Mike Adams and Alex Jones Are they Paid Government Shills?

[Referee]

Interesting radio show from Orion Talk Radio. There is some convincing evidence that Mike Adams is not who he says he is, as well as Alex Jones. Listen the whole show is interesting however the fireworks start at 22:00. Apparently, Mike Adams is removing items from websites he is not apart of ( Before It's News). Items that disagree with his ideals on natural health. Apperently he left the US to move to Ecuador in fear of arrest and to continue his work. Well how can he operate in the US now, and why is he on the Alex Jones Show? Please take a listen.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR6LGegazCE

[jackovesk]

I did'nt need to watch that in order to answer that question..!

The 'Answer' is obviously

Here's another Question...

"Why all of a sudden are we being exposed to increased levels of 'CoIntelPro' moreso than any other time in History"..?

[Referee]

Jacko you know I have always supported Infowars

This is a Canadian Talk Radio Show with little interst in effecting US alternative media policy IMO.

Please listen to the section there maybe something here! I know its hard to consider but what if Infowars is an advanced cointelpro

I will do some fact checking over the next few days and post anything I find out!

[jackovesk]

Posted by Referee (here)
Jacko you know I have always supported Infowars

This is a Canadian Talk Radio Show with little interst in effecting US alternative media policy IMO.

Please listen to the section there maybe something here! I know its hard to consider but what if Infowars is an advanced cointelpro

I will do some fact checking over the next few days and post anything I find out!

Ok, out of respect for you Referee - I listened from the 22 to the 30 minute mark...

Mike Adams...

I'm not reading into what you are on this occassion though...Why...?

For starters...

• Some of these people are in 'Direct' competition with Mike
• Are rank Amatuers (Seems like they were having nothing but a Biartch Session)
• They think Mike is for Agenda 21 because he uses the word 'Sustainable' in some of his articles & newsletters. WTF..?

Admittedly - I have not listened to the radio show in its entirety, however I fear if I continue..? I only will offend you an that's something I do not wish to do...

I heard enough though to make an informed opinion as requested...

Rgs,

Jack

PS - Re:....

Posted by Referee (here)
Please listen to the section there maybe something here! I know its hard to consider but what if Infowars is an advanced cointelpro

Don't worry (I TOO) listen out for anything (Pro-NWO/Controlled Opposition) coming out of the Alex Jones stable aswell (On a 'Daily' basis) and if I found...

ANYTHING - I would'nt hesitate to spill the beans...

I've been listening to Alex for over a decade and still have'nt uncovered anything of substance yet that would support such a Theory...

[christian]

Posted by Referee (here)
There is some convincing evidence that Mike Adams is not who he says he is, as well as Alex Jones. [...] Please take a listen.

Mike Adams said on air that he has a residence in Ecuador. Alex said on air that he is thinking about opening a second office somewhere in the Carribeans, because it's getting so bad in the US. I just listened into it for a minute and a guy said that Alex and Mike are "minions for the NWO depopulation agenda". That's like saying Obama is a light warrior. I don't feel like listening to this whole show really... Can you boil it down to the bullet points you find most striking?

[Mulder]

This subject has been done to death - I don't wish to re-invent the wheel or have a "ground-hog day."

[conk]

I've read Mike Adams from the day one. Always outstanding, credible information. He's one of the good guys.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by conk (here)
I've read Mike Adams from the day one. Always outstanding, credible information. He's one of the good guys.

I agree with this. Big Pharma / AMA Shills do not.

[4evrneo]

I too have been reading Naturalnews.com and Mike Adams stuff for couple of years now, from what I can remember, he did live in Ecuador, but moved back to the US (i think in Texas somewhere). Wish I could find the article but I am pretty sure he is a good guy. Here is an about tidbit: http://www.naturalnews.com/About.html

[The vast majority of our content is freely given away at no charge. We offer thousands of articles and dozens of downloadable reports and guides (like the Honest Food Guide) that are designed to educate and empower individuals, families and communities so that they may experience improved health, awareness and life fulfillment.]

[The NaturalNews Network is not for sale, and does not accept money to cover any story (or to spike it). We are what the news industry used to be, before it sold out to big business. We have no particular religious affiliation and are considered religion-neutral. We also have no particular political affiliation and do not endorse political candidates. ]

Been an avid reader of all the natural health topics which have been very factual, I usually research his sources regarding health.


Annette

[jackovesk]

Posted by Mulder (here)
This subject has been done to death - I don't wish to re-invent the wheel or have a "ground-hog day."

