russia pronounced it 'might' use the nuclear option if it felt it was necessary and now I think the US has made a round about on that too... Thus the old game exposed once again... they used our energy and labour, on the grounds of maintaining a sacred trust, which they are now breaching (the highest sin btw in trust law is BREACH of trust)

    I think the military talk of the day is how to use 'limited' nuclear strikes to advantage... ie. how to dump sh** in someone elses back yard in order to 'beautify' your own garden... and round and round these 'think tank' discussions must go... lol...

    I don't think Israel could pull it off either, I don't think America would back them, because the day they do they would either have the rest of the world finally openly and aggressively against them or they would have to make a play for immediate occupation and military control of the whole planet (and I am sure they think along these lines) which they have just figured out that without the financial leverage the dollar was having on lowering everyone elses standard of living through the banking cabals fraudulent manipulations and without the geopolitical power they were hoping to project with their carriers, fighter jets, and nuclear weapons, their plans are starting to backfire... again this is karma on a global scale, technology is a two edge sword (or should a say scimitar)
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    Default Re: Keshe Foundation sends warning to the US and its associates

    The war crimes are horrendous so we need to keep awareness alive. To discourage investors in this horrendous psychopathy which runs our world. Cradle to grave industrialized war mongering sold under the name of peace prizes, what gaul they have. So many ways to consider and study this area of psychopathy. Foremost in my mind about it is, that this label, psychopathy, needs to be emphasized, much more than the puppet shows of political natures. Call it like it is, don't get side tracked in political talk. To blog and complain about politics is like whining for a bottle.

    Try to express the slightest facts about war-profiteering, to some of the beneficiary-stock-owners, who blithely ignore their karma. Then you kill your income for a year, as a small town, self-made contractor. Been there, done that. By not complaining loosely, solutions can still come from studies. As i prefer thankfulness for the freedom to live in my country peacefully. While simply holding forth, the consciousness of human potentials, for a "community way of knowledge". (See http://www.newknowledgelibrary.org/) . I've been reading a few of these books lately and find them uplifting and would love to discuss any potential relevancy with Dr Keshe's Foundation work. Not that there is any instantaneous starting point. Reality of communities is a very complex topic. Especially when the subjects turns to the origin, the practicality and the destiny of humanity.

    A critical mass within our world may already have raised some spiritual awareness. To the point where 'religion' does not always mean psychopathic puppeteering. Puppeteering which placates the masses or mesmerizes them, to take their money. To support the psychopaths on top. This trend is increasingly under the spotlight and i say well done there.

    I do not see materialistic freebies as the solution for world peace nor a form of human salvation. In fact i see the energy solution as one of disciplined management in life. A tricky hypnotic of the psychopaths, IMO, has been the banishment of self discipline from the ordinary human's life. I see "free energy" as being yet another "solar rights" issue. Where humans will still have to map out collection-zone claims of some kind. Just as laws now protect solar-collection-rights. (So as not to cast shadows on a neighbor's solar collector, within legal limits). Otherwise, the remaining 'free' options are nuclear in your cellar. Like a politician's campaign speech draws crowds. But would nuclear mining operations ravage mother earth? Would hawkers just manufacture more dismal waste streams and pave paradise?

    I do not instantly accept in advance: Dr Keshe's or anyones rational for promoting nuclear medicine. In that i've yet to see how it might "save more lives"-- Save life better than, say alternative medicine. Management of "nuclear waste", or nuclear byproducts, or nuclear recycling, does seem to be a very sensitive issue. Centralized nuclear controls of some kind seem to be the unsolved looming mystery. What if, indeed, sensitive commodities were suddenly, almost magically, producible. Upsetting long standing monopolies, worldwide? I doubt capitalists really want free-enterprise of this unsettling, free-market kind and neither socialists for that matter. I wonder, because mysterious outcomes might kill somebody's income, all of a sudden. Or kill a big department at the central control bureau. Bureaucrats of every persuasion prefer "business as usual". It is the same trick, which has kept psychopaths on top of well-meaning, but unwitting people, for many centuries. Trick 'em with the carrot and the stick.

    At the same time, i am glad to see progress where humanity might "work it out". Thanks for all the Avalon posts covering multiple facets of the works of Dr Keshe.
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    Normally I wouldn’t comment on a diatribe such as yours, sigma6, but I have a big weakness for nasty men, having been married to 4 of them and still am married to one nasty SOB whom I love dearly. Your efforts went so far beyond the norm and were so delightfully nasty (or “acerbic” if you prefer) that I felt it would be neglectful of me to not say thank you for the laughs. I do appreciate the time and effort you expended to attack me and defend your beliefs even though you have misinterpreted and are continuing to misinterpret what I said through your own filters. But it’s always more fun to make others fit into your beliefs instead of trying to understand what they are actually saying. You’ve done a swell job of that! LOL…

