+ Reply to Thread
Page 8 of 16 FirstFirst 1 8 16 LastLast
Results 141 to 160 of 317

Thread: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

  1. Link to Post #141
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    17th March 2010
    Location
    UK
    Age
    67
    Posts
    1,333
    Thanks
    209
    Thanked 3,070 times in 656 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)
    the pentagon construction (reinforced, thick concrete) is a fortress compared to the twin tower construction.

    and I realize that many have invested lots of time and effort debunking the events of 911
    ("...8 years and a great deal of 12 hours a day for month in month out.")

    oh, forget about it...
    throughout this long thread, if those who are not vested in the 'pentagon' conspiracy theory can't see that a plane crashed into the building,
    then no reasonable evidence will ever convince them. and the moon is made of green cheese...

    the true believer will never be shaken from their beliefs, even when confronted with the brutal truth.

    over and out.
    We have now many experts in many fields whom have provided evidence to the contrary of officialdom, evidence you cannot dispute. But if it makes you happy and lets you sleep at night we can go along with the magical notion of a large airliner skimming inches above the grass at over 300mph making a neat hole in the Pentagon and almost completely disintegrating to tiny bits n pieces. We can also magicly believe soft nosed airliners managed to melt into structural sound steel buildings without disintegrating on impact, even entering and almost exiting the building. Yes of course, it matters not that the engine on the sidewalk did not fit the actual plane it allegedly fell off, and that whilst everything else was pulversided to dust a convenient paper passport flew down onto the streets from the impact in NY. Of course, now I've seen the light, I'm now in la-la land, its peaceful and serene here and all the nice government people keep me warm and safe with their blankets of truths.
    Last edited by SPIRIT WOLF; 6th September 2010 at 21:05.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to SPIRIT WOLF For This Post:

    Curious77 (7th October 2014)

  3. Link to Post #142
    United States Avalon Member Snowbird's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th April 2010
    Location
    The CORPORATION of the United States of America
    Posts
    1,777
    Thanks
    3,823
    Thanked 4,487 times in 1,079 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Forgive me if I am not excited by the sight of a 9/11 discussion. Yes, I agree that the truth desperately needs to be examined and brought forward. And, I so support those who travel the globe giving professional presentations to bring forth the truth of this horror.

    For those who wonder why after all this time, non of the air traffic controllers or the military personnel or eye witnesses have not come forward to tell their stories, I have two responses. One, they want to live to see their children grow up and two, many have already come forward...certainly not to talk to the government or the mainstream media, but they have covertly approached the victims' families. How do I know this? I have heard some of the family members state this very thing. The victims' family members know the truth of what happened. They have done the deep deep research.

    What hit the Pentagon? A missile and a possible holographic plane. This "plane", was definitely not a Boeing 757. It was also definitely not flight 77.

    I hate to sound so cold on this thread, but where were the strewn bodies and luggage, etc.? Yes, I have seen many pictures of burned unidentifiable bodies. Does anyone really think that our government is telling truth when they state that these bodies were recovered and returned to the families? And again, I don't mean to sound cold and heartless, but I have read that there exists a distinct possibility that a few, if not more than a few, of the passengers, especially some of the more famous ones, are alive and well...they just look a lot different than they used to look.

    Jimmer, I wish you well, but may I ask if you are by chance the author of the ats piece? Yes, I did read it. And I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed. Please, I beg you, do not come to PA and use Popular Mechanics as a source material. The majority of posters here are so very beyond all that.

    William Rodriguez is one of my true heroes in this life. He is a great man!
    Last edited by Snowbird; 7th September 2010 at 03:58.
    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
    Plato

    Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Snowbird For This Post:

    Curious77 (7th October 2014)

  5. Link to Post #143
    Avalon Member jimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    10th April 2010
    Location
    foothills of the rockies
    Posts
    419
    Thanks
    411
    Thanked 329 times in 166 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    snowbird, I am not the author of the ATS piece -- just a concerned citizen looking for the facts.
    as for the destructor of the pentagon, what leads you to even contemplate a 'holographic plane'?
    that just doesn't add up. where's your evidence? mixing syfi with reality doesn't help here.

    you are the first to say, 'we don't want your kind here.'
    thanks for that.

