Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

[SPIRIT WOLF]

exactly, you had the best psy-ops working on this and they planned it well, but not thinking equally trained would start to question and analyse

[Bomack]

Posted by wynderer (here)
our country was traumatized that day -- everyone in shock -- probably a lot of massive techno mind control going on -- & MANY subliminals on TV, w/those images of the planes going into the Towers over & over & over again

inside job, for sure

And they are STILL doing it to us this very day! What gets me is how the masses continue to buy into this stuff. Well the PTB are very experienced at manipulating peoples emotions in order to steer them whatever direction they want. For example: Naturally, people love heroes and they hate villains. So if you want to steer people's attention away from the real truth all you have to do is create a villain (where there is none) and create a hero (where there is none) and give it to the mass media, where they have a hayday with it! (LET'S ROLL!) The focus is now turned away from the truth, and everyone returns to work the next day, receives their paycheck on Friday, and they're happy! It is the same concept that a magician uses in his MAGIC ACT . . . which by the way is what the Pentagon was. IMO of course!

[Hiram]

I don't usually post on this topic, as I was deeply involved into this researching this for the last 8 years. I met William Rodriguez, the last man to exit the North Tower before it collapsed. It was coming down around him and he dove under a firetruck in order to take shelter. He was the head janitor that day, and he had the only master-key to the towers. He was running up the stairs with the firefighters opening the doors on each floor with the key...they were mysteriously locked that day.

They would run down the halls on each floor checking if people were still there...and he described he and a firefighter looking into one particular office and seeing a man staring at his computer...still working!!! They tried to get him to leave but he just waved them away saying he was too busy for this nonsense. This is the bane of our age no????

In my assessment, 911 was an attempt to create a modern myth. A terrible one at that. They were very successful with this myth, but a sizeable portion of the populace was not susceptible to this myth, and rejected and rebuked the very idea as absurd.

Flight 93.....cell phone calls? Not a chance. What about Airphone calls? That flight wasn't even equipped with air-phones according to the FBI. So who made all the calls? That is where this gets really disturbing.

The Pentagon? Well thats been covered pretty thoroughly here.

Has anyone talked about the fact that the NSA reported to the media that they received a call to them on that day stating: Angel is Next. Followed by a number of very sensitive codes? "Angel" was the code name for Air-Force one that day in 2001. Who calls the NSA???

What were the codes that were listed?

Well we know that Air-Force One took off from the florida airport like a "scalded-ape" WITHOUT fighter escort and seemed to vanish for the next few hours. reports are that all fighters were told NOT to approach Air-Force one. No one knows where it went.

Where did it show up? Barksdale air-force base in Louisiana. Whats at Barksdale? The "Nightwatch" planes. They are the planes which used to fly 24 hours a day during the coldwar, and are meant to be able to run an entire war from the air in the event of attack. The "strange white plane" over Washington DC on 911 looked alot like one of these Nightwatch planes. Bomack knows what I'm talking about.

Well where did Air-Force One go next that day? That evening it mysteriously lands at Offutt AFB in Nebraska. Head of USSSTRATCOM. Why? The control of all of America's WMDs is coordinated through here.

So here is my wacky theory: The codes that were listed in the "Angel" phone call were launch codes. Also I think an entity was calling around secure lines immitating either the president's or the VPs voice perfectly. This was a coup. The only way the heads of state could be sure that the weapons were secure, was to first go to Barksdale, and then once they were sure they wouldn't be killed when they landed, they went to Offutt.

Thats my theory.

So who did the coup?

[Fredkc]

Happy Birthday Bomack.
(mine isn't for another 60 days)

Naturally, people love heroes and they hate villains. So if you want to steer people's attention away from the real truth all you have to do is create a villain (where there is none) and create a hero (where there is none) and give it to the mass media, where they have a hay day with it!

The best movie line, re. that I've heard is from "Reign Of Fire":

"Envy the country that has heroes!!
I say pity the country that needs them."

by the way... please don't think I am blinkered in all this. And if any of the research bunch is feeling froggy, I would sure love an explanation for this one:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdXGSefI6pM

For those impatient, it begs the silly question:
What was UAL175 doing at 30,000 ft., west bound, over the Con-US a full hour after it had supposedly hit the WTC?

But, good ol' human nature has been a good instructor for me. So when I am faced with a puzzle, I tend to look long and hard there, because "People usually do what people usually do."

And, the best kinda plot is the one you keep simple, and what could be simpler than having the planes actually hit the buildings; with or without 'help'?