    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    Let’s begin untwisting by deconstructing the misconceptions and false assumptions (imo), at first blush one would guess your on the military payroll (corporate welfare) or have family in the military? or receive some benefit from some military based economic industry. There seems to be a weird slant in there somewhere… I always love it when people reach into the past to make a comparison, in this case though I don’t see the tie in. Unless you are trying to prove how Iran has progressed to become a civilized nation over the last 300 years. Of course that beggers a stark contrast to the UK, like what is their excuse? They have certainly polished a civilized ‘veneer’ but war, and drug trafficking and destabilizing other economies via the banking cartels, or as Max Keiser likes to say "the global headquarters for Banking fraud" still seems to be their modus operandi. So that is an interesting justification for the US corporation’s killing spree, ‘beginner’s rights’…hmmm…. Well I guess they are only human as they test out their killing technologies, while trying to take over the economic resources of other countries… brilliant (not)
    To corroborate your guess and give due credit to your intuition, yes I have some minor connection to the military in that 3 of my husbands were military and 1 of the 3 (my present husband) was also a black ops counter terrorist who has been to most of the Middle Eastern countries, including Iran. My son was also in the military. I personally was a DEA undercover contract agent back in the 70’s in Mexico and South America. So I have a viewpoint that is familiar with certain areas of corruption of the US government from my husbands and from my own experience. Speaking of banking fraud I was also married to the owner of a Wall Street firm (a very rich Jew). He educated me on the realities of rampant fraud in the Banks and the markets. I was appalled at the extent of it but glad to finally understand how the whole system is geared to defraud and manipulate people. Unfortunately (or fortunately) when I found out that he truly felt it was normal and right for “smarter” people to take advantage of gullible people, and how much he delighted in using his money to control others, I had to divorce him about a year after we married. But I learned a lot so the experience was valuable.

    Quote But make no mistake it's a losing game they are playing... the US was manifesting 50% of world GDP after entering WWII by coming late in the game and using it to their economic advantage... today they are controlling maybe 20% of world GDP... the trend continues... thus why they are instigating a war (it's an outdated and desperate strategy to try and get a 'return' on their investment in military hardware, and it looks like they have bet the farm on it. To this I say look at ancient history, the Romans tried to do the same thing, then it dawned on them. They found a cheaper way. They would use their superior intelligence and use a different force 'deception' they would don the clothing of sheep and become a world power through the hijacking of the followers' of the Way' and impose their institutions on it, it was a long term strategy, but they knew they were nearing extinction, and had to work with what they had left, (their system of empire building sciences, their politics, their legal system all based on their brutal philosophy epitomized in the totally anti-christian saying "Let he who would be deceived, be deceived"
    To think that war is “outdated”, as you have said, is wishful thinking at best. One of the problems alternative peace/love type people often seem to have (and I don’t know if you are that type as your words would seem to belie a peace/love stance) is that if they become proponents of peace and love they can often think EVERYONE is suddenly waking up and evolving. They might think no one wants war anymore. No truly sane person ever did want wars unless it was for survival, but governments, dictators and controllers profit from wars. Greedy humans who like control games are found in abundance in governments and they seem to have no problem with wars. As long as this is so, and it has been so throughout history, wars will continue. Sure, certain countries haven’t been engaged in overt wars in decades, but many of those countries are engaged in covert ops and in killing off or controlling their citizens in other creative ways.

    So the Romans were brutal. Hopefully you’re not hinting that the Persians were not equally brutal and were only victims. If so, then you need to go back and read some more history. War is a brutal business, period.


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    Quote So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people.
    You got the world peace part right... and it must sound odd to your ears to hear some other country other then the US threatening another country with death and destruction, but here's the difference. It the US that has their nose up Iran's butt (and everyone else) Iran lives in peace within it's borders. You may not like their bravado, but everyone on this planet has the right to defend themselves. That's why your not supposed to go sticking your nose up everyone's arse... but just like in Roman times, the very thought of even 'challenging' the 'Empire' was evidence that the propaganda was not working and called for an immediate 'response' of military retaliation... tough ti**ies for the US eh...
    “Iran lives in peace within its borders”? LOLOLOL… Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas, terrorist groups even by the most liberal of interpretations. They also fund dissident groups in Iraq in order to actively destabilize their government so they will have more influence in the future. Iraq is a valuable prize and Iran would like to have that prize. So by proxy, through funding terrorists, and directly, with their covert agents, Iran is quite active in world affairs and is not “living in peace within its borders”. Of course most of their activities are covert nowadays but they're still active. They also kill many of their own political dissidents within their country and often condemn people to death for crimes that wouldn’t get the death penalty in the nasty, mean USA. Having a “Iran is better than the US” battle is puerile and pointless. All civilizations, tribes and countries have either a brutal past or present. The world has been defined and has evolved through wars.

    And before you say that the US has invented the terrorist scenario in order to control people, that’s not actually true. They have exaggerated it and used it to their advantage, but there have always been those who use terror tactics to intimidate and kill. It could be said that the US is using terror tactics in many areas of government and in its relations with other nations. The chem trail program, the DEA and the “war” on drugs, pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, TSA, CIA, NSI, FBI, IRS, SEALS, Special Forces, etc etc. all use terrorism as a tactic upon occasion. Iran also uses terror tactics on it’s own population. So do China, Russia and many other countries with maybe a very few exceptions and to different degrees.


