What Are You Afraid Of, and Why?

[Kindred]

This topic came to mind due to the recent thread entitled “The Economic Collapse”, and the implications that such a scenario could possibly bring forth.

That item, when combined with all this discussion surrounding such topics as “Horus-Ra…, Drake, Warning from NASA scientist, etc, etc,”, it becomes plainly obvious that, even among the ‘enlightened’ (which I like to include most here on PA), the majority remain woefully ignorant of the teachings handed down through the millennia in many cultures and teachings, most notably espoused by Jesus.

That is the teaching of the ‘body’ as being but a temporary vessel for the Spirit, so as to allow for both The Experience of Creation, and the accumulation of Spiritual Knowledge, which is the Reason for ALL Existence.

That, Individually, we Are Infinite, All Powerful Beings, and Collectively We Create that which we call “Reality”, and Ultimately, We Are All One.

So, this ‘understanding’ begs the Question: What Are We Afraid Of??? Death??? Why???

If we KNOW that our Spirit simply ‘moves on’ to another body by which to gain New Knowledge, Why do we try and hold on to our current Temporary embodiment With Fear and Trepidation of the Inevitable?

Now, I’m NOT advocating anything like suicide… that, in itself, is neither an answer nor a solution for Anything. In fact, it causes great harm, both to the Spirit of the individual, but also to those with whom they are close, particularly children.

It seems to me that much of this Fear, is caused by Our Social Training which has been promoted by TPTB down through the ages. To keep us ‘looking outward’ for the Next bogyman, regardless of it’s nature. They have also promoted Fear of ‘The Other’, in every form imaginable; Race, Color, Religion, Geographical location, Sex, Status (economic, social, professional, etc.), Physical ability/disability/differences, ad-nauseam.

THEY have used these tools of Divide and Conquer for millennia, and, unfortunately, most of humanity has ‘bought into’ these false paradigms. THEY have been Most Successful in this training, as we can see all the Disunity, Fear, Distrust, and Hatred that’s engendered across the social spectrum.

So, I ask you, to ask yourself… What Are You Afraid Of? And WHY?

These are tough questions for most to answer Fully and Truthfully. Many of the reasons for these fears are deeply embedded in our psyche and personalities as a result of our ‘training’.

I did see that there was a thread which began in November, 2010 titled “Are you afraid to die?”, which included a poll.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ghlight=afraid

The results of that poll are as follows:
No – 70.74%
Yes – 4.79%
Unsure – 4.26%
I'm not afraid to die, but of HOW I will die – 20.21%

It would be an interesting follow-up to see the results of such a poll Today, given all that has transpired over the course of the last few years, and particularly so given the approaching so-called ‘end date’ of 21-12-2012. Yes, I know it is Not ‘The End’… more like a Transition.

I would hope that there would be a change in these numbers, but, perhaps not… which would be the point of such a poll to See What We’ve Learned.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[bogeyman]

This is a interesting question. You are a product of your past, probably for me, not been able to move forward, not being safe or put in a situation relating to some situation in the past. But I am aware I am being guided and protected to some degree.

[ghostrider]

I look forward to death , this body and this earth is heavy. I'm ready to go not in a suicide way but, just I'm okay with leaving this world to explore the next, earth doesn't make sense anymore. If you think about it, the purpose of life is death, all roads lead to death, every human races to the end ... I look at it like a transition, the point of life is to experience and then to transition...

[bogeyman]

Our body is just a learning curve. It is a most difficult form of existence though.

[Kindred]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
the purpose of life is death, all roads lead to death, every human races to the end ... I look at it like a transition, the point of life is to experience and then to transition...

I would suggest that the purpose of 'death', is to Begin a New Life... and New Lessons. In this, the term 'death' has little meaning, at least in terms of what we've been Taught.

Yes... a Transition. That is All

In Unity, Peace and Love

[ghostrider]

maybe death is the birth of the transition, would be a better way to look at it. The doorway to the real.

[Paula]

Two thoughts:

I'm afraid that polls like this will be used against us. We are saving the 'ptw' research dollars and energy. I mean no disrespect nor is this a judgement. It's just the way this mind seems to work these days, Kindred.

Personally in terms of death, I will embrace the whole experience. I'm recalling more and more these days of what death really was/is for me: an infinite blissful orgasms because there was no fear - only a welcomed invitation.

This was posted by Anchor:

[WhiteFeather]

We live forever. No need to be afraid.
The Laws Of Thermodynamics
Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change its form.

