Was George Green involved in stealing Billy Meier starship pictures?

[truth4me]

I ran into an article where it claimed that George Green was a CIA plant and also stated that Green had stolen $300.000.00 in gold coins from something called the Phoenix Institute plus was involved in stealing documents and starship photo's from Billy Meier to bury them from the public view. This information arose from someone who had listened to Green on a ProjectCamelot interview and ask the question on how was George Green involved with the Phoenix Journals. I have listened to Green a number of times and I do believe him when he states that starships are surrounding the Earth at this time. As far as the other stuff I do not know. Here is a link to the above information.

fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/hello_central/news.php?q=1211379721

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by truth4me (here)
I ran into an article where it claimed that George Green was a CIA plant and also stated that Green had stolen $300.000.00 in gold coins from something called the Phoenix Institute plus was involved in stealing documents and starship photo's from Billy Meier to bury them from the public view. This information arose from someone who had listened to Green on a ProjectCamelot interview and ask the question on how was George Green involved with the Phoenix Journals. I have listened to Green a number of times and I do believe him when he states that starships are surrounding the Earth at this time. As far as the other stuff I do not know. Here is a link to the above information.

fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/hello_central/news.php?q=1211379721

All false. I know George personally, and count him as a friend. Bellringer is (for some reason) out to smear George, and has been for some time.

[viking]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by truth4me (here)
I ran into an article where it claimed that George Green was a CIA plant and also stated that Green had stolen $300.000.00 in gold coins from something called the Phoenix Institute plus was involved in stealing documents and starship photo's from Billy Meier to bury them from the public view. This information arose from someone who had listened to Green on a ProjectCamelot interview and ask the question on how was George Green involved with the Phoenix Journals. I have listened to Green a number of times and I do believe him when he states that starships are surrounding the Earth at this time. As far as the other stuff I do not know. Here is a link to the above information.

fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/hello_central/news.php?q=1211379721

All false. I know George personally, and count him as a friend. Bellringer is (for some reason) out to smear George, and has been for some time.

I spoke to Patrick Bellringer about this as well...I also spoke to Ron Kirzinger who runs the Phoenix Source Distributers (they are not the best of pals) ...His story was almost the same as Patrick had stated...not saying this is true but one thing I ask myself is, where did George get all those gold coins..I suppose its none of my business...

Hey great idea why don't we get George to express himself here (thread) Bill. It wouldn't be too difficult as you know him personally, and we could could put rumours to rest.

ps...I have read all his Paradigm series books and found them awesome...

viking

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by truth4me (here)
I ran into an article where it claimed that George Green was a CIA plant and also stated that Green had stolen $300.000.00 in gold coins from something called the Phoenix Institute plus was involved in stealing documents and starship photo's from Billy Meier to bury them from the public view. This information arose from someone who had listened to Green on a ProjectCamelot interview and ask the question on how was George Green involved with the Phoenix Journals. I have listened to Green a number of times and I do believe him when he states that starships are surrounding the Earth at this time. As far as the other stuff I do not know. Here is a link to the above information.

http://fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/...p?q=1211379721

All false. I know George personally, and count him as a friend. Bellringer is (for some reason) out to smear George, and has been for some time.

I think what works against George is his used car salesman demeanor. It alters my take if you say he is legit, but the guy just looks so happy to be in front of a camera and chatting away, that I kind of held it against him. Contrast this with Gary Mckinnon, who I felt was 100% legit just by his demeanor alone.

What is your take on Billy Meier?
I'm of the opinion he is legit and I state so here Billy Meier VS Alex Collier .
I find a lot of folks on this forum do not like Billy Meier at all, and I think it has to do with how Meier's Plieadians preach accountability and reliance on self. This contrasted with Alex Collier's folks who seem to offer an intervention.

I don't think space brothers are going to save us, and Meier says as much, I think this and some of the disinfo planted by certain alphabet agencies makes Meier an unpopular person around here.

[Carmen]

George Green was the reason I joined Avalon. In the first interview with him I was impressed by his integrity and wanted to know more of what he was talking about. . I will always have a soft spot for him. First impressions kinda stick!!

[HaveBlue]

This article is from 2008 I notice. It may in fact have some validity and may be worth asking George himself about.

Because what is a fact is that George said it was his job to destroy companies before the incident in Aspen where Ted Kennedy wanted to go to bed with Georges 14 year old daughter.

George has said that he never charged a fee for doing such dirty work as it was an ego trip. It was the Aspen incident that made him wake up!
Good on him. Many I sadly believe are happy to sell out their own daughters in such a way. This "gold coin' thing if true would have been before this.

My own beautiful daughter turns 13 tomorrow and such a thought sickens me.

Note I am only commenting on the gold coins and not any Billy Meir pics. Billy according to George had been ripped off before George got there by americans and said 'go away, all americans are crooks'.