  6. Link to Post #144
    Australia Avalon Member bennycog's Avatar
    Join Date
    1st June 2010
    Location
    orange, nsw
    Age
    40
    Posts
    1,236
    Thanks
    9,511
    Thanked 4,207 times in 961 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Right at this moment there is a tv program on in australia called "9 11 state of emergency"
    I did not want to watch it because i knew before watching it that it would be more spoof to keep the sheep laying to rest.. and it has not dissapointed in that regard.
    my question is how can they have so many people to go on camera and blatently lie about the goings on of that day..
    for example one person comes on and says that he seen people still in there seats burnt alive in the pentagon.. they showed footage of the object hitting the building.. but the only footage is one frame when it just comes into view and the last few frames of when you see the explosion happen.. nothing was shown in between.. and they keep saying the name al-qaeda .... al-qaeda.
    nothing has come up about builing 7 as of yet too..
    has this program been in anyother country? i find the whole thing very suss.......

    bennycog

  7. Link to Post #145
    Canada Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    29th August 2010
    Location
    Chatting with Horatio, on a bridge between Hope and Hemlock
    Age
    56
    Posts
    1,259
    Thanks
    1,358
    Thanked 1,392 times in 445 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Hi Jimmer and Snowbird,

    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)
    snowbird, I am not the author of the ATS piece -- just a concerned citizen looking for the facts.
    as for the destructor of the pentagon, what leads you to even contemplate a 'holographic plane'?
    that just doesn't add up. where's your evidence? mixing syfi with reality doesn't help here.

    you are the first to say, 'we don't want your kind here.'
    thanks for that.
    While the use of holographic planes to carry out one or more nodes of the attacks is possible, discussion of said topic is not helpful in proving the Inside Job nature of the attacks; and precisely because such "evidence" cannot readily be established. Indeed, iot distracts from the evidence that can be readily established. Likewise, discussion of the fate of the 500 or so
    putative passengers (combining the respective plane manifests) cannot readily be established, and, too, distracts from the focus on the readily provable evidence.

    Jimmer, you provided a video clip of Mike Walter who claims to have seen a Boeing jetliner impact the Pentagon. I impeached his testimony by pointing out that he had at least two contradictory versions of the alleged impact event.

    In one, he explains in detail how the wings folded back upon impact (demonstrably false; slam an open umbrella into the ground and you will know why), and how that had allowed the fuselage to enter the relatively small hole at the impact point (of whatever slammed into the Pentagon; missile??).

    But in an earlier interview with Bryant Gumbel (on 9/12/2001), this is what he said:

    ------------------------------------------beginExcerpt----------------------------------
    September 12th 6AM eastern on CBS:
    Quote:

    Mr. WALTER:"...and I could see over in the distance the American Airlines jet as it kind of banked around, pivoted and then took a steep dive right into the Pentagon"
    (this is completely irreconcilable with the official story.)
    ...
    "GUMBEL: Did you see it hit the Pentagon? Was the plane coming in horizontally or did it, in fact, go on its wing as--as it impacted the building?

    Mr. WALTER: You know, the--the--the--there were trees there that kind of obstructed it, so I kind of--I saw it go in. I'm not sure if it turned at an angle. I've heard some people say that's what it did. All I know is it--it created a huge explosion and massive fireball and..."
    (Why was he less sure about details of the impact on the day after 9/11 when he was telling his story to the world?)
    ...
    "GUMBEL: Tell me, if you could, about the manner in which the--the plane struck the building. I ask that because, in the pictures we have seen, it appears to be a gash in the side of the Pentagon as if the plane went in vertically as opposed to horizontally. Can you tell me anything about that?