I 'TOTALLY AGREE' Mulder...

The Question should be 'Why', now all of a sudden (especially within the last 3 months) we know that the likes of George Soros who funds (Media Matters) is on a 'Mission' to discredit anyone who does'nt see
'EyE to EyE' with the PTW..!

That should really tell you 'All You Need To Know'...

Go figure...

[grampah]

Mike Adams emails overwhelmed me. I switched to Jon Rappaport at http://www.nomorefakenews.com/

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by 4evrneo (here)
I too have been reading Naturalnews.com and Mike Adams stuff for couple of years now, from what I can remember, he did live in Ecuador, but moved back to the US (i think in Texas somewhere). Wish I could find the article but I am pretty sure he is a good guy. Here is an about tidbit: http://www.naturalnews.com/About.html

[The vast majority of our content is freely given away at no charge. We offer thousands of articles and dozens of downloadable reports and guides (like the Honest Food Guide) that are designed to educate and empower individuals, families and communities so that they may experience improved health, awareness and life fulfillment.]

[The NaturalNews Network is not for sale, and does not accept money to cover any story (or to spike it). We are what the news industry used to be, before it sold out to big business. We have no particular religious affiliation and are considered religion-neutral. We also have no particular political affiliation and do not endorse political candidates. ]

Been an avid reader of all the natural health topics which have been very factual, I usually research his sources regarding health.


Annette

Yes, Mike Adams is a good guy. When someone risks his life, 'hiding in the open' to disclose important information, I find it hard to understand when anonymous people criticize that person.

Anyone can have a theory or make an accusation. The test is whether 'the accused' is actively helping to make the world a better place or not. In most cases, the accused is doing far, far, far more than the accuser. Throwing stones is pretty easy.

For the record, although Mike lived in Vilcabamba for a while, our paths never crossed. He arrived after my first visit there in January 2009, and had left by the time of my second visit there last summer (June 2011).

I heard a lot about him -- from Dr Brian O'Leary, and many others. Mike basically returned to the US after inadvertently irritating and clashing with quite a number of people through bullishly promoting 'real estate tourism', and unthinkingly doing quite a considerable amount to inflate real estate prices in the area -- to the detriment of the locals, all of whom were (and still are) pretty much priced out of the market. It's as simple as that. There was no conspiracy.

[HaveBlue]

Too right Bill. When a person is going public about very real issues and facing them in a very real and rational way it becomes pretty obvious (to me at least) that the ones doing the rubbishing of these people such as Alex Jones (who on the Godlike Productions forum you call Axel Johnsley to avoid being instabanned!) David Icke, Kerry and even your good self, that it is them that are the shills.

The old 'I think that one just does protesteth a bit too much' scenario comes to mind. Anyone 'shooting the messanger' instead of attacking or questioning the information is an instant suspect. Unless of course that person has a long track record of stirring up BS time and again. Then you'd just ignore them wouldn't you? and not spend your precious time on them at all.

People that can and do validate what they are saying deserve our attention. And if they can't validate because of protecting a source or the like we are left to 'feel' if it 'resonates' with us personally and to also search the web to find any other data that may back up this piece of infomation. Not doing this and just 'mouthing off' in a negative way tells us much about the poster and nothing about the subject of their venom. I have made many posts saying just that on many forums before, including this one I think.

A website that bans you just for mentioning a name such as Alex Jones is obviously a candidate for suspicion. And especially when you cannot find out why and cannot also find out who it is that owns and operates that website and what happens to the $10 per month required to be a 'full' member just so you can PM people and put a pic in your avatar etc...(why on earth anyone would want to pay that is beyond me!- John Lear included! I really must ask him. Maybe he gets it free because of who he is and attracts people to that place. It is indeed the only reason I went there.

But sadly it has a fairly large following and even people like John Lear have a thread there and are very much aware of the problems accociated with that site.
He personally emailed me and said he is open to moving his thread to another site and I did reply suggesting a few including this one and Kerrys' but nothing has changed and he is still at GLP.

I found just a few days ago that I was able to access the GLP site again and my IP was no longer banned after 2 or 3 months but have not tried to log in with my old 'HaveBlue' details.

I know you are well aware of the goings on at that site and would love for you to make some comments about it here for us all to ponder. It fits into the 'shills' topic well I think.

That is just one of many suspect sites of course but is probably the first that comes to mind for not only myself!

Thanks in advance even if you don't have time to make any comments then thanks for everything else you do for humanity!

[Huma]

Listen, I have no idea if these men are "paid assets" or shills. I think that is indulging in a wee bit too much paranoia and also, it gives these kind of folks FAR too much credit, especially when you dig into there histories. Both of these men are businessmen at the end of the day, first and foremost. They are interested in ad revenue, selling there crappy products, and up selling "truth" via huge email lists they have gathered. They have old and powerful websites which dominate the search results and as such get a lot of traffic and therefor ad revenue. Beware those who "sell" you truth. I am sure both men have good aspects to them, no doubt, but money has an amazing way of compromising a person.

Natural news isn't up for sale, because it is already owned by Truth Publishing International, Ltd., a Taiwan corporation for that matter. I am in the internet marketing world, I know how these men make there money. This man wants MILLIONS of dollars for his Ecuadorian house/property, and the locals had every reason to be upset.

Alex Jones is also a distant shadow of his former self, why? Because when he wasn't so big, he had to do actual investigations and tell actual truths to get attention and viewers. Now he is just into screaming and fear mongering. He makes a mockery of the truth movement, but hey, he sure is raking in some serious ad bucks and selling lots of crummy dvd's, so it's all good.

I mean for crying out loud even Kerry (who I know means well) is doing little tours with a well known con artist IE: Sean morton.

This field needs to get serious, and fast, because as Bill has pointed out numerous times we have a lot of crap headed our way and we need to step up our game. There are those of us here not so easily misled or fooled by this silliness and really want to see some change.

[HaveBlue]

So true Huma. I agree with you about Kerry's new sidekick! A poor replacement for Bill indeed! SDM is after all the inspiration for my avatar pic choice as I feel it sums up what I hear from him very well. Bill is what gave Camelot its believability with his well mannered and considered thoughts and questions. Kerry would often argue with the intervieweee- whos' telling the story here Kerry- you or the person that was there?

SDM AKA 'The $100 guy' who took van loads of folks up to area 51 and pointed out all the UFOs that were either the Janet B737s or 'real' UFOs that were always directly behind the paying customer that then winked out by the time the customer had turned around! That was in the 90s cashing in on the Bob Lazar era. Now he's the 6 million dollar man! He even swindled Kerry out of part of her inheritance from her mother! And she actaully believes it wasn't his fault! incredible! Unbelievable! Only in America (well L.A/ Hollywood to be fair, there are many great americans after all)

It is such a 2 edged sword for people like Kerry because she has to eat and live too. But with an upcoming 3rd trip to Egypt in as many years will have the donators concerned! I can't afford to donate myself but wish her well and i have a massive repect for her. She has known SDM for many years and considers him a friend. Unfortunately there are exceptions to the adage that 'birds of a feather flock together' but folks always love to find a reason to dismiss someone as soon as they can find an excuse.

I think Bill got it right when he said "I think my job may be done" in that he did what he did and has not gone and ruined it by making his own credibility doubtful. He maintained it being about the info and whistleblowers and not himself. This is the fundamental difference between the English and the American L.A Californian cultures.

Kerry has also gotten very fat since the Camelot split and that is another unfortunate indication of where the donations are going. If I could afford to send money it would be only to Bill. All I can offer is a reasonable place to stay if either of them ever came to Dunedin NZ for free.
Even SDM too! I would love to ask him a few things and see him wriggle!
He has also taken on the same physique of Kim Dotcom! But at least he is honest about what he (Mr Dotcom) does as far as 'sharing' information goes!

It is all really rather comical.

But we must not throw the baby out with the bathwater and instead sort the wheat from the chaff. Mr Richard Dolan is also a friend of Kerrys from years ago too so credit where credit is due. But he writes books for his money, as does Jim Marrs and others like David Icke. So does David Wilcock who I do admire and who is an american from L.A and is true to form but does back up his stuff and tell us where he gets his info from.
So kudos to him.
These people have an actual product and are not just trying to 'middle man' others efforts. I also take offense at those who get the same old people on their radio shows that want you to pay for the second half of the show yet they do not pay the 'guests' that we want to listen to. I sure don't want to listen to the 'host' prattle on about their 'products'.

People like Richard D Hall, Miles Johnston, even Howard Hughes who are all English incidently may or may not ask for help they do not deny us the info that is supposed to be 'our right to know' (for a small fee of course! if a U.S show!)

[Kerrigan]

Thank you mister Ryan for your input regarding Mike Adams.

What's your take on Alex Jones?

[airaspect]

I agree with 90 % of what You said, HaveBlue.

I also believe You owe Kerry an apology.

[Referee]

Thank You for weighing in on this issue Bill. I think we can put this to bed!