split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread

[Reaver]

I have to ask: Has 9eagle9 harrassed those people who feel offended? has she been hammering those members in every thread she participates in out of nowhere? has she sent incessant PMs to those members?

I can see that she has a no nonsense style which is not about hugging and smiling at everyone all of the time, I can also see that she has a deep understanding on the dynamics of the human psyche. From what I've seen her posts aren't about consoling people when she feels that what they need is a methaphorical kick in the ass.

Is there judgement involved? of course there is and it's a tool which should be used by every single human being who is looking to maintain and develop her/his sanity. Judgement also comes in handy when you are trying to decide if someone else is toxic or not.

Sure it can go to an extreme like those extremes perpetrated by someone who is high on say racial supremacy and to be frank I don't see those extremes within 9eagle9's posts.

These kind of situations still baffle me. I'm talking about seeing that some people within the alternative community and who in all probability have spent years exploring topics regarding the dynamics of the Self, but can't stand any deconstructive criticism of their own beliefs, views, attitudes nor can they stand deconstructive criticisms towards "the messenger".

Now that's a general dynamic I've seen happenning in the alternative scene at large, I couldn't be 100% accurate with the members on this forum since I'm only familiar with the views of a handful of members on this board. But IF some or all of the members who are offended by 9eagle9 are people who claim to be into subjects of Self-hood, if they claim to be empowered, if they are those kind of people who say "I'm the one who decides what affects me and what not" and still find themselves offended by the posts and attitude of 9eagle9... well then I would say those people have some issues to solve and have to re-think their assumptions about being psychologically immune towards what someone else thinks or says about their person.

To be frank most of the people who I consider to be or who in my eyes have been great teachers, were people who got under people's skin. They were people who criticized the attitudes of other people, who addressed the person and his/her ideas alike, they weren't people who pretended that people didn't act based on their perceptions whether they were right or wrong, whether they were sane attitudes or not. They even had a degree of intolerance for other people and/or their beliefs, but intolerance doesn't necessarily means murder, harrasment, verbal assault, etc.

Should we always be smiling and remain uncritical of other people's beliefs if we consider them to be toxic? should we always give pats on the back to those people who act and think in a certain manner even if we think such attitude is being harmful to the other person? what if being warm and nice all of the time makes another person become dependent on beliefs which are actually just a mask of sanity? is that a sane thing to do? do we always keep our thoughts to ourselves in the name of civility?

Because taking such a stance could be harmful sooner or later. Take a view on modern times and the level of tolerance that people have towards organized religions. It is that tolerance in the name of civility, in the name of protecting the sensibilities of specific groups which has provided a breeding ground for the current Orwellian paradigm.

Again, intolerance doesn't have to translate into a sadistic behaviour. Sometimes intolerance can be a simple disagreement or a simple criticism towards X idea or behaviour.

But for some reason there are people in this world who think that compassion is just about suspending judgement, about smiling all of the time and being mr. nice guy... some even see humility as a something sane and as something that a compassionate being should be... but as Ken Wilber noted:

"Real compassion kicks butt and takes names, and it is not pleasant on certain days. If you are not ready for this fire, then find a new-age, sweetness-and-light, soft-speaking, perpetually smiling teacher, and learn to relabel your ego with spiritual sounding terms. But stay away from those that practice real compassion, because they will fry your ass, my friend."

I also saw some people making comments along these lines: "not having members permission to criticize their person/ideas". I really find such argument hypocritical. I do have to ask: has anyone here asked the permission of members of TPTB for their permission to criticize them? has anyone here suspended judgment when it comes to politicians? because you know, there are some politicians who have a serious existential crisis and who are far from being psychopaths and some of them may have a high profile within public awareness, but the hammering will continue anyway. I also have to ask: why no one complains when people praise the posts of other members or the members themselves without receiving explicit permission?

I also think there's a serious cognitive dissonance taking place within many people in the alternative media at large... well the whole world really. It is a taboo, a mortal sin, a no-no to give any sort of deconstructive/negative criticism towards another person, we are asked/demanded to pretend that such person doesn't apply his/her ideas on her life so we only must address the message. Doing otherwise will earn you all sorts of labels, from uncompassionate to abusive.

Oh but what about praising somebody else? what about showering them with flowers? what about sending all the love in the world to people? oh in that case no one complains, that's encouraged. No one seems to say: Don't praise the messenger, only the message.