    Mr. WALTER: Well, as I said, you know, there were trees obstructing my view, so I saw it as it went--and then the--then the trees, and then I saw the--the fireball and the smoke. Some people have said that the plane actually sent on its side and in that way. But I can't tell you, Bryant. I just know that what I saw was this massive fireball, a huge explosion and--and a--the thick column of smoke and then an absolute bedlam on those roads as people were trying to get away."
    ------------------------end----------------------------------------------------------------


    Now, an impact is a reasonable conclusion given that he stated seeing both a Boeing jetliner and a huge fireball. However, he clearly did not see the impact. He merely assumed that the plane had struck the building. Two contradictory accounts: observed impact with explicit detail versus assumed impact with no details. I have thus impeached Mike Walter's credibility. If you are genuinely interested in a debate of the evidence, you will respond on this matter.

    And you will also respond on the evidence I provided earlier confirming (without a shadow of doubt) the Northside Citgo approach of the putative jetliner (thanks to the investigative work of Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis). The compelling thing about Ranke(Marquis)'s witnesses is that they all assume the Boeing jetliner crashed into the Pentagon, just like you do, Jimmer. But that part of their testimony is immaterial; after all, the Inside Jobbers planned the Pentagon attack as a sleight of hand (so that potential witnesses would arrive at the desired conclusion, namely, that a jetliner did indeed crash into the Pentagon). What is material ... is that all the witnesses placed the jetliner to the Northside of the Citgo gas station. And that scuttles the official story told by the Inside Jobbers and their myrmidons; a story told with downed light poles on the Southside of Citgo; a story that cannot be reconciled with the Northside establishment of the putative jetliner flight path.

    Of course, you may continue to respond by ignoring the evidence. That's your choice.


    Cheers
    Uncle Zook

  8. Link to Post #146
    Poland Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    12th April 2010
    Age
    39
    Posts
    1,435
    Thanks
    519
    Thanked 1,107 times in 242 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    bennycog, its quite simple:

    “The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed”
    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
    (Attributed to Adolf Hitler)

    As for planes , etc.
    Without ability to travel/see into past we can not establish what happened. We can speculate for ages, and this really do not change anything. S*it happened. And if we still invest our energy in supporting system that committed this crime, it will happen again, when it will be politically expedient to do so.

    9/11 was not separate event- history of such actions is quite long. History of regimes killing their own citizens is even longer. As long as this system lasts , there will be more such events and there would be bigger events. Whatever is needed to keep people fleeced.

    How to break this cycle of viciousness should be topic of our talk, not chasing specters.
    Last edited by Luke; 7th September 2010 at 15:32.

  9. Link to Post #147
    Canada Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    29th August 2010
    Location
    Chatting with Horatio, on a bridge between Hope and Hemlock
    Age
    56
    Posts
    1,259
    Thanks
    1,358
    Thanked 1,392 times in 445 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)
    [...]
    you are the first to say, 'we don't want your kind here.'
    thanks for that.
    Snowbird did not say that. He merely implored you not to come here with Popular Mechanics as a source material. I second Snowbird's request. PM is a rag. Don't know whether it was always a rag; but definitely, sometime after 9/11/2001, the existing editorial staff was replaced with minions of the Inside Jobbers. Alas, minions do what minions are meant to do. Sure enough, PM's explanations (wrt 9/11) jumped languages almost overnight, going from readable English to blinking crayola Minionese. Juvenile. Pseudoscience. Duckfactory. These are some of the words that come to mind as I struggle through my pocket version of Minionese 101.


    Cheers
    Uncle Zook

  10. Link to Post #148
    Poland Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    12th April 2010
    Age
    39
    Posts
    1,435
    Thanks
    519
    Thanked 1,107 times in 242 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by zookumar (here)
    (...)Don't know whether it was always a rag; but definitely, sometime after 9/11/2001, the existing editorial staff was replaced with minions of the Inside Jobbers. Alas, minions do what minions are meant to do. Sure enough, PM's explanations (wrt 9/11) jumped languages almost overnight, going from readable English to blinking crayola Minionese. Juvenile. Pseudoscience. Duckfactory. (...)
    Quite simple really. It's peer-reviewed, right ?
    Look at the machanism. Govt/officials are implied in any non-official story. Every "respectable" scientist out there is either on government payroll directly, or his research grants are govt sponsored - given all private research labs are in India or Eastern Europe right now. These guys know wherefrom their bread comes. They would not bite the hand that feed them. They have years of experience in self-denial.
    Ever wondered why for example, space program went nowhere from the moment ex-nazi specialists retired? Same principle. Free energy? same principle. Off-the grid technology? Same principle.

