Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

[rmauersr]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by starchild111 (here)
Oh darn, does this mean we have to wait 2 more years? I was much more hoping for a 2012 event to start getting our planet back to its good health.

Have you ever noticed that the dramatic events predicted keep getting pushed into the future?

The possibility occurred to me that some of these disaster scenarios might be thoughts planted to keep the energy of fear flowing. Dates come and go without manifestation of predicted events.

Another possibility. Non-physical entities who cannot create on their own may be influencing humans who can create with thought. Thereby using us to create situations that they want.

Of all the disaster scenarios I've heard there is only one that I feel is definite and unavoidable. Economic collapse.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Craig (here)
Question, if this is true and NASA received this information, why send a ship to Mars?

There are hundreds (if not thousands) of different programs, projects and departments, which are heavily compartmentalized and keep secrets not only from us but from each other.

For example, there certainly exists a secret space program utilizing very advanced technology -- but very few people, (if any!) even in NASA will know about it.

If coded signals were received by a project within SARA, and the decision was made to keep it all under wraps, most of the people in SARA itself would not know. Most in NASA would not know. Obama and many of his political advisors may not know. Only those very senior in military intelligence are likely to be in the loop -- while key preparations are made and critical decisions are evaluated.

Having said that, I'm still concerned with the 331 day delay (would we really sit tight and wait 331 days before asking our next question?) -- and with how a workable protocol for sophisticated communications was established given that there could (apparently) only have been between 10 and 20 opportunities for two-way message exchange.

That's not a lot of communication when not only do you have to understand very complex messages, but prior to that establish and agree a language based on math and coded sequences that's rich enough for there to be no room for error when discussing the end of civilization(!).

[cloud9]

Well, I just need to say that this information era is quite a challenge and it's really all about our minds...

I don't know and I don't want to know about mental parasites and the like, it's just too complex and unpleasant but it seems very clear to me that we are being played in such a variety of ways that if we were to believe everything we read or find on the internet without a strong mind and character, it would be easy to go insane. Has anyone counted how many terrible threats are we dealing with? Not just the real physical ones but the possible or future ones, it goes from Nibiru and invading ETS, asteroids, second sun, sun going supernova, EMS, weather, etc. etc. The list is pretty long as you all know.

Is there a chance this exchange of information of this kind is of benefit to somebody or some group? Or is it that we are so bored, not enough entertained with our gadgets and movies that even more is needed? I remember dear Bob Dean talking about Nibiru very seriously and he even called Bill and Kerry for a new interview because he had new information about it. Is it than I took Nibiru out of mi mind long ago and because of that I haven't hear anything about it? Or is it that the Nibiru scare is already a thing of the past? More or less, every two months there's a prediction about something, mostly the financial collapse of the economy but the list seems never ending.

I don't say this information is false because I don't know but many times I wonder why this madness is going on.

[rmauersr]

Posted by cloud9 (here)
I don't say this information is false because I don't know but many times I wonder why this madness is going on.

The madness may be going on to sustain fear, to feed the dark side.
Or it may be manipulation by the dark side to focus our attention on events they want to manifest but cannot. Whatever we focus on becomes greater.

[cloud9]

Yes, I absolutely believe fear is the game being played but I also believe in the shift. My problem is perhaps with the scary nature of the shift that many are trying to convey.

[gripreaper]

Since it has been postulated that these messages may be planted psy-ops, I thought I would cross pollinate this post from the Archon's thread and reintroduce Barry Trower:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...895#post536895

Although I do believe that this video in the OP is sincere, I do not know if the source is genuinely benevolent aliens or some other source. Hope this cross threading is not off topic and irrelevant to the discussion, as I don't think it is.

[Turcurulin]

I'm not buying this one.

Firstly, can anyone find anything else on this guy? I cannot with only minimal research so far. OK, he has a google plus page, but that is not evidence enough - I could make one for Santa Claus right now, if I wanted.

Secondly, he is a bit dramatic in his presentation. "[Microwaves from the sun scorching the earth is nonsense, but these Van Allen belt particles...]" Claiming that most conspiracy theories are nonsense is ridiculous here. He worked for NASA, right?!

Thirdly, how come the newest thing to be 'afraid-of' is always pushed just a couple of years in front of the present day? 2 years ago it was 11/11/11, last year (and earlier) it was 12/21/2012, this year it's 2016... and so on. If this information has been around for 16 years (ok - it's only absolutely confirmed as of 3/23 of last year, but still,) why are we just now hearing about it? This is the type of thing that has a potential for MASSIVE leakage. It feels to me that someone would have brought this to the table by now. Members of our alternative community have a knack for jumping all over things like this and bringing them to light immediately.

Fourthly, receiving messages from ET is nothing new. Does anyone remember this? -



MUCH more convincing, IMHO.

Fifthly, the editing job on the video feels suspicious to me...

I'm not saying that the ideas that he's conveying aren't a possibility. I just feel that what he is saying is not true.

[frozen alchemy]

I feel he believes what he's saying, but so did all the millions of people down through the ages who 'believed' in one religion or another. Sincerity doesn't translate to truth.