Subsequently Billy found out who George was from his pleiadian friends and sent his wife over to the hotel where George was staying and invited him back. That is Georges' story you will recall in all interviews including all Camelot ones.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
This article is from 2008 I notice. It may in fact have some validity and may be worth asking George himself about.

Because what is a fact is that George said it was his job to destroy companies before the incident in Aspen where Ted Kennedy wanted to go to bed with Georges 14 year old daughter.

George has said that he never charged a fee for doing such dirty work as it was an ego trip. It was the Aspen incident that made him wake up!
Good on him. Many I sadly believe are happy to sell out their own daughters in such a way. This "gold coin' thing if true would have been before this.

My own beautiful daughter turns 13 tomorrow and such a thought sickens me.

Note I am only commenting on the gold coins and not any Billy Meir pics. Billy according to George had been ripped off before George got there by americans and said 'go away, all americans are crooks'.

Subsequently Billy found out who George was from his pleiadian friends and sent his wife over to the hotel where George was staying and invited him back. That is Georges' story you will recall in all interviews including all Camelot ones.

Our Camelot interview with George (also the first time we'd met him) was in April 2008. George discusses the incident there, towards the end of Part 2.

Here's the excerpt from the interview transcript:

BR: I presume, that you are not in a position to help us meet Billy.

GG: No - well, Billy doesn’t want to meet anybody.

BR: That’s what I thought.

GG: You’ve already met somebody -

KC: My impression.

GG: What’s his name down at... supposedly his liaison, right now.

KC: Yeah, we did.

GG: But, I don’t’ know if he’d help you or not either. You know, Billy is...

KC: No, I know Michael...

GG: Michael Horn?

KC: Yeah, I know Michael.

GG: You know, they got mad at me because I...

KC: He's tried, but we haven’t been able to...

GG: No, you know I published the Talmud of Immanuel, over there and they got all mad about that because I didn’t put the German in it. Yeah, I don’t know if you understand the original - I got the Talmud - we had a college kid translate it from that high German, Schweizerdeutsch, into English. And, my wife and I took the documents over, I mean, this is even more strange, we took the documents over here, and we immediately, I sent out a whole bunch of copies to people. One of them was to a guy named... well, he’s in California, I forgotten his name right now, right - anyway, he reprinted it and they changed some stuff around. He was channeling so called Hatonn and the information we got was - that was really good stuff - I dropped a half a million dollars and got a divorce - actually, about a million, and got a divorce over that thing, because we thought they were really connected with that group and it turned out to be a big swindle.

KC: Oh, man,

GG: Anyway, they published the Talmud, their version of it, well, my wife and Jim Deardorff worked on it for two years. Well, now we got another problem that’s stepped in - that was my ex-wife. Uh, I’d only been married a few months, just so you know, but -

KC: Ah -

GG: My ex-wife and I, we spent twenty years, running around the world, you know, playing the game, but when we met Billy over there, we kind of made agreements together. Well, what was the problem with the Talmud - that was the Teachings of Immanuel [or Christ], right? Well, where did Christ go, and where is he now? Well, we became in contact. Now, that stops the whole story again, doesn’t it? [long pause]

KC: You mean -

GG: With the Christ Being, Immanuel, who calls himself Sunanda right now. Then we got the information on the translation of the Talmud, so then we did it and said, “Why do we want to put the German down?” Because Billy wasn’t responsible for that! That was the Greek Priest, Rashid, who did the translation from Aramaic to Schweizerdeutsch. There wasn’t any copyright, it wasn’t Billy’s anyway, in the first place.

KC: Sure.

GG: So, what we did, is then - we were working on doing the translation - then we were in contact directly with the Christ Being energy. It’s kind of like what I did with Nostradamus material with Dolores Cannon - you’re familiar with her.

KC: Well, yeah, absolutely. I didn’t know you did that.

GG: I - Dolores Cannon couldn’t talk to anybody. She was stutterer all - ll - ll the time, and she sent me the manuscript. I so read the manuscript and I told Desiree’, I says, “You know, this is pretty interesting, let’s check it out.” So, we made a contract. We published Dolores Cannon’s first book, Conversations with Nostradamus, Volume 1, Volume 2.

KC: Ah -

GG: I then set it up because we had a place in Beverly Hills, we got NBC and CBS to do our features on it. Nobody bought any books, Dolores got all bent out of shape by that because she said the books gotta be in every book store. Well, you can’t force bookstores to take the books! So she sent me, and her husband’s in a wheelchair, I don’t know if you knew that - I said, “It don’t bother.” Forget it, so, we gave her her contract back, and that’s when she started the Ozark thing, and she was into the UFO stuff, doing her hypnosis. When we were doing the Conversations With Nostradamus, at the same time they were doing the “I Am America” map and they were doing, Gordon Scallion was doing their map. I said, “Well, let’s ask Nostradamus.” ‘Cause Nostradamus “claimed”, as you know, under hypnosis to be coming through the subject at that time, if you know the story.