So much for getting rid of the Ego, no? Some people just fail to see that sometimes prasing another being could be harmful. Take schooling as an example, there are millions of people who will praise those with good grades and impeccable behaviour who are an example for everyone else.

Such praising is feeding something which is utterly destructive in a toxic sense and no one criticizes people who encourage schooling because schooling is deemed to be good. No one seems to criticize people who are into schooling because civility and tolerance get's in the way.

There are fine lines in these dynamics and I'm not saying that what I term "deconstructive criticism" could not turn into a sadistic behaviour, but I don't see 9eagle9 showing any sadistic tendencies, nor I see that she has any desire to take over and have power over how people live their life... but at the same time that doesn't mean she should keep quiet and tolerate other people's ideas/behaviour is she thinks they are harmful to others and those particular people. She could be wrong at times, yes. But those mistakes are a way to refine one's own Judgement.

You see, even being neutral could be counterproductive sometimes. What would happen if seas of people decide to take a Zen attitude towards the evil and decay infecting humanity? Sometimes insanity hides behind a veil of sanity, goodness and compassion.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Reaver (here)
I have to ask: Has 9eagle9 harrassed those people who feel offended? has she been hammering those members in every thread she participates in out of nowhere? has she sent incessant PMs to those members?

I can see that she has a no nonsense style which is not about hugging and smiling at everyone all of the time, I can also see that she has a deep understanding on the dynamics of the human psyche. From what I've seen her posts aren't about consoling people when she feels that what they need is a methaphorical kick in the ass.

Is there judgement involved? of course there is and it's a tool which should be used by every single human being who is looking to maintain and develop her/his sanity. Judgement also comes in handy when you are trying to decide if someone else is toxic or not.

Sure it can go to an extreme like those extremes perpetrated by someone who is high on say racial supremacy and to be frank I don't see those extremes within 9eagle9's posts.

These kind of situations still baffle me. I'm talking about seeing that some people within the alternative community and who in all probability have spent years exploring topics regarding the dynamics of the Self, but can't stand any deconstructive criticism of their own beliefs, views, attitudes nor can they stand deconstructive criticisms towards "the messenger".

Now that's a general dynamic I've seen happenning in the alternative scene at large, I couldn't be 100% accurate with the members on this forum since I'm only familiar with the views of a handful of members on this board. But IF some or all of the members who are offended by 9eagle9 are people who claim to be into subjects of Self-hood, if they claim to be empowered, if they are those kind of people who say "I'm the one who decides what affects me and what not" and still find themselves offended by the posts and attitude of 9eagle9... well then I would say those people have some issues to solve and have to re-think their assumptions about being psychologically immune towards what someone else thinks or says about their person.

To be frank most of the people who I consider to be or who in my eyes have been great teachers, were people who got under people's skin. They were people who criticized the attitudes of other people, who addressed the person and his/her ideas alike, they weren't people who pretended that people didn't act based on their perceptions whether they were right or wrong, whether they were sane attitudes or not. They even had a degree of intolerance for other people and/or their beliefs, but intolerance doesn't necessarily means murder, harrasment, verbal assault, etc.

Should we always be smiling and remain uncritical of other people's beliefs if we consider them to be toxic? should we always give pats on the back to those people who act and think in a certain manner even if we think such attitude is being harmful to the other person? what if being warm and nice all of the time makes another person become dependent on beliefs which are actually just a mask of sanity? is that a sane thing to do? do we always keep our thoughts to ourselves in the name of civility?

Because taking such a stance could be harmful sooner or later. Take a view on modern times and the level of tolerance that people have towards organized religions. It is that tolerance in the name of civility, in the name of protecting the sensibilities of specific groups which has provided a breeding ground for the current Orwellian paradigm.

Again, intolerance doesn't have to translate into a sadistic behaviour. Sometimes intolerance can be a simple disagreement or a simple criticism towards X idea or behaviour.

But for some reason there are people in this world who think that compassion is just about suspending judgement, about smiling all of the time and being mr. nice guy... some even see humility as a something sane and as something that a compassionate being should be... but as Ken Wilber noted:

"Real compassion kicks butt and takes names, and it is not pleasant on certain days. If you are not ready for this fire, then find a new-age, sweetness-and-light, soft-speaking, perpetually smiling teacher, and learn to relabel your ego with spiritual sounding terms. But stay away from those that practice real compassion, because they will fry your ass, my friend."