Fred

[Operator]

Posted by Fredkc (here)
And, the best kinda plot is the one you keep simple, and what could be simpler than having the planes actually hit the buildings; with or without 'help'?

So you still think it is even possible ? ... There is no way you could do it ... and on top of that it would only jeopardize the real operation which has still
been proven successful till this day. Even here we're at 120+ posts still seriously discussing it (Jimmer will be happy).

[viking]

New perspectives upon previously released videos proves conclusively that a missile was used to attack the Pentagon on 911.

Yeah right ... A 757!!!! Not sure it would fit in here!!!



http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1283449288

viking

[Bomack]

Posted by Hiram (here)
So here is my wacky theory: The codes that were listed in the "Angel" phone call were launch codes. Also I think an entity was calling around secure lines immitating either the president's or the VPs voice perfectly. This was a coup.

HIRAM! YIKES! (It's happened before)

[Bomack]

Posted by Fredkc (here)
Happy Birthday Bomack.
(mine isn't for another 60 days)

Thank you much Fred! I will try to be here to send wishes on yours!

What was UAL175 doing at 30,000 ft., west bound, over the Con-US a full hour after it had supposedly hit the WTC?

If I recall this was another question (fact) that the 911 commission ignored. I believe there are only two possibilities. Either this was the REAL Flight 175 OR it was a DECOY AIRCRAFT using Flight 175's Transponder Codes (Maybe to throw-off the ATC during the time of the attack?). In either case it probably wasn't meant to be released to the media and was probably another 'blip' (of many) in the plan.

And, the best kinda plot is the one you keep simple, and what could be simpler than having the planes actually hit the buildings; with or without 'help'?

The Magic Act! Everyone loves magic! And it's even way easier to perform on TV, where the majority of the world's population is going to see it. You tell everyone it was a hijacked 757, you release a video (which really doesn't show anything) and say 'There's The Plane!', you create a huge explosion and fire ball (which focuses the viewer's attention) with lots of THICK BLACK SMOKE, and WALA! As far as locals go, you wouldn't really have that many eyewitnesses because everyones focused on getting to work (hey, it's Monday morning!) and the rest could be "handled"...in an unlimited number of ways.

I believe a 757 (or similar) was used at the Pentagon, but it (or nothing else) actually struck it. It was used as a prop in a magic act!

Oh by the way. I should say this is all "theory" and just something to broaden everyones imagination. Think outside the box!

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Looking back at some of the research work done over the years, maybe there was not only that mysterious white plane circling overhead, plus the military came forward with one of their planes being in the vicinity, lets suppose a 'plane' rogue airliner or mockup of said airliner were to fly fast and low(not exactly ground level) and flew over Pentagon just as something else hit the Pentagon?. In the chaos and confusion aka smoke n mirrors this would make ideal psy-ops

[jimmer]

ok, as much as I'd like to give this up, it's hard when you see this video.
this thread was started specifically to discuss whether or not a plane hit the pentagon on 911.
to get this conversation back on track, watch this statement from an eyewitness
of the real time event.

question everything, but don't loose it all in the process.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1dd_1177892305

and this one that verifies and shows passenger bodies within the pentagon structure...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=671_1184955324

[SPIRIT WOLF]

The witness in question is a paid stoolie, I have several other vids that show witnesses to an object, not a plane, no matter how much wool is covering your eyes you are in the minority I'm afraid. try and see sense, logic here. Bodies recovered from the Pentagon only prove that yes innocents were killed. Does not mean flight passengers were among them. Please do not give me the rubbish that they have been identified by experts, experts toeing the official line. You will never convince those of us whom have researched this tirelessly since the events. For the final time, NO, A 757 DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON on September 11th 2001. You need see more research vids, not put up nonsense by the authorities.

[jimmer]

I've lots of evidence on both sides, SW.

from the video, the on-site dna matched passenger dna.

and sorry, credible witnesses with nothing to gain say it was a plane.
on-site evidence says it was a plane.

theories and speculation is not something to hang your beliefs on.

I know I'm against the PA grain with all of this, but so be it.

[Luke]

Posted by jimmer (here)
from the video, the on-site dna matched passenger dna.

Last time I checked, Dna matching was time consuming process, and even the most basic procedures of matching need week to be completed. which means there could be no on-site testing, only that samples were taken on site. Meaning you could easily switch them. As for bodies- remember, it was a building site, there were workers there!

