Proof that Pleiadians and the rest do not Absolutely exist!

[Tony]

Proof that Pleiadians and the rest do not Absolutely exist!

Pleiadians, Extraterrestrials, Greys, Reptilians, Archons, Atlantians, Mars bases, and any ballpoint pen laying around... have Absolutely no reality! Like the image of ourselves, they are all a figment of our imagination and in our consciousness - or rather, in someone else's!

Anyone who says they do exist is telling you a big fib

Why is this? Perhaps they've fallen under the mystic spell of whispering “whistle blowers” who also fell under someone else's mystic spell? Perhaps they want fame and recognition? Either they believe what they have been told, or they have seen something and believe it is real, which is not. Or they are making it up...

Here are the simple reasons why.

If there are Pleiadians, Extra-terrestrials, Greys, Reptilians, Archons, Atlantians etc, they exist in exactly the same way as we do – in Consciousness, in the mind.
Consciousness is the bit between outer phenomena and our true essence.
Consciousness can be twisted or misdirected by ourselves and others, so that anything can appear to be real, because we identify so strongly with 'our' thoughts! Or rather, what is put in our minds...that is the role of the magician!
This is all about Neuro Linguistic Programming: people are being led by the nose, to believe in things that have actually no absolute reality.

If we keep believing in these things as real, we will never escape from this compounded illusion...this nightmare! Oh! I forgot - it's fun... “Bring it on!”...? Bring what on? More suffering?

The imagination of the mind is a powerful tool: it can be used to analyse itself, or be made to invent and believe in all sorts of fantasies.

Every single thing you see, hear, touch, taste or smell – everything that is perceived through the senses - is only experienced in the mind. It is not experienced “out there”! Information passes through the senses to the brain and the mind interprets...by the time the mind looks out there, “out there” has changed, but it happens so quickly that we don't notice it – in the way that a film strip looks like a continuous image but is made up of individual frames.
Through propaganda, ideas have been placed in the mind and we maintain this through identification with these sets of thoughts..not all your thoughts are your own!

Let's look at the “believable” outward phenomena first.
Everything in the universe has no permanent nature.
Everything is created by causes and conditions
This includes our bodies, and every other sentient being's body, in any dimension or relative reality - whether we can see them or not, on any frequency - they are all 'created' by causes and conditions. Everything – including bodies – is created: it has a beginning, it has to be maintained, it deteriorates and then it has an end.
So everything has no permanent reality!

As some of you know, we are not this body, but let's look inside.

All creatures are sentient – meaning that they have a mind, which has conscious awareness...even a slow slug. We are only aware of events taking place in the mind.
Most sentient beings believe what they see, hear etc is reality. Solid. Never changing.
Beings of a higher level are able (only if they look) to be aware of a refined, lucid 'being' beyond normal consciousness.
A human body is one such vehicle to realise one's true essence. No doubt there are other beings with more or less the same potential.

All beings have an absolute enlightened essence.
There is no thing more than this.
If Pleiadians, Extra-terrestrials, Greys, Reptilians, Archons etc have a relative presence as we do, they must all wish to realise their true nature – but dwell in great or less confusion.

If you say Pleiadians, Extra-terrestrials, Greys, Reptilians or Archons etc exist, prove it!
Tell us - what special knowledge did they impart to you ?
If you state they exist, the onus is on you to prove it.
Oh and by the way, saying “I've met them,” is not proof!

If you keep looking outside yourself, you will never find yourself.
Those who do know, look into themselves and find there is nothing to find.
We are that pure, lucid knowing.

This bizarre toying with fantasy Extra-terrestrials stops people looking at what is actually (provably) going on here and now. Every so often, another piece of "info" hits the forum, and off we go in circles with our “Oh yes it is!” and “Oh no it isn't!”.

But if you regard that nothing in the mind has any reality, reality is the observation of that non-reality.

We are like silly sheep, who have gone astray...it all comes down to a question of reality.

