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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

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    I e-mailed military member that was at the Pentagon on 911, he had helped remove bodies and recover after the incident. I asked him to post here but he declined after stating that some people cannot be reasoned with. But for what it's worth, he was picking-up aircraft parts for a full day.
    I emailed my best friend General Luser McBlowhole at the Pentagon who replied how amazing it was to actually see this gigantic commercial plane hit and how he courageously stumbled over burning plane parts and bodies to try to help. I post this only to do my part to offer valuable credible substantially substantial verification contributing substance.

    I truly hope the world comes to understand how unreasonable it is to question the total absence of a hole anywhere close to the size of a commercial plane impacting ground floors of a brick building or anything close to the amount of wreckage that would have also existed outside. I'm sure the truth will prevail without the footage from the 100's of video cameras that photographed it.

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    These individuals whom claim they saw or experienced the aftermath of the alleged plane should be placed in a series of psychological tests and a course of polygraph tests. IT DID NOT HAPPEN THE WAY THE OFFICIAL STORY SAYS. End of!

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Signs Under Attack! abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!!

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    Some of you may have noticed that Signs of the Times [SoTT] was down three times today [Wed, 22 Mar 2006]. This was a result of threats by abovetopsecret.com's attorney to our website host. It seems that abovetopsecret.com finally could no longer stand the negative attention they were getting from our exposure of them as a probable CoIntelPro operation, initially in the form of Joe Quinn's article: Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 - and Neither Did a Boeing 757 which is an analysis of the "catherder" article on abovetopsecret.com which essentially was support for Bush and the Neocon's conspiracy theory about the events of September 11.

    After removing this "offending material", we published the letter from abovetopsecret.com's attorney on our forum. Within FIVE minutes, the Signs page was taken down again by the website host. When we called our server to ask "what now," we were informed that abovetopsecret.com's attorney had called again and was claiming that in the five minutes the forum posting was up, he had already received death threats because we had published his name and location! (which, incidentally, is freely available on the web.) We were forced to remove that information also, but you can read it here. It seems that abovetopsecret.com's attorney is also well-versed in the tactics of CoIntelPro.

    As anyone who is familiar with copyright law knows, our rebuttal of the 'Catherder' article is perfectly legal under standard copyright law. However, abovetopsecret.com, like Bush and the Neocons, make up their own laws and enforce them with intimidation and bogus threats from their 'hired-gun' attorney. As Laura has chronicled on her blog, abovetopsecret.com's urgent demands that we remove this article because it was a violation of their "creative commons" copyright was absurd and simply evidence of their position as an active cointelpro/psy-ops propagator on the internet. It isn't copyrights that abovetopsecret.com is concerned about, it is Google bombing and running psy-ops. And now, they have proven it.

    This action also is highly suggestive of the idea that the Pentagon issue is a LOT more sensitive than anyone has thus far suspected! Do take note of THAT!

    We hope that everyone who reads this will spread this information far and wide because these people are covert Bush supporters, Cyber Nazi Brown Shirts.

    Don't worry, there will be lots more information on this matter available soon and we will keep our readers updated. Check back regularly, and it will help a LOT if you can find some spare change to put in the legal defense kitty.

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by SPIRIT WOLF (here)
    These individuals whom claim they saw or experienced the aftermath of the alleged plane should be placed in a series of psychological tests and a course of polygraph tests. IT DID NOT HAPPEN THE WAY THE OFFICIAL STORY SAYS. End of!
    So basically every one of CIT's witnesses need to have a psychological exam? None of them stated it was anything other than a large commercial type aircraft or airliner.

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

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    Signs Under Attack! abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!!

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    ...

    This action also is highly suggestive of the idea that the Pentagon issue is a LOT more sensitive than anyone has thus far suspected! Do take note of THAT!
    Indeed ... the very existence of this thread, here on the Avalon forum, over eight years after the above was posted, continues to show how critical is the coverup of whatever happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 of 2001.