    Quote Not sure what you how you can even compare Iran to the US even when you make the transparent attempt to compare Iran 2500 years ago to the US in the last 50. That is a joke. But compared by the last century you have absolutely nothing to stand on... What is your justification for the US having 800 - 1200 military bases around the world? Do you really buy "they're saving the world" BS? Get real.
    The US IS on a course of attempting to control the world’s resources and economies, or it LOOKS like it is. It depends on who you think the REAL controllers are. The President and congress and even the military may just be low level puppets. I have no need or desire to defend the US as I only like to look at what’s happening and don’t really care where it leads. Any nationalistic pride I might once have had is long gone, but I do see a lot of hypocrisy in those who criticize one or two countries and ignore others who are equally as repulsive or will be equally brutal when they have the opportunity.

    Quote Then you actually admit to the 'veracity' of the US/UK/France Nuclear cartel (all Latin, derived from Western Roman...)
    Quote "but I don't KNOW what the facts are"
    Therefore your ignorance is your justification? (hah!)... another brilliant stroke (lol) Of course I know for many just using one's head and seeing what is in front of one's face is quite a challenge these days (in all seriousness) but nonetheless that is the task at hand my dear.
    I only know what others have said and what various news sources report. That is called hearsay. So do I THINK the US is involved in nasty world manipulation, killing lots of people and engaging in power mongering games? YES. Do I know exactly what the details are or who is ultimately pulling the strings? NO. If you think you KNOW all the hidden things that are going on, that’s wonderful. I don’t know. I only have theories and opinions. Even my husbands stories of his involvement in political assassinations, conflict with ET’s at area 51, training groups of insurgents, like the Taliban, who later turn out to be tyrants of the worst kind, and other exploits throughout the 70’s and 80’s…are only his stories. I cannot KNOW if they are true. I like to believe him because the way he told me and how long it took for him to tell me these stories lead me to think he’s recalling powerful memories. Plus he does have a LOT of injuries and scars since he’s been shot, stabbed and injured so many times. He even has whip marks on his back and scars on his feet from being tortured when he was a POW for a couple of weeks in Vietnam. He escaped.

    I suppose some would think it’s ignorant to not believe what they believe are established "facts", but I think it is ignorant to think you know the facts because someone has told you something. In fact, ALL of the facts in any given scenario are usually unknowable and there are different lies at every level. Most humans lie…that’s a fact.


    Quote Bottom line there is a difference by faking your ego has been 'victimized' and then getting your friends to camp around George Mcfly's house and then barging in with guns blazing blowing holes through everyone in sight then stealing all their stuff while claiming you're saving the world and waiting patiently in your living room and blasting the f*** out of a bunch of said outlaws trying to break into said home, even an 8 year old could see that (that's the intellectual age of a moron btw)

    Quote He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master.
    Now you are really giving yourself away. Like you honestly don't think any of the readers can't tell the difference between a defensive posture and an aggressive one? Again my only response, get real that is insulting, but let's go there. If you have to go over to someone's house and bang on their door while your friends are all camped around the front lawn, that's aggressive, and if your the guy looking out the window telling them to f*** off (or you will blow their heads off, if necessary), that would be the 'defensive' guy... nuff said
    Sometimes you’re the aggressor and sometimes you’re the victim or defender. Such is life. We’ve all played all roles.
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    Quote If you think you don't like living under the PTB.....
    Whoa! Whoa! what sneaky baloney 'slider' is this! Have you so lowered your standard? We exist in spite of the PTB. Honey we could have had free energy with Tesla (and who knows how many others) scarcity is a technological mind controlled propaganda... THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WHAT the PTB do... pull your head out right there. That is just too dangerously close to exposing yourself.
    You jumped to another misinterpretation there and basically stepped on your dick. But that’s ok, I understand.

    There doesn’t have to be a justification for what the PTB do, they simply do it and will undoubtedly keep doing it until they are dead. They’re human, they’re greedy….and they might be controlled by even greater powers that are more negative than your worst nightmares. Even if there’s a revolution, many revolutions end up with those who overthrow the previous powers turning out to be WORSE masters than the old ones they overthrew. Power corrupts. This has been demonstrated time and again over millennia. There’s always some greedy bastard waiting anxiously in line for their chance at power.

    Of course free energy has been around for decades and I’ve read about Tesla and other inventors and researchers for many years. One of my decades old passions is “free energy”. No matter how great Keshe’s technology turns out to be I am greatly disappointed that he has made this political threat, strongly hinting that he intends to use HIS inventions as tools of manipulation and intimidation. Not much different than the existing control paradigm. You can make as many excuses for him as you want, but excuses don’t work as justifications for acting as badly as those you hate. It makes you equal to them unless your INTENTIONS remain uncorrupted. Of course I AGREE that you often have to use your enemy’s tactics against them. But the danger is that you may replace a very bad system with one that is worse.