All the best
Tony

[Sirius White]

The biggest issue with the whole whistleblowing and channeling phenomenon, is we tend to come to major conclusions based off either false, or half-true information. This includes people with your viewpoint, and those in opposite viewpoint.

For example, Pleadian beings are very much real, and yes they have been here. BUT......they are not 24/7 here to help us ascend and destroy underground facilities. They communicate in subtle ways to those whose souls are connected to them. The rest is up to those here who do the work on the ground. In otherwords- NOTHING IN THE UNIVERSE IS GIVEN, it is EARNED.

So in general- these things, these false images of love and light. The deception so to speak (new age). Yea, its true. That doesn't mean that the whole thing can be simply discounted, because any time you see an effort to mislead people via false hopes, or through manipulation of images, it usually means there is something very true that is being hidden through these subversive means. An example? Christ, the Christos, the ability for MAN to bring the DIVINE into the MATERIAL PLANE- which before the times of Christ, was almost unheard of to the gnostic sects. This Truth was VERY conveniently hidden by many myths, prophets, channeling, and of course the creation of the religion that we know of today. In which it was all perverted and inverted.

This is a common and repeating pattern.

These beings are real, but you want to know the deception? They would never have you sit there, worship them, or wait for them, or love them thinking they are going to be the solution. They would in fact, and do so- keep their presence a secret, and furthermore at a VERY SUBTLE Level because they understand true spiritual and physical evolution does not come from intervention, and/or by showing themselves. They know VERY well our habits- and how we tend to worship and revere anything that appears to be above ourselves. The beings who do embellish in this, even when appearing to give positive messages are actually beings who have mastered aspect of the light to such an extent where they can BEND it to their will, to create ILLUSION. Euphoria can be stimulated by stroking the ENS/ANS system, and thus some people when encountering these beings are stimulated at this level and are essentially at a docile level of believing they have attained bliss by being in the presence of these beings. This is NOT to say that truly, enlightened and awe-inspiring beings do not exist. BUT many of these false teachings found in pseudo-new age ufo movements are there to help do some things, in particular : Cover up the truth of the alien presence, make people rely on false hope, make people NOT TAKE ACTION IN THE NOW, make people forget about their OWN DIVINITY by admiring those who seem to have more.

My point? Do not discount the whole phenomenon because 90% of the followers of these belief systems are choosing to dis-empower themselves. IT IS possible to understand the truth of hyper dimensional, multi dimensional, astral, and extra-terrestial contact, AS WELL as be extremely grounded, physical, and CONSCIOUS of ones own surroundings. It has taken me years since my first awakening- but there is nothing more rewarding than the ability to harmonize as above so below, in all its rainbow prism.

Yes, most of the mentioned beliefs...well, they are there to distract you from the truth.YOUR PHYSICAL LIFE HERE IN THE NOW. YOUR BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE AS A DIVINE SPARK EXPERIENCING PHYSICALITY.

Do you want to know my opinion of how to connect to Source the most direct and easiest way? By not running away..into angels, aliens, astral projection, or whatever. But rather....into the NOW, the PHYSICAL PRESENT MOMENT. EVERY SINGLE thing in your life is an expression of your divine intent to exist.

[Trinity]

Hi Tony,

Hope all is well..

Firstly, How do you come to explain our ancient ancestors knowledge of our solar systems and astrology in general actually..
If the sumerian tablets were by chance deciphered correctly then I think that may well actually pose some interesting questions..
African were used as tools, slaves to develop landscapes, platforms in which white man "thrived" for thousands of years..
Is it not possible that the Annunaki did the same with us..?

This is of course if you are placing the Annunaki in the same frame..?

Kindest regards

Alex

[Tony]

The Divine as one could call it, which OUR true nature is pure, beyond the material, it never changes.

Everything else, Pleadian, underground tunnels, ball point pens etc exist because of causes and conditions!
If there are Pleiadians, they are conscious like us, like all sentient beings.

Bring your proof to the table.

[PurpleLama]

But, but, but, Mr. Tony, I am a Pleadian!

