DHS and US Military Make Final Preparations Before Announcing Martial Law

[bogeyman]

Psychological warfare is at play here. Making us malleable to excepting the concept of "martial law". But then are not our freedoms already restricted by the mind set of the masses? How much freedom do we all really have, if you do not have the resources, the knowledge or the power, you have less options open to you, thus restricting your abilities to make choices.

[Paul]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
With all that is happening... all may not be as it seems. There "may" be another purpose for the movements of assets.

When multiple reports are consolidated, as in the opening post of this thread, it becomes impractical to chase down each report to see "what really happened".

But in my experience, it is pretty much guaranteed that

1. the activities reported in the original post appeared quite different to those who experienced them first hand than they seem in this report,
2. the real purposes of these activities are different, at several levels, from the apparent purposes as reported above,
3. the real purposes of the above report (to alert us to the risk of impending martial law in the US, I guess) are not what they appear, and
4. what was unmentioned, not even hinted at or lied about, is more important than what is mentioned.

[Bill Ryan]

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This is a third-hand report, but it's credible enough to be worth posting here.

In April of this year (2012) I was visiting friends in western Montana. They, in turn, had a friend in Eureka, Montana, about 100 miles away -- and this man knew some river guides that led rafting parties down the upper Kootenai.

The rafting guides were descending the river, I believe towards the end of last year (2011). From their raft, they spotted a railroad siding full of unusual boxcars. It was right next to the river, and there was no road anywhere near.

They pulled ashore to take a look -- and the boxcars were the same type earlier reported as having shackles and chains and seemingly being designed to transport human prisoners.

There are one or two notorious photos on the internet, such as these from http://texemarrs.com:



I was keen to visit the site and capture some incontrovertible video. But at that time (April) it was too early for the river guides to be back on the river -- and my friends' friend (who knew the guides) did not know the exact location of the boxcar siding. In any event, this would only have been accessible by rail or down the river itself.

So the report remains an intriguing rumor. But it's another data point that contributes to a very disturbing pattern of increasing probabilities.

[avid]

Bill, i thought those boxcars were for transporting vehicles (new cars etc) as the 'shackles' are spaced to hold wheels, and therefore rather big for a person. A long time ago someone posted a picture of them being used exactly for this purpose.

Regards Avid

[danceblackcatdance]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
With all that is happening... all may not be as it seems. There "may" be another purpose for the movements of assets.

maybe they're bringing into effect new assets, lasers / sonics weapons and all that jazz... maybe the ones being moved redundant and they're being scrapped or sold....

[bogeyman]

I'm sure new lock down secret prisons exist throughout the United States. After all if riots happen under Martial Law, and there isn't enough space in the current prison system, the people they arrest will have to be placed somewhere. Mobile prison trains is another aspect or even prison ships off shore. That is of course if it isn't shoot to kill policy?

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm

[9eagle9]

Clean up in aisle Zen.

Posted by modwiz (here)
I might need a barf bag.

[wynderer]

re Bill's post/photo of the trains: when i lived in Boulder i was friends w/a man who worked for the railroad, a 'quality control' job w/our country's grain shipments

he said that in 2006, we had a very good harvest, but that almost all of it was being shipped out of the country -- i think that actually it was being diverted to the DUMBs [my intuition]--

in 2007, he said we also had an abundant harvest, but that suddenly there was a major shortage of trains -- no one knew why, but Bill's photo gives the answer, i think [alas]

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by avid (here)
Bill, i thought those boxcars were for transporting vehicles (new cars etc) as the 'shackles' are spaced to hold wheels, and therefore rather big for a person. A long time ago someone posted a picture of them being used exactly for this purpose.

Regards Avid

From http://forums.military.com/eve/forum.../1810070812001
and
http://docstoc.com/docs/75301243/AME...EW-WORLD-ORDER

The FEMA Boxcars Are Now CONFIRMED REALITY

-by Pamela Schuffert, providing investigative journalism with a Christian perspective

Since 1996, I have been consistently traveling, investigating, documenting and reporting that there are thousands of prisoner boxcars with shackles, manufactured out of Portland, OR, by GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION (plus other separate boxcar manufacturing companies/operations located nationwide.)

Through numerous contacts, including CIA/Naval Intel and other sources, it has been confirmed personally to me that there are numerous covert "FEMA/HOMELAND SECURITY concentration camps" located across America, Canada and Alaska for the hour of martial law and the seizure of this nation for the New World Order.

