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    THE LATE Lord Rothschild, scientist, think-tank head, first- class cricketer, bomb-disposal expert and MI5 agent, was a super-spy for the Russians, according to a forthcoming book.

    The Fifth Man, by the Australian author Roland Perry, claims to prove that Victor Rothschild stole 'all major UK/US weapons developments in the Second World War', including biological warfare, the atomic bomb and radar.

    Specifically, he alleges that Rothschild, not Klaus Fuchs, or, as is generally believed, the civil servant John Cairncross, first alerted Stalin to Allied plans to build an atom bomb using plutonium 235.

    Perry also claims that Rothschild, who died in 1990, was involved 'in so many aspects of spying that he seemed like a super-agent, sabotaging every Western intelligence initiative for 20 years after the war'.

    The evidence offered is largely derived from three days of interviews in Moscow with seven retired KGB officers, some identified only by initials.

    The most important was Yuri Ivanovitch Modin, controller of the Cambridge spies, and orchestrator of the Burgess/Maclean defection.

    But speaking from Moscow late last week, an 'astonished' Modin denied Perry's version comprehensively. Yes, there had been interviews supposedly as the basis of a documentary film about former KGB officers. But no, he had never hinted, nor did he believe, that Rothschild was the fifth man, or any kind of Soviet agent.

    'We knew Rothschild was close to (Guy) Burgess and (Anthony) Blunt (later unveiled as the 'fourth man' in the Burgess and Donald Maclean affair).

    Because he was in MI5 they learned things from him. This doesn't make him the fifth man, and he wasn't,' he said.

    One explanation may be confusion. Perry attributes to the brilliant Rothschild a number of espionage coups which Modin knows from archives and personal contact were the work of the unassuming Cairncross. Modin provides corroborating detail in his own book, My Five Cambridge Friends, to be published by Hodder/Headline on 27 October.

    So grateful were the KGB for Cairncross's early atom secrets, gleaned while secretary to the wartime scientific chief, Lord Hankey, that the Soviet ambassador presented him with the Order of the Red Banner at a secret ceremony in London in 1944. The insignia, in a velvet- lined case, were then taken back to the embassy.

    Even Perry does not suggest that 'Victor', as everyone called him, was offered any such dubious honour to add to the British mention in dispatches and US awards he received for dangerous war work. A man who had proved his courage racing cars and batting against the fast bowler Harold Larwood, he became the top expert on bomb disposal. He was also responsible for the personal security of his friend Winston Churchill, testing, and sometimes tasting, the Prime Minister's gifts of exotic food and drink.

    Rothschild survived the war and the Burgess/Maclean defection to become the acknowledged 'grand old man of espionage' consulted by successive governments. However, rumours based on his close association with Burgess, Maclean and Kim Philby, all of whom were habitues of his wartime house, surfaced again in the 1980s when he became embroiled in the Peter Wright Spycatcher affair.

    In 1986 Rothschild wrote a public letter avowing his innocence, and soon after Mrs Thatcher issued a famously terse comment that 'we have no evidence he was ever a Soviet agent'.

    As a clearance it was less than fulsome, but when he died in 1990 the Prime Minister attended his memorial.

    A clue to her coolness emerged from the interviews of Kim Philby by the writer Phillip Knightley in Moscow. Philby believed that leaving MI5 in 1947, Rothschild had seized or copied all the six-by-four file- cards listing Soviet agents in Europe and elsewhere. These, Philby believed, were used by Mossad, the security service of the fledgling state of Israel, whose cause Rothschild's family had championed from the 19th century.

    Mrs Thatcher may have taken the view that his conflict of loyalties was not between Whitehall and the Lubyanka, but his country of birth and his family's Zionist dreams. In his lifetime inquiries, let alone speculation about his exotic career as scientist and spymaster, were inhibited by his lawyer, the redoubtable Lord Goodman. But as William Armstrong of Sidgwick & Jackson, the book's publisher, said, 'dead men can't sue for libel'.

    Rothschild's ghost and his surviving family may well wish that death did not inhibit libel actions, all the more so as 'Rothschild family members' are cited in the book describing his low spirits in the years before his death.

    But their lawyers, Freshfields, said that in the circumstances their reaction would be 'a dignified silence'.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1444440.html

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...the-fifth-man-
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    Default Re: Rothschild 'spied as the Fifth Man'

    This is an interresting article from 2002 commenting on Ariel Sharons comments
    on an Israeli radio show a month before 9/11...



    Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . .
    I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on
    Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
    - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001


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    PART THREE - WHO RUNS AMERICA AND THE WORLD?

    "We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."-- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

    When Clinton was about to step down, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak asked President Clinton to grant a pardon to Marc Rich. Clinton granted the pardon. Marc Rich had been indicted in a US federal court of evading more than $48 million in taxes. He was also charged with 51 counts of tax fraud and with running illegal oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis. He had also traded with Libya, South Africa and the USSR when there were embargos, with Iraq when there was conflict....

    Is Israel in charge? No. But it could be the people who trade in oil, in guns, in drugs....

    In 1991, Paul Henderson, managing director of machine tools company Matrix Churchill, was in court facing a seven year jail sentence for selling to Iraq materials that could be used for military purposes. Government ministers tried to prevent the court from discovering the truth - that Paul Henderson had been working for the British government as a secret agent for 17 years. Eventually the truth about Henderson came out. But why had we been helping Iraq?

    The July 29, 1991 issue of TIME MAGAZINE stated :"B.C.C.I. is the largest corporate criminal enterprise ever... the most pervasive money-laundering operation ...ever created for the likes of Manuel Noriega, Ferdinand Marcos, Saddam Hussein and the Columbian drugs lords."

    B.C.C.I. Got into the U.S. banking industry by secretly buying the shares of First American Bank, whose chairman is Clark Clifford- a founder of the CIA

    Accordi
    ng to sources, "B.C.C.I. was engaged in international bribery, blackmail, and assassination of government officials at the highest levels. The CIA used B.C.C.I. to facilitate funding of the Contras, illegal arms sales to Iran and Iraq as well as the arms supply to the Afghan resistance. The Justice Department began by obstructing the investigation.

    "B.C.C.I. maintained accounts for Contra leader Adolfo Calero and Sandanista leader, Daniel Ortega, as well as such disparate figures as Noriega, Saddam, Marcos, Adnan Khashoggi, the PLO, the Mossad and the governments of China, Argentina, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Peru."

    The bank was seemingly financing both sides in a number of conflicts. Who gained? The arms and drugs industries.

    According to Sherman Skolnick, two Federal judges in Chicago are blocking the release of documents from the B.C.C.I. branch there which implicate George Bush in enormous secret business deals with five world dictators including Saddam and Noriega.

    Cynics might say that wars help the ruling elites to stay in power.

    And here are some strange 'facts' picked up from various sources:

    The U.S. sold $50 billion dollars worth of weapons to Iraq before the gulf war.

    Libya was supplied with hundreds of Green Beret trainers and 42,000 lbs of C-4 plastic explosives prior to U.S. attacks on Libya.

    The U.S financed the Kama River truck plant which produced the trucks for Russia's Afghanistan invasion and built the highways used by the Russian tanks.

    The day General McArthur signed the peace treaty with Japan half the weapons stored on Okinawa were shipped to Ho Chi Minh and General Giap who met these shipments at the docks of Hai Phong harbor with Lucien Conein, the CIA case officer for Diem.

    Jonathan Kwitny's book, The Crimes of Patriots, a True Tale of Dope, Dirty Money and the CIA, (Simon & Shuster 1987) is an expose of th
    e alleged role of the CIA in the drugs business. Kwitny refers to the Nugan-Hand Bank- an Australian money laundering operation set up to facilitate Golden Triangle heroin trafficking. Major officers of the bank "included Admiral Buddy Yates (President), General Erle Cocke, General Edwin Black, General LeRoy Manor, and ex-CIA Director, William Colby with other CIA affiliated persons too numerous to mention."
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    MI5 has been infiltrated. Has this been a conspiracy only by the Russians? Or have others been involved? Who now controls Britain? Or America? Or the world?

    PART ONE - INFILTRATION BY RUSSIANS ONLY?

    The rest is on link below...

    PART TWO WHO CONTROLS BRITAIN?

    In the 1960's, leading CIA agent James Angleton was worried about Harold Wilson and his links to Eastern European businessmen who might have had links to Russia and Israel. An Israeli spy had suggested that Labour leader Gaitskell had been murdered by the KGB so that Wilson could become PM.
    In 1965 Angleton, and President Johnson, decided to commission a report on Britain's secret services.

