Horus-Ra - gathering solution ideas thread

[justoneman]

Hi Avalonians

Who am I to consider such an idea? Just one of us. Maybe some will participate with me in this exercise or maybe I might find myself alone. I hope to get some input.

My goal will be to produce a new thread targeted to be created by my own OP on September 19, 2012.

This particular pre-solution proposal thread is meant only as a collection point for members to post ideas as to how we could, as a collective of loving, intelligent and dominant life on earth at this time - the human being, achieve the day where there is no more scheduled, intentional ritual sacrifice occurring on our planet.

I am limiting this goal (for now) only to the direct practice itself and not the closely related activities such as war.

I am sure many perceive this as a ridiculous idealistic venture with no hope of ever seeing the light of day, but I have an example and direct experience with another activity which has taken place on earth amongst humanity for as far back as anyone can prove or remember and that is the practice of alcoholism/drug addiction which has been introduced to a program that has achieved resolution for millions. We are all aware of these millions of cases where individuals have recovered from this (what I call an) illness and remained free of the compulsion to drink/do drugs until the day they left their physical bodies. The most famous program is known as Alcoholics Anonymous and the closely related Narcotics Anonymous.

Perhaps I am a majority (or minority if you like) of one, but it is my firmest belief that this practice, known by many names but most popularly known as "ritual animal/human sacrifice," consciously practiced at the individual level and small group levels... practiced as I mentioned above, scheduled and fully intended, is perhaps the single foundational cause of all the rest of the woes we experience on our planet at this time. I am not saying there is not a cause behind the practice. But I see this practice as the pivot point activity from which all the rest of the physical world's suffering stems.

I feel zero concerns for the safety for my loved ones, those of us who participate in this exploration nor myself if we follow some guidelines I am about to suggest.

That we create a basic format or program which is anything but rigid. As an aside, the word "program"... please, do not allow yourself to get triggered by the word program until you consider the following clarifications. Perhaps we end up with a better word to describe what we can come up with - again, this is simply pre-exploration of ideas.

The program would be a simple set of suggestions and guidelines that could lead anyone who sincerely desires to stop their participation in this practice to achieve their goal.

This program would always be flexible (amendable) towards improvement of its approach to solution - it would self learn emphasizing what works best and culling out what does not work so well.

That the ultimate pathway to solution should always be voluntary for those who enter into the program.

That we realize it may take several years, perhaps generations before we see the day where this practice no longer occurs on Earth (if we ever see that day).

Anyways, I have reached the point in my life where I want to give something for all the taking I had done the last 55 years - this is one of my motivations. And I believe the conceptual creation of such a program could be created and documented.

It is my belief that there are members of this forum who could make significant contributions to the creation of a draft program.

Since this is going to start out as "my baby" so to speak, I am going to start out by being my own appointed coordinator as someone has to take that role. If my idea here moves to a next stage, I hope to be nothing more than a contributor of ideas and just one of many providers if this idea ever became a reality.

I am also well aware (being one who has dealt with some very nasty other dimensional entities (be they Archons or entities behind Archons or entities that have goals that go against the desire to co-exist with all within nature in a peaceful manner) that I may open myself to non-physical malevolent intervention efforts, but I am ok to take that risk from the point of view that none of my participation creates some sort of monster - always a concern for any potential "founder" of anything that ever becomes popular. I can handle this.

It may end up that what I will initially present in my Opening Post of September 19th goes nowhere, that no one else comes on board, that I may write up a suggested approach to solution which no one agrees with and which never sees the light of day of implementation.

At least I will have my peace and I would be dishonest if I did not state that is a personal goal as well as a goal that extends beyond my personal world. My inspiration is my three sons and step-daughter. two of my sons are significantly Archontically influenced. I have been and likely to some extent may still be.

Let's see if we can come up with a comprehensive, viable and veritable proposed solution.

justoneman

[justoneman]

Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned (in part from reading that same thread) actually generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

[Amzer Zo]

Well, there goes your first barrier/hurdle which 9eagle9 aptly summarized as: People want what they don't want... which can be translated into "Nothing wrong with me! It's you that..."