And why in the world would a NASA physicist need 'help' posting a Youtube video?

[Mandala]

About the percEntage of deaths and survivors, is it because 20 percent of the population will be underground in bunkers with filtered air and water, free from radiation with hydroponics and protein sources, and recycled water ?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by ED209 (here)
If he were clever, he would have at least tried to hide his identity.

But he is clever. The man in the video (whoever he is! ) is no dimwit. Why would he have willingly given more than enough information for good researchers to verify his credentials?

Posted by Selene (here)
Based only on these two photos and the man in the video, I would say they are very probably 1) the same person, 2) brothers, or 3) or father and son.

Not the same person. (Look at the ears, for a start...)

If Sal Conti and Alberto Conti are related, then fine. But that doesn't help very much!

Posted by Vitalux (here)
Bill Ryan, due to his numerous misfires, has a pretty good track record for backing duds. Therefore I don't take too seriously his stamp of approval for truth.

Not the right thread to discuss this, but please do start a new one on this topic. (I'll be interested to see your list.) Let's see how well informed you are!

It should not be too long (days, probably, if not done already) before someone with the time to do so verifies his bona fides. One obvious way to do this would be through Enrico De Luca, who uploaded the video.

James is beating up Kerry and suddenly a NASA insider is rocking the alternate media...

brings back fond memories now doesn't it...

[ED209]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by ED209 (here)
If he were clever, he would have at least tried to hide his identity.

But he is clever. The man in the video (whoever he is! ) is no dimwit. Why would he have willingly given more than enough information for good researchers to verify his credentials?

By saying that if he were clever he would have tried to conceal his identity, I meant that by making his such a public statement, that he probably would lose access to his primary source of information.

Also, it wasn't that he willingly gave credential information, which you are right, he should do, but it was the way that he dwelled on it for so long it seemed offish to me...outside of how most people generally behave. To me, it made me suspect that he was abusing his credentials by delivering a possibly untrue message. That is just me making assumptions based on generalities, he may be different, especially since being a NASA mathematician in and of itself would make him somewhat extraordinary. But I just got a not-right dishonest feeling from subtle things that he did and said.

[Paul]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
And why in the world would a NASA physicist need 'help' posting a Youtube video?

None of us are familiar with all technologies, even all common technologies, even the brightest.

[Tangri]

Posted by meat suit (here)
the video guys body language and narration style tells me that this is an actor.

Raf, what say you?

meat

Meat suit,
You seems a behavioral psychologist . Which one did you chose first, avatar Picture or name?

[airaspect]

He doesn't seem too emotional about the subject and he covers it up with some face mimics. His intonation follows the same, repeating pattern, like he's reciting a poem. The speech is well prepared, there are almost no pauses and there's no reaching to memories on his side that i can notice.

Scientists with quite a few years of work behind them also tend to think automatically in scientific language and it's rather hard for them to avoid using it. The speaker seemed more like an educated layman to me.

That being said, the message itself may contain some truth, who knows.

[K626]

To put that into perspective Nasa consider 50km up and ESA consider 80km up as 'space'.

love

K

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Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Craig (here)
Question, if this is true and NASA received this information, why send a ship to Mars?

There are hundreds (if not thousands) of different programs, projects and departments, which are heavily compartmentalized and keep secrets not only from us but from each other.

For example, there certainly exists a secret space program utilizing very advanced technology -- but very few people, (if any!) even in NASA will know about it.

If coded signals were received by a project within SARA, and the decision was made to keep it all under wraps, most of the people in SARA itself would not know. Most in NASA would not know. Obama and many of his political advisors may not know. Only those very senior in military intelligence are likely to be in the loop -- while key preparations are made and critical decisions are evaluated.

Having said that, I'm still concerned with the 331 day delay (would we really sit tight and wait 331 days before asking our next question?) -- and with how a workable protocol for sophisticated communications was established given that there could (apparently) only have been between 10 and 20 opportunities for two-way message exchange.

That's not a lot of communication when not only do you have to understand very complex messages, but prior to that establish and agree a language based on math and coded sequences that's rich enough for there to be no room for error when discussing the end of civilization(!).

As you probably know 331 is a masonic code.

love

K

[bogeyman]

If you were told you truth or came cross the truth would you recognize it? It is mainly conjecture on this thread, fact and evidence is what is needed to have a solid base. There has been so many stories, leaks etc, that it is a confusion of fact, fiction and half truths and guess work. Forget about opinions, beliefs, get the facts, get a proof or a paper trail at least to start with.

[AMystic3434]

first it was 2012, then I heard it was 2011, now its 2016. I dont buy it for a second. The conspiracy theorists just want to establish a new date so they can keep getting money from you. I think I figured out what they do. They always come up with something new and people buy it like a fish eating a worm on a hook. Im thinking that its all just for entertainment and you cant take all this stuff about aliens and pole shifts and illuminati as real. Its just entertainment. Its very easy to play with peoples minds, or for people to let there minds be manipulated. I wouldnt believe it. Did you ever concider that the government is building underground bases just in case of a nuclear war so they can operate still in case the surface is wiped out. That is more of a plausable explanation as opposed to a pole shift. Real scientists say that a pole shift can happen but wont happen for hundreds of years, im not talking about some ameture scientist that works as an IT specialist during his day job. I think it makes scence to say that if any of these conspiracys were true that a real reporter would eventually get it out through some main stream media. Im not talking about some blogger who thinks he has it all figured out and comes up with some dillusional story. Im talking about a real reporter, if any of this was true they would get it out to the main stream. After all, not all main stream is controlled by the "illuminati".