  11. Link to Post #149
    Avalon Member Peace of Mind's Avatar
    Join Date
    31st March 2010
    Posts
    1,135
    Thanks
    699
    Thanked 3,254 times in 813 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Hi guys,

    We must all remember the truth will never have unanswered questions attached to it.

    The truth is evident and undeniable to everyone because we are all a part of the truth/real. Fruad has a noticable vibration to it and it can be easily detected by anyone who is of rightousness. The key to pulling wool over the eyes is to keep people in fear/negativity/ lower vibrations, so they can't tell what's real or not...as they are so used to the negative vibes to know the differences.

    So, just to add to the discussion, and the unmasking of this horrific event... below are a few links to further aid in the research, the truth always comes out...sooner or later.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wzn1gBgPEo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXr_sGrUFO4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWEHsbz6uAc

    If they can get away with this, just imagine what’s next. Within the underground of conspiracy talk; it’s been said for decades the governments have been planning a stage alien invasion (by using holograph technology). The outcome is supposed to force all people to give up their weapons in exchange for peace. This is how the government plans to seize complete power over the populace. If the masses can’t protect themselves from threats both foreign and domestic…the PTB wins, well, that’s what they figure.

    Holographs are very real. His a clip where A news show is using a holograph to broadcast the news…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgdBsh90jg
    About 5 years ago, the Japanese created a television set that will allow you to see in 3D, smell and touch the images. http://www.betanews.com/article/3D-T...020/1124471972

    What? You said you need more to ponder on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clWz_ZJd6dc

    The TV’s has been pushed back to about 2020, but when I first heard about it in the early part of this decade, it was said they will be ready for sell by 2008. And, I thought the excessive campaigning a couple years ago for Digital screening TV’s were meant for our viewing pleasures…now I’m starting to see how these upgraded tools can be used in future sinister plans.

    We can over come all of this nonsense, but we can't fear the change that is needed to come with it. Heaven/glory (on Earth) has no room for hate, procrastinators and cowards.

    With that said.... I do see a glorious future where this event has played a very important role...probably the main catalyst in obtaining the paradise we all yearn for...

    Peace

  12. Link to Post #150
    Avalon Member jimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    10th April 2010
    Location
    foothills of the rockies
    Posts
    419
    Thanks
    411
    Thanked 329 times in 166 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    ok, I took a look.

    here's where I'm coming from:
    prove it factually and outright, without really crappy-distorted videos, wild holographic speculations and personal attacks.

    here's where others are coming from:
    I know it's a was set-up and I will send endless hours back engineering data, fuzzy videos and reading only that which supports my view, to prove it.

    this thread was to focus one aspect of the 911 questions, not the entire convoluted scenario.
    rather than distorting the initial presentation (from page 1) with other disparate arguments, stick to the topic (where's the moderator?) and present the best
    arguments that the passenger plane, flight 77, did not cause the damage to the pentagon.
    so far, the rebuttals have all been speculation with a couple of 'eyewitnesses' disputing the on-the-ground evidence.
    from the sources I've reviewed and posted, I believe the 'the hard, documented evidence' is convincing that flight 77 came home.

    and did I say, I love you all...