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    Quote Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free
    I suggest you read up more on his site and listen to his interviews. He despises those who call it 'free' energy... although I use the term myself... and if he has to sell it, that is only because right now, that is the ONLY way he can get it into the market, thanks to your glorious PTB... as they have tried to stop him every step of the way...

    I just can't believe what I read when I see a message like this, I can only guess at your true motives... and wonder...
    Another silly misinterpretation and baseless hint that I might have questionable ulterior motives. LOL…. You really do love stepping on it, don’t you?

    I’ve read Keshe’s website and listened to his interviews for a very long time now. That’s why I’m surprised at his latest stance with the threats and talks of violence and manipulation. Of course “free” energy doesn’t mean without cost. It only is supposed to mean that it produces more energy than it needs to operate …or it’s over unity, needing no external power source. Besides that it's the commonly accepted term. If it bothers someone...tough.

    In conclusion: I am not defending the foreign so called policy of the US. I am saying that anyone who thinks Iran is now or will be in the future or was in the past any BETTER than the US is deluding themselves. If Iran becomes capable of using a nuclear weapon or some powerful weapon as described by Keshe, they will act the same as the US, Russia, China and other countries who have nukes. They will quickly become more powerful tyrants and bullies than they already are. Just because you seem to consider the US to be your enemy, and Iran hates the US, does not make the enemy of your enemy your friend. It is wise to not let hate blind one to the point where you ignore the potential danger from ALL who desire power and control over others.
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    This will seem pessimistic, but the countries are determined to control and gain more power by whatever means, a conference and release of technology, probably won't make much difference. They can attend, but they won't listen or act on anything, realistically. Keshe should have released blueprints and plan for the technology long ago, countries will repress it anyway whether brought to the nations directly or not, at the least the US would, others would likely follow up. A fail-safe plan should exist, so if the governments try to withhold anything, everything would be available to the public worldwide. He intends to not release it for everyone to use and not for profit, not got much to lose. If he claims he or his family is threatened, we'll never see it, unless he can find protection somewhere.
    It is good of what is intended, peace and technology revealing, but the governments will prefer to do what they want and get what they want, there is only so much one organisation can do against the current governments who are quite domineering and dismissive.

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    Quote In conclusion: I am not defending the foreign so called policy of the US. I am saying that anyone who thinks Iran is now or will be in the future or was in the past any BETTER than the US is deluding themselves. If Iran becomes capable of using a nuclear weapon or some powerful weapon as described by Keshe, they will act the same as the US, Russia, China and other countries who have nukes. They will quickly become more powerful tyrants and bullies than they already are. Just because you seem to consider the US to be your enemy, and Iran hates the US, does not make the enemy of your enemy your friend. It is wise to not let hate blind one to the point where you ignore the potential danger from ALL who desire power and control over others.
    Unfortunately it is this kind of thinking that drives the USA in its destructive aggression across the world.

    I look at the following and perhaps begin to understand why so much distorted thinking is needed to justify why the USA has to protect itself from the huge threat that Iran poses (and by the way, there is NO evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons):

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...001/?mobile=nc

    http://mercatus.org/publication/worl...tries-combined

    I live in a country where armed burglaries are a part of everyday life. In this context it is reasonable for me to protect myself with burglar bars and security gates (and the wealthy have security guards and high walls and electric fencing and so on). But it is not reasonable for me to go out in an armoured car with a weapon and intimidate and attack every person I come across who looks supicious (every day I cross paths with a person who fits the profile of the criminals who commit these crimes, but I have no right to assume that the person is going to do me harm). But what I see is the USA behaving in just such a way and using distorted thinking to justify this behaviour as self defence.
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    am wondering if Keshe is speaking on behalf of Iran or the Foundation... might think thats pointless distinction, but surely any official statement from country itself would come from the gov / military?



    ps. also.. OT but isn't Hamas is now a legal 'government' not a 'terrorist group', so isn't anything they do is legit, just like any other country's warmongering gov?
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    Quote ... but I have a big weakness for nasty men, having been married to 4 of them and still am married to one nasty SOB whom I love dearly. Your efforts went so far beyond the norm and were so delightfully nasty (or “acerbic” if you prefer) that I felt it would be neglectful of me to not say thank you
    Wow, that sounds kinky, I don't know whether to get sucked into that trap or run... but I guess I wasn't far off when I said ‘twisted’ either... but you called it not me, so each to his own... I am trying not imagine the toys in your house... (ouch!)

    Quote I do appreciate the time and effort you expended to attack me and defend your beliefs even though you have misinterpreted and are continuing to misinterpret what I said through your own filters.
    Let me guess you really meant the opposite of what you were really saying?... like double speak?... I do like your tactical maneuver here, laying the premise that you are the 'victim being attacked'... but I would call that 'projecting' at best...