... and it all falls under the field of addiction. Whether it's substance, power or any other emotional energies; there is the addict and there is the enabler. Many "victims" coming out of co-dependent relationships are already on the hunt for their next abusers/perpetrators who, of course, are more than happy to oblige.

Bottom line is that one starts from where one is at and the first step is to quit any substance abuse whether street or prescriptions with the help of a balance diet and any suplements needed to soften the weaning and withdarawal symptoms as well as minmizing the influence of "biological parasites" and along with a detox program to rid the body of accumulated drug residues as in "un esprit sain dans un corps sain." That's the foundation that will enable the success of whatever procedures/methods is used to rid one of these "other addictions."

Good go anyway!

[justoneman]

I got an e-mail from our friend, NancyV and she gave me permission to post it - here is what she said (small edits for some personal stuff)

... "I guess I have also opened up to some different perspectives. I sure never thought about Archons before the Horus-Ra thread was started. I did think that certain people were possessed or under the control of some kind of entity, negative, or positive, (usually negative) but I didn't try to define the TYPE of entity or name it. I suppose here on earth it can be helpful to know more details since it might help cope with the entities more effectively. It's great to know that it's been researched so thoroughly and some very interesting theories arrived at.

I feel like I'm pretty comfortable and clear in my understanding of life, death and all the dimensions, etc., but I try to remember that there WILL be days where I feel anxious, depressed, impatient, disgusted, bored, etc. I think it's important to remember that we will have off days and accept that it's normal for us humans. If I really think about my life I have nothing to be unhappy about, so I always accept that there is probably some kind of off energy going on that I'm picking up on. Being in a human body isn't always easy even if we do understand that it's all a game and we're eternal, all powerful beings of love.

I accept my human feelings and I'm not too hard on myself if I do have them. I just let them pass and they go away pretty quickly. As far as your "solutions" thread, I'm not sure there are ANY solutions that we can do as a group. I am not a big believer in group efforts and prefer to do things on my own. Dealing with other people's energies in groups takes so much effort at times that it can diffuse your focus too much. I figure the more focused I am the better I deal with ANYTHING that happens or will happen. But I do like to listen to others ideas and consider any thoughts for solutions.

I doubt that there are any solutions to this reality that will change it greatly, other than the normal changes in societies...wars, etc. I don't think the negativity will ever stop. I think the negative and positive maintain somewhat of a balance. After all, we're in duality. If we want more positive more often we either have to change our own perceptions or go to a higher vibrational dimension. But they still play control games THERE and the negativity still exists as long as we're separate from Source. This is the CREATION...it's all one big matrix. It's not supposed to be any ONE way. The possibilities are unlimited and we can't really successfully get many others, or even ANY others to do what we want them to do or be the way we want them to be. So I do best if I give up on wanting anything to change others to what I think would be more ideal. Of course I work towards changes in my own life but that's about it.

Why waste time wanting something that is unobtainable."

Perhaps I just have to accept that what is is what is and just work on myself. If enough of us do that, perhaps we may reach that 100th monkey before "they" lock it all down for eternity... though I bet on "us" - all of us.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well first step is if you actually performed human sacrifice and made it to the program, is to wake up and understand you are in a prison, solitary confinement while we decide what to do with you...

now separating that from the animal sacrifice, unless it was a family pet, you have hope...

first is understanding animals have been feeding humans since we got here...

eating them live is frowned upon...

so man has performed killings, at the start wild animals, people were hunters...

then farming began and along with, was the start of Spirituality. Many turned to Vegans not wanting to kill animals, so the Priests who were meet eaters came up with a revelation from God that animals must be sacrificed...

no one argued, and man continued eating meat...

some who for generations were from farming families are used to killing their livestock for food...

when that cycle stopped that was in the bloodline the lust continued and many joined weird cults to be close to the kill...

now if you really want to cure someone, send them to a slaughter house to work for a day...

when it is over, call me, I'll give the next step...

[Wantsthetruth74]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned in part from reading that same thread generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

I didn't see your thread here until just now. And I have been kind of busy this week with school starting, I am sure other parents on the board here are as well. Not all results in life are instantaneous my friend. Could you explain in laymans terms exactly what you would like to achieve, I would be happy to help if at all possible.

[justoneman]

Posted by starchild111 (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned in part from reading that same thread generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

I didn't see your thread here until just now. And I have been kind of busy this week with school starting, I am sure other parents on the board here are as well. Not all results in life are instantaneous my friend. Could you explain in laymans terms exactly what you would like to achieve, I would be happy to help if at all possible.

All I hope to achieve is simply to put forth an idea as to a potential approach we. humanity, could implement that could result (eventually) in our experience of a planet upon and within which no human being performs the conscious act of ritual animal and/or human sacrifice. To define this a bit further - the act which a human being kills another animal or human life form for the sole purpose to offer that life form's "essences" to other beings (real or perceived) and/or to themselves if they perceive themselves to be or to have allowed co-habitation within them of what we refer to by many names, but what I will call for purposes of simplification, a demonic entity.

Now let me clarify. Some purists may consider the killing of any animal as wrong, regardless of whether or not that living being was killed for the sole purpose of eating that being's "meat" for the purpose of maintaining the "killer's" own physical life. Even if the act is done in the most "spiritual way" such as the creation of food considered "kosher," or as some of my Native American friends have described to me - that when they hunt and make a kill, they give thanks to Great Spirit and the individual life form's spirit for offering up their physical body - of course these kills are meant to be eaten.

This is a whole separate debate as to right or wrong and one that I believe would be more difficult to overcome division amongst humanity.

We have to start somewhere. This is where I perceive to be the logical starting point. In fact, I have zero agenda beyond this specific goal. If this goal is able to be accomplished, then at that point perhaps humanity as a collective might desire to explore how we might no longer kill any animal for the purposes of eating under the impression by so doing, a human being is able to maintain life for it's own physical body. I believe we must take things one step at a time so I hope we leave this specific component out for now. Surely and realistically, the goal I stated above would likely take far beyond most of our own lifetimes anyways so why make the all but impossible even more impossible. Nevertheless, I hope we explore this one possibility.

What I am hoping to explore in this specific thread is various ideas as to how we, humanity, can experience this practice no more on or within Earth.

Since I have never consciously performed this act in my current lifetime I am amongst a group of human beings who cannot actually know what it is like to be someone who has. I assume from that perspective I am in a percentage amongst all humanity that is probably well above 95% (my sense is the number may be above 99%).

There are actually two groups within the target group.

Those who have willingly and consciously participated in these types of rituals and those who have been brought in unwillingly to observe and/or participate in these types of rituals.

Thus the full target group is those who have willingly or not consciously observed and/or participated with other human beings in the practice of ritual animal/human sacrifice in which the performers of the acts are doing so under the intention of offering the victim's "essences" to demons (gods, aliens, whatever you want to call them).

I know you asked for simplicity - "layman's terms" but this cannot be reduced to terms which could allow for debate as to who would be within which group.

So let's look at the two primary groups - those who have never participated in any fashion in this practice and those who have.

Amongst those who have not (again I am restricting this to our current lifetime only), I am one of these. For purposes of discussion, let's assume I am amongst the group that is likely more than 95% of humanity.

For purposes of discussion I must give a label to this group and so for now I will chose "non-participants" which implies the target group to be "participants."

The non-participants group has sub groups and these sub groups must be considered. So in looking at the group of non-participants we have those who are open minded that this practice actually occurs on or within Earth at this time and those who are not. Clearly we will get no help from the non-open minded non-participants.

I assume that within the non-participant group we have at least 95% who are not open minded and perhaps that percentage might be as high as 99% or more. Again I have started with humanity born on earth as an whole.

Assuming simply for this discussion that participants are 5% of born on Earth humanity and that amongst the non-participants we have 95% who are not even open minded about the existence of this practice (and are not worth spending energy upon in trying to sway them to open their mind) we now have two roughly equal groups - a.) non-participating, open mindeds and b.) participants.

Now we get deeper by looking at how many amongst the non-participating open minded ones are not just open minded, but convinced this practice occurs all the time on or within our planet. It would be amongst this group we would need to coalesce such that perhaps an action plan could be agreed upon and implemented. Let's call these the convinced. A far smaller percentage once again.

So now amongst the convinced non-participants we need to discover who amongst this group would be willing to explore a possible solution. And then finally amongst the group of willing, convinced non-participants we would need to isolate who might be willing to participate in an action plan which would have a realistic chance at turning the tide towards one day seeing a planet free from this practice.

Of course I am no idiot in that I do not see this as all but ridiculously idealistic. But at the same time when I look at the problem, I consider who/what I am and thus have to believe that we all are who/what I believe I am and then I consider that other problems humanity has faced has seen a turn of the tide, I cannot be comfortable with myself in that I leave this world to living souls I intentionally brought into this world, my three sons. That is my personal, direct motivation. Along side of that is my step-daughter and wife who I leave this world to, the only difference being that I did not intentionally bring them into this world (essentially NO difference). And via that logic, I extend my intention as a hope to all humanity.

One of the programs I have seen achieve success with a specific scourge is Alcoholics Anonymous. Do not think that I suggest we develop a program targeting this practice based on the 12 step program of AA. I am only pointing out a program that has done what nothing before it was able to achieve. And what I know of that program is that it started with just a few people and grew to a program that has assisted millions of alcoholics.

Why I mentioned AA is because there are only a handful of people who could be said started that program. Two primary participants, a small group of next level participants and all of their immediate families that in my opinion must be considered. Thus two human beings, Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith founded this program by bringing forth their experience from a previous group experience (a group known as the Oxford Group) and creating the program that has achieved world wide success.

Most of the ideas I have which could develop into an actual proposed, proactive approach is inspired by AA but I want to make something very clear right now. What people may know of AA today in that there is a heavy emphasis upon the spiritual component, I could never see putting forth a solution which had any requirements along spiritual lines as that would exclude atheists from being able to participate. Some might react and suggest that this problem can only be resolved via a spiritual approach. My response is that if or not that is true should be decided upon individually. To insist this would be to automatically cut off what may be a key sub group within both the non-participants as well as participants.

As we can see, each time I (the self appointed project manager here) brings forth a point, I further divide.

This alone is a key point - we cannot escape that not everyone will agree with what may result as an action plan. In the end, and when I post my OP on September 19th, it will be my proposed plan and I am fully willing to accept that no one agrees with my proposal much less participates in any way towards a next step.

But I am completely serious about this. I will not leave this physical body until I have put forth this effort to my own personal satisfaction or I die first.

I don't screw around when I get serious about a project.

justoneman

[justoneman]

Now for some thoughts regarding as to what exactly are we dealing with?

It is my strongest view that we are dealing with first and foremost a group of spirit beings who have, for some reason or another, bought into, accepted, found themselves in a collective state many refer to as "separated from the Creator."

There are two components which must be examined in the above statement - the first is "Creator" and the second is "separated." We have already defined "we" to be the collective of humanity born on Earth in the physical body within which we have incarnated at this time.

I capitalize Creator simply out of respect. We could easily use the popular term, Source. We could also use the term "our true, inherent (spiritual) nature" which does not imply an originator of our being which brings up the next point I would like to make and that is this -

I see you and you see me. Why argue as to why I see you and you see me? The minute we descend into that discussion, no matter how much we find we agree upon, we will eventually find something about this exploration upon which we disagree. So I suggest for the sake of eliminating any potential division as to why I see you and why you see me by simply accepting the fact.