Of course, this isn't to say I can prove my own Absolute Existence, even to myself!

[Tony]

Posted by Trinity (here)
Hi Tony,

Hope all is well..

Firstly, How do you come to explain our ancient ancestors knowledge of our solar systems and astrology in general actually..
If the sumerian tablets were by chance deciphered correctly then I think that may well actually pose some interesting questions..
African were used as tools, slaves to develop landscapes, platforms in which white man "thrived" for thousands of years..
Is it not possible that the Annunaki did the same with us..?

This is of course if you are placing the Annunaki in the same frame..?

Kindest regards

Alex

Hello Alex,

You are talking about a knowledge of a relative existence.
It's not easy to get one's head around what IS reality!


All the best,
Tony

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Posted by PurpleLama (here)
But, but, but, Mr. Tony, I am a Pleadian!

Of course, this isn't to say I can prove my own Absolute Existence, even to myself!

Hello Purple Lama,

Saying you are a Pleadian, proves this is a relative existence the moment you say "I"!


Regards,
Tony

[Anchor]

LOL - I like this game.

This is also proof that despite the oft whispered rumors of the Pie'n'eals, they and the rest, also do not Absolutely exist.

[Tony]

Nothing is real!

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Posted by Anchor (here)
LOL - I like this game.

This is also proof that despite the oft whispered rumors of the Pie'n'eals, they and the rest, also do not Absolutely exist.

Absolutely!

[Tarka the Duck]

Just because something is real does not mean it is true.

[Hawkwind]

I agree that Pleadians et al don't exist any more or any less than human beings exist, any more or any less than this interchange of posts on this forum exists. I am, however, a bit confused as to why you seemingly devote so much energy to trying to alter the nature of other people's delusions. Other people don't exist any more or any less than you or I exist as separate conscience. Right? They are merely creations of mind. Right? Then doesn't the energy you put into changing other people's delusions merely draw you more deeply into your own delusion? If not, prove it!

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by Hawkwind (here)
I agree that Pleadians et al don't exist any more or any less than human beings exist, any more or any less than this interchange of posts on this forum exists. I am, however, a bit confused as to why you seemingly devote so much energy to trying to alter the nature of other people's delusions. Other people don't exist any more or any less than you or I exist as separate conscience. Right? They are merely creations of mind. Right? Then doesn't the energy you put into changing other people's delusions merely draw you more deeply into your own delusion? If not, prove it!

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[gooty64]

Sorry OP, I don't get this one. Nope not resonating. I'm going over to Galactic Channelings.....

[Tony]

Posted by Hawkwind (here)
I agree that Pleadians et al don't exist any more or any less than human beings exist, any more or any less than this interchange of posts on this forum exists. I am, however, a bit confused as to why you seemingly devote so much energy to trying to alter the nature of other people's delusions. Other people don't exist any more or any less than you or I exist as separate conscience. Right? They are merely creations of mind. Right? Then doesn't the energy you put into changing other people's delusions merely draw you more deeply into your own delusion? If not, prove it!

Hello Hawkwind,

Altering far from it, merely clarifying. We have a responsibility to others, it's called compassion. This is a natural radiance of pure being...we all have it!
Karmically we have been brought together, so we work together. People have a choice to stay suffering or not. Everyone in their own time will wake up, we all need a helping hand.

The more possibilities presented to the mind, the more choice there is.

This pure being has three qualities, it is untainted, knowing and compassionate. That is the proof. It has the ability to respond to others needs. Should one sit back and not counter the deception being played on people, certainly not. That is why we are here.


All the best,
Tony

[Wind]

There is no spoon?

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
There is no spoon?

Well, it will still hurt if you poke it in your eye!

[Cristian]

Hi pie'n'eal ,

Your buddhist views are a refreshing change from the usual perception of things.

They dont exist but then again neither do we.

However, I do want to ask you something...
If you see a burning house with 3 kids stuck inside would you go and help them? If yes why? If all is just a dream? And i agree it's a dream.