[peterpam]

I also look forward to death. As ghostrider so beautifully stated this body and earth experience is "heavy ". During the economic downturn due to massive, corrosive corruption and the ptb's agenda I found myself full of fear as I watched my 401 diminish among other things...It was a horrific fear of loss..I began to visualize the possibility of having nothing, no job, no money, no home.I really considered the possiblility of that life..Eventually I was comfortable with it.. Amazingly, the all invasive fear was gone...Don't get me wrong I still have other fear at times but it is not a dominating force..I recently had a excruciating tooth ache..I really tried to be in a state of acceptance with the pain and I was not able to maintain that....

[WhiteFeather]

If you have listened to The Seth Materials. Seth states that there is no difference between life and death. Consciousness is similiar. The death consciousness is an easier consciousness than the living consciousness. Just a thought!

"The characteristics of consciousness are the same whether you are in a body or outside of one. The peaks and valleys of consciousness that I mentioned exist to some degree in all consciousness despite the form adopted afterdeath. The nature of your consciousness is no different basically than it is now, though you may not be aware of many of its characteristics. "

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9RIOK_BlEw

[Kindred]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Two thoughts:

I'm afraid that polls like this will be used against us. We are saving the 'ptw' research dollars and energy. I mean no disrespect nor is this a judgement. It's just the way this mind seems to work these days, Kindred.

Personally in terms of death, I will embrace the whole experience. I'm recalling more and more these days. And it was an infinite blissful orgasms because there was no fear - only a welcomed invitation.

This was posted by Anchor:

Yes, I can agree somewhat with your assessment - by the same token, I thought it would be interesting to see if there were any changes to the general consensus among a group that, in some estimation, is more 'enlightened and aware', than those in the 'general population'.

Now, whether this small sampling is relevant to the larger population, that is another question entirely, and for obvious reasons, there's no vehicle for determining the ratio from this 'population' to the overall population. And this says Nothing relative to a large portion of the world where this method of communication is unavailable. I also strongly suspect that 'they' have other methods, Far more accurate than this rather insignificant poll.

All that said, I do find it of interest that, as of now, the overall numbers are right in line with what the other poll suggested, with a slight variance.

Rather than anybody (yet) to say that they are 'Unsure', there have been None - the portion of the previous poll that picked that item have now 'moved' to the 'Yes' column. It will be interesting to see, first, if this thread lasts 'long enough' to get a valid 'statistic', and secondly, what the final poll numbers are.

And, again, Yes.. I saw that item from Anchor a while back as it was sent by a friend via e-mail... rather humorous ... That'd be 'the way to go'!

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Arrowwind]

The collective Seth material tells all in my estimation, or about as much as we could comprehend while here on earth for most of us.

Seth says that fear comes when we feel that we are getting cut off from completing goals that the oversoul has set up for us that we are aware of on a deep level and as well from not understanding the nature of our personal reality.

[Wind]

I am not afraid of death, in fact I see it only as a normal cycle of life. There is no death, it's just metamorphosis. I embrace it.

Of course I hope that I will not die painfully like I may have died in many of my earlier lives, but that is not for me to decide.

What I am afraid is... Fear. I don't know how to explain it, but I don't want to be afraid of being alive. I guess that it's just a life lesson for me in this life...

[Frogweaver]

The me that is afraid is not really me. Fear is an illusion, and the fear of death comes only from the psyche which is there to protect the body, and therefore will struggle to hold on to living even if it is an illusion. But you asked in respect to each of us individually, so it must be that we respond as an individual. And I'm sure all psyche's (minds) have different reasons as programmed by the ego as to why they are afraid to die..the truth is that the ego can not accept itself as the product of an illusion, and so it works against the spiritual mastery, until the spiritual master - masters it. Then there is no illusion of death.

[Kindred]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
We live forever. No need to be afraid.
The Laws Of Thermodynamics
Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change its form.

I find it funny and interesting when anyone with an 'engineering degree' doesn't 'pick up' on that basic law, relative to our Spirit. Just like the fact that 'they' say that perpetual motion is 'impossible'... well... just look out your window and see the Sun, the Moon, and the stars are moving 'perpetually'.... (well, the Earth, and everything else). Can't see the forest, for the trees.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Dennis Leahy]

My greatest fear (oh geez, I hope the NSA and CIA are not reading this) are that the entire ruling class of planet Earth, and all of their minions, and all of their soldiers will board vast ships and leave for another planet - leaving us to fend for ourselves.

