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    Default Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

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    Hi, All:

    On 1 June this year, I wrote the following on a John Kettler thread:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post499117

    The bulk of Henry Deacon's information, for instance, is unverifiable. Yet Kerry and I spent literally hundreds of hours with him and are convinced that he was sincere and well-intentioned. He was reporting, as best he could, his own personal direct hands-on experience.

    [-- snip --]

    "Information" falls into many different categories -- hence the standard agency practice of flagging intel on a band from A1 to F6 -- 'A' to 'F' being the reliability of the source, and 1 to 6 being the reliability of the information presented by that source. The two are independent. So it's possible (but less likely) to have A6 info, and also F1.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelli...ion_management

    Source Rating

    A -- Reliable : No doubt of authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency; has a history of complete reliability
    B -- Usually Reliable : Minor doubt about authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency; has a history of valid information most of the time
    C -- Fairly Reliable : Doubt of authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency but has provided valid information in the past
    D -- Not Usually Reliable : Significant doubt about authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency but has provided valid information in the past
    E -- Unreliable : Lacking in authenticity, trustworthiness, and competency; history of invalid information
    F -- Cannot Be Judged : No basis exists

    Information Content Rating

    1 -- Confirmed : Confirmed by other independent sources; logical in itself; consistent with other information on the subject
    2 -- Probably True : Not confirmed; logical in itself; consistent with other information on the subject
    3 -- Possibly True : Not confirmed; reasonably logical in itself; agrees with some other information on the subject
    4 -- Doubtfully True : Not confirmed; possible but not logical; no other information on the subject
    5 -- Improbable : Not confirmed; not logical in itself; contradicted by other information on the subject
    6 -- Cannot Be Judged : No basis exists


    Useful concepts to consider when evaluating info presented on (say) YouTube.

    *******

    The reason the intel agencies operate this way is that they have to assess a wide range of information from different sources, known and unknown.

    And that's also what we all try to do, here.

    Calling "Hoax!" and moving on to the next claim is not always what the CIA would do. They would take time to look at it rather more carefully. They have to. So should we.

    Also, regarding 'discernment' as applying a Yes/No, True/False filter that enables us to either slam the door or hold it wide open, is not what it takes either. That's way too simplistic. 'Discernment' really means to drill down and look at everything that the claim entails, in all its detail.

    For instance:

    There are a number of possible hypotheses here. Here are just two -- to illustrate the point.

    1) 'Sal Conti' is Frank Vidal, who had a few beers too many with his friends, one of whom bet him that he could pull off a clever hoax just for the h*** of it. The information Frank presented is totally invented and 100% without substance.
    Alternatively...
    2) As Frank lives in Houston, he's indirectly connected via colleagues with NASA. They wanted to release some information about coming earth changes (disinformation, actually, as some of it is false: the 331 days, and the ET communications) -- so the script, which was written for him by a NASA astrophysicist, laced it with plausible deniability.

    Frank, as a jobbing actor, is short of cash, and was paid $25,000 to pull his stunt. He was ordered to keep absolutely silent about this if he was exposed (the transfer to his bank account has been delayed several weeks, to ensure he keeps his silence). In the meantime, the way this information has been received and processed in the alternative media is being closely monitored by the NSA.

    (There are clearly other hypotheses, too. I invite you, reading this, to submit your own.)

    Can you see why it may be important to look into this a little more carefully?

    This provides us a framework for further evaluation of the Sal Conti video. I'd propose it seems to be an E3. That's NOT an E6!

    My own personal stance: the information may be important, regardless of who presented it. As Kerry and I have both stated (and this appears to have been overlooked by many), this aligns with information we were given off-record in October 2007.

    I'm grateful that Cidersomerset has started the very valuable and interesting thread:
    Magnetic Pole Flip 530,000 Years Overdue & Happening Now?

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Happening-Now

    Even today, Mitch Battros on Earth Changes Media streamed a newsletter update entitled:
    BREAKING NEWS: We Are Witnessing a Pole Reversal "Right Now".