    Quote To corroborate your guess and give due credit to your intuition, yes I have some minor connection to the military in that 3 of my husbands were military...My son was also in the military. I personally was a DEA undercover contract agent back in the 70’s in Mexico and South America.
    mmm... don't you just love being nailed... but I do admire your straight up acknowledgement, accolades are my vitamins... so I will take the point... However you do realize that completely validates my point? you are steeped in mind control propaganda... swimmin' in it... lets face it, the US military is the number one purveryor of mind control propaganda on this planet, that is being part of the problem, aiding and abetting the parasitical organism that is the corporate government

    Quote I have a viewpoint that is familiar with certain areas of corruption of the US government from my husbands and from my own experience. Speaking of banking fraud I was also married to the owner of a Wall Street firm (a very rich Jew). He educated me on the realities of rampant fraud in the Banks and the markets. I was appalled at the extent of it but glad to finally understand how the whole system is geared to defraud and manipulate people.
    regardless that you divorced him, you must see how contaminating it is to be exposed to this much corruption... but again I applaud your candidness. As some might think I am 'exaggerating' or being overly 'cynical' when I say the government, military, courts and the police are a form or crime syndicate, that they are in fact the source and instigators of most the crime in the world to begin with, really just the one side of a coin with the street crime syndicates they interact with and control on the other side... so I thank you for that... as it may be more believable for others to hear it from you than me…

    Quote To think that war is “outdated”, as you have said, is wishful thinking at best.
    I didn't say war is outdated, but that their strategy is... I mean come on they have been pulling this sh** for centuries going back to 'freeing the slaves' the world isn't eating this stuff up like they used to, no one is 'licking' the bowl any more... Their strategy of maintaining technological superiority is hitting an economic 'diminishing returns' Other countries are building defensive measures, and developing their own intel, and are now understanding the level of criminality and depravity that you are so 'at home' with... the 'con' doesn't work the same when everyone is on to you...

    Quote One of the problems alternative peace/love type people often seem to have (and I don’t know if you are that type...
    Obviously you don't, and I am even hurt given my 'words' you would even think that! and I can't help but wonder at your use of the phrase "peace/love type people" lol... you make them sound so... 'detached' from reality... so 'peacy/lovey' (sorry, couldn't help myself)

    Quote Greedy humans who like control games are found in abundance in governments and they seem to have no problem with wars.
    again I am surprised that you would admit to this... but what does that make you and yours? dare I call it? part of the problem? hypocrites? sell outs? Judas'? hey, if that's the deal here's $50 bucks I want you to steal that old ladies purse and shake down that store owner (hey somebodies gotta do it, why not us eh) stick around chump... Look all this is rather circular logic, self supporting rationalizations, and operate on the assumption people will always be ignorant and thus vulnerable to these attacks… what you’re not getting is we have technology today that has probably never existed before in history, like the internet, that’s a big game changer, you know it, I know it, US psyops propaganda is having a greater and greater difficulty maintaining all their mind control propaganda, each false flag unravels faster then the last… the pattern is clear… people are clearly becoming more aware of what is going on and the PTB/US/Anglo/NWO, blah blah are losing face and influence every day… and it will continue…

    Quote Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas, terrorist groups
    Is that what military 'types' (ie. non peace/love types...) call them? The French underground during the German occupation would have been called the same thing 'terrorists',,, the trick to this word game is from whose point of view are you speaking, in order to project the necessary context... yawn...

    Quote Iraq is a valuable prize...
    No, no, no, no!!! that is those nasty SOB's (and jew banker buddy) talking their trash again, and I don't doubt their handlers speak the same slant... Iraq IS NOT ANYONE's prize, they are a group of men, women, children, husbands, wives, grandfathers, and grandmothers, brothers and sisters... and they have every right to live in peace and security and to develop their own resources like you and I... That is what I mean by mind control, do you see how it desensitizes you to the suffering of other human beings? and builds that callous scab over your heart? There are people living in pain and anguish over there, just so Bush and his buddies can make some coin to buy their Parquay property in South America and pull the same sh** all over again...

    Quote And before you say that the US has invented the terrorist scenario in order to control people, that’s not actually true.
    That would be giving them too much credit, they didn't invent it any more then they invented money backed by nothing... but I will take Nick Rothschild word for it, if he says they are going to create an endless war on terror, why question it? That a simple one follow the money...

    Quote They have exaggerated it and used it to their advantage, but there have always been those who use terror tactics to intimidate and kill. It could be said that the US is using terror tactics in many areas of government and in its relations with other nations. The chem trail program, the DEA and the “war” on drugs, pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, TSA, CIA, NSI, FBI, IRS, SEALS, Special Forces, etc etc. all use terrorism as a tactic upon occasion.
    Again you called it, not me, and I thank you for that, because this is a benefit for all those sad souls that think the government is looking after their interests (they are looking after their interests) that courts are 'just' (they are stealing our credit in a trust manipulation bond scam) that the police serve and protect (their crime syndicate operations) etc, etc... so I couldn't have said it better, bless you...