Posted by jimmer (here)
on-site evidence says it was a plane

Haven't seen such evidence yet. All photo evidence says no object size of 757 can struck that building in such place without damaging elements like electrical spools directly on flightpath. Every plane on such height create serious wing-on-ground effect meaning grass and all elements like grass would be disturbed. they were not. meaning object was too small to generate enough of that effect i.e small wing lift.
As for witnesses, only experienced air force personnel or trained spotters are credible in judging size and speed low flying fast object. Just see amount of perspective distorted plane photos that pass for "morphing ufo's"even on this forum. Optics a b*tch .

With amount of money and time that came into creating this whole 911 psy-op they made sure that hollywood-trained "all crash generates fireball" crowd will fall for it. My guess is, there is at least one hollywood screenwriter out there, that thinks why this attack is so similar to what he was commissioned to write. Or maybe he's deep-sixed already. And there is only one company that specializes in demo-jobs such precise. Same one that was contracted to clean the site afterwards.

I'm wondering though, what they have on these people that completly shut them up. For this op planning and execution, I'd say at least 1000 people would be involved on level that they need to know what is going on (demo crews, aircraft trainig, pilots, security). It seems like every counterintelligence officer's nightmare, unless they have very solid hooks on those people or they did ole NKWD-style machineguns-behind-stormtroopers trick or both.

Coup theory is quite interesting one, especially in light of recent "pentagon hacking/armed nuke flight" incident. There is something to it.
It was obvious to me that there was economic collapse scheduled in that timeframe too, but "somehow" it was re-scheduled for 2008. Military was appeased by two wars, but then, there were 4th gen events, not 2nd gen military wanted (and wants now even more). The ball is still in play on that front, and with "wimp-in-chief", they might have their excuse to take action and steer "great country to its global destiny" no matter the costs. It's only a matter how much more mess in how little time current "political facade" will do. "Support the troops" might get whole new meaning.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Posted by jimmer (here)
I've lots of evidence on both sides, SW.

from the video, the on-site dna matched passenger dna.

and sorry, credible witnesses with nothing to gain say it was a plane.
on-site evidence says it was a plane.

theories and speculation is not something to hang your beliefs on.

I know I'm against the PA grain with all of this, but so be it.

No problem, you are entitled to believe whatever you wish. On site DNA testing matched? You do of course realise you are trusting the evidence given by those paid by the government, and seeing as the US government were complicit in the whole 9/11 tragedy you are unwittingly accepting any BS the US government wants to feed you. You obviously have not done very much research, some of us have, 8 years and a great deal of 12 hours a day for month in month out. I also have the experience of being able to state my views from a professional viewpoint, working alongside many within the darker more secretive areas. No theories or speculation. You need see evidence presented by real professionals within areas such as pilots, structural engineers, physicists, plus those whom were at the scene, a great many firefighters will attest to realtime events in New York for example. NOT paid disinfo merchants. You need to see things without the US government supplied blinkers you are wearing.

[Zook]

Hi Jimmer,

Posted by jimmer (here)
I've lots of evidence on both sides, SW.

There is lots of evidence on one side, true; but primarily mischief on the other.

from the video, the on-site dna matched passenger dna.

An assertion is not evidence.

and sorry, credible witnesses with nothing to gain say it was a plane.
on-site evidence says it was a plane.

No one is disputing that a jetliner flew near the Pentagon just before the explosive fireball on the facade. The dispute is between the dueling accounts of jetliner impact and jetliner flyover

theories and speculation is not something to hang your beliefs on.
I know I'm against the PA grain with all of this, but so be it.

It doesn't matter if you're against the PA grain, Jimmer. Copernicus was against the Ptolemian grain, but in the end he was right. Your burden is the evidential grain that is stacked against you.
Be that as it may, the documentary at the following URL does an excellent job of shredding Mike Walter's credibility:

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=HSOXBSNX

Below is a partial transcript of the interview Mike Walter gave to Bryant Gumbel:

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GUMBEL: Tell me, if you could, about the manner in which the--the plane struck the building. I ask that because, in the pictures we have seen, it appears to be a gash in the side of the Pentagon as if the plane went in vertically as opposed to horizontally. Can you tell me anything about that?

Mr. WALTER: Well, as I said, you know, there were trees obstructing my view, so I saw it as it went--and then the--then the trees, and then I saw the--the fireball and the smoke. Some people have said that the plane actually sent on its side and in that way. But I can't tell you, Bryant. I just know that what I saw was this massive fireball, a huge explosion and--and a--the thick column of smoke and then an absolute bedlam on those roads as people were trying to get away. I mean, some people were going on the emergency lanes, and they were going forward while others were trying to back up. But one woman in front of me was in a panic and waving everyone back, saying, 'Back up. Back up. They've just hit the Pentagon.' It was--it was total chaos.
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Here, Mike Walter is credible in his statements of seeing a large jetliner, after all, there is corroborating evidence of that fact. Certainly, the flyover hypothesis itself requires a large jetliner. However, he is immaterial wrt impact at The Pentagon, as evidenced by his own comments in the Bryant Gumbel interview (see above excerpt).