    Folks, this story may not yet be over.

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    I'm grateful that Cidersomerset has started the very valuable and interesting thread:
    Magnetic Pole Flip 530,000 Years Overdue & Happening Now?

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Happening-Now

    Even today, Mitch Battros on Earth Changes Media streamed a newsletter update entitled:
    BREAKING NEWS: We Are Witnessing a Pole Reversal "Right Now".

    Folks, this story may not yet be over.
    These two sources/links seem much more informative than our pal Sal

    Hope you find a connection or something valid, it'd be interesting to see what it would be.

    Post Update: Video in question.

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    Wow Bill I am so glad that you decided to state and continue this line, because I was about to say in the Dr Sal thread, that yes we sort of debunked the messenger, but as yet we did not debunk the message. Yes we all need to go deeper with the massage given, as your source with Kerry, and other sources are and have been stating the same thing along the same lines, my feeling is that this is not as yet completed to just put it aside.

    Thank you and I really hope we will find more answers

    regards
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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    Thanks for the categories, Bill - a useful tool.

    Would you agree that we might each call "Hoax!" at a different point in the same situation? This would be based on factors such as specialist knowledge, past experiences, prejudices etc.

    I think I'd be more inclined to go for E5, based on a range of other sources of information

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    Sometimes true information is leaked to unreliable sources to discredit any individuals who leak further information on that particular subject matter. Also if information has been leaked, discrediting the unreliable source with the true information, destroys all the information which has been leaked, hence all the eggs in one basket.

    The categories here are useful, but in this game there are infinite possibilities, well almost.

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    I hope you all don't mind sharing some info from Kerry at Camelot, but again its just information.


    FIRST OF ALL, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER....lol
    Caveat:  We had already been told that people are being taken off-planet in preparation for coming events and earth changes.  These are people who have their "tickets" because of their level of involvement in the NWO or secret government projects known as 'black projects'.  Or in some cases simply bankers and their families.  This is also widespread in the alternative news.
    However, the following confirmation was given to me from a trusted SOURCE who is in touch with a scientist who either attended a Bilderberg meeting 3 years ago or has a close associate who did...


    He was told that they are making preparations for going off-planet due to the incoming Brown Dwarf (and surrounding planets) also known as NEMESIS  or NIBIRU or PLANET X.  In this case the person referred to this brown dwarf as NEMESIS.  
    They said the secret space program has been preparing for 60 years... and using "warp drive technology" to make it possible to establish bases, first on the Moon and Mars and then on the MOONS OF THE OUTTER PLANETS:  specifically, moons of Jupiter, Saturn and one of the moons of URANUS.
    They have been preparing for the return of NEMESIS since then.  This object and her surrounding planets have been visible, they said, from the IRAS telescope since 1983.  It does return every 26,000 to 30,000 years and yet this pass by will be the closest ever according to this scientist.  He states that "they" at the Bilderberg meeting are very afraid because they do not have control over what it will do.  They are worried their underground bases will not provide sufficient safety during this crossing.
    This scientist would not reveal where NEMESIS is now but says it is going to impact things in a big way on and around December 21, 2012.
    They see the year 2012 as significant but NOT just because of the Mayan prophecy.
    The earth changes will get worse before they get better, I was told.  This much is obvious if the above is true.
    Additional random data:
    1.  The European Space Agency Mars "Express" Probe sent out 3 years ago took pictures of the surface and captured green foliage.  This was put out then hushed up and changed.
    2.  They discovered on their off planet bases that they need the SCHUMANN RESONANCE in order to maintain human health so they have had to build and install transmitters in all their off planet bases.
    3.  The Bilderbergs and Rothchilds control the financial system and are planning a collapse within 5-6 months of the time this was relayed to my source in March of 2012.  That would make it right around August-September of this year.


    NOTE:  I am simply passing along this information from a source because his source (this scientist) has no reason as far as we know to fabricate this information.  He is very unwilling to talk about any of it and will not discuss any of the above beyond his initial revelations to my source.  However, you cannot discount the possibility that this information is false and planted to create chaos.  


    HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS TYPE OF INFO:  There is mounting corroborating testimony with regard to Project Exodus... However even if publicly stated at a Bilderberg meeting it is still entirely possible that none of the above is true or that it is slightly or majorly twisted to create a state of fear in those that hear it.  There is always a mind control element to the dissemination of information that may eventually reach the public, in my view.  What that means is that other than adding this to other info you have received and cross-correlating it you should be wary and rely on inner discernment to 'vet' this and how it impacts you and your world.
    Because the mission of Project Camelot is, to get the truth out, I will release information as I receive it when and if it correlates with previously vetted information which lends it credence.  However, in the end, I wait until I receive inner guidance from my higher self before acting on anything or taking it as the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  
    For my part, I do think the Brown Dwarf is real and incoming based on multiple whistleblower testimony and my own intuition.  When and how close I do not know.  


    regards
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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    This thread tastes like lemon aide.
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    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    This thread tastes like lemon aide.
    Well bitter truth it may well be, but truth seekers we are on this site, all info is for assessment only, its not fear-porn, its what we have to have to come to a conclusion.

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    Thank you, ROMANWKT, I appreciate all the honest attempts to share information. The possibility of "incoming" does pop up from repeated sources. I sometimes question, however, if these are deep-seated memes in human consciousness that are used and directed to shape awareness.

    The one piece of information I would question is the "green foliage". From my limited knowledge, plants need an atmosphere, and atmosphere is created by a planet's stabile rotation around a metallic core, which creates a magnetic field. If this field is damaged or destroyed (such as happened on Mars), the atmosphere is greatly reduced? Thanks again for the information.

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    Quote Posted by ahamkara (here)
    Thank you, ROMANWKT, I appreciate all the honest attempts to share information. The possibility of "incoming" does pop up from repeated sources. I sometimes question, however, if these are deep-seated memes in human consciousness that are used and directed to shape awareness.

    The one piece of information I would question is the "green foliage". From my limited knowledge, plants need an atmosphere, and atmosphere is created by a planet's stabile rotation around a metallic core, which creates a magnetic field. If this field is damaged or destroyed (such as happened on Mars), the atmosphere is greatly reduced? Thanks again for the information.
    My understanding from many thing written about Mars, is that it does have a atmosphere and water, and I do not trust NASA with their Black and white colour version of everything that they disclose,. their information on anything is not to be trusted, they are privately owned, payed for by the US taxes.

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    Bill,

    mystery man Tolec has a history of talking about a pole shift, passing dwarf stars etc.
    I seem to recall that you were dismissing him .... even though some of the info would be inline with approved sources.
    the man has not turned out to be an actor or dis info agent so far or a channeler (as far as I know)

    whats your judgment?

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    Mars is too small hence does not have enough gravity to hold a proper atmosphere or magnetic field to shield it (hence not enough Hydrogen and Oxygen). That's it in simple terms.

    It might have had a denser atmosphere in the past however as the signs of flowing water shows (would have had to be warmer). It's either lost it's atmosphere over time or the magnetic field was stronger in the past despite the smaller core. The jury is still out on the various concepts.

    I suspect however that Mars is more hospitable than is let on to us.

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

    O.K., well, I'm not about to start "seeing" things through the eyes of alphabet soup spooks, even if their method of discernment is logical to the 5 senses. Which it indeed is.

    My only real exposure to this subject is watching the video, so for what it's worth, here's my take. If I were to just happen upon that video by chance on Youtube, for starters I never would have made it to the end. Then, as I was clicking to find something else, I would be rolling my eyes and thinking: "REALLY?"

    That goes for both messenger and message. One man's opinion.

    Post Edit: At best, I would consider it "channeled material" for the more scientific minded.

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    Yes, I too believe Mars to be more friendly to life than is let on. Perhaps I misunderstood, I thought that the green foliage had been detected on the incoming dwarf plant, which seemed highly unlikely.