Now what is clearly true with regards to me seeing you and you seeing me? We appear to each other as separate beings. If I can perceive how I am separate from you, then I propose to myself that I can also perceive myself separate from the component I mentioned above which I will now call by the least controversial term I can (at this time) come up with - and that is "Source" emphasizing my respect as mentioned above by capitalizing the term.

So now to focus on you and me. Can I consider a term for you that applies to me as well which we likely could both agree is a correct term for each other? We already have "human being" but we know there are other beings which are not human which we can see from a wider perspective are deserving of equal respect (at least in my view). A simple example that satisfies me as true is when I consider the last dog family member who was a lovely chow/eskimo mix named Angel that was with my family for almost 17 years and passed on on July 19, 2010. Yet, love her as I do, she would not have been a direct participant in this program and so clearly we can accept the "human" part of our being here without unduly opening ourselves by suggesting we must include (at this time) non-human beings within our group as well as avoiding raising ourselves (arrogantly) as the top of the chain of beings existing in physical form within our vast universe.

So now I will test some waters further, especially those of Amzer Zo. The following is only a test and meant to provoke comments.

It is my view that a human being is essentially a spirit being which has taken on many bodies including but not limited to the mental body, the emotional body and the physical body and that the human being that does not live forever within a single physical body possesses a component called the soul and that the soul is our residual memory we carry beyond the life of our current physical body and which appears to be of interest to other beings within our individual experience. It is my view that me, as a spirit being is involved in a journey that has no end, but that is just my hope and desire.

Now having stated the above and from that above stated perspective, it is my view that we, humanity born on Earth and alive at this time are suffering collectively from each of us having been subjected to acquiring (and I must use some word for now, Amzer Zo... so please suggest to me a better single word if you can come up with it) an illness that permeates one or more of the following, our spirit (body), our mental body, our emotional body and our physical body to some degree. It is my view we all have this in common on Earth at this time.

It is my view that we live within an array of dynamics where each can be seen as their own, individual dynamic. One of these is our physical body which is subject to the genetically influenced inheritance from our parents. Thus part of the problem of illness involves our genetic inheritance. I must emphasize only part of our collective problem can be a result of our genetic inheritance.

So I have introduced two views which could create great division in agreement already - one being that we are all, to some extent, ill and that to some extent, we acquire this illness through our genetic inheritance.

OK, enough exploration for one day, I hope I have not already blown up this project, but again, I have appointed myself as the project manager and such risks are inherent in moving a project along.

justoneman

[justoneman]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
well first step is if you actually performed human sacrifice and made it to the program, is to wake up and understand you are in a prison, solitary confinement while we decide what to do with you...

now separating that from the animal sacrifice, unless it was a family pet, you have hope...

first is understanding animals have been feeding humans since we got here...

eating them live is frowned upon...

so man has performed killings, at the start wild animals, people were hunters...

then farming began and along with, was the start of Spirituality. Many turned to Vegans not wanting to kill animals, so the Priests who were meet eaters came up with a revelation from God that animals must be sacrificed...

no one argued, and man continued eating meat...

some who for generations were from farming families are used to killing their livestock for food...

when that cycle stopped that was in the bloodline the lust continued and many joined weird cults to be close to the kill...

now if you really want to cure someone, send them to a slaughter house to work for a day...

when it is over, call me, I'll give the next step...

Hi Rocky - as project manager, I would not include within the program your suggestion - my goal would be to come up with a program that first and foremost accepted that the particular problem is a problem for the collective of humanity. Your suggestion automatically places the Us/Them on top of everything else and does so in a fashion that (in my view) creates the very energy which a component of the greater problem feeds upon. To approach the problem from your point of view eliminates any solution from ever coming forth.

Regardless, I appreciate that you chose to participate and offer your suggestion. justone

[Vivek]

The demystification starts here: http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark...rue-nature.htm

[justoneman]

That an idea gathering thread regarding the issues brought forth in the Horus-Ra thread is of little interest surprises me.

Perhaps all is well as it is?

Wish Them Well - by Rush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRh1I6tJa24

All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well

Spirits turned bitter by the poison of envy
Always angry and dissatisfied
Even the lost ones, the frightened and mean ones
Even the ones with a devil inside

Thank your stars you're not that way
Turn your back and walk away
Don't even pause and ask them why
Turn around and say goodbye

All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well

People who judge without a measure of mercy
All the victims who will never learn
Even the lost ones, you can only give up on
Even the ones who make you burn

Thank your stars you're not that way
Turn your back and walk away

Don't even pause and ask them why
Turn around and say goodbye

The ones who've done you wrong
The ones who pretended to be so strong
The grudges you've held for so long
It's not worth singing that same sad song

Thank your stars you're not that way
Turn your back and walk away
Don't even pause and ask them why
Turn around and say goodbye

All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well

Even though you're going through hell
Just keep on going
Let the demons dwell

Just wish them well

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by Vivek (here)
The demystification starts here: http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark...rue-nature.htm

Thanks for that link Vivek!

I like that Goddard guy's approach!

Reminded me of these posts of mine:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by wavydome (here)
[...]

I would say the scientific difficulties in this thread are in fact, due to lack of scientific funding. Most poster's are simply offering their observations around themselves for free. Each person is knowledgable on how there own energy 'feels'....

[...]
~wav

Wavy,

My contention is that individuals' perceptions and experiences have been misdirected toward a conveniently presented band-wagon (problem-reaction-solution), thwarting further looking into what it is that's exatly happening.

For the researchers of the subtle and/or invisible energies, better discernment may be brought about by answering questions such as :

What exactly is being perceived?

Where exactly is it being perceived from?

Answers to questions of that vein would derail any band-wagon conveniently suggested for misdirection and the prevention of further eagle-eye looking into the matter; leaving the human generated EMF mind-control programs unobserved... it's way "out there" in space instead.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by InTheBackground (here)
Amzer Zo,

... your very left-brained and extremely science-based logical thinking, and yet you seem to be having a lot of trouble with those who are more right-brained and feeling in their perceptions, simply because it doesn't fit into the way you yourself perceive and understand.

[...]

Lots of assumptions there... which reminds me I forgot something:

Who or what is performing the actual perceiving?

What exactly is being perceived?

Where exactly is it being perceived from?

With respect to the "who or what," have a peek at some of the posts by 9eagle9 or Carmody's re: "programs" and "beliefs," never mind the Horus-Ra thread.

Posted by Kindred (here)

[...]

Note the importance of the OBSERVER!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

See the above with respect to the "observer" which also leads to different answers to the other two questions: Is it the observer's universe? The commonly shared 3D universe? Someone else's universe? Combinations of?

His elimination process basically allows anyone to answer the above questions from an "authentic," "zero-point" perspective.

[justoneman]

Thanks Amzer Zo - I happened to have begun moving through this site (Thanks to Vivek). My solution idea I have been heading towards, in short, was that an actual center could one day exist where folks who have been involved in any way with the practice of animal/human sacrifice who truly desire a change in their life sans the practice could go and seek assistance. No matter at what level of participation they had been involved ie. a victim, an observer a direct participant, etc.

From my recent experience over at the Horus-Ra thread, I have concluded that perhaps this dream of mine is too unreachable at this time as it appears victim's rights include remaining a victim, thus I am left with "wishing them well." At some point, if we collectively survive ourselves, I would imagine some of these victims may have gotten tired of playing that role and moved on... but the key for me there is that this would all be strictly in their time.


by Vivek
"The demystification starts here:
The site's homepage - http://www.clarity-of-being.org/index.htm
Thanks for that link Vivek!"

Thanks both Vivek and Amzer Zo, we can close the solutions gathering thread now or let it die as is while Horus-Ra wiggles on.

justoneman
I like that Goddard guy's approach!