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Posted by Paul (here)
The inner Van Allen radiation belt, the one closest to the surface of earth, has mostly alpha radiation (protons.) Dr. Sal says as much in the above video.

However when I look up what sort of shielding is required to protect my body from alpha radiation, I read that a single sheet of paper is sufficient. Even my skin is sufficient, so long as I don't breath in alpha emitting radioactively decaying material into my lungs or ingest it into my digestive tract.

This suggests to me that if the inner Van Allen radiation belt descends to earth's surface (Northern Lights -- everywhere! ?), it's not a serious risk so long as one can stay in doors and has food and water for the, say, two months he expected this to be at its worst. That seems doable, on an individual basis. What might not be so doable is getting most of humanity through this, or feeding us all after it is over, if all we have left to eat is what we can grow from stored seeds on barren ground.

I would have guessed further however that our atmosphere would protect us and even outdoor plants and animals would mostly survive, except perhaps those at very high elevations or those already of rather marginal health.

In sum, I'm suspending judgment on this for three reasons:

• were we told this by knowledgeable aliens communicating to NASA,
• will earth's magnetic poles rapidly flip causing the Van Allen radiation belts descend to earth's surface, and
• would that really be an extinction level event.

Some reasonably knowledgeable in astrophysics and the biological affects of alpha radiation should reasonably be able to answer at least my third reason.

Hi Paul, I thought the Van Allen belt was one of the main reasons that astronauts have to have a lead shielded compartment on their space crafts? I would have thought that if their skin was enough to protect them, that NASA could save a few quid!

I don't think the radiation would be our biggest problem either. The alleged NASA scientist states that 70-80% of the plant life on Earth will be killed off, including all life that lives near the surface of the oceans. Much of the Earth's breathable oxygen (in fact half) is produced by the Plankton (which lives right at the surface) so with no, or very little, Oxygen being produced, and no Co2 being removed from the atmosphere, mankind will have a very tough time.

Posted by K626 (here)
Here is the flaw. If they can see the future of the planet why can't they communicate a 'heeluva' lot faster?

love

K

I would think that any sufficiently advanced civilization, could quite easily model these kind of Earth changes, which after all, are regular and cyclical in nature, especially if they are observing from a vantage point of having millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of years of Earth change data from our planet.

Posted by MorningSong (here)

I was thinking that exact same thing MorningSong, how the 'tether' incident made much more sense to me now (if this NASA info is true) the official explanation for the Tether mission never made much sense to me, perhaps it was a trail run to see if the tech was viable.

ps I don't believe that the objects seen surrounding the 'tether' footage were spacecraft either, but that's for another thread.


Hurritt

[araucaria]

Channelling for scientists. It has to get past people like Bill Ryan : not an easy matter, but worth trying, because so many people value Bill’s opinion !

331 earth days is a paradoxical number to have. The prime number is a smoke screen to hide the fact that anything in whole earth days makes no sense whatsoever. This is like Maurice Cotterell’s number-crunching on sunspot cycles. All very impressive, to x decimal places, but the two basic sun cycles used (polar and equatorial) were exact earth days (26 and 37): very, very round numbers, and terrocentric to boot. Why on earth (pun intended) would the sun be working to terran schedules, as opposed to say operating to Jupiter time or Saturn chronology???

But Cotterell was dealing with cycles of only a few thousand years. Here we are being asked to believe that a one-in-fifteen-million-years event is going to hit us next Tuesday or as near as dammit. How very convenient.

Many scientists are not all they are cracked up to be – mostly by their peers. In fact they are sometimes just cracked up, period. This guy quotes Richard Dawkins, author of ‘The God Illusion’, a grave mistake in my view, and the next thing he is saying is his own version of that selfsame god illusion, in spades. He cannot have it both ways. A minimum of basic logic might have given him a bit more credibility.

Incidentally, by all accounts, Ursa Major is not a very pleasant neck of the woods for these messages to be coming from. You even read that what we see as stars up there are not stars at all but something artificial. But you don’t even want to go there (pun intended). Even their near polar location is not neutral. It would be a very handy place to be for example to trigger a planetary wobble or a magnetic pole shift in the “war on Terra” (not my pun).

Interestingly, Ursa Major in Mayan astronomy/mythology is Seven Macaw, which in John Major Jenkins reading is dislodged from its perch as a focus of attention in favour of the galactic centre. This is a rendering of the visual effect of the constellation tipping round the pole star every day, and through the precessional cycle as well.

[viking]

If we don't embrace or support the NWO, then we are all doomed, me thinks...!

Hmmmmm ....

viking