Many of these camps are actual termination facilities, some equipped with gassing/crematory facilities. Some of these facilities are also incorporated into the military's DUMBs (deep underground military facilities.) From sources inside the CIA, it was revealed to me that these numerous camps have been established to detain and ultimately terminate what they consistently referred to as "the resisters of the New World Order." (Michael Maholy, 20 years CIA/Naval Intelligence; confirmed independently by Elaine, former CIA assassin/NWO agenda planner.)

"Oh, all of us in the intelligence community know about the concentration camps and their purposes...we ALL know that they are to TERMINATE THE RESISTERS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER UNDER MARTIAL LAW." (CIA/ONI Michael Maholy.)

But what IS a resister of the New World Order? The definition our "friendly" US government has applied will surprise you!

A "NWO resister" includes:

• A Christian (firm Bible believer)
• A Constitutionalist - A Patriot
• A gun owner who refuse to relinquish 2nd Amendment rights
• Anyone who adheres to the concepts of maintaining our national sovereignty, the Constitution and rejects the concept of United Nations world government control in its place is labeled by the government as a "resister of the New World Order."
• Those radio broadcasters, lecturers, authors, and pastors who publicly come against the New World Order.

Have you ever listened to alternate news radio broadcasts exposing the NWO? They are all telling America the truth about the New World Order and its dark agenda for America via the UN/martial law agenda. And every independent reporter, including myself, knows that they are irrevocably marked for persecution under the NWO/martial law agenda our nation is now entering into. People like them are the more open and obvious examples of "resisters of the NWO."

Even now, listed silently in classified government/military/intelligence community computers are the names of millions of fellow American Patriots ALREADY PROFILED as "resisters of the NWO."

Such people have been marked for priority arrest, transport to these modern concentration camps (under FEMA or military jurisdiction,) interrogation in some cases, and ultimately termination for many.

Interrogation? "Are you a member of the militia? Who is your leader? Where are your secret cells located? How many secret weapons caches do you have?" Or, "Who is your Pastor? Where are your food supplies hidden? How many belong to your prayer group?" Etc.

The CIA and the military have been secretly perfecting both mind control drugs and torture techniques designed to force compliance or to be used in interrogation sessions. I have been personally informed by former CIA planners of the NWO agenda under martial law that those arrested can anticipate "...brutal rape, torture and death once they are arrested and taken to the camps!"

I know the credibility of these sources and I do not make these statements lightly. The people whom I have interviewed on this subject have been part of the "inner planning" of the coming New World order takeover for years. They know of what they speak.

As one former CIA admitted, "I even helped design the blueprints for some of these camps. And although NOW I greatly regret my role, the camps stand to this day and will be activated under martial law."

It was then that this source paused, looked intently into my eyes and revealed, "...I tell you, it will be brutal rape, torture and death once they are arrested and taken to the camps..."

One person who worked with military planners for NWO takeover admitted to me during an interview, "We NWO satanists sat around discussing how long we could prolong the lives of arrested Christians under torture until they finally expired. We came up with 11-13 days."

This source exposing the NWO agenda, CISCO WHEELER, has written several books on this subject, including CIA/mlitary torture/mind control drugs testing and their victims, and whose father was a military participant in all this.

Particularly hated by the NWO agenda are Christians who, for Bible-based reasons, will refuse to participate in their Luciferic based NWO. Former Satanists/Illuminati, who are the backbone of the NWO, have admitted this to me repeatedly. And this is the reason why Christians will be considered a major target for arrest and removal as NWO takeover progresses in America.

How many times must I emphasize this to wake up the churches in America???

I have interviewed victim-survivors of the CIA/military torture practice sessions in facilities such as China Lake Naval Ordnance Research facility. Neither infants nor children were spared the horrors of such brutal testing... testing that left many of them either dead or scarred for life. Those "resisters of the NWO" who are not speedily terminated at the many gassing/cremating or microwaving facilities across America, Canada and Alaska may instead be diverted to facilities such as those located in deep underground military bases for human experimentation UNTIL THEY EXPIRE. (Remember Joseph Mengele and the Nazi doctors? Sadly, history DOES repeat itself.)

Or turned over to Satanist covens for human sacrifice cannon fodder. I have inside basis and independent, repeat confirmations for each and every statement I have just made.

EYE WITNESS SIGHTINGS OF PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES

I have interviewed many eye-witnesses to these prisoner boxcars. There are several varieties of prisoner boxcars, ranging from all new, metal, modern versions higher than average boxcars to refurbished older boxcars. Some versions have the modern guillotines (imported from Japan and China) installed in them, others do not. But ALL have shackles installed to restrain prisoners.