But here's the key thing about Walter, he is impeachable based on his contradictory accounts. On the one hand he says that his view of the impact was obstructed by trees. But in the liveleak video (see below), he impeaches himself by claiming to have seen the jetliner enter the Pentagon with its wings folded in, ostensibly to reconcile the jetliner entry into the Pentagon with the small garage-sized hole (that was described by Bob Pugh, freelance photographer who was on site in the immediate aftermath of the event). Not only is Walter contradicting his own earlier account of obstructed view, but the physics of the collision event would have forced the wings to fold *out* towards the collision object and not fold back towards the fuselage. Try ramming an open umbrella into a concrete barrier (or ram it into a soft spot on the ground, to save your wrists). The umbrella will try to flatten out, not fold back in. Also, if you look at the jetliner impacting one of the Twin Towers, there is no evidence of "folding wings". Indeed, the wings were strong enough that they sliced through the columns like a knife through butter.


"http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1dd_1177892305"

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What I saw was the actual jet going in but the wings folded back like this, so that's why when you look at the hole and say 'well it's not big enough', well that's why ... the wings were not strong enough to withstand the impact ... they folded back and that's why the jet went in and that's why the hole that you see is not as large as you might imagine in another structure.
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I think we can safely and without prejudice, color Mike Walter "immaterial and impeached". Bailiff, please help Mr. Walter into the dustbin of history.


Cheers
Uncle Zook

[Luke]

Overall interesting article on Washington's blog: Dick Cheney's Oily Dream
Part that caught my attention:

Cheney also knew 9/11 was going to happen. The government knew that terrorists could use planes as weapons -- and had even run its own drills of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, using REAL airplanes -- all before 9/11.

Wonder what sources there are for that. But military personnel training for 911 scenario using real planes makes me wonder if they learned how to prevent the gig or they were training howto make the gig.

[jimmer]

the pentagon construction (reinforced, thick concrete) is a fortress compared to the twin tower construction.

and I realize that many have invested lots of time and effort debunking the events of 911
("...8 years and a great deal of 12 hours a day for month in month out.")

oh, forget about it...
throughout this long thread, if those who are not vested in the 'pentagon' conspiracy theory can't see that a plane crashed into the building,
then no reasonable evidence will ever convince them. and the moon is made of green cheese...

the true believer will never be shaken from their beliefs, even when confronted with the brutal truth.

over and out.

[Fredkc]

...and so I come back to the elephant in the bathroom.

What happened on 9/11 was tragic.

What happened on 9/12 was worse.

Yes, I know that is off-topic. and therein lies the shame.

Fred

[Zook]

Hi Jimmer,

Posted by jimmer (here)
the pentagon construction (reinforced, thick concrete) is a fortress compared to the twin tower construction.

and I realize that many have invested lots of time and effort debunking the events of 911
("...8 years and a great deal of 12 hours a day for month in month out.")

oh, forget about it...
throughout this long thread, if those who are not vested in the 'pentagon' conspiracy theory can't see that a plane crashed into the building,
then no reasonable evidence will ever convince them. and the moon is made of green cheese...

the true believer will never be shaken from their beliefs, even when confronted with the brutal truth.

over and out.

The preponderance of the evidence (physical, circumstantial, videographic, multinodal, etc.) only supports the one conclusion, namely, that 9/11/2001 was an inside job. Each individual piece of evidence can be isolated and analyzed in itself; but in the end, it must be woven into its rightful place on the overall tapestry. If you fail to understand this, then I really do believe that, in your world, the moon is made of green cheese.

But hey, it's your own integrity that you're messing with ... and that's your privilege and right.

Cheers
Uncle Zook

[Zook]

Hi Fred,

Posted by Fredkc (here)
...and so I come back to the elephant in the bathroom.

What happened on 9/11 was tragic.

At the very least. But it was much more than that. It paved the way for what happened on 9/12; 9/13; 9/14 ...

What happened on 9/12 was worse.

9/12 would have happened differently had it not been for 9/11. That begs the question, which is worse? The cause or the effect?

Yes, I know that is off-topic. and therein lies the shame.
Fred

Start a new thread, Fred. With so many having lost so much ... and so few having gained so much ...I'm confident that such a thread would be far from uninteresting.

Cheers
Uncle Zook