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    Default Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    this 2004 article is just the kind of independent reporting that we here applaud and support.

    this thorough analysis of the 911 pentagon destruction shows images
    and evidence that are new to me.

    eyewitness testimony attests that is was a plane.

    'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over.
    Everybody was running away in different directions.
    It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance.
    It hit some lampposts on the way in.'


    let you computer read this to you as you review the photo illustrations.

    what say you, after reviewing this material?
    airliner or missile?

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Watch this and get the full picture.


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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    been there. done that...
    did you review the posted material?
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    The 9th anniversary of this thing approacheth, and I am not much heartened.

    In the grand scheme of history, 9/11 falls somewhere between a petty shoplifting crime, and (of course) the assasination of Arch-Duke Ferdinand (See also: Gulf of Tonkin).

    It is what happened because of it that is the real crime that continues unabated, to this day.
    • The Constitution was shredded while people watched on TV.
    • The US pushed towards bankruptcy.
    • Over a million people have been murdered for no reason whatsoever.
    • 5 million are now homeless.
    • As you read this, there are people in a small building outside Las Vegas, Nevada operating remote control airplanes who are killing women, children, and the occasional terrorist at a ratio of 700:5 (that was the official "score" in 2009)
    No amount of "truth" will ever change what happened on 9/11. Ever.
    No one will ever see a jail cell over it, either (as there is no political party in this country "outside" of the crime).

    But everything I listed above can be stopped. Can be changed. How I wish this could receive even 1/10th the attention.

    S'cuze the rant.. carry on,
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    fredkc,
    did you review the posted analysis?
    let's focus on the 911 pentagon destruction.
    what hit the building?

    and besides, when did the 'truth' stop mattering?
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    For me, it's a matter of perspective, and as I said "No one will ever see a jail cell over it". Ever.

    By perspective I mean,
    If I start putting bullet holes in people, because I claim their relative stole my wallet....

    How much time spent on whether my wallet was stolen (while I continue shooting people, of course), is appropriate ?

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    fred,

    be bold, review the post
    and then expressive your perspective.
    thank you.
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)
    fred,

    be bold, review the post
    and then expressive your perspective.
    thank you.
    I think Fred's point is no matter how it happened, it happened. And should focus on the things that we need to change and can change.

    Secondly, I'm not sure how much interest you'll get from the people here to hop over to ATS.

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    Quote Posted by yaya551 (here)
    I'm not sure how much interest you'll get from the people here to hop over to ATS.
    you go where the information and investigation is, seeking reality...

    there have been plenty of ATS links here.
    in some ways, I see ATS as a sister site to PA. both trying to figure things out. yes?

    not to twist this thread, but I just don't get the attitude that 'it doesn't matter what really happened.'
    truth is truth, no matter how disturbing or unsettling.

    please review the post and let us know what you find.
    thanks. jimmer
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote what say you, after reviewing this material?
    airliner or missile?
    Read the entire post (someone get yaya some smelling salts)
    My decision: Airliner.

    Now, about those people we're murdering on a daily basis....
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    you are the man, fred.
    thank you.

    ok, now that that's settled, what about all those people?
    better yet, start a separate thread and we'll all chime in.
    I do agree, lots of what's going on is meant to be a diversion.

    back to the pentagon now...
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by Fredkc (here)
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    Now, about those people we're murdering on a daily basis....
    Fred
    Yep. we can argue technical details but we can judge the consequences. Two wars and tens of thousands of people killed in the name of Empire, not to mention other smaller skirmishes in other countries. Nothing solved, just more pain and suffering, and yet even more people support the pyramid. Quite a PR success for PTB's.

    I say "staged hollywodish affair not a crash" though. Same with Towers impacts. Great balls of fire from planes designed not to blow up like firecrackers or cars in action movies.

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    I say "staged hollywodish affair not a crash" though. Same with Towers impacts. Great balls of fire from planes designed not to blow up like firecrackers or cars in action movies.
    hmm.
    a writer I liked was on that flight.
    she doesn't write anymore.

    from things I've read, the passengers and crew were redirected,
    to make way from the missile.
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Just wondering here: How do you know the "she" was actually on the plane, or whatever it was, that hit the towers?
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    "How do you know the "she" was actually on the plane..."

    her husband is now a well known widower.

    Quote Posted by HORIZONS (here)
    or whatever it was, that hit the towers?
    did you review the posting, horizons?
    it's long, but the guy who put it together did some excellent digging.
    it's all about the specific pentagon incident and nothing to do with the twin towers.
    there's lots of theories about the entire event, but this thread is about what went on
    at the pentagon. plane or missile?
    life is an attitude.