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    Default 9-11 Update, Plane did not hit the Pentagon; more proof coming out

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12...-the-pentagon/

    9/11 Update: More proof no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon


    by An Aeronautical Engineer (with Jim Fetzer)


    “This article explains why high-speed flight in relatively close proximity to the ground [as for Flight 77] is virtually impossible – in any fixed-wing aircraft”–An Aeronautical Engineer

    Among the most important proofs that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon is that the official trajectory — barely skimming the ground at over 500 mph and taking out a series of lampposts — is both aerodynamically and physically impossible.

    I have argued in the past that it is aerodynamically impossible because ground effect would not allow a 757 flying at that speed to get closer than 60 or even 80 feet to the ground, where 80 feet is higher than the Pentagon at 71 feet is tall.

    And it is physically impossible because the effects of a plane flying over 500 mph hitting a series of stationary lampposts would be the same if the plane had been stationary and hit by lampposts flying at over 500 mph: they would have ripped the wings open, where the jet fuel stored in them would have burst into flames and the plane could have cartwheeled across the lawn.

    While I regarded my arguments as impeccable, I was faulted on the ground that “ground effect” would not make it impossible for a Boeing 757 to barely skim the ground, which led me to look further into the matter and discover that I had the right concept but the wrong name, where it is better described as “downwash”, as the technical study that follows explains in detail.

    That was a benefit from participating in the thread on Truth and Shadows, “Gage concedes his entry into 9/11 Pentagon quagmire has been divisive”. But some of those who were participating displayed scant familiarity with the evidence, which Dennis Cimino and I have recently surveyed in our study, “Reflections on the Pentagon: A 9/11 Photographic Review“.

    It also became clear that some students of 9/11 do not know the basics of “No Plane Theory” (or NPT, as it is sometimes called), which maintains that none of the official 9/11 aircraft–for Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175–actually crashed on 9/11. It does not mean that no planes at all were involved on 9/11, where the trucker buddy of a friend of mine from JFK research had told him that he had been in front of the Pentagon and watched as a commercial carrier flew toward it and then swerved over it, as I have explained in many places.

    See link for complete in- depth article.
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    Default Re: 9-11 Update, Plane did not hit the Pentagon; more proof coming out

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    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12...-the-pentagon/

    9/11 Update: More proof no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon


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    Hi Mandala,

    I merged your thread with this one in order to keep most of the data pertaining to that hot subject under one roof, so to speak
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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    No plane hit the pentagon.
    Most reasonably intelligent people, that have seen the evidence, either know this deep down,
    or cautiously suspect this on evidential grounds.

    Who really believes that a plan hit one of the Twin Towers and knocked it down in a fashion
    that exactly resumbled a controlled demolition ? What are the odds of that happening?
    And then... surprise, surprise... a second plan hit the second Twin Tower and knocked it down
    in exactly the same way. What are the odds? And then.. mega-surprise-surprise .. a third
    building fell down, again, exactly like a controlled demolition... and this one wasn't even
    hit by a plane. Wow... what are the odds ?

    Clearly, it's all bull****.

    Authority with impunity = tryanny.

    If there is an ineffective and/or corrupt justice system, unwilling and/or unable to render justice
    for this criminal behaviour... then perhaps we have a need for an effective and impartial
    system policing and sentencing.

    There is no shortage of people accusing the US Authorities of attacking it's own people.
    This isn't rocket science, the process is quite simple.
    Find 12 honest reasonable human beings, perhaps selected randomly.
    Present to them the evidence that the defendant willfully, with malice and forethought,
    engineered circumstances to destroy Trade Towers 1, 2 & 7 and damage the perimeter
    wall of the Pentagon.
    Allow them to come to their own verdict.
    Ensure that a documentary is made of these proceedings.
    Publish the documentary.
    Repeat.

    Sentencing can be administered by others.