[wynderer]

i'll be checking this thread to see what solutions y'all come up with to stop babies & little children from being kidnapped for use in torture/murder ritual sacrifices

esp the babies who are conceived, carried, & born w/the intention of sacrificing them soon after they are born

[Timreh]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned (in part from reading that same thread) actually generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

Hi Justone..
Good to see the thread is still moving along.. albeit from a slow start!
To be honest I only saw it again today..
My time is limited, there are so many threads on Avalon that I try keeping up with and the Horus Ra thread takes up a lot of time as well.
I will bookmark this thread and stay close by as best I can with limited time

[justoneman]

Posted by wynderer (here)
i'll be checking this thread to see what solutions y'all come up with to stop babies & little children from being kidnapped for use in torture/murder ritual sacrifices

esp the babies who are conceived, carried, & born w/the intention of sacrificing them soon after they are born

Not my words... the words of Goddard -

http://www.clarity-of-being.org/glossary.htm#dark_force

'dark force'
"A troublesome non-physical influence that interferes, directly or indirectly, with every single person. Actually, 'dark force' is quite a misnomer*, because 'dark' here is only figurative, and signifies the way that this particular influence consistently cultivates confusion and failure to see actually what is really there - and also this influence is not a 'force' in any helpful sense. This troublesome influence encourages very many people, by a wide range of means (especially fear, and plain unawareness) to deny its very existence, while for other people it cultivates all manner of distorted notions of its true nature - creating illusory manifestations of entities, beings or 'spirits' within their mindspace. People thus (if they are really bold!) then attempt to battle in one way or another against those illusions, completely unaware that those are actually just 'paper tigers', and that by doing that they are actually reinforcing the troublesome influence that is creating those illusions."

Even to the point of a "stigmata" event

You can lead a horse...

One day, when (at the individual level) enticement to actually taste the water occurs, perhaps a physical safe place (not just a virtual safe place like Avalon) could be built somewhere on earth and those who truly seek help could physically go to such a place and perhaps they could experience relief from their problems, even from the attacks from beyond into one's physical world experience... that was the end goal of my vision... the solution I was heading towards.

I am beginning to agree with Bill's assertion about generations, sadly.

Chester

[wynderer]

the torture of the babies & children probably doesn't feel illusory to them

[justoneman]

Posted by wynderer (here)
i'll be checking this thread to see what solutions y'all come up with to stop babies & little children from being kidnapped for use in torture/murder ritual sacrifices

esp the babies who are conceived, carried, & born w/the intention of sacrificing them soon after they are born

Just imagine one safe place on earth where someone who has been caught up in any form in satanic ritual abuse could go and be safe. That the purpose of this place is first and foremost for their safety.

That then the place grows.

That then more places with the same purpose are built.

In time more and more safe places are built and less and less victims occur.

In time, those who have been born into families that practice satanic ritual abuse may enter these centers.

That in time more and more practitioners obtain healing from whatever wound within them has them involved.

That in time, fewer and fewer are involved in this practice at any level in our physical world existence.

And in time those beings, real or not, which supposedly play a role in perpetuating this practice may just move on or learn to eat love.

In either case, I would wish them well.

Chester

[wynderer]

how can a little child, kept in a cage or tied up somewhere until the 'sacrifice' -- how can they get to the safe place you are proposing? -- the satanists choose pure souls for their sacrifices, so we can assume that all the babies & children go to a safe place when they are free of the 3D body

[justoneman]

Posted by wynderer (here)
the torture of the babies & children probably doesn't feel illusory to them

Precisely, nor does all the things that have "happened" to you and nor has all the things that has "happened" to me. I just found solution as how to end these types of things "happening" to me.

I could even see how this solution could be offered to others where life keeps "happening" to them.

Some folks may actually be interested in solution whereas some prefer to hang out in the realms of the problem. That was the clear message I received during my vacation.

I suggest that you, wynderer, consider allowing those who wish to seek resolution the opportunity to obtain it... even here on the Avalon forum. You do not have to resolve your own issues.... you can continue to post your experiences all you want. This is the point of the safe place, but please, allow those who seek solution a safe place as well. In addition, please, allow those who have found solution a safe place to share about how that solution was achieved.

This happens to be the purpose of this thread.

All the best!
Chester