Desire and Frustration = addiction = control.

[pie'n'eal]

Desire and Frustration = addiction = control.

I've written about this before, but it's worth repeating. If we look we find that we are driven by two energies, Desire which leads to Frustration. In wanting something, we find we want more, fear losing what we think we have, or spend our time maintaining it. It's the porn effect.. it's addiction!

DESIRE + FRUSTRATION = ADDICTION = CONTROL.

If you want to control a population, you feed their desires! ….at a very early age!!!

This human existence is based on Desire and Frustration. The acts of desire and frustration create addiction, and so we never find satisfaction. Addiction creates distraction.

Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment. We can even be addicted to thinking we are free of all this! As always this comes down to the spirituality and consciousness, we are addicted to a feeling of an acquired 'self'. This 'self' idea is just an array of adornments hanging onto our true essential essence.

We can turn this on its head by using addiction in the opposite way... be addicted to compassion!

GENEROSITY and PATIENCE + ADDICTION = CONTINUOUS LOVE.

Geiting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying...
but you cannot expect anything in return!




Tony

[peterpam]

[QUOTE=pie'n'eal;535842]Desire and Frustration = addiction = control.

I've written about this before, but it's worth repeating. If we look we find that we are driven by two energies, Desire which leads to Frustration. In wanting something, we find we want more, fear losing what we think we have, or spend our time maintaining it. It's the porn effect.. it's addiction!

DESIRE + FRUSTRATION = ADDICTION = CONTROL.

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This human existence is based on Desire and Frustration. The acts of desire and frustration create addiction, and so we never find satisfaction. Addiction creates distraction.

Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment. We can even be addicted to thinking we are free of all this! As always this comes down to the
We can turn this on its head by using addiction in the opposite way... be addicted to compassion!

GENEROSITY and PATIENCE + ADDICTION = CONTINUOUS LOVE.

Geiting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying...
but you cannot expect anything in return!:ear

Tony, with years of experience as an addict I so appreciate what you have to say.. Addiction in all its essence is truly a distraction..How familiar was the cycle of built up anxiety, binging, remorse, and cleaning up the destruction..almost comforting in a sick sort of way...Also, it is so true that turning that obsessive compulsive energy into something that is life sustaining rather than destructive is very possible and I have been able to do that to some degree..I am now a compulsive gardener and distance walker...sure beats the hangover...

[Flash]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Desire and Frustration = addiction = control.

I've written about this before, but it's worth repeating. If we look we find that we are driven by two energies, Desire which leads to Frustration. In wanting something, we find we want more, fear losing what we think we have, or spend our time maintaining it. It's the porn effect.. it's addiction!

DESIRE + FRUSTRATION = ADDICTION = CONTROL.

If you want to control a population, you feed their desires! ….at a very early age!!!

This human existence is based on Desire and Frustration. The acts of desire and frustration create addiction, and so we never find satisfaction. Addiction creates distraction.

Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment. We can even be addicted to thinking we are free of all this! As always this comes down to the spirituality and consciousness, we are addicted to a feeling of an acquired 'self'. This 'self' idea is just an array of adornments hanging onto our true essential essence.

We can turn this on its head by using addiction in the opposite way... be addicted to compassion!

GENEROSITY and PATIENCE + ADDICTION = CONTINUOUS LOVE.

Geiting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying...
but you cannot expect anything in return!




Tony

The desire to read your posts every day + the frustration of not being able to (for many reasons) = addiction to your threads

This thread is brillant once again

[polly1022]

It's so funny you posted this today. Right now I am facing the loss of all my little OCD comforts for the next 3 weeks or more. Due to financial problems I will have no cigarettes ( yah I know I know LOL ), no soda, no tv, dwindling food supply...which is good because I won't have my diabetes medication either, and I will have to cut my other meds for Fibro/MS in half, and I have lost the hearing in one of my ears due to a drug reaction. All of this AT THE SAME TIME. I AM TRIPPING ! But I'm sitting here laughing at myself too. Trying to figure out what distractions I can substitute for the loss of the other distractions hahahahahaha I think this forum may be one of them.
Almost everything we do in life is a distraction. It's a routine and certain people get bogged down with certain routines. It's comfort. Different things comfort different people but everyone has them and everyone is addicted to them to an extent. It boils down to, how useful are your addictions ? My grandmother and father were addicted to helping people. I also have that affliction LOL
yes addiction, OCD, distraction...all a form of control. What IS NOT control on some level ? I'm asking this honestly because I would like to find that place.