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    Default Re: 9-11 Update, Plane did not hit the Pentagon; more proof coming out

    If none of the planes were crashed on 9/11, then show me the proof of air frames and serial numbers that are still buzzing around. Pretty simple to get a major reward for insurance fraud as the insurance industry would love to know this. The FAA, and lord only knows who else would have a major interest in this as well.

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    ..... malaysian airline 370...... ahh still missing...

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    Default Re: 9-11 Update, Plane did not hit the Pentagon; more proof coming out

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    If none of the planes were crashed on 9/11, then show me the proof of air frames and serial numbers that are still buzzing around.
    is attempted obfuscation.

    Truth seekers look at the evidence, and do not create a strawman argument as proof of anything. There is enough evidence to indict and convict responsible entities within the US federal government for deliberately, fraudulently, lying and covering up a crime. Actually, the bigger implication is that there is enough evidence to indict and convict responsible entities within the US federal government for treason.

    Unfortunately, the same gang of criminals also controls the entire "Judicial"* branch of the US government, so no such indictment is forthcoming - it makes no difference how solid the evidence is.

    *(The third branch of the US federal government is called the Judicial Branch, but until further notice, due to a lack of anything resembling justice from this department, the correct way to indicate this particular group of gangsters is to include the word judicial in quotes. Oh, and roll your eyes too.)

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Two of the 9/11 airliners were never 'deregistered' and remained on the 'active' flight list until Sept. 28. 2005, the classification officially changing only a month after two inquisitive flight researchers made repeated calls to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), inquiring about the strange irregularity.
    http://www.rense.com/general68/911h.htm

    ... and that's just ONE source (there are many more - google it).

    The FAA are part of the draconian problem - ask any aviator in the US

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    I am waiting for Judy's Woods new book. ""Were did the airplanes go"
    All kidding aside Perhaps they have a way to make planes disappear.
    Not one black box was recovered or found working? Really!

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    So you are saying then that the insurance companies were also in on covering-up by paying off insurance claims? That's like saying the lotteries give away fake tickets of millions of dollars to cover-up they are crooked.

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

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    So you are saying then that the insurance companies were also in on covering-up by paying off insurance claims? That's like saying the lotteries give away fake tickets of millions of dollars to cover-up they are crooked.
    This is speculation, trying to stuff more straw into the straw man. This is not evidence. Evidence would include a film of a jumbo jet crashing into the Pentagon, or expert witness testimony from aeronautical engineers stating that the real physics of a jumbo jet at near-ground altitude is completely inconsistent with the US government's fabricated tale.


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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    I am waking up a four year old thread ... but the following video is just too good a fit for this thread.

    This video is a brief overview of Wayne Coste's research findings regarding the 9/11 Pentagon evidence, narrated by David Chandler.

    I find it comprehensive and persuasive. It covers all the bases, all the points made for and against the case that a real Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11.



    The above video is just a 35 minute summary. The entire video series, over 3 hours long, is available at http://911speakout.org/wayne-coste/, and also on Bitchute at https://www.bitchute.com/playlist/BoyIN92QLxAc/

    Summary: A Boeing 757 did hit the Pentagon.

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    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Very interesting vid. Only problem I have, which pretty much trumps everything else, is a *real* Boeing 757 cannot fly north of 400mph at sea level, not without being ripped apart. Whatever hit the Pentagon, travelling in excess of 500mph, was not and could not have been, a regular 757, and thus probably not AA77. A pimped, military grade 757 lookalike maybe.

    Of course an easy way to clear this all up would be the public release of clear surveillance footage from any number of CCTV feeds dotted all over the Pentagon approach and surrounds, which would definitively show an American Airlines 757 causing that impact. But as we know, ALL tapes were confiscated and classified. Personally I conclude that the impact was not therefore a regular American Airlines 757. All we have is a couple of blurry (and probably doctored) frames that show precisely nothing decisive in that regard. Red flags everywhere nearly 18 years after the fact, and nothing about that has changed for me.
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