    Quote Iran also uses terror tactics on it’s own population. So do China, Russia and many other countries with maybe a very few exceptions and to different degrees.
    I would say your missing the point, this is why the US makes me want to puke with their self serving righteousness, it's the same arrogance that brought down the Roman empire (well at least the overtly projected military culture, since they decided to become 'Holy') This is paramount to saying that the US doesn't have the right to be going into anybody’s backyards as they are not only not morally superior, but they are down right despicable hypocrites in this department whiffing in the fumes of their own BS, not realizing that everyone is on to them. The jig is up, the con is exposed. You’re again corroborating everything I am saying!

    Quote The US IS on a course of attempting to control the world’s resources and economies, or it LOOKS like it is. It depends on who you think the REAL controllers are. The President and congress and even the military may just be low level puppets
    No question, they are puppets, how many times do we hear whistleblowers with more clearance then the president, it's embarrassing, Area 51 janitors probably have higher clearance then the president, they made a wise decision allowing entertainers and actors into politics, where else could they find such qualified employees... You know the deal. You got the Vatican (mind control through religion), the inner city of London, (Freemason HQ of the planet) and the BAR that all lawyers have been ‘admitted’ to, which controls the money and banks where they manipulate the LIBOR rates that screws over every single person on the planet.... and the Washington DC... all three are separate legal entities that operate as independent sovereign states outside of the physical geography of the countries they are physically located on... they don't pay taxes they vacuum siphon in the taxes from other countries around the world... It's the number one Satanic global crime syndicate on the planet...

    Quote I have no need or desire to defend the US as I only like to look at what’s happening and don’t really care where it leads
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    Well that's exactly how one let's themselves be controlled by another, if you aren't guiding the wind in your sails in the sea of commerce, rest assured someone has already commandeered your ship...


    Quote Any nationalistic pride I might once have had is long gone, but I do see a lot of hypocrisy in those who criticize one or two countries and ignore others who are equally as repulsive or will be equally brutal when they have the opportunity
    OK, now you are warming up... yes, now that is speaking my language... nationalism itself is the con... it's like cheering for different basketball uniforms (Seinfeld had it right) but we can still make relative and comparative statements... so the US is still in the doghouse

    Quote I only know what others have said and what various news sources report. That is called hearsay. So do I THINK the US is involved in nasty world manipulation, killing lots of people and engaging in power mongering games? YES. Do I know exactly what the details are or who is ultimately pulling the strings? NO. If you think you KNOW all the hidden things that are going on, that’s wonderful. I don’t know. I only have theories and opinions. Even my husbands stories of his involvement in political assassinations, conflict with ET’s at area 51, training groups of insurgents, like the Taliban, who later turn out to be tyrants of the worst kind, and other exploits throughout the 70’s and 80’s…are only his stories. I cannot KNOW if they are true. I like to believe him because the way he told me and how long it took for him to tell me these stories lead me to think he’s recalling powerful memories. Plus he does have a LOT of injuries and scars since he’s been shot, stabbed and injured so many times. He even has whip marks on his back and scars on his feet from being tortured when he was a POW for a couple of weeks in Vietnam. He escaped.
    Well I hope you would be able to know if your own nasty SOB of a husband was telling you the truth or not, now this is the meat and potatoes, you could have cut to the chase and got to the good stuff a long time ago... I hate to say it but I am now starting to empathize with you... of course no one knows everything, but I do use common sense, logic, deduction, reason, consensus, I try to collect as much data, (7000 video files alone ) heck even this wonderful little diddy with you has given me some nice confirmations and insights... ok, I take it back you are not a troll... ok there, I said it...

    Quote I suppose some would think it’s ignorant to not believe what they believe are established "facts", but I think it is ignorant to think you know the facts because someone has told you something. In fact, ALL of the facts in any given scenario are usually unknowable and there are different lies at every level. Most humans lie…that’s a fact.
    Awww, do I detect a shred of humanity under all that hubris? I'll bet we could have alot of fun at a party, mind you I'd be keeping a close eye on my drink... hehe, ok so now we know where each stands, I don't believe in anything the government or their lackies do today, nor do I believe in the legal system, hell I don't even believe much of the biblical code any more... but I do believe in the fundamental principle of truth as a means of reference, and learning and for developing oneself. But that is another topic. So in fact you know your right, I like what Socrates said "I know nothing" something worth pondering...

    So what I want to know is .... why can't we all just love each other and be friendzzzzz!!!?? waaaaahhhhhh LOL thanks Nance that was sorta fun... (scratching my head and pouring another drink
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    am wondering if Keshe is speaking on behalf of Iran or the Foundation... might think thats pointless distinction, but surely any official statement from country itself would come from the gov / military?

    ps. also.. OT but isn't Hamas is now a legal 'government' not a 'terrorist group', so isn't anything they do is legit, just like any other country's warmongering gov?
    I think I am really enjoying this thread! your hitting on some good points blackcat, it is kinda pointless, bottom line is he is of Iranian descent, so I don't think he is against his own people but he is clearly no stranger to western influence, (a rather ideal candidate for a diplomat I might add...) remember that the US and Iran have that special relationship... ie. they 'HATE' each other... and closed their diplomatic ties... that always makes communication 'interesting'

    and your ps even hits on something better... what is legal?... if you check out the definition in a 'legal' dictionary I'd bet you'd be surprised, that is why as agnostic as I am I don't knock the bible, because it plays a part, not what people think it is, but it is a reference of law, morality, history, literature, and according to Winston Shrout (the guy who consulted with Keaton on the liens being placed against the UN and other countries as per David Wilcock's incredible expose based on his communications and research of Benjamin Fulford's intel... it is also a system that explains how we can interact in commerce! and the whole book itself is a form of a trust.