KC: Well, actually no, I haven’t read that book. But okay -

GG: I published it, I have it so you can have that too -

KC: I’d love to read it.

GG: Well, we looked at it. It’s Nostradamus - he was concerned about what the translations were. So, Dolores didn’t know anything about it. She went and got the book by Erica Cheetham on the quatrains. What they did, there was her subject who was in a trance. They would read them the quatrain and the translation and then Nostradamus would clear it up. He said, “I want to warn you for what’s coming down now.” This is all before we come into ball with Billy Meier, just so you know. So anyway, I sat down with that and said, “Okay, this is great. Now tell me what the United States is like.” That’s when she did a map and I said, “That’s not exactly the same way.” Then we did another one and did another one. We had three different maps of what the United States is going to look like, coming from Dolores.

KC: Right.

GG: Then she gave me another one, Jesus and the Essenes, the book, you heard about that one, right?

BR: I've read that. Interesting book.

GG: Well, I know, except for - we were in contact with the guy called Immanuel at that time, directly. He said, “I never joined the Essenes, I went to see what they were like, but I wasn't a member of their group. I was investigating.” So I reported that back to Dolores again, I says, “We can’t publish that because it doesn’t have the truth in it.” Now, we’re directly with, this is out of, out of whack if you want to look at it. We’re in directly in contact with the Christ being, if you call him Jesus or Immanuel, explaining to us what had happened at that time, he says hey, I was just like you guys running over to the Mormons to check out what’s going on. I didn’t join them....

KC: Right.

GG: So, he didn’t become an Essene.

KC: Okay, that’s, that’s great information.

GG: Well, I’m just sharing it but it’s part of the drama that we have - ‘cause I’m living all of a sudden - we’re involved with the Christ Being and His story, trying to His information for, and we made the agreement again to publish the information. Well, some of that came from Billy, right? But the Talmud came from Rashid, of documents that were in the resin jar. So, that’s where Billy got mad at me because we published another version! He wanted his stamp on it, what he has. Well, I’m in direct contact with the Being. Now what do you do?

KC: And, where there’s also a controversy around that, because Billy was also - said that he was ah, Jesus at some point.

GG: No, he wasn’t.

KC: And, I didn’t think he was, either.

GG: No, no. He was not.

KC: That’s something that he...

GG: You see, that’s where some of his thing is - where the ego steps in and makes the discernment on the stuff, and my contact, we ended up publishing another book, and it’s called Spiritual Laws and Lessons. And, what the Christ Being wanted to do, was have the messages, or the laws, and he spelled out a whole page or two pages of information, so there would be no... he says no mistakes on what the rulebook is on the physical dimension.

KC: Hmm

GG: Though, it’s fascinating to read. However, the divorce, and all the Hatonn material and all that junk – ‘cause we put up - everybody thought that - we financed the whole thing. I mean, I was blowing maybe fifty grand a month financing the project for a while. And then E.J. Ekker, they had all the people, they’re going to create a whole, they call it the, ah, Tehachapi California. They’re going to create this whole enclave and I bought into what they had too. I said, “Well, hey, I can do all of that stuff.” But then we found that he was telling people that I was on the Board of all that – of their corporation and had given them millions of dollars. And, the people came to me and said, “How do we get it back?” So, immediately we got sued and they put it in their newspaper, and basically said that I’m suing Jesus Christ - they put that as the headlines, "George Green Suing Jesus Christ". I had nothing to do with any of that stuff. Not, and they didn’t tell anybody that I was directly involved with that, ‘cause they couldn’t do that. We ended up publishing 60 of their books, called the Phoenix Journals.

BR: And “we” is who?

GG: My wife and I. Desiree and I.

KC: And, but basically you published them but, but you know that they’re not - they’re basically...

GG: Well, let me tell you what happened. Walter Russell, who had their home studies course and all kinds of stuff, had books, The Secret of Life, Atomic Suicide, and they were in contact with a group of extraterrestrials, too. Their information was put into the Phoenix Journals, she claimed that she channeled the information and put down on the books. Of course, I just published the books.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: We bought into it and said, that’s real.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: Then I was sued by the University of Science for copyright infringement.

KC: [laughs] So she copied it from there?

GG: But wait a minute, Let me tell you now the story opened up the Pandora’s Box. My wife says, “Wait a minute, this isn’t right.” Because, it was word for word, there wasn’t any changes in it or anything, it was word for word. We’re not going to do this - so we investigated it and some of the people around us, we gave them a job: to look at where all the books came from. It turned out, every one of them came from someplace else.