  13. Link to Post #151
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    17th March 2010
    Location
    UK
    Age
    67
    Posts
    1,333
    Thanks
    209
    Thanked 3,070 times in 656 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    OK blinkered one lets put it this way, even though the majority of researchers know full well the official story is ridiculous, we have not got 100% proof of this, we rely on common sense, logic and the vast experience of professionals stating the official line is nonsense. Not one professional pilot could pull off a 330degree turn and come in inches above the ground at speed in order to hit the Pentagon. We also see one 16ft hole as damage. Official line is plane banked slightly to left just before hitting building shearing off port wing and engine. The wing would have crumpled but a massive engine would have remained outside, it did not. The Starboard engine would have impacted and left a sizeable mark on the building, it did not and was never recovered from inside. The very idea of a plabe being flown by a rank amateur and performing such miraculous moves is beyond belief. The official line also cannot prove 100% a plane hit the building. We are told, by officials it did. STALEMATE?
    If more time was available to me I'd gladly go and get all the links to materials that will open your eyes. but for now try this one, professional pilots.................www.911pilotsfortruth.org
    Last edited by SPIRIT WOLF; 7th September 2010 at 22:16.

  14. Link to Post #152
    Avalon Member jimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    10th April 2010
    Location
    foothills of the rockies
    Posts
    419
    Thanks
    411
    Thanked 329 times in 166 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    hard, on-site evidence (from page 1 analysis).
    please top this.

    Click image for larger version

Name:	757-americanlogo..jpg
Views:	649
Size:	82.2 KB
ID:	2266Click image for larger version

Name:	rim1..jpg
Views:	143
Size:	45.5 KB
ID:	2267Click image for larger version

Name:	planeparts-1..jpg
Views:	172
Size:	86.5 KB
ID:	2268Click image for larger version

Name:	Damage9..jpg
Views:	148
Size:	58.9 KB
ID:	2269Click image for larger version

Name:	web_010911-N-6157F&#45.jpg
Views:	134
Size:	65.2 KB
ID:	2270
    life is an attitude.

  15. Link to Post #153
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    17th March 2010
    Location
    UK
    Age
    67
    Posts
    1,333
    Thanks
    209
    Thanked 3,070 times in 656 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    LOL you call that hard on site evidence? Please, we are mature intelligent people, can see when a piece or two of contrived conveniently placed small anomalous debris is photographed. As for other debris, where are the 2 very very large engines? Made from titanium, would most certainly have survived, damaged but recognisable as 757 engines. You cannot as they were absent! Prove to me please that the plane hit the building.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to SPIRIT WOLF For This Post:

    Curious77 (7th October 2014)

  17. Link to Post #154
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    17th March 2010
    Location
    UK
    Age
    67
    Posts
    1,333
    Thanks
    209
    Thanked 3,070 times in 656 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Imagine the 757 as a large aluminum tube, with heavy almost indestructable engines, its nose made from carbon materials. Even if a very experienced pilot managed to fly this tube at just above the ground and rammed it into the building, a very tough reinforced building, at lets be sensible and say 300mph, well below the impossible official line of over 500mph, it would totally crumble as it hit the building, certainly not gouge a 16ft hole and penetrate several layers of reinforced building.

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to SPIRIT WOLF For This Post:

    Curious77 (7th October 2014)

  19. Link to Post #155
    United States Avalon Member Snowbird's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th April 2010
    Location
    The CORPORATION of the United States of America
    Posts
    1,777
    Thanks
    3,823
    Thanked 4,487 times in 1,079 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)
    snowbird, I am not the author of the ATS piece -- just a concerned citizen looking for the facts.
    as for the destructor of the pentagon, what leads you to even contemplate a 'holographic plane'?
    that just doesn't add up. where's your evidence? mixing syfi with reality doesn't help here.


    you are the first to say, 'we don't want your kind here.'
    thanks for that
    .
    There were multiple eye witnesses at the Pentagon, several of whom saw completely different flying objects. One couple saw and heard a powerful jet fly so low over their vehicle that they both ducked while inside. When the thing had crossed over them and their vehicle and they realized, all within split seconds, that they were still alive, they looked up at the flying object. It was a solid white jet and was extremely powerful.