    This report recommended sending more spies to Britain It seemed that the CIA was going to treat Britain like Indonesia o
    r Pakistan. In order to ensure that there was an elite which would support US interests, the CIA would try to gain control of MI5 and MI6, use dirty tricks to get rid of anti-American politicians, and place pro-American puppets into positions of power.

    The rest is on link below ....

    http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/discussion/c...eories/375052/

    I don't know how accurate this infomation is , some i have heard about and
    some made headlines its seems a genuine source....Steve...
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    Default Re: Rothschild 'spied as the Fifth Man'

    Interesting post/thread Cider.

    Have you read 'Climate of Treason', by Andew Boyle? (Booker prize 1980)

    He was summoned by Maggie Thatcher-on eve of publication and TOLD to remove ALL ref to Blunt from his manuscript.

    Boyle was scribing a sequal, about to expose another 12 spies, when he was struck down with a massive stroke.

    He always thought he was 'unbrellered' on the tubes in London.

    He never recovered fully enough to complete his sequal.

    Boyle attended Cambridge at same time as Philby, Blunt, Burgess, McClain.
    He was also trained in Army Intelligence during WW2, and was a co-founder of 'Today/ BBC' programme.

    So he was in a good position to know and learn facts.
    'F.E.A.R.' - is an acronym = 'False Expectations Appearing Real'

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    I have not read the book but have seen documentries and news items about the subject and
    Anthony Blunt was in the news a lot in the 70's/early 8o's ......

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    Cambridge University Spy Ring

    █ ADRIENNE WILMOTH LERNER

    The Cambridge spy ring was a group of British young men recruited as Soviet spies in the 1930s.
    The group was known in Britain as the Cambridge spy ring, after the University where the men
    attended classes and were recruited for espionage. In the Soviet Union, the group was known
    as the "magnificent five." The Cambridge spy ring infiltrated the highest level of the British
    government, including MI-5, MI-6, the Foreign Office, and the War Ministry. During their
    career, the group betrayed some of Britain's most guarded secrets to the Soviet Union.
    The group was led by master-spy, Harold "Kim" Philby.

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3403300117.html

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    The Cambridge Five were a ring of spies, recruited in part by Russian talent spotter
    Arnold Deutsch in the United Kingdom who passed information to the Soviet Union
    during World War II and at least into the early 1950s. Four members of the ring
    have been identified: Kim Philby (cryptonym: Stanley), Donald Duart Maclean
    (cryptonym: Homer), Guy Burgess (cryptonym: Hicks) and Anthony Blunt (
    cryptonym: Johnson); jointly they are known as the Cambridge Four.
    Several people have been suspected of being the "fifth man" of the group;
    John Cairncross (cryptonym: Liszt) was identified as such by Oleg Gordievsky,
    though many others have also been accused of membership in the Cambridge ring.

    The term Cambridge Five refers to the conversion of Philby, Burgess, Blunt, and
    Maclean to communism during their education at Cambridge University in the 1930s.
    Debate surrounds the exact timing of their recruitment by Soviet intelligence;
    Anthony Blunt claimed that they were not recruited as agents until they had
    graduated. Blunt, a Fellow of Trinity College, was several years older than
    Burgess, Maclean, and Philby; he acted as a talent-spotter and recruiter.

    Both Blunt and Burgess were members of the Apostles, an exclusive and
    prestigious society based at Trinity and King's Colleges. John Cairncross,
    long suspected of having been the 'Fifth Man', and formally identified as
    a Soviet agent in 1990, was also an Apostle.

    Other Apostles accused of having spied for the Soviets include Michael Whitney
    Straight, Victor Rothschild, research fellow Lewis Daly and Guy Liddell.

    Kim Philby 1955



    These spygame have always gone on and are alive and well , now we are in
    the digital age it is far more sophisticated....The parrallels of the 20's & 30's
    are simlilar to today imo with the finanacial and social upheavals and the elites
    still playing their power games......



    More scare tactics so the elites can sqeeze more money from the taxpayers...

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    Does cyber security really cost $1 trn?



    More ways to fleece the tax payers !!!
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