"GENEROSITY and PATIENCE + ADDICTION = CONTINUOUS LOVE."...... yes but it's still a form of control over your life and even the lives of others. It's a form of control I find useful and fulfilling though, unlike my other habits.

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by polly1022 (here)
It's so funny you posted this today. Right now I am facing the loss of all my little OCD comforts for the next 3 weeks or more. Due to financial problems I will have no cigarettes ( yah I know I know LOL ), no soda, no tv, dwindling food supply...which is good because I won't have my diabetes medication either, and I will have to cut my other meds for Fibro/MS in half, and I have lost the hearing in one of my ears due to a drug reaction. All of this AT THE SAME TIME. I AM TRIPPING ! But I'm sitting here laughing at myself too. Trying to figure out what distractions I can substitute for the loss of the other distractions hahahahahaha I think this forum may be one of them.
Almost everything we do in life is a distraction. It's a routine and certain people get bogged down with certain routines. It's comfort. Different things comfort different people but everyone has them and everyone is addicted to them to an extent. It boils down to, how useful are your addictions ? My grandmother and father were addicted to helping people. I also have that affliction LOL
yes addiction, OCD, distraction...all a form of control. What IS NOT control on some level ? I'm asking this honestly because I would like to find that place.

"GENEROSITY and PATIENCE + ADDICTION = CONTINUOUS LOVE."...... yes but it's still a form of control over your life and even the lives of others. It's a form of control I find useful and fulfilling though, unlike my other habits.

Dear Polly,

If we are aware of our addictions, then we have some degree of control. Meaning that the control is now in our hands...not someone else's!
When we are aware of what is going on in our minds, we can allow our habitual tendencies to be there, but we don't have to hold on too tightly.
Until we are totally enlightened we will have a little clinging to this and that, that's ok!

It's something to work with, I am addicted to eliminating confusion in the world...I'm obsessed!

Regarding your health, this is just a suggestion, look up the SECOND OPINION website by Barry Groves he has some interesting things to say about diabetes.


All the best, and welcome to the forum,
Tony

[CdnSirian]

Great thread! Thanks again Tony and all above.

My awareness of addictions (besides the usual) came into focus many years ago when I read "When Society Becomes an Addict" by Anne Wilson Schaef where I realized that vacuuming and arranging sock drawers can be an addiction, and "The Artist's Way" by Julia Cameron. Being able to see how day to day habits and activities become distractions from pain, angst and emptiness revealed life and its meaningless details in a new way.

I am currently trying to wean myself off guided meditations back to alone meditation. But better guided than none.

Thanks for the Second Opinion reference!

[gooty64]

This thread really hits home with me and my experiences.
Adyashanti say in one of his talks, "man, we are all addicts" and I had come to this realization on my own back in the early 90's while in recovery meetings from struggling with addiction.

In an AA meeting or twelve step meeting we say I'm gooty and i'm an alcoholic/addict/over-eater/sex/compulsive whatever "it" is in that meeting. But this never went far enough for me.
I could see "normal" people addicted to everything imaginable in their personal lives. It could be exercising, shopping, being nicey-nice, love, victimhood, money, power, comic books etc.

So when I heard Adyashanti say the above phrase, I was like -yeah but, I thought of it first 20 years ago.

The human condition is basically addictive. Or is it because the human is "conditioned" with desire and wanting from an early age? I don't care to know anymore.

I am grateful to have awareness of this

DESIRE + FRUSTRATION = ADDICTION = CONTROL

.