One variety of prisoner boxcars has been imported from China, in the form of 40 foot cargo containers, with shackles installed and a modern guillotine at the head of each one. Their TRUE intentions are easily concealed from public scrutiny and have no windows. For all practical purposes, they appear to be normal Chinese cargo containers (like HANJIN, COSCO, etc.) that can be piggybacked on train flatbeds or trucks.

It has been reported to me by NWO agenda investigator Lee Harrington that originally 20,000 of these prisoner cargo containers were ordered from China. These were ordered under secret contract through one cooperating Congressman who met with officials in China. (And you WONDER why NWO supporters like Clinton and Bush Sr. and Jr. have had "love affairs" with China??? China, through supplying these prisoner boxcars, has just enabled them to more speedily terminate the hated resisters of their New World Order!)

Some prisoner boxcars have been observed in Montana, at one point near Columbia Falls in the Glacier area. Personal friends taking a missionary journey across America stumbled upon them during a picture-taking expedition in the forest near Columbia Falls. My friend Marie McCullough recounted,

"We were following the railroad tracks into the forest, so that we would not get lost and could find out way out. We were surprised as we followed them deeper into the woods to discover boxcars, looking out of place and all painted black. Suspicious, we decided to look inside one if we could. We saw one that had a door partially open. We struggled to slide it open all the way, and when our eyes adjusted to the dark interior, what we saw shocked us. There were rows of shackles installed in the boxcar. My friend Rose pointed to the end of the boxcar and I said, 'Rose, what IS that?'"

"She replied, 'Why, Marie, don't you SEE what that is??? IT'S A GUILLOTINE! "

"We were frightened by then, and decided to follow the railroad tracks and leave the area. When we returned to our host's home and shared what we had seen, they got angry and told us, 'we WARNED you to stay away from that area! It has guards with rifles... you could have gotten killed!'"

Marie admits she is under government surveillance and her phone is constantly monitored... simply for discovering a deadly NWO secret. When I finally traveled to Montana to investigate, I encountered Patriots in Columbia Falls who admitted that, while hunting in the northern wilderness above Glacier, they had stumbled on these boxcars on remote sidetracks as well. (They also encountered Russian soldiers in training with American military counterparts.)

I also met with Lee Harrington of Vallier, MT, former military liason officer and later a metal worker who admitted that there had been a "boxcar with shackles" operation in Glasgow, MT that employed summer youth workers one year to help weld shackles into boxcars.

From there, they were shipped west along Highway 2, through Cut Bank and on to remote areas around Glacier to remain concealed on remote sidetracks until the hour of martial law takeover and their grim deployment. (These are the older boxcars that have been refurbished and painted black.)

One eye-witness from the Cut Bank Indian reservation personally observed these boxcars as they slowly passed through his reservation, noting the doors on some still open and the shackles plainly in view. Disturbed about what he saw, he reported this to a Montana Christian intercessors' group, which reported this to me in person in Bozeman, MT.

I personally observed, while investigating in White Fish near Kalispell in the Glacier area, frequent trains arriving with the Chinese 40 foot cargo containers on board, double stacked, all pulled by BURLINGTON NORTHERN/SANTA FE. While I realized that many could be legitimately filled with consumer goods, I also knew that others could be the deadly prisoner boxcar cargo containers. It was impossible to tell one from the other.

People who know this dark truth reported to me with alarm that many of these 40 foot cargo containers have been seen building up at Long Beach Naval Shipyards, which has been turned over to the Chinese. Knowing the role that Chinese troops will play against American resisters of the NWO/UN takeover (through the Trilateral Alliance Treaty secret agreement with China to deploy their troops against Americans offering resistance under martial law,) they are suspicious as to their nature.

TRUCKERS ENCOUNTER MODERN GUILLOTINES

Truckers also know some deadly secrets of the New World Order agenda for America. In the course of traveling thousands of miles across America to research this subject, I have interviewed many truckers and their contacts.They have admitted to me personally that they or their trucker buddies have delivered shipments of the MODERN GUILLOTINES, manufactured in China and Japan, and unloaded on the loading docks of San Diego and other west coast ports of entry.

Guillotine shipments have been going on in earnest for many years now, and eyewitness sightings have increased. Military sources have admitted helping unload such deadly cargos at military facilities, to be stored in warehouse for the hour of NWO/UN takeover. Incredulous over the early reports I received of guillotines in America, I discussed this subject with Patriot investigator Ed Pack, and former CIA NWO planner Elaine.

Both admitted that the guillotines were a reality. Elaine commented, "I have been to the manufacturing plant in Japan where they are made. And I have stood on the loading docks of San Diego as they were unloaded to be distributed across America. At THAT time I rejoiced, because I knew what they would be used for the termination of Christians who stood in the way of our New World Order!"

Such sentiments were echoed to me by former high level Illuminati/Satanist DOC MARQUIS, now of CHRISTIANS EXPOSING THE OCCULT. Doc told me that when he was personally flown out to the FEMA gassing/crematory detention camp in the Mojave (it has a landing strip) he rejoiced as he was shown around ths deadly compound.

"My sentiments? I rejoiced over the thought that Christians would be terminated in this place." ("Christians" in reference to being "resisters of the New World Order...THEIR Illuminati NWO! Doc is now a Christian and is exposing the deadly secrets of the NWO.)

FURTHER EYE WITNESSES TO THE NWO/NOAHIDE LAWS GUILLOTINES

Personal friends (Russian Christians that I network with across America) I have interviewed in Washington State have seen the guillotines in the back of one truck. Two state troopers pulled over a truck on the highway these eyewitnesses were traveling on. They were detained by this.

They watched as the trucker led the troopers to the back of the truck and broke the seal and opened the doors to disclose the contents.

"We were shocked to see that the truck was filled from front to back with nothing but guillotines!"

Satisfied, the troopers then left. These Russian Christians in the car behind the truck came out to talk with the trucker. He was terrified about what his truck contained: it was a sealed shipment. He had not been informed of his deadly cargo! The eyewitnesses recounted, "He was so shocked he turned in his truck and his papers and refused to even deliver his shipment and simply walked away..." (These eyewitnesses are solid Christians living in Spokane, WA.)

[Bill Ryan]

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I found the above article when searching for evidence of the reality, or otherwise, of the boxcars -- in response to Avid's post.

While the article is extreme and chilling (to the point of being hard to believe!) -- I was a little shocked to read independent confirmation of my friend's account of the boxcars in Montana. It all fits. (And I wish it didn't.)

The article might be paranoid fantasy and invention. But, if true, it could not be more important.

[SilentFeathers]

This may be of importance if proven to be true......

Department of Homeland Security orders over a half ton of high explosives

8 Aug 2012
By James Smith

A solicitation placed today at the Government marketplace shows that the Department of Homeland Security, via the Transportation Safety Administration has requested 700 pounds of High Density Ammonium Nitrate and 700 pounds of A-5 Flake RDX, with a deliver date by 31 August 2012. That is less than 4 days before the start of the Democrat National Convention.

Why would the DHS/TSA order such material?
http://pprnnews.prepperpodcast.com/d...#ixzz22wFLB2Hb

I haven't had time to research the links etc in the article, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is some truth to this.

[greybeard]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I found the above article when searching for evidence of the reality, or otherwise, of the boxcars -- in response to Avid's post.

While the article is extreme and chilling (to the point of being hard to believe!) -- I was a little shocked to read independent confirmation of my friend's account of the boxcars in Montana. It all fits. (And I wish it didn't.)

The article might be paranoid fantasy and invention. But, if true, it could not be more important.

I have no doubt Bill that you shared here exactly what you were given and had confirmed by various sources.
However there are a lot of honest decent people in the forces and of course many Christians.
I believe that an overwhelming number of these would just not go along with this--- not enough hard core would be left to carry out the elimination of millions of Americans.
A relatively long period of indoctrination would be required to bring this off, as with Hitler Youth Camps-- SS training.
Hitler appealed to patriotism and elitism while NWO does not have as far as I can see that necessary element that would appeal to enough people to bring off mass extermination or concentration camps.

Regards
Chris

[pyrangello]

My thoughts are if ICE and TSA need 5 years to complete their order of 450 million rounds of hollow point bullets then I'm thinking were a long ways off yet for the wheels to fall off the cart. Looking at the US in a snapshot, we have the highest ever assitance going on, food is abundant and free, and there are so many give away programs I really don't see a reason for people to start anything.

U.S. corporations have the most cash in the bank that they have ever had, I think 2-3 trillion cash, one big obsticle why they are not spending the money is Obamacare and the unknown costs associated with that and since the administration is so anti-business my guess is that many businesses aren't spending the money because they want to see an administration change. Just a guess and my 2 cents , Could be wrong but......

[Arrowwind]

Posted by avid (here)
Bill, i thought those boxcars were for transporting vehicles (new cars etc) as the 'shackles' are spaced to hold wheels, and therefore rather big for a person. A long time ago someone posted a picture of them being used exactly for this purpose.

Regards Avid

Yes, they are designed for vehicle transport. I contacted Union Pacific (all those box cars carry the Union Pacific logo, is my understanding) on this matter at one time regarding this issue. They even sent a rep to join the forum I was on to discuss the matter. He said that if these cars were intended for human transport in "shackles" that members of Union Pacific would have been up in arms about it. Now of course this proves nothing but neither does all the fear mongering.

No one has proved anything.

and Guillotines?

How wonderfully antiquated... designed to send chills down the spine of the conspiratory theorist. Makes me think of the French Revolution.

Give me a break.
Where did our high tech innovation go?

[wynderer]

Hi Chris -- thanks for your post -- tho i have known about the trains etc for some yrs, re-reading P Schuffert's article kind of whammied me -- i've been cheering myself up by thinking, 'It ain't over till the Fat Lady sings'

i was also thinking that Humanity really needs a massive consciousness awakening -- i read of a study in which it was determined that in order for fascism to succeed, it takes roughly 30% of the people to don the uniforms, get the perks & paychecks, & put the bureaucratic /mil structure of fascism into place

if worst comes to worst, i'll remember Crazy Horse --'Hoka Hey -- It is a good day to die'

wyn

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
-------

I found the above article when searching for evidence of the reality, or otherwise, of the boxcars -- in response to Avid's post.

While the article is extreme and chilling (to the point of being hard to believe!) -- I was a little shocked to read independent confirmation of my friend's account of the boxcars in Montana. It all fits. (And I wish it didn't.)

The article might be paranoid fantasy and invention. But, if true, it could not be more important.

I have no doubt Bill that you shared here exactly what you were given and had confirmed by various sources.
However there are a lot of honest decent people in the forces and of course many Christians.
I believe that an overwhelming number of these would just not go along with this--- not enough hard core would be left to carry out the elimination of millions of Americans.
A relatively long period of indoctrination would be required to bring this off, as with Hitler Youth Camps-- SS training.
Hitler appealed to patriotism and elitism while NWO does not have as far as I can see that necessary element that would appeal to enough people to bring off mass extermination or concentration camps.

Regards
Chris

[CdnSirian]

Beyond horrible. I am just going to have to ignore all this.

[Heartsong]

This all seems very amerocentric - Anybody know of parallel activities in Endland, France, Sweden, Italy?

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Heartsong (here)
This all seems very amerocentric - Anybody know of parallel activities in Endland, France, Sweden, Italy?

(Fred dons his globalist cap.) Once the world's largest military, and the world's largest gun toting population are firmly under my control, it's game over. Check, and Check Mate!

[bogeyman]

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders


There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

Now let's review the justification for any actions taken...

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990

allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995

allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997

allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998

allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999

allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000

allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001

allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002

designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005

allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051

specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310

grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049

assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921

allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...

National Security Act of 1947

allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

1950 Defense Production Act

gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

Act of August 29, 1916

authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.

International Emergency Economic Powers Act

enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

[Lazlo]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by avid (here)
Bill, i thought those boxcars were for transporting vehicles (new cars etc) as the 'shackles' are spaced to hold wheels, and therefore rather big for a person. A long time ago someone posted a picture of them being used exactly for this purpose.

Regards Avid

Yes, they are designed for vehicle transport. I contacted Union Pacific (all those box cars carry the Union Pacific logo, is my understanding) on this matter at one time regarding this issue. They even sent a rep to join the forum I was on to discuss the matter. He said that if these cars were intended for human transport in "shackles" that members of Union Pacific would have been up in arms about it. Now of course this proves nothing but neither does all the fear mongering.

No one has proved anything.

and Guillotines?

How wonderfully antiquated... designed to send chills down the spine of the conspiratory theorist. Makes me think of the French Revolution.

Give me a break.
Where did our high tech innovation go?

http://wot.motortrend.com/mazda-to-b...road-2118.html


This is ridiculous. You can even order a toy train car of the auto carrier model from Lionel. The company Trailer Train is but one of the manufacturers. My dad worked his entire career for the railroad and I can confidently state that these are in fact used for transporting autos. They use the enclosed boxcars so that the cars don't show up at the dealerships dirty and damaged from rocks, bugs, hail, etc. It also keeps theives at bay. Railyards are not "in the best areas of towns" and thieves would strip the new cars to the bones like rabid hyenas if they weren't protected. He's got a great set of photos of several hundred new Honda Accords strewn about the tracks after a derailment once they left the Marysville, Ohio manufacturing plant.

Take a look at the motortrend link above for a picture of a new auto rolling out of a boxcar.

Edit to add: A little common sense also helps here. The logistics of chaining people would be a nightmare for crowd control. Zip ties (disposable handcuffs) are much cheaper, easier to use, and would allow for more efficient loading of sheeple.