KC: Wow.

GG: So, except for two - the two that we did ourselves directly from the guidance from above. So, two of the Phoenix Journals, they’re okay, the rest of them, it’s not that they’re not truth in them, because they were taken from other information, this Hatonn character at that time, claimed - and we’re not sure, that’s kind of like J.Z. Knight, you know, Ramtha.

KC: Yeah.

GG: You can put information in, but not necessarily... is it all J.Z. or is it all Ramtha? You have to discern the truth as you come by it.

KC: Always.

GG: So when I get - when we got through this whole thing, E.J. and Doris, they moved to the Philippines so they knew they couldn’t be extradited - because everybody’s trying to get their money back and they sued us and every time we went someplace, we could go out for lunch, they’d sue my wife, or serve her to come in for depositions. And, have you been to a deposition? That’s like mind rape.

KC: Oh...

GG: and the ETs told me, keep her away from that because it’ll break everything up. Well it finally did. She just, I mean, she’d come home and cry for a couple days after a deposition - well, we never gave - we always got dismissed – ‘cause it was just allegations, and they learned how the court system worked so well that they just filed suits against you with non-existent corporations.

KC: Huh.

GG: And then you have to answer the suit because it’s part of their game that they had. And then they had their newspaper, the Phoenix Journals, you know, the Phoenix Express or whatever they called the thing - anyway, they kept - they would put all of the lawsuits against us, remember the conflict resolution you have to have an enemy out here like we have to have bin Laden, I mean, we got to have somebody - I mean ultimately we’re going to have the whole planet put together against a common enemy from space.

KC: Oh right.

GG: That’s under the Majestic Twelve program.

KC: Do you believe there’s going to be a hologram graphic representation of an invasion...

GG: I don’t know, it’s whatever they want to create - I’m saying at some point they got to get everybody united, using the technology off alien spacecraft.

KC: Always an enemy without.

GG: Exactly, well, either that, or we create one.

KC: Right.

GG: Whether it’s a hologram or whether it’s not, who cares?

KC: Yeah.

GG: We know what their agenda is.

KC: Sure.

GG: One of my agenda is right now, are they going to pull us off this weekend, right?

BR: Yeah.

GG: You know, this story’s so incredible because like I say, you ask me whether - it turns out that the Christ Being has been monitoring me before, because some of the same messages I got when I met Desiree’ - because there was some question at that time, you know - what was going on, that I got - I better do that - I better awaken her for her job. And she did her job. [pause]. Well, I’m not going to go into what it was -

KC: Okay.

GG:...but she has done it, she has accomplished what she’s supposed to do.

KC: I see

GG: And so, you know, we all have something we have to do. She has got hers done now. And, she’ll, she’ll always be in contact. So, I’m not worried about it.

KC: Uh huh.

GG: But the messages then become more, as I said, we were concerned about the Hatonn character. Yes there is a Hatonn and when we confronted that Hatonn from another source, the answer was, there are lessons of discernment - then I was like you, but all these people that put all this money and everything else in - there’s lessons of discernment for everybody. So, not only did we get it, I got it in spades, right?

KC: Sure

GG: Then, of course, then my wife separated - we’re all up - I’m in Vegas, I’m going back playing Monopoly, you know, building buildings and stuff in Vegas, then the ETs reminded me of my agreement, right? Oh - now I’m back - but I was - I’m a one man show at that point.

KC: Uh huh, right.

GG: I can’t, they can’t, you know, I know what the court system is, they’re not going to bother me ‘cause I’ve been up there so many times, both sides, I mean, I had three attorneys that I had as partners, I made them millionaires just to keep track... keep me out of problems.

[Anchor]

Posted by viking (here)
I have read all his Paradigm series books and found them awesome...

Same, George Green and the HNP were primary factors in the process that ended up with me being on this forum in the first place - apart from my take on his sincerity, I was impressed when he was distributing those books (Handbook for a new paradigm) for free. You dont see that every day in this game.

[Fred Ryan]

I don't know about George Green but Wendelle Stevens did steal predictions from Billy Meier. I saw Wendelle Stevens at a conference a few years back and asked him if he had taken the predictions. He admitted it without hesitation and actually seemed quite proud of the theft. He went on to say that most of the oredictions had come to pass. Can we, however, believe an admitted thief?

[ulli]

I met George in Costa Rica and must say I admire him for surviving his roller coaster wake-up ride.
Because of where he was in the material world the switch to other dimensions
had to be a lot more disturbing than for an average person.
Accepting those huge losses and disappointments and general chaos is not easy.
Nor is it easy to do it without stepping on someone's toes by accident.
Not everything works out as planned despite the best of intentions.
Hi, George, in case you are reading this....Glad you are thriving.