I also saw some people making comments along these lines: "not having members permission to criticize their person/ideas". I really find such argument hypocritical. I do have to ask: has anyone here asked the permission of members of TPTB for their permission to criticize them? has anyone here suspended judgment when it comes to politicians? because you know, there are some politicians who have a serious existential crisis and who are far from being psychopaths and some of them may have a high profile within public awareness, but the hammering will continue anyway. I also have to ask: why no one complains when people praise the posts of other members or the members themselves without receiving explicit permission?

I also think there's a serious cognitive dissonance taking place within many people in the alternative media at large... well the whole world really. It is a taboo, a mortal sin, a no-no to give any sort of deconstructive/negative criticism towards another person, we are asked/demanded to pretend that such person doesn't apply his/her ideas on her life so we only must address the message. Doing otherwise will earn you all sorts of label, from uncompassionate to abusive.

Oh but what about praising somebody else? what about showering them with flowers? what about sending all the love in the world to people? oh in that case no one complains, that's encouraged. No one seems to say: Don't praise the messenger, only the message.

So much for getting rid of the Ego, no? Some people just fail to see that sometimes prasing another being could be harmful. Take schooling as an example, there are millions of people who will praise those with good grades and impeccable behaviour who are an example for everyone else.

Such praising is feeding something which is utterly destructive in a toxic sense and no one criticizes people who encourage schooling because is schooling is deemed to be good. No one seems to criticize people who are into schooling because civility and tolerance get's in the way.

There are fine lines in these dynamics and I'm not saying that what I term "deconstructive criticism" could turn into a sadistic behaviour, but I don't see 9eagle9 showing any sadistic tendencies, nor I see that she has any desire to take over and have power over how people live their life... but at the same time that doesn't mean she should keep quiet and tolerate other people's ideas/behaviour is she thinks they are harmful to others and those particular people. She could be wrong at times, yes. But those mistakes are a way to refine one's own Judgement.

You see, even being neutral could be counterproductive sometimes. What would happen if seas of people decide to take a Zen attitude towards the evil and decay infecting humanity? Sometimes insanity hides behind a veil of sanity, goodness and compassion.

She plays games -- I'd rather not have to point out that thread where she admits it. The one lesson she gives that is worth her effort is this: "What others think of me is none of my business"

I'm seeing much generalizations here: "praising = bad", "compassion is bad because it can lead to this" etc. Let's move past the generalizations and realize that each moment, interpretation and experience is unique, has a learning experience, and is neither "good" nor "bad" ... then, at this stage we can confidently move forward with our differences respected, but with respect to other as well.

Just because being too complacent may not be good, doesn't make being an asshole the solution. A bit like the "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" ... my 2 cents.

EDIT: How come I can swear? What happened to the swear filter?

[gooty64]

Here is the irony in this matter from my perspective.
I am about as sensitive, emotional, reactive and touchy as they get, yet I made fast friends with 9e9 and have had many personal conservations with her on the skype.
I for one am done pussyfooting or tiptoeing around my weak spots and sensitivities and would rather stare the tiger/eagle in the eyes than stay in my comfort zone and cower.
Like 9e9 said, "how are we going to challenge the PTB if we can't face our own issues? (weak paraphrase, sorry)

Aren't we in an emergency situation?

Considering the extreme dilemma civilization is facing during this time, a few barn-burning threads may be necessary to get at the heart of the matter/truth.

Isn't this forum about preventing the end of the world? (see- Anglo-Saxon mission and various other threads)

And what about talented, hard to handle past members that have been banned for eternity, why not recruit them to come back and join the forum again -so that we can together prevent the disaster from happening.

Isn't it more important to save mankind and the planet than to have a "gentlemans" forum.

Coming back to the forum recently after a 4 month "vacay/ban", I was eager to read posts from Grip, 9e9, Ghostrider, Borden etc. It's just too late in the game to hold anything back for later-imho.

[another bob]

Posted by Reaver (here)
You see, even being neutral could be counterproductive sometimes. What would happen if seas of people decide to take a Zen attitude towards the evil and decay infecting humanity?

Greetings, Friend!

It's easy to toss around terms. However, a true "Zen attitude" is not neutral, but in fact is filled with more passion than you could fathom. Of course, there are those who fancy themselves using "Zen" methods to "awaken" others, using a big stick to shock folks out of their "programs", but invariably these characters would shrivel in the presence of a true master. I've seen it happen over and over. A real Zen adept is not clumsy or angry -- their sword is surgical steel, peeling back layers of self-delusion without demeaning or belittling the one being served.

Nevertheless, "seas of people" will not be taking such a so-called Zen attitude any time soon, given the prevailing level of consciousness in this realm. Such a one is a rare jewel, and that has always been the case, even amongst thousands of Zen aspirants. Why? Because they have crossed the line of their own death, and few will dare to go that far, despite having read a few zen books, tried a little meditation, and attended a Ken Wilbur seminar.

Sometimes insanity hides behind a veil of sanity, goodness and compassion.

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Reaver]

Posted by DeDukshyn
I'm seeing much generalizations here: "praising = bad", "compassion is bad because it can lead to this" etc. Let's move past the generalizations and realize that each moment, interpretation and experience is unique, has a learning experience, and is neither "good" nor "bad" ... then, at this stage we can confidently move forward with our differences respected, but with respect to other as well.

Then you are missing the point. I never said those were absolutes, I never said that compassion was absolutely bad nor did I ever said that praising someone else is something no one should ever do. I was elaborating on the different layers you can find within those general themes. I'd have to write a huge encyclopedia everytime I write a post if I tried to cover all the possible aspects of which I'm aware of.

And I did say: "There are fine lines in these dynamics and I'm not saying that what I term "deconstructive criticism" could turn into a sadistic behaviour". The phrase may have been lost within all the other things I was trying to present and besides english is not my native tongue... but to be honest with you I feel you were the one who reduced my post to mere generalizations.

[Reaver]

Posted by another bob
It's easy to toss around terms. However, a true "Zen attitude" is not neutral, but in fact is filled with more passion than you could fathom. Of course, there are those who fancy themselves using "Zen" methods to "awaken" others, using a big stick to shock folks out of their "programs", but invariably these characters would shrivel in the presence of a true master. I've seen it happen over and over. A real Zen adept is not clumsy or angry -- their sword is surgical steel, peeling back layers of self-delusion without demeaning or belittling the one being served.

Nevertheless, "seas of people" will not be taking such a so-called Zen attitude any time soon, given the prevailing level of consciousness in this realm. Such a one is a rare jewel, and that has always been the case, even amongst thousands of Zen aspirants. Why? Because they have crossed the line of their own death, and few will dare to go that far, despite having read a few zen books, tried a little meditation, and attended a Ken Wilbur seminar.

It was more a figure speech than anything else. I do see the valuable elements of Zen from what I can grasp at the moment and if more people applied at least some of those teachings to their life, well I'd say there'd be a greater number of sane individuals on the planet. A great tool to get rid of cancerous elements from one's psyche.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Reaver (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn
I'm seeing much generalizations here: "praising = bad", "compassion is bad because it can lead to this" etc. Let's move past the generalizations and realize that each moment, interpretation and experience is unique, has a learning experience, and is neither "good" nor "bad" ... then, at this stage we can confidently move forward with our differences respected, but with respect to other as well.

Then you are missing the point. I never said those were absolutes, I never said that compassion was absolutely bad nor did I ever said that praising someone else is something no one should ever do. I was elaborating on the different layers you can find within those general themes. I'd have to write a huge encyclopedia everytime I write a post if I tried to cover all the possible aspects of which I'm aware of.

And I did say: "There are fine lines in these dynamics and I'm not saying that what I term "deconstructive criticism" could turn into a sadistic behaviour". The phrase may have been lost within all the other things I was trying to present and besides english is not my native tongue... but to be honest with you I feel you were the one who reduced my post to mere generalizations.

Missing the point? Or you agree with me? (I was referencing more than your post - don't be too terribly personal - I am not attacking you, Besides, in true 9Eagle spirit, what I think of you should be none of your business.)
BTW I think you meant "couldn't" instead of "could" in your quote? Maybe that is what threw me off. If english is your second language then that mistake can be overlooked.

[Reaver]

Posted by DeDukshyn
Missing the point? Or you agree with me?
BTW I think you meant "coundn't" instead of "could" in your quote? Maybe that is what threw me off. If english is your second language then that mistake can be overlooked.

Oh yeah, my mistake. Yeah I meant that I'm aware that "deconstructive criticism" can go to the extreme of sadism... and yeah English is my second language. You'll notice that I constantly edit my posts to fix my grammar, but I still miss some typos and sentences.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Reaver (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn
Missing the point? Or you agree with me?
BTW I think you meant "coundn't" instead of "could" in your quote? Maybe that is what threw me off. If english is your second language then that mistake can be overlooked.

Oh yeah, my mistake. Yeah I meant that I'm aware that "deconstructive criticism" can go to the extreme of sadism... and yeah English is my second language. You'll notice that I constantly edit my posts to fix my grammar, but I still miss some typos and sentences.

That makes much more sense - thanks for clarifying that point. I do it all the time too and hope no one reads my posts while I am trying to edit it and say what I really meant ...
At the end of the day we all know each experience is unique and generalizations should be taken as just what they are - again not directed specifically at you but at the overall tone of generalizations wherever they may be found.

[Reaver]

Posted by DeDukshyn
That makes much more sense - thanks for clarifying that point. I do it all the time too and hope no one reads my posts while I am trying to edit it and say what I really meant ...

I've been there more times that I care to remember and sometimes it's good that there are thousands of miles separating me and the person who wants to kick my ass

Posted by DeDukshyn
At the end of the day we all know each experience is unique and generalizations should be taken as just what they are - again not directed specifically at you but at the overall tone of generalizations wherever they may be found.

I usually begin to work with general ideas and then try to expand them while exploring different layers. That and I use a lot of deep thought within my posts, so sometimes I just sit and hope that the other person "gets it". If they don't I usually contact the mexican mafia to shake 'em up and ask for a generous ransom

[another bob]

Posted by gooty64 (here)
Aren't we in an emergency situation?

Not really -- we've done this dance more times than we can count, each time with a slight variation to keep it interesting and entrain our attention for one more round. When it ceases to seduce and lure us in any longer, when the kindergarten playground we take to be "our world" no longer can accomodate our growing level of awareness, we'll be ready to move up to a more engaging theater of fun and mirrors. Woo Yay!

[Rocky_Shorz]

even being this close to the discussions on Horus can affect us, I just looked at a side view of the sun to see what just popped...



Satan with a pitchfork...

[Rocky_Shorz]

did I just hear someone think it's eagle with a broom...


Shame shame shame...

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I don't know what went down, but I will tell you this. 9eagle9 earned her truth. She walks her talk. She has wisdom that transcends the fluffy bunny feel-good needs of the many. She has tremendous personal integrity. If she has a flaw, it is that she, like some of the Taoist Masters I have studied with, does not suffer fools.

She shares her truth without flinching. She does not give a damn if that truth makes you uncomfortable. It has been my experience over the last 18 months that people who have a problem with what she shares generally have a problem with something inside themselves that prefers delusion to their own personal truth. And so conflict ensues. and people react to her rather than look at their own inner friction. Reactivity is always a choice. (even when it is Whiskey doing the reacting)

And no, maybe this isn't the best place for her because many people here need their delusions reinforced and don't want to look at the reality of their own ****. But that would be YOUR loss. It's the same reason I feel less and less like I belong here as the months go by.

We can whine about how someone broke our cookie or failed to reinforce our personal reality. Or we can get to work. There is serious work to be done in the world. And time is short.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoVO_PFWxqI

[modwiz]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
I don't know what went down, but I will tell you this. 9eagle9 earned her truth. She walks her talk. She has wisdom that transcends the fluffy bunny feel-good needs of the many. She has tremendous personal integrity. If she has a flaw, it is that she, like some of the Taoist Masters I have studied with, does not suffer fools.

She shares her truth without flinching. She does not give a damn if that truth makes you uncomfortable. It has been my experience over the last 18 months that people who have a problem with what she shares generally have a problem with something inside themselves that prefers delusion to their own personal truth. And so conflict ensues. and people react to her rather than look at their own inner friction. Reactivity is always a choice. (even when it is Whiskey doing the reacting)

And no, maybe this isn't the best place for her because many people here need their delusions reinforced and don't want to look at the reality of their own ****. But that would be YOUR loss. It's the same reason I feel less and less like I belong here as the months go by.

We can whine about how someone broke our cookie or failed to reinforce our personal reality. Or we can get to work. There is serious work to be done in the world. And time is short.

I'll drink to that.

[greybeard]

Live and let live is a good way to be.
There is an expression that "Honey attracts more ants than vinegar"
There are effective ways of putting a point across.
Hitting some one over the head with a statement, even if its right, seldom works even if the point of view is correct and well intended.
It may be a responsibility to share---put things on the table-- but its the others responsibility to pick it up or leave it, or just plain ignore without comment.

Chris

[gripreaper]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1MogcDNYF4

We're sailing in a strange boat
heading for a strange shore
We're sailing in a strange boat
heading for a strange shore
Carrying the strangest cargo
that was ever hauled aboard

We're sailing on a strange sea
blown by a strange wind
We're sailing on a strange sea
blown by a strange wind
Carrying the strangest crew
that ever sinned

We're riding in a strange car
we're followin' a strange star
We're climbing on the strangest ladder
that was ever there to climb

We're living in a strange time
working for a strange goal
We're living in a strange time
working for a strange goal
We're turning flesh and body into soul

[Magnus]

I haven't followed the Horus-Ra thread to any significant degree, but i still feel inclined to offer my opinion in support of 9eagle9.

Others have the privilege of knowing her more extensively than i do, but for the part i'm able to account for, she has certainly earned my heartfelt vote.

She may be blunt, but that's no problem at all, in respect of the energy, intelligence and wisdom she represent. If i was in need of a slap in the face, then 9eagle9 is one of few i would be grateful recieving it from.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong in being courteous as long as it originates from honest and sincere intentions, the key word is - 'sincerity'. From here, it's a very fine line bordering to being sincerely blunt and delivering well intended slaps in the face.

In my view, a lot more folks should be grateful for recieving a sincere, loving, well intended and respectful slap in the face when appropriate. You just have to figure out who has your best interest at heart, and that might possibly be difficult or even impossible for some people.

[wynderer]

re the 'shock therapy' treatment for milabs & abductees to help us wake up to our power -- we already get shock therapy -- electric shocks by our abductors

not whining -- just reporting

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Reaver (here)
You see, even being neutral could be counterproductive sometimes. What would happen if seas of people decide to take a Zen attitude towards the evil and decay infecting humanity?

Greetings, Friend!

It's easy to toss around terms. However, a true "Zen attitude" is not neutral, but in fact is filled with more passion than you could fathom. Of course, there are those who fancy themselves using "Zen" methods to "awaken" others, using a big stick to shock folks out of their "programs", but invariably these characters would shrivel in the presence of a true master. I've seen it happen over and over. A real Zen adept is not clumsy or angry -- their sword is surgical steel, peeling back layers of self-delusion without demeaning or belittling the one being served.

Nevertheless, "seas of people" will not be taking such a so-called Zen attitude any time soon, given the prevailing level of consciousness in this realm. Such a one is a rare jewel, and that has always been the case, even amongst thousands of Zen aspirants. Why? Because they have crossed the line of their own death, and few will dare to go that far, despite having read a few zen books, tried a little meditation, and attended a Ken Wilbur seminar.

Sometimes insanity hides behind a veil of sanity, goodness and compassion.

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

No disrespect,

And the sound of one hand clapping is just whacking yourself on the forehead when you are wrong, its not that hard to admit one is wrong, i whack myself a lot and thats a good thing, its called learning, cigars are nice by the way ( although Freud is pretty much a dick, anyone could have come up with that cigar phrase). Saying you are sorry should not be hard either and its not, everybody can be wrong, you dont even have to be an idiot to come to that conclusion.

I had very little to no interaction with 9e9, she could be a really hard act or ass to follow, nevertheless, rudeness has not being presented as eloquent as she could and can very often. No clue as of why she went on a involuntary holiday ( i can imagine some scenarios but that does not mean i am right). I do have the feeling she did not whack herself on the head very often though, if thats a good thing or bad thing, who knows.

As far as energy reading goes, i dont know about you but i have many faces, the face i show is usually the one i want to show on that particular moment, this does however not mean the face is not sincere, i have little to no interest of showing who i really am on forums, i have no clue who everybody is or what his/hers intentons are towards others and so i present myself the way i do, the good will stay and read between the lines, the bad cant touch me it does not know what and who i truly am and how to focus on me, i like it that way.

Let him/her without sin cast the first stone, i dont think many stones will be cast.