If you see a child about to be raped by a guy , or maybe by a reptilian, and you feel is in your power to stop that from happening ...would you step into duality and help him?
Is true that karma and stuff is the reason some of us experience this dream as a nightmare; so it's true it may be best, when looking at the big picture, not to intervene.

But the overhelming compassion and love you feel... It's hard to stay and meditate while everything is going downhill isn't it? How do one solves this paradox?


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didnt saw this when i posted , there is my answer i guess

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Altering far from it, merely clarifying. We have a responsibility to others, it's called compassion. This is a natural radiance of pure being...we all have it!
Karmically we have been brought together, so we work together. People have a choice to stay suffering or not. Everyone in their own time will wake up, we all need a helping hand.

The more possibilities presented to the mind, the more choice there is.

This pure being has three qualities, it is untainted, knowing and compassionate. That is the proof. It has the ability to respond to others needs. Should one sit back and not counter the deception being played on people, certainly not. That is why we are here.


All the best,
Tony

[Tony]

Posted by Chris82 (here)
Hi pie'n'eal ,

Your buddhist views are a refreshing change from the usual perception of things.

They dont exist but then again neither do we.

However, I do want to ask you something...
If you see a burning house with 3 kids stuck inside would you go and help them? If yes why? If all is just a dream? And i agree it's a dream.

If you see a child about to be raped by a guy , or maybe by a reptilian, and you feel is in your power to stop that from happening ...would you step into duality and help him?
Is true that karma and stuff is the reason some of us experience this dream as a nightmare; so it's true it may be best, when looking at the big picture, not to intervene.

But the overhelming compassion and love you feel... It's hard to stay and meditate while everything is going downhill isn't it? How do one solves this paradox?

Hello Chris,
This is a huge important subject you bring up, and it is to do with understanding the unity of two truths. One is the relative truth, of things seeming to exist and the other the absolute truth, that all things and mind are empty by nature. We have to respect the relative truth are work within it, as we are in this body. This body needs food and shelter, if we have the energy and generosity we can help others.


Meditation is just 'being'. One can 'be' in a cave, or one can 'be' with others it make no difference. There are many levels of understanding this.

Though one may see someone suffering or having a good time because of their karma, If we are in 'their' vicinity we are part of 'their' karma, for that moment....and they are part of ours!



Tony

[PurpleLama]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
But, but, but, Mr. Tony, I am a Pleadian!

Of course, this isn't to say I can prove my own Absolute Existence, even to myself!

Hello Purple Lama,

Saying you are a Pleadian, proves this is a relative existence the moment you say "I"!


Regards,
Tony

Hmmm....

I'm not sure so much that it's the "I" so much as the "am".

[Tony]

When one understands the two truths, everything becomes a symbolic teacher. Everything (a seemingly reality) has the nature of not truly existing (an absolute nature).
Like ourselves, we have a seeming reality- a feeling of me, which seems to exist, but we have an absolute reality which is constant which is just pure awareness.

Our absolute reality cannot be said to exist or not exist. If we say "I exist" we still have a duality. We cannot say "I do not exist" because who is saying this!
This is a very subtle business. In meditation there is just pure perception, there is no time to say " I am perceiving" because then one comes out of pure perception!

In the two truths one reflects the other, by virtue of one the other is known.


Tony

[Tony]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
But, but, but, Mr. Tony, I am a Pleadian!

Of course, this isn't to say I can prove my own Absolute Existence, even to myself!

Hello Purple Lama,

Saying you are a Pleadian, proves this is a relative existence the moment you say "I"!


Regards,
Tony

Hmmm....

I'm not sure so much that it's the "I" so much as the "am".

Ah! If it is "am" then that is "being".
A Pleadian also is "being" but are too busy mucking around in flying saucers, to know what to do! If they exist, compassion doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary.
Those that claim to speak to the Pleadians, don't tell us much do they? Compassion doesn't seem to be part of the 'chosen one's' vocabulary either.


It's good to "be",

Tony