:~)

Dennis

[Paula]

Posted by Kindred (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Two thoughts:

I'm afraid that polls like this will be used against us. We are saving the 'ptw' research dollars and energy. I mean no disrespect nor is this a judgement. It's just the way this mind seems to work these days, Kindred.

Personally in terms of death, I will embrace the whole experience. I'm recalling more and more these days. And it was an infinite blissful orgasms because there was no fear - only a welcomed invitation.

Yes, I can agree somewhat with your assessment - by the same token, I thought it would be interesting to see if there were any changes to the general consensus among a group that, in some estimation, is more 'enlightened and aware', than those in the 'general population'.

Now, whether this small sampling is relevant to the larger population, that is another question entirely, and for obvious reasons, there's no vehicle for determining the ratio from this 'population' to the overall population. And this says Nothing relative to a large portion of the world where this method of communication is unavailable. I also strongly suspect that 'they' have other methods, Far more accurate than this rather insignificant poll.

All that said, I do find it of interest that, as of now, the overall numbers are right in line with what the other poll suggested, with a slight variance.

Rather than anybody (yet) to say that they are 'Unsure', there have been None - the portion of the previous poll that picked that item have now 'moved' to the 'Yes' column. It will be interesting to see, first, if this thread lasts 'long enough' to get a valid 'statistic', and secondly, what the final poll numbers are.

And, again, Yes.. I saw that item from Anchor a while back as it was sent by a friend via e-mail... rather humorous ... That'd be 'the way to go'!

In Unity, Peace and Love

Hi Kindred,

My post above demonstrates the paradox I'm experiencing. This self-contradition is healthy for the moment. It gives me pause to see which is driving this body, heart-mind or ego-fears. With that said, the thread is an opportunity for people to speak of feelings such as fear, they can transcend rather than stuff them. And for the guests, it is a place for them to begin/continue their discovery and/or rethink some outdated ideas.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[gripreaper]

When I am stimulated by an external source in regards to my survival, my soul wants to pull up my root chakra and distance itself from the body, while my body goes into the adrenaline "fight or flight" response.

So, for me, instead of marginalizing this energy and attempting to sequester it, judge it, and then discharge it based on a belief in fear, what I now do, is recognize the sensations associated with this energy, and not label it "fear" but intention that my root chakra ground, breathe through the adrenaline response, meditate into the beliefs surrounding the judgment of fear, and center and connect this energy into unity.

Thus, I get the benefit of the energy without the discharge and the weakening of my life force. That's the long way of saying, I don't fear. Fear causes my energy to be ascending from my etheric body, which looks just like the smoke from a campfire which is going out and starving for fuel. That's when the energy vampires start circling around and start to suck off my field.

Fear is a construct of a programmed system of scarcity designed to vampire your life force based on certain archetypes and judgments. The unity consciousness is about abundance, eternal being, and experience as indicated in the OP. Thanks Kindred for being so eloquent in your explanation of this.

[edit] I don't know how well this will work in an apocalyptic scenario with millions of starving people roaming the streets, with guns going off all around me, dead bodies laying everywhere decaying, and no transportation or electricity, with the entire infrastructure of the planet shut down.

I don't think anyone does. Ever see the movie "The Road"?

[normam2]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
We live forever. No need to be afraid.
The Laws Of Thermodynamics
Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change its form.

Honest to "Source" , whitefeather! The things you say make me think we've been twins on some other life. That same thought is the exact thing I think about when I think about "evidence" for life after death. I mean honestly why go to the trouble of creating/being if you are just gonna destroy it. Makes no sense to me.

I mean no physicist could argue with that premise, what are we if not energy! . The Law of thermodynamics might as well be the foreword for the bible... HA!

To answer the question:

I am afraid of never being satisfied with the answer to the question "Why there is a source/eternal consciousness at all? '

Infinitude of possibilities that could have resulted out of 'nothingness' or it could have stayed as nothingness and yet here we are. WHY?? How can there even be 'space' in the 'nothingness" to be/expand/evolve??? How can you have the answer= space , before you formulate the question=birth of consciousness??

IDK it just bugs me.

Isabel

[ulli]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
My greatest fear (oh geez, I hope the NSA and CIA are not reading this) are that the entire ruling class of planet Earth, and all of their minions, and all of their soldiers will board vast ships and leave for another planet - leaving us to fend for ourselves.

:~)

Dennis

Mine too. We can't take away their ladders just yet.
Your reply made me think of this: