Why am I not enlightened?

[Karunai]

Why am I not enlightened?

"Who" is the "one" asking this question. : )

Some of us are fed up with having to be this or that, and it is a relief just to be...boring!

lol that reminded me of something I've written long ago... out of boredom. I thought I had deleted it -out of boredom-, but it was still 'alive' somewhere. Sorry if it makes no sense... it was a ramble after all.

"On my 'Guru' Boredom

Boredom helps me to not get stuck.
To not become a fanatic. And therefore to not construct any prejudices.
To explore everything without attachment.
To travel without moving.
To laugh and joke about my-self, especially when I "think" I'm serious.
To remember this is only a moment.
It helps me to listen.
To go beyond the apparent boundaries of my own physicality.
It nurtures my freedom.
I'm not here.
I'm here.
Everywhere."

This comes with it's own special problems! These interesting qualities and experiences have to be dropped like a hot brick as soon as their use has passed: any claiming of these will create obstacles. And unless they are dropped, continuous inspiration cannot arise...that's inspiration for you!

Yes, clinging is the greatest obstacle... more than the "things/experiences" themselves, at least when there's no more learning from it; BUT to cling is an experience by itself worthy to experience at some point -good that all is impermanent by essence! lol-. For me, my own boredom was a good sign -I've learned that over the time-, even though sometimes it's labelled as "wrong", what would it be "wrong" if I felt great lol and this is hard to explain... but only shrugged at when questioned about it, lately. It means that some experiences won't be re-created again, and new experiences are impossible to become an obsession... 'cause I easily lose interest on things. I used to called it 'laziness' too. Perhaps it is a bit of both, boredom and laziness to 'engage' in most illusions.

Thanks for the post.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)


when you have a 10,000 watt bulb in the room and light a candle, does it make a difference?

Yes it now becomes (10,000watts+1 candle power) ...

surround it with endarkment and the candle seems bright...

[realitycorrodes]

Because you have not succumb to living in denial yet!

Being truthful is way better than being enlightened. IMHO

[conec]

I'm being truthful right now by saying I dont feel enlightened at all.
I often think about it. Its pointless really but there it is. I'm not looking for advice.
I'm just glad it is out in the open because it is a subject that seems important on this forum.

[bogeyman]

Depends what your looking for when it concerns enlightenment. What do people really need in life?

[conec]

Very very true. Well enlightenement to me is: meditation, calm, cool and collected, growing your own food, not using any products that harm the environment, having a life that you are content with through doing what you love.
I have spent so much of my life working through issues connected with my childhood I still dont feel like a real grown up yet. Hopefully someday I'll get there, or maybe I am there already is this what you mean Pie'neal?
One good thing I have going for me is that I'm often told that I have quite a grounding and calming infleunce on people. This is quite important to me and I have made this effort consciously.

[tim]

In order for the illusion of maya or duality to appear an apparent separate subject is created by the mind and this “I” pretends to be that which it usurps - awareness.

It asserts it’s own existence and creates a matrix of identity incorporating form (body) and beliefs (mind).

It is in actuality not a subject, but a phenomenal object.

It is a dependent phenomena, and like all dependent phenomena, it is transient, temporal and impermanent.

That which it depends upon for it’s appearance, is the substrate reality, the totality, or absolute undifferentiated awareness.

In relative terms this “I” cannot become enlightened. Nor can it, or any other apparent phenomena, effect or influence what is real, the substrate reality.

Upon rendering the creator of this phenomenal “I”, the mind, quiescent, duality (which is an illusion requiring subject and object) “clears” like a mirage dissolving. As such enlightenment is not an attainment, but rather an apocalypse, a revealing of what was eternally present.

The paradox is that, upon realising the substrate awareness as one’s true identity, one can only relate to apparent others, whom are still identified with the apparent limited “I”, (which is the root of apparent suffering), using the language of the mind. As undifferentiated awareness supercedes and is beyond thinking (ie metanoia) parables, metaphors and poetry are often used to hint towards the non-dual real state. As these can be widely interpreted misunderstandings and confusion often arise, especially in labelling or naming the real state ie Heaven, Nirvana, Self, etc.

An intellectual understanding is only helpful to the point that it inspires one to practise a technique which leads to the direct realisation of this state.

There are many techniques to render the mind quiescent according to ones conditioning, programming, development and temperament. Due to the phenomena which may accompany awakening, a solid foundation of ethical behaviour is advised prior to engaging these techniques in earnest.

Why would an “enlightened” person assist unreal others? It is like this. Say you, in your waking state, walked past a loved child who was having a nightmare. You know the suffering they experience is just a dream, yet you gently awaken them to put an end to their apparent suffering.

Any assertion that you are not enlightened is by the relative phenomenal “I”. Any claim of enlightenment by a phenomenal “I” may be discriminated by close observation. A genuine Buddha/Christ/Jnani/Guru is free from fear, desire, hate and attachment and do not charge for their services. They promote non violence, compassion, patience, tolerance and kindness to all, for they have realised they are the all.

You are in truth the Supreme Being, this is the absolute truth, absolute freedom, and it’s absolutely free, you need not pay a single cent to others to realise this.

namaste/with love
tim

[Healthy Skeptic]

Posted by Anchor (here)
Oh bugger it, you know what this means don't you.... I am not enlightened

Yes, but by being a participant on this, or other Forums, we are slowly becoming more Aware.

[pie'n'eal]

I know I am not enlightened, but I know I'm facing the right direction, and that makes me happy...and so are you, and that makes me happy!

It good to muddle along together,
Tony

[S-L]

Hey Tony,

I've heard it said that to experience an enlightened state is to have your spirit directly express itself through you as a vessel, such that you bring a little piece of heaven here on earth. This would account for the tremendous "buddhafield" that is experienced by those near a master or mystic. The ego ceases to exist and the spirit takes over...

Do you agree with this definition? What do you think?

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by S-L (here)
Hey Tony,

I've heard it said that to experience an enlightened state is to have your spirit directly express itself through you as a vessel, such that you bring a little piece of heaven here on earth. This would account for the tremendous "buddhafield" that is experienced by those near a master or mystic. The ego ceases to exist and the spirit takes over...

Do you agree with this definition? What do you think?

Good afternoon S-L,
I would agree with you.
People and places can give off a good vibration ......! .....as well as a not so good vibration?
Just to see a name can lift the spirit!

There seems to be a certain degree of purity present.
I know a taxi driver, to be with him is such a joy.....he is a very simple person...there is something about him...and he does not know it!

I once stayed at a Nunnery near Kathmandu called Nagi Gompa, their purity over whelmed me, in fact it made me feel a little uncomfortable.
It sort of reminded one of where we should be,not so uptight and giggling at everything! When they chanted, it was not at all 'polished' but so pure!

For this same inspirational purity, all we have to do is look within .....and there you are!

Lots of giggling love,
Tony

[pie'n'eal]

I wanted to say, that the nun's purity made me feel sick, but I didn't want that to be misunderstood.

Their simple chanting and dance, made me feel that I could never be like that. ….and more to the point, I wasn't going to put in the bloody effort!

The effort I saw, was living this way all the time, which didn't in fact take any effort.
It was ego that was feeling sick...and in terror!

Luckily I found out that we do not have to be monks and nuns, we are 'householders'. We can work in the world with all the richness of the emotions, people getting in our way, and have the ability to cut through the cr*p! This brings it's own purity when we no longer fear our reactions. They are still there, but now they are a rich manure of pungent light, which we neither accept or reject.

They just brighten up space!


Tony

[Pete]

Yep I know just what you mean, I too have experienced that feeling of awe of others purity of being and then felt "but I don't want to attain it this way"!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Anchor (here)
Oh bugger it, you know what this means don't you.... I am not enlightened

Imo, I think you are nearly there, mocking oneself and humility and taking life the light way are signs of a great personality on the right track, just my pov.

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by Pete (here)
Yep I know just what you mean, I too have experienced that feeling of awe of others purity of being and then felt "but I don't want to attain it this way"!

Over the years I have learnt that purity is just clarity. What I saw ten years ago, that shook me was the expression of that clarity. This clarity was an unfabricated mind! It had no opinions, no smart answers, just clear being.

Different people can view the same situation, and perceive it differently. What shakes us is our inner teacher, intuition, conscience. I've told this story before:

At a fencing match, watching a follow fencer the thought in my mind was, "I envy that fencer". A friend standing next to me said out loud, " I admire that fencer." .....same situation, different response!

As we evolve ( if we evolve) our perception refines. If we think we know it all, we are truly stuck, in concepts.

[wynderer]

you are not enlightened because anyone who is in a 3D Human body is living w/a brain & mind totally messed w/by your controllers, in a matrix in which both your 3D & your 4D bodies are restricted & controlled

then they like to make you feel like it's your fault that you are so disconnected from what is rightfully yours

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by wynderer (here)
you are not enlightened because anyone who is in a 3D Human body is living w/a brain & mind totally messed w/by your controllers, in a matrix in which both your 3D & your 4D bodies are restricted & controlled

then they like to make you feel like it's your fault that you are so disconnected from what is rightfully yours

It is only forums that promote this idea.
You are the master of all you survey, it is created by you and me- this ego that wants to blame others.
If there are controller ( corporations) they only utilise natural occurring events.....ego grasping!!!


The idea of 3D 5D 12D realities is a Tavistock New Age propaganda. The only reality is you true nature, which is pure, knowing and free already. WE just have to unfeeling the 'self' image WE have created. .....and stop grasping at ideas.

This take much practice, no one can do it for us. We just do not realise how heavy our ideas are, and how long we have held onto them. Forums are full of "let's wait around for an easy option!" It's not going to happen.

It is ignorance of our true nature that binds us here in a beautiful prison.

[Jules]

Interesting discussion. Thank you pie'n'eal and ED209. It is so refreshing that so many go on this huge journey to find enlightenment, like the journey for the bluebird of happiness to find that it was in your yard the whole time. It is also interesting to see many that don't want enlightenment for their reasons. When you look at the whole thing, it is beautiful, like finding artwork or music that one connects to.

[Rantaak]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Why am I not enlightened?

Probably because you are still alive! :-)

Keep going, brother!

[eileenrose]

Eckhart Tolle, author of 'The power of now', just posted a video where he finally describes his own awakening (process or event...)

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...gi?read=250074