    While watching a Nova special on Mars, they gave clear evidence that water vapor in the form o ice exists idirectly below the surface in the soil of Mars. The published current research assumes a much denser atmosphere on Mars in the past, devastated by the reduction in the magnetic field (a hit by an incoming object is one theory). I am still unclear as to the link between magnetism and atmosphere - something to do with shielding from solar winds, I think? Anyway, I don't think gravity is the only factor, but I could be wrong.

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    Default Re: Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

    lemonade without sweetener...

    My personal opinion...
    There appears to be many wholes to fill here, my first instinct was that the Actor here is full of BS.
    However he was using real info, mixed with bad info and then dishing it up with style... The intention of such a move is what stuck out most for me.
    I feel the real info is going to become more important and may need to be recognized. If there truly is a move to distract the alternative media than there may be other info that has yet to surface that is on the level, or crosses over somehow.
    Carry on ~

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    PA has a lot of viable info available and all one must do is seperate the wheat from the shaft. Harvest the dots and if verfiable then intensify dot with color and the picture becomes clearer. Analysis can predict outcome (future events) using a viable system of control. Dorian Sheanon's red x theory is the better one of many. One must isolate the variables! IMHO

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    Hey have you not yet seen this article from Mel Fabregas about the Dr Sal video??

    Tuesday, August 14, 2012

    Is Dr. Salvatore Conti (Dr. Sal) Dr. Frank Vidal (DDS), a dentist in Houston? You decide.

    http://veritasradio.blogspot.com/201...-dr-frank.html

    Much love!
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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    At best, I would consider it "channeled material" for the more scientific minded.

    Cheers,
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    Guess we will just have to wait until the summer/fall of 2016 to see if there is something to this; when, according to Sal, the poles will move exactly 124.72 degrees (exactly 70% of the total reversal) in 66 days, and according to Sal this will occur exactly between the dates of 6-14-2016 thru 8-19-2016, which at that time or soon after everything will start to deteriorate and then eventually die....unless, according to Sal, we all unite and drop all the silly religious dogmas and work together and use the power of our minds to come up with a solution.

    If you want answers about this Fred and can't get a hold of Sal, email Drake, who knows what's really going on and who has actually forgotten more than Sal will ever know. I bet Drake can even explain why it took Sal 331 days to get a response from ET.....
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    I’m an exhausted, cranky cynic. I’ve watched the Dr. Sal vid 2 1/2 times.

    My thought was when I heard Sal’s phrase - the “2016 Tragedy” - I thought was “Oh great! more of the same old, same old.”

    This news may even put some people over the edge, and do themselves in sooner. Or it’s enough time for the military to feed their propaganda to the “melted-heads” to sign up for war, figuring their going to die any way so let’s all go out in glory. All ways for the ptw to to decrease the population.

    Sal at 23:26 - 23:42 - His solution is that “6 billion people come together for one common goal....” Speaking in practical terms, “It ain’t gonna happen.” It’s another diversion to keep us looking outward and away rather than inward.

    There’s good news. It tells me that the ptw are running out of time, and are scared that we will awaken to who we really are. So I’m bracing for more “garbage in, garbage out” productions.

    Disclaimer: I’m not discounting there are great changes coming. But I’m choosing to go down with Mother Earth herself, and not by the ptw. Actually, my plan is to ride it out along with Mother Earth to you know where...

    Please pass the popcorn.

    PS "I also, thank you, ROMANWKT, I appreciate you sharing the information."

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    Quote Posted by Kimberley (here)
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    Hey have you not yet seen this article from Mel Fabregas about the Dr Sal video??

    Tuesday, August 14, 2012

    Is Dr. Salvatore Conti (Dr. Sal) Dr. Frank Vidal (DDS), a dentist in Houston? You decide.

    http://veritasradio.blogspot.com/201...-dr-frank.html

    Much love! :grouphug;
    Thanks, Kimberley. I say different eyebrows, eye lids, and nose for starters.

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