    I think between the 'Christians' they were 'taking over' and their own pagan religion, they kinda put the 'Christians' in a legal 'box' but had to leave a key (as trustee requirement for administrating their Christian 'constitution') so that if they could figure it out they could escape from the 'box' and be free (ie. being 'Christian meant being beholden only to God - free from any human master, from the 'common law' all men are equal BEFORE the law) otherwise they were 'presumed' to be just another Roman 'citizen' (form of slave, employee, officer, etc)... The Roman system is the matrix, and Jim Morrison may have hit on it when he said "no one gets out of here alive... "

    (it's quite a little gem, isn't it... those Romans... and their Roman jurisdiction, what the hell were they really up to?) This btw is related to the ritual that goes on in courts, when they fight over the only thing that Bill Cooper ever said was the real stake which is 'jurisdiction' Roman, commercial, admiralty courts don't have jurisdiction over men/women who stand in the kingdom of God (another jurisdiction) mind you, unfortunately easier said then done...

    But yeah, legal is not the same as moral... it starts there then gets twisted to whatever it's corporate masters want it to be... Legal, moral... legal is more like rules, and regulations, (also known as statutes, which people mistake for 'real' laws and they are NOT, statutes are 'corporate policies' of a corporatized government and moral is more like fundamental universal right and wrong, it's based in principles... and is closer to the true definition of what used to be called common law... does that make sense? (sorry I just came off a long 'response' to Nancy, and I'm on 'auto type' ....)
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    im enjoying this thread too, as always thx for all the sharing of info & experience...

    i only mentioned before because what gives Keshe the right to speak about defending Iran? am sure he wouldn't be against his own people, but is his an 'official' statement on behalf of the country i wonder... it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?

    yep, i'm aware of legalese and strawman / incorporated countries thingy, been looking into that recently... there is a huge difference between moral and legal of course, and whilst i would say i'm agnostic too we are supposedly all equal under God's (or common) law..



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    Awesome pic danceblackcatdance!

    Quote it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?
    More like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend/attack another country on behalf of Germany while living in the USA.

    Seems like Keshe is falling down the rabbit hole of politics and becoming unhinged in the process. If his invention really does work and really does provide free energy (I have calculated that if I switched to his energy the cost to me would be more than ten-fold what I am paying now) then why does he not go to a poor country and convert that country to using his energy inventions and thus quietly and practically proving that it works?
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    Awesome pic danceblackcatdance!

    Quote it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?
    More like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend/attack another country on behalf of Germany while living in the USA.
    yes, i stand corrected

    Quote Seems like Keshe is falling down the rabbit hole of politics and becoming unhinged in the process. If his invention really does work and really does provide free energy (I have calculated that if I switched to his energy the cost to me would be more than ten-fold what I am paying now) then why does he not go to a poor country and convert that country to using his energy inventions and thus quietly and practically proving that it works?
    its more than just free energy... seems he's proposing 'star trek' with a global energy / transportation / pollution revolution alongside a medical / pharmaceutical one too (claiming to be able to reset the body's energy fields against disease) and not to mention he can create foodstuff material from 'out of the cosmos' (as i understand) and well as water... he's got a torch that runs on 'thin air' for the last 2 years without turning off.... unless he's lying of course..

    maybe i've been watched too many movies and my imagination / mind has been duped, my brother was vehement that this is all 'crackpot nonsense'...

    anyway, we don't really know whats going on here... all i can see is that the Belgian authorities are blocking his work as are the Americans, so somebody is sh*t scared of what will change if this stuff is released... no smoke w/out fire as they say

    maybe Jean-Luc can shed some more light as he has met the man....
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    Here is what Merhan's Keshe has to say on religions, nationalism, sport, war and mankind.

    He is answering a forum's question he was asked: "Do you trust the ayatollahs, mullahs, and Ahmadijenad in Iran?"

    Quote We have trusted pops, rabbis and imams for centuries and men and women have laid their lives in the path of belief in one god but in different names.

    May be the time has arrived for the human race to trust in his own belief of unity of the mankind and bring through by individual actions the unity of the name of the god too.

    At this moment of time the imams name and the name of Mohamed (god’s peace on his soul) is used to create war as to suit the war making apparatuses of the different nations.

    May be we have to ask why Italy had to sell so much mines to another country at discounted rate and who has paid the balance and what was the ultimate goal behind this ungodly action.

    Is the blood of the pope, chief rabbi, Indian high priests and the holy Islamic religious leaders of any sect, redder than the rest of human race!

    Surely the answer is NO.

    That one day soon, these leaders of the beliefs in god can all unite under one roof of the earth to thank the creator for their position and they become servants to the human race and not to be served by the rest of the human race.

    The true men of god deep inside all know that there is only one god on earth but with different bank accounts for each one name and the path of worshiping of god has become the dance party of the rich to see who has the better clothes and more money in the bank.

    Does belief in god and serving mankind become the beauty contest of religions; I have asked myself so many times.

    So mankind is in truth the one and the same, does not matter where he or she was given the physicality of his appearance.

    So that the location and the method of worshiping the creator should become the essence of unity and not the source of division for harm, as has become fashionable in the past centuries in man’s life on this planet.

    So let us through this new technology not only bring unity in science, but unity in belief and religions, that we leave and give no excuses for no nation or house of worship to use the difference to start another atrocity on this planet.

    Let the new tool of science become the new true tool of peace, even though some might not like it to start with but soon they will see the advantages of the unity of the man, as now that we have opened space to man, that men of religion and the leaders of these small pieces of the lands of so called nations on earth will see solidarity in unity of mankind will be to his benefit, than the division and demise of man on earth and in space and in the universal community from now on.

    What has been interesting to me in the past week as has been pointed out to me, is that how feeble man is, as we do not appraise the sports’ man talent, but we glorify the place of the birth or the flag of the area of the birth of the man in the Olympics’ of today.

    I wonder with and how the Olympians will show their talents in the near future as the body of man has reached the position of using and retaining superiority through the new understanding of universal operation of fields.

    It is interesting to see and ask why the cloths of the armed uniformed men is needed to raise the flag of the nation of the better performance and not the music of the choice of the winner without the flag that need the uniform of the armed men to be shown in arena of the sport.

    Unless war has been behind the back of the mind of the organizers of the event, to show even sport is controlled through arms too.

    In fact it is shameful on the organizers of sports event to bring cloths of war in the arena of sport unless there is an agenda for mixing sport and arm.

    Maybe man is not mature enough to see the unity of his race as his strength and as the ultimate tool of the peace in his homeland of the earth as of yet.

    Division to rule is the work of the incompetent and feeble men and with this technology we have given the strength of the unity of the mankind to all its citizen’s, and not in the hand of a few as before, even though some like a child will jump up and down for a while to get their cookies back which they have stolen from others.

    Thus the question is that would the situation and the change in the names of religion, religious leaders and national leaders would have made any difference in the real intension of the triad of the axis of evils works, or all this is a cover for any different order of collection of alphabets of names and religion for the same evil intentions?

    O son man; Be wise in unity of the mankind as men of god have to serve in truth for the man to reach to the ultimate goal of peace and unity.

    It is not for religious and national leaders to use their temporary positions for the division of the mankind, unless their position and titles is bigger than and is for the servitude of the human race.

    By the real work of real men of god the mankind will see the race of the man to achieve the ultimate goal of unity and peace on earth and with all religions on this planet and beyond as one
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    Quote Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
    Here is what Merhan's Keshe has to say on religions, nationalism, sport, war and mankind.

    He is answering a forum's question he was asked: "Do you trust the ayatollahs, mullahs, and Ahmadijenad in Iran?"

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    May be the time has arrived for the human race to trust in his own belief of unity of the mankind and bring through by individual actions the unity of the name of the god too.

    By the real work of real men of god the mankind will see the race of the man to achieve the ultimate goal of unity and peace on earth and with all religions on this planet and beyond as one
    http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb...952ec&start=10
    THIS is what I had expected to see from him from the start... a man much like Tesla, who Knew 'what he hath wrought'

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    I didn't know he was being blocked in Belgium, so that could have all been a set up, or they got 'squeezed' or 'bribed'... interesting... I felt that it was too good to be true... (ie. not his invention, but his ability to start releasing it for public use...) Some country has got to step forward and accept him and his technology and if it is as good as he says, maybe they could use it to build something to defend themselves...

    What citizens of any country wouldn't want to free themselves from having to dig up carbon based fuels or import it from another country at the cost of billions of dollars and move to a new higher standard of living? We are being dragged into an economic depression as a tactical maneuver by the PTB so that they can continue to maintain their parasitic control over our labor and production. This is the real war. And as usual everyone is just running faster and faster on their treadmills.
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    Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology? Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology? Or is it this Foundation wants to wave the red flag at the tormented psychotic bull called the Western Powers of dominance.

    What is more to the point, it is well known by now, the world is engaged in an Alien Intervention which will have catastrophic repercussions for Humanity if they pull it off. The Keshe Foundation in all reality seems to be speaking more for causing war and bloodshed than stopping it. Also if Iran has all this

    well advanced technology, why are they so busy with Nuclear Power!! Something does not add up, I thought the people on this Forum were sound thinkers and could grasp the reality of situations, I feel there needs a lot more thought put into this than has previously been put to it.


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