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)
    "How do you know the "she" was actually on the plane..."

    her husband is now a well known widower.



    did you review the posting, horizons?
    it's long, but the guy who put it together did some excellent digging.
    it's all about the specific pentagon incident and nothing to do with the twin towers.
    there's lots of theories about the entire event, but this thread is about what went on
    at the pentagon. plane or missile?

    Just to be objective here - A widower he may be, but that is not proof "she" was on the plane that hit the towers/pentagon or crashed into the ground. If it was all a set up we don't, and never will, know what happened to all the people that boarded those planes that day. You are assuming she was on the plane - because she boarded a flight - that was reported to have hit the towers/pentagon, but in fact may have been diverted by powers unknown to us and something else hit the towers/pentagon and was made to look like it was her plane. I am sure we will never know what exactly happened that day - all we can do is speculate. There is not any video nor photographs that can be trusted as absolute evidence for the 911 event.

    I have not looked at your vid yet, but I will, and when I do I'll let you know. Actually, the video that I would like to see is the one from the gas station/ convenience store or whatever it was that was reported to have filmed the pentagon event, but was confiscated immediately afterwards and has never been allowed into the public domain. That vid would have some answers.
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)

    what say you, after reviewing this material?
    airliner or missile?

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
    Missile.
    As that is what I have personally concluded a while ago and reading the 6 year old thread on ATS didn't change my perception. The data put forth is quite detailed but inconclusive as it still doesn't explain where the plane tail and engines disappeared to or how a poorly trained terrorist pilot managed to hit the low target so perfectly that the entire 757 vanished inside. Sorry, the data doesn't answer some key questions and since the OP at ATS was done back in 2004 a bit more has leaked out. Check the vid below from a surveilance helicopter watching the Pentagon at the time. The video is 25 seconds and the missile/plane shoots in from the bottom left at the 23 second mark.

    Looks like a missile to me.


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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Below is a 50 min video offering a highly technical analysis presented in a way that the layman will appreciate and understand. The analysis is based on topography, obstacles, flight data, physics, and witness statements. In order to accurately determine and understand the nature of the attack, Pilots For 9/11 Truth constructed a 3D scale model of the Arlington area complete with US Geological Survey Topography, obstacles, structures and vehicles. Watch this and determine if it is possible for a 757 to navigate such a region and cause the physical damage reported at the Pentagon. Many common arguments made by those who make excuse for and support the government story are also addressed.
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Remove the wool thats covering your eyes. NO full size plane hit the Pentagon that day. Do not believe the paid voices of disinformation. Even experienced pilots have stated it was an impossiblity. You really think some amateurs could turn a 757 over 300Degrees then come in to hit the building at zero feet, not even damaging the lawn? Wake up those still blinded by the official story which is being torn to shreds each day. No airliner hit the Pentagon.

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

    AND, people conveniently forget the 3 ring security around the Pentagon, their own hi-res cameras and sensors would have picked up any incoming, ooops! forget, official story, only low-res gate security cameras available LOL
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    ok, here we go and I love you all...

    but you know, all of these arguments so far are woulda, coulda, shoulda, supported by hypothetic assumptions, reconstructed/speculated math.

    could a plane do really this? (review the ATS report)
    wasn't it a missile or something else? (from a suspect fuzzy video [cgi?]).
    maybe your writer wasn't really on the plane. (maybe she didn't really exist. but for sure, she's on a permanent vacation.)
    how could an amateur pilot do that? (maybe it was a miss, trying to hit the building center where more damage would have been caused)
    north path, south path? (I almost don't care. eyewitnesses can get it wrong, especially several years after the event. even experts can get caught up in their data)
    maybe the american airline was diverted and another plane or object did the damage? (and maybe the moon is an alien space craft. why not?)
    does all the evidence and data matchup perfectly? (probably not, but on the other hand, life doesn't always make sense either)
    maybe everything we know is wrong? (question everything, but don't lose everything in the process)

    from the onsite images in the ATS investigation, it clearly shows it was a plane not a missile.
    the images were taken shortly after the incident. could the site have been so quickly compromised and falsified?
    how do you explain all of that away? that's the argument.
    clearly, the images are authentic. yes?
    I'm open to conflicting evidence, but arguments to disprove based on speculation and even 'expert' assumptions don't hold up.
    the ATS report images don't lie.

    'the simplest explanation gets closest to the truth.'
    life is an attitude.

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