I am at least occasionally free from the grips that way of being.
My impatience still flares up and that is an indicator that I have plenty of room for improvement.

I have the most difficult time with friends and family members who are still immersed in the vicious cycle of unconsciousness and robotic programming.

And watching my nieces and nephews who are adorable but quickly becoming addictive little monsters at age 4,6,7. Now for car rides, they each have their own movie screen to watch in the expensive car my brother drives. When they get to my house they are so de-sensitized and bored with uncle alan's rural home.

What i really want to convey here is that it is near impossible to find people are where I live who aware of what the OP-pie'neal has presented here. This has lead me to spend the majority of my time at home in the rural area with my dog, birds, squirrels, trees, rocks, plants, flowers, creative projects and solitude.

Although I would like someone to spend time with, the forums are helpful, and the nature and spirits and pets are alive and I enjoy my interactions with them.
Actually, I just had a "professional" friend visit here for a half a day with me out here in the country and I could just feel his desire to get back to "civilization" and my desire to let him go there was equal!

It's MAD MAD MAD World!

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5XUi3tKos

[Rambo45]

Interesting. Then all that talk about eliminating desire (from Buddhism?) makes a lot of sense.

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by Rambo45 (here)
Interesting. Then all that talk about eliminating desire (from Buddhism?) makes a lot of sense.

Hello Rambo45,

From a buddhist point of view, desire is our essence being attracted or distracted away from it's natural inner stillness.
But one still enough desire to get out of the way of a fast moving truck coming in our direction!



kind regards ,
Tony

[9eagle9]

Geiting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying?


Who looks out for our welfare while we transfer the focus from our welfare to the welfare of others?

[Sebastion]

Damn 9eagle9.....and I was just about to ask Tony if he could get addicted to paying my rent!

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Geiting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying?


Who looks out for our welfare while we transfer the focus from our welfare to the welfare of others?

[9eagle9]

The reason I asked was..... "getting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying'"sets up an expectation on it's own. One expects total satisfaction.

I spent years caring for the welfare of others until I was essentially bankrupt, which wasn't very satisfying.

Because I had been told the same thing. But no one was looking out for my welfare. When I queried this, people said that I could look out for myself. Something I had never told anyone to do....hmm...

So I do. Otherwise I'd have no means of looking out for other people.

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Damn 9eagle9.....and I was just about to ask Tony if he could get addicted to paying my rent!

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Geiting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying?


Who looks out for our welfare while we transfer the focus from our welfare to the welfare of others?

[pie'n'eal]

"Who looks after our welfare, when are looking after others?" is a very interesting question!

Putting this into words will not be easy, and I can only talk from personal experience. All my life I 'know' I've been looked after - I couldn't possibly have made it this far on my own! When one feels this, there is no need to worry about one's own welfare...though at times I've been a bit anxious and doubted.

This is about devotion. Devotion to something higher than this 'thicko' that calls itself human. As a Buddhist I do a lot of deity practice as well as pure perception practice. I had a lot of problems with formal practice, and had a bit of a flare up with my teacher about it. He said, "OK, don't do it!"

Well, I wasn't going to be told not to do it! So I kept it up, and suddenly everything changed. I'm sticking my neck out here saying this, but the inspirational source my teacher has...I now feel a little of it.

It is to do with opening up, being vulnerable, and letting go of whatever occurs. The only wish is to be of benefit to others, because I spent years in total confusion, with people trying to lord it over me and others blinding me with elitist jargon or ritualistic dogma.

I get the feeling that some people may be used as a conduit: this will depend on their study, experiences and temperament...but this is only a guess! I know how whacky that sounds. On second thoughts, I suppose for a forum like this it's normal!

It's not something that one talks about, as it can be easily misunderstood. It is not channeling! It to do with interaction, and triggering the mind. I'm only writing this as it's the only answer I can see to help move forward.

So basically, if one feels one is being looked after oneself, then one can turn the attention to others. Any claiming or holding on to this idea, and the inspiration would vanish...nothing can be contrived. Maybe it comes from being naive...guileless...or a bit thick...

The person to ask about all this is Kathie ( Tarks the Duck).



Tony

[crested-duck]

I have to admit there seems to be a unknown force/energy that has kept me alive and saved my ass many times over the years. That phrase- you don't always get what you want, but you get what you need, constantly comes to my mind. I feel that force is directly connected to my intentions and my ego always. Sometimes humility is a seemingly unwanted side effect, but a necessary one none the less for my personal growth when needed, not necessarily chosen by me. A sometimes mostly misunderstood gift from source....Rob

[turiya]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Desire and Frustration = addiction = control.
I've written about this before, but it's worth repeating. If we look we find that we are driven by two energies, Desire which leads to Frustration. In wanting something, we find we want more, fear losing what we think we have, or spend our time maintaining it. It's the porn effect.. it's addiction!

DESIRE + FRUSTRATION = ADDICTION = CONTROL.

If you want to control a population, you feed their desires! ….at a very early age!!!
This human existence is based on Desire and Frustration. The acts of desire and frustration create addiction, and so we never find satisfaction. Addiction creates distraction.
Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment. We can even be addicted to thinking we are free of all this! As always this comes down to the spirituality and consciousness, we are addicted to a feeling of an acquired 'self'. This 'self' idea is just an array of adornments hanging onto our true essential essence.
We can turn this on its head by using addiction in the opposite way... be addicted to compassion!

GENEROSITY and PATIENCE + ADDICTION = CONTINUOUS LOVE.

Geiting addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own is totally satisfying...
but you cannot expect anything in return!

Tony

I submit that we come into to this life to grow in consciousness.
Desire takes you further away from the here-now. And into some future moment where its fulfillment will be completed.
The future is a fiction. It does not exist. The present is the only reality that truly exists.

The dangling of the carrot of desire will lead one away from this present moment & into a future dreamworld... into maya.
Desire is why Hindus have called this world 'Maya'.

I also submit that ALL Desires lead to frustration.
Every Desire leads one further away from him/herself, further away from being in this present moment.
And into becoming more & more lost... into more frustration.
The bigger the desire the bigger the frustration that one will encounter.

The fleeting satisfaction that one experiences with having a desire seemingly fulfilled, is at best a short-lived affair.
No sooner is a desire seemingly fulfilled, does the creation of a new desire take its place. Or, does the present desire expand & take on new attributes, so that the never-ending wanting 'more' hang at some future moment.

Because if you really observe your desires, they continually change.
Initially, you want a nice one story house painted white with green shutters.
And this soon changes. Later, it becomes a two story house painted pink with blue shutters.
And on and on it goes. Observe, and see your desires are in continual flux.

To know well where one's home is, one must become immersed into becoming dismally lost & having strayed well away from it, not being able to find one's way back.
This process of getting lost, and then finding oneself, and again becoming lost, and then finding oneself again, and again, and again, and again - is a process. And to go through this process, one will come out of it with greater consciousness, with a greater awareness.
Eventually one realizes where desires will lead.

Those that have lived enough lives to finally get this, are those that are not able to be controlled.
To dangle the carrot of desire in front of an experienced soul, will have no effect.

Mind you that most here living this life are old souls.
We have been through this countless times before.
If one still has not understood where desires will lead to, then one will ride this merry-go-round until the connection is made.
Attempting to avoid desires without actually going through the process of experiencing desires & where they lead first hand (i.e. frustration), is not the way to deal with this, imo. To get it, one has to go through it, & not by avoiding desires. One has to live & learn it beyond an intellectual understanding. It has to become a part of one's bones & marrow. And that only comes through experience.

I submit that the minions that are working for the cabal are still riding that merry-go-round of desire, as they have not yet understood where their desires will lead - ultimately into frustration & becoming quite lost.

Have you got your ticket yet?

turiya

[mahalall]

be wise with compassion, for even the sensation of love is impermanent.