Can democracy really exist?

[bogeyman]

Any decision that is made, either by a individual or a group of people, ultimately has to come to a conclusion. There has to be a final "the buck stops here", in order for something to be achieved.

It has been said the majority rules, if they are in agreement in how something should be decided and accomplished. What about the minority that doesn't agree? Is this right?

Ultimately a small group or a individual has to make an important and final decision. If such important decisions where left to the masses nothing would be agreed upon, or it would take too longer a period, after an intensive debate. When we vote we have limited choices on who we vote for, since the mechanics of the system require all sorts of things from us to even have a chance of becoming a candidate to represent our people, and if these cannot be achieve then that is the end of our short lived political life. The choices of who we vote form seem to have been made by people we never see, hear, elect or even know exist.

So it seems we are ruled by the few over the many so much for democracy.

[Kindred]

The US was constituted as a Republic, using democratic principles, but founded in the rule of law such that the people retain all rights, and the gov't has only limited responsibilities, the foremost of which is to Insure the rights of the minority cannot be infringed.

However, as Thomas Jefferson has said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

This was the reason the US gov't was instituted as a Republic, and is Not a 'democracy'. However, of late, we've heard the continual beating of the 'democracy drum', for a reason. This is meant to instill a false understanding in the populace of what the US truly is. (tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth for many who don't question the lie)

While it's been posted here many times, it gets buried. The basics are laid out in the first 10 minutes, but the entire piece is well worth the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU

In Unity, Peace and Love

[wynderer]

democracy is possible -- here's a link to a lot of info about the Iroquois Confederacy, in upstate NY & into Canada --

The Six Nations:
Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/

[Kindred]

Posted by wynderer (here)
democracy is possible -- here's a link to a lot of info about the Iroquois Confederacy, in upstate NY & into Canada --

The Six Nations:
Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/

Yes, it is possible... but the methods by which the leaders are chosen is completely different, as is their ethos. These people believe in Honor, Truth, and Integrity - not a cut-throat $ centered world. Therein lies the biggest difference. They had a completely different set of values...
here's a link to a thread I had started on this very issue of Value...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...uman-Suffering

In Unity, Peace and Love - for These are the Only 'Things' of True Value.

[bluestflame]

in democracys current system 49% of the people have to______(insert imposed decision) what the other 51% voted for ...ie , what the 49% voted against

so it's actually a form of dictator ship where one half of the population is played off against the other half

ever wonder why it's so hard to resolve conflict?

[Kano]

Yes, it is important to use the words we mean as Kindred pointed out so articulately. The USA was founded as a Democratic Republic, not a Democracy. There is a big difference. But all too often you hear these intellectual prostitute puppeteer political pundits (quite an unintentional alliteration) use the word 'democracy' to describe the USA.

Perhaps these "leaders" would've been better off using their $200k learning origami than giving it to the Ivy league schools that brainwashed them into selling their souls. Time and time again it is proven that they don't know sh*t from Shinola.

[Violet]

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Any decision that is made, either by a individual or a group of people, ultimately has to come to a conclusion. There has to be a final "the buck stops here", in order for something to be achieved.

It has been said the majority rules, if they are in agreement in how something should be decided and accomplished. What about the minority that doesn't agree? Is this right?

Ultimately a small group or a individual has to make an important and final decision. If such important decisions where left to the masses nothing would be agreed upon, or it would take too longer a period, after an intensive debate. When we vote we have limited choices on who we vote for, since the mechanics of the system require all sorts of things from us to even have a chance of becoming a candidate to represent our people, and if these cannot be achieve then that is the end of our short lived political life. The choices of who we vote form seem to have been made by people we never see, hear, elect or even know exist.

So it seems we are ruled by the few over the many so much for democracy.

According to Gadaffi's Green Book democracy should never exist for a good reason.

[GK76]

This is very much "putting the cart before the horse" - before we fix government of human beings we need to fix the human being. Any government system created by the human being will look great on paper but it will never stand the test of human failings.

This really needed to be said.

[Cartomancer]

The U.S.A is supposed to actually be a Republic. Through history democracies have been inherently flawed and don't work. Fixing the human being is a great idea and maybe we are seeing some progress in that direction in recent history.

[bogeyman]

Here in the UK, I read an internal report which was written by the Ditchley Foundation, it states that the United Kingdom was an "elective dictatorship". Yes the major problem with so called democracies is the human being.

[Kindred]

Posted by GK76 (here)
This is very much "putting the cart before the horse" - before we fix government of human beings we need to fix the human being. Any government system created by the human being will look great on paper but it will never stand the test of human failings.

This really needed to be said.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world" Gandhi

To start your own personal 'transformation', which will ultimately beget a Better World, I'll Strongly suggest to begin meditating... Daily.

The change begins with YOU (US, collectively)

In Unity, Peace and Love

[bogeyman]

In many cases in our lives the democratic process isn't valid or not adhered to. Such as going to work and having a superior or boss, who tells you what to do, that is not a choice it is demand or dictated to you to do something. Laws that you abide by many of which you never voted directly for or even knew existed. Is it not a collective mind set? Or are we just creatures of habit, like sheep follow sheep? There is also decision making for the common good. If a group of individuals live on a piece of land which is say radioactive, and a law enforcement official tells you to move off the land for your own good, or even worse forces you off the land, is not that effecting your freedom of choice? I'm convinced the political system itself is flawed. Also the individuals that follow this system. The whole idea of economics and the term "value" of something is very flawed as well. Both are designed for control.

[David Trd1]

Posted by GK76 (here)
This is very much "putting the cart before the horse" - before we fix government of human beings we need to fix the human being. Any government system created by the human being will look great on paper but it will never stand the test of human failings.

This really needed to be said.

Agreed,until we learn balance and integrity ourselves it doesn't matter what social/political construct we create.It will always reflect the spaces in-between one way or another.

[Peace of Mind]

There’s enough room on this planet for everyone to live the way they see fit. As far as governing goes…I want to eliminate these politicians and have EVERY decision go to the polls. We should vote on everything instead of voting for figure heads to make the decisions for us all. They never do the things we ask of them and always say the same beautiful broken promises on their campaign trails. I don't know about you guys but I'm tired of it.

Peace

[aranuk]

Posted by Kindred (here)
The US was constituted as a Republic, using democratic principles, but founded in the rule of law such that the people retain all rights, and the gov't has only limited responsibilities, the foremost of which is to Insure the rights of the minority cannot be infringed.

However, as Thomas Jefferson has said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

This was the reason the US gov't was instituted as a Republic, and is Not a 'democracy'. However, of late, we've heard the continual beating of the 'democracy drum', for a reason. This is meant to instill a false understanding in the populace of what the US truly is. (tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth for many who don't question the lie)

While it's been posted here many times, it gets buried. The basics are laid out in the first 10 minutes, but the entire piece is well worth the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU

In Unity, Peace and Love

Excellent video Kindred worth watching
Thank you.

Stan

[bogeyman]

Homeland, Deutschland, Fatherland, Motherland. What do they all have in common?