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    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100820005843/en

    Quote Ron Paul: Left and the Right Demagogue Mosque, Islam

    LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:

    “Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

    “It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

    “The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

    “Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

    “Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

    “In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

    “They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

    “The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

    “The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

    “Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

    “This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

    “There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

    “If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

    “The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

    “Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

    “Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam--the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

    “It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

    “The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.

    “The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

    “This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

    “We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

    “Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.”
    Very accurate article and I don't usually agree with Mr.Paul. I think he knows the truth more than anyone else I've seen regarding this non-issue.

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    He's right about the smoke and mirrors.

    The economy continues to slide down the toilet. With the census workers laid off, the unemployment is back up (over double digits in many states), foreclosures continue, national debt grows at $3.9 billion a day, peoples' holdings are dwindling either due to increased expenses or inflation (remember when you could buy a 1/2 gallon of ice cream?), we as a nation march closer to facism and totalitarianism every day, we continue wars overseas that we can't afford.

    In the meantime, we are distracted by our bread (dignity cards) and circus (American Idol, sports, media created nonsense like celebrity break-up).

    Most of the members here have awakened, are on a spiritual path and should continue on it.

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    Yep. I knew Ron Paul had to be good for something. If he runs for President, I'm certainly tempted. He'd have to keep his son Rand on a leash though. I strongly dislike Rand.

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    Ron > Rand

    If I decide to vote, and Ron's in the running, he's my guy.

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    It's too bad this will get little or no coverage in the mainstream. It doesn't fit the agenda.

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    a clip, w/URL if anyone wants to read the full article, supporting Ron Paul's statement:

    Masterminds, Mosques and Mass Insanity: “War on Terrorism” Propaganda Ratcheted up Ahead of War Escalation

    By Larry Chin

    URL of this article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=20703

    Global Research, August 20, 2010

    Exemplified by the furor over the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” in New York, and rumors of a new Al-Qaeda “mastermind”, 9/11 “war on terrorism” propaganda has been ramped up to deafening levels by various political factions.



    Nearly a decade since Bush/Cheney’s 9/11 false flag deception, a fearful, self-destructive American mass public remains fully brainwashed by “war on terrorism” deception--- ignorant of history, and militantly oblivious to facts.



    “Ground Zero mosque”: the art of missing the point



    The ludicrous uproar over plans to build a Muslim community center in New York, the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” has dominated mainstream corporate news headlines. Political players from all sides, including President Barack Obama have joined the fray, attempting to prove themselves the superior “anti-terrorist”, or the better “commemorator of 9/11, when 3,000 people were killed by Muslim terrorists”. The right-wing is going berserk, gleefully.



    Heated arguments have exploded around religion, tolerance, democracy, etc.---everything except the