    Other people saw an American Airlines Boeing 757. One woman in particular was sitting in her vehicle on the freeway in front of the Pentagon with a perfect viewpoint of the nose of the "757" as it hit the Pentagon. She said that what happened happened in slow motion. When the nose of the "757" hit the Pentagon, she said that it was as if the nose melted. She described a kind of etheric melting of this jet's nose. There was yet another man who clearly saw and heard a plain white jet that he said was the size of a private jet, not a commercial jet. One of the employees inside the Pentagon, who miraculously survived this horror, was in the area where the "thing" came into the Pentagon. There was no jet plane.

    So, we have to ask ourselves, who is right? Which of these people saw what really happened? How much of what they saw was real or advanced technology that we cannot conceive of?

    One thing that Kerry Cassidy has stated from her research into the black operations, otherwise known as the Shadow Government, is that this black ops has technology (of course at our expense) that is approximately 1,000 years ahead of the technology that we currently live with. This means, that holograms are common place for those who organize and direct false flag operations.

    We also have to understand that the vast majority of court proceedings are won by circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. Its the gathering of hoards and hoards of circumstantial evidence, which by the way, is what is taking place now and has been since 9/11/2001, that tells the whole story piece by piece by piece.

    You needn't thank me for anything, whether positive or negative. I would never go so far as to attempt to tell a poster that they are not wanted on PA. This is because as soon as I post those words, I will be the one removed from PA.

    You have every right to post your opinions. Your opinions do not have to agree with my own. This is what makes our world go around. The only thing that we are responsible for, is to learn how to all play together in the sandbox.


    High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon

    Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings
    Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates
    Depleted Uranium Used

    Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site.

    A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military's depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used.

    http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm




    No jetliner could possibly make it through all of these concrete pods and come out an exit hole.
    Last edited by Snowbird; 8th September 2010 at 03:11.
    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
    Plato

    Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.

  20. Link to Post #156
    Australia Avalon Member bennycog's Avatar
    Join Date
    1st June 2010
    Location
    orange, nsw
    Age
    40
    Posts
    1,236
    Thanks
    9,511
    Thanked 4,207 times in 961 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    we really need to get as much of our research.. and footage and analyisi on the mainstream tv.. i am sure not all of the msm reporters and investigators are under the thumb of the tptb..
    we just need one reporter to take the story and the people can demand the rest..
    because with programs like the one that was on last night, will just put everyone back to sleep who might have started to wake up to this whole mess.
    never mentioned building 7 once. and praised bush and all the wa*&%ers involved. and since it was a 9 yr anniversary a lot of people around the world would have watched it.. it really hits that nerve with me that they can so easily take the people of this planet for a ride..

  21. Link to Post #157
    Canada Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    29th August 2010
    Location
    Chatting with Horatio, on a bridge between Hope and Hemlock
    Age
    56
    Posts
    1,259
    Thanks
    1,358
    Thanked 1,392 times in 445 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Hi, Jimmer
    Quote Posted by jimmer (here)
    ok, I took a look.

    here's where I'm coming from:
    prove it factually and outright, without really crappy-distorted videos, wild holographic speculations and personal attacks.
    Factually and outright? Sure ... and I'll throw in logically as well. Law of conservation of linear momentum. Fact of the known Universe. WTC7. Apply the LoCoLM. Upper mass colliding into lower mass (at any height in the building) must reduce the speed of the combined mass. This was not observed. For over six seconds after the penthouse collapsed into the roofline, the building fell at free fall speed. Take a stopwatch and time the roofline descending. Free fall speed. Not reduced speed. Ergo, lower mass was removed wherever it was present. Fact. Indeed, the collapse of WTC7 has all the classical features of a standard controlled demolition (central kink, ejected squibs, free fall speed, vertical collapse, etc.); many video clips of standard controlled demolition are available for comparative purposes. But are you waiting for a magic moment? Fair enough. Here is a video clip released by NIST.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_Lv...layer_embedded

    Two things. Note the chronometer ... it flows continuously. But note the penthouse on the roof. At 17:03:41:15 it`s in the video. By 17:03:41:18 it`s gone. You have to be quick with the pause button. May require several attempts to get the clip to stop where you want it to. But i got it to stop at both of the times shown above. Basically, in 3/100ths of a second, the penthouse disappears. Can you spell E-D-I-T-I-N-G. But why would NIST want to edit out the penthouse collapse sequence? To remove the sound of (planted) explosives going off? Who knows? You`d have to ask NIST. I just provide the magic moment of NIST`s deception (one of many).

    So we have, using LoCoLM, established the incontrovertible fact of standard controlled demolition of WTC7. That logically excludes Osama bin Laden and points to Inside Job (at the WTC7 node of the attacks, and therefore, at all nodes of the attacks). I have thus proven it factually and outright, without really crappy-distorted videos, wild holographic speculations and personal attacks.

    Quote here's where others are coming from:
    I know it's a was set-up and I will send endless hours back engineering data, fuzzy videos and reading only that which supports my view, to prove it.
    One might easily say that you're projecting your conduct of evidence collection unto others.

    Quote this thread was to focus one aspect of the 911 questions, not the entire convoluted scenario.
    rather than distorting the initial presentation (from page 1) with other disparate arguments, stick to the topic (where's the moderator?) and present the best
    arguments that the passenger plane, flight 77, did not cause the damage to the pentagon.
    so far, the rebuttals have all been speculation with a couple of 'eyewitnesses' disputing the on-the-ground evidence.
    from the sources I've reviewed and posted, I believe the 'the hard, documented evidence' is convincing that flight 77 came home.

    and did I say, I love you all...
    Incredible. Simply incroyable! The establishment of Inside Job at one node of the attacks establishes the Inside Job at all nodes. Ergo, the Pentagon attack evidence is mostly relevant as corroborating evidence. If potential evidence collected at the Pentagon node does not corroborate with Inside Job (firmly established via WTC7 node) , then it is not evidence at all and must be discarded. To wit, a discussion of WTC7 is topical with this thread because it lays the groundwork for corroborating evidence. The corroborating evidence at the Pentagon node is found not in holographic planes, suppositions, vague videos, or personal attacks ... but in the unimpeachable testimonies of a dozen or so witnesses who all agree with you, Jimmer, in stating that a jetliner crashed into the Pentagon, but who all also place the jetliner to the Northside of the Citgo gas station. That scuttles the official story which cites downed light poles as evidence that the offending aircraft approached the Pentagon from the Southside of Citgo. But wait, I gave you more; for I also discredited your witness, Mike Walter, for his contradictory accounts of jetliner impact.

    Again, I entreat you to abandon your defense of the indefensible. Failing that, you`re messing with your own integrity and no one else can be blamed for that.


    Cheers
    Uncle Zook

  22. Link to Post #158
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    28th July 2010
    Location
    Michigan, USA
    Posts
    673
    Thanks
    278
    Thanked 1,639 times in 239 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Okay, I thought I wouldn't end up in this discussion again, but here I am.

    In regards to the conventional theory that a Boeing 757, specifically Flight 77, flew into the Pentagon; I must say, there are some slight problems.

    1) A Boeing 757, flying at the official speed given, traveling low enough from the ground to damage lamp posts; could not, physically, do so. The lowest a plane in these circumstances could get would likely be 50 feet, under the control of an expert pilot.

    2) Witnesses of the event all describe different things. Many do describe a Boeing 757, and an explosion; but can we prove a direct relation just because of the correlation? Many witnesses also described all sorts of jets, ranging in size; as well as other objects that go unnamed.

    3) The taxi cab driver who made the famous claim that the Boeing 757 flew directly above his cab, knocking down street lamps in the process, has been found lying about his story as well as denying it.

    4) The aerobatic moves that the jet supposedly made, including the turns, twists, and odd maneuvers; are nearly impossible for seasoned pilots to attempt under ideal circumstances.

    5) All of the alleged hijackers on the morning of September the 11th were unreasonably ill-experienced. They could hardly manage a Cessna. Boeing 757's are an entirely different plane; highly difficult to manage, let alone perform incredible maneuvers at high rates of speed under very high G-Forces.

    6) Evidence recalled by witnesses also puts the plane at a more northern approach; skewering the official report of the event.

    I don't have time to link all of these points with their respective sources, but I welcome you all to continue with your research. There are many, many, many more in which I've forgotten to include, it's getting late here

    Now, I heard an interesting story about the 9/11 events from someone who might know a bit about the day. He had told me that the plan was to use four, real Boeing jets to hit four targets. These jets were to be remotely operated. Two of the jets hit their targets; the twin towers. The collapse of several buildings in that area were largely in part due to hidden explosives installed the months prior under the guise of maintenance work.

    One of the jets lost control over the state of Pennsylvania, and was consequently allowed to be shot down.

    During a last minute review of the operation, sometime in the days prior to, it was noted that the Boeing 757 that was to hit the Pentagon could not fly at an altitude and speed adequate to make the damage needed. It was physically impossible. It was then decided that the Boeing 757 would fly as low as possible over the Pentagon while a smaller projectile did the actual damage. A sleight of hand trick. The Boeing 757 would then be flown out toward the ocean for an eminent plunging into the water.

    From what it sounded like, the 9/11 attacks were planned much in advance; but whichever group was planning it, made some mistakes and needed to go through and correct them at the last minute. The plan didn't work as perfectly as imagined, being roughly a third of Americans now have doubts on the official 9/11 story; but it apparently convinced the other two thirds.

    Okay, that's all for now. Good night!

  23. Link to Post #159
    United States Honored, Retired Member. Fred passed on 9 Oct, 2016.
    Join Date
    13th February 2010
    Location
    Handbasket
    Age
    68
    Posts
    1,818
    Thanks
    185
    Thanked 1,619 times in 386 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    Fred, being off-topic once again.

    Imagine a group of incredibly evil people:
    • Come in the backyard and step on your pet turtle, on the way in.
    • Then murder family members to emotionally traumatize you.
    • Then kidnap other sons and daughters sending them to die on foreign land, over a lie.
    • Then basically destroy what little was left of the government we owned, in favor of one that owns us.
    • Then murdered between 300K and 1 Mil. people who never did a thing to us.
    • Then made at least 4-5 million of them homeless.
    • Then drove our economy into a ditch, while making billions for their friends.
    And a group of very sincere, and passionate people, ignore everything but the turtle.

    Ten years later they are still sniffing around, trying to find footprints on the turtle's back.
    Even though we know who did all the rest.
    Even though nothing will bring that turtle back to life.
    Even though all of the rest continues, even while I type this.

    You know what they call that, when the folk who did all this meet one another?

    A "Clean Getaway".
    Fred
    Last edited by Fredkc; 9th September 2010 at 04:50.

  24. Link to Post #160
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    17th March 2010
    Location
    UK
    Age
    67
    Posts
    1,333
    Thanks
    209
    Thanked 3,070 times in 656 posts

    Default Re: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

    I know of a group of people, with a powerful backup whom have sufficient evidence to bring certain individuals, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice to book, to be prosecuted for crimes committed on September 11th 2001. But they face huge problems in bringing these individuals to court. The money is available, the legal staff are available, but the US administration would bend over backwards to stop such court action. Fred, we are not overlooking anything, we just have hands tied. The above quoted individuals are smirking in our faces and telling us we can do nothing about it, and we can't.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 8 of 16 FirstFirst 1 8 16 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Boeing Whistleblower and My Information
    By Sickscent in forum Astronomy and Cosmology
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 14th June 2016, 20:57
  2. Another 9/11 Pentagon Missile Video? Could This Be It?
    By Enlightenment101 in forum 9/11
    Replies: 47
    Last Post: 25th September 2011, 04:14
  3. Pentagon in a panic over leaked State Dept cables.
    By Grizzom in forum News and Updates
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 12th June 2010, 09:03
  4. Replies: 19
    Last Post: 14th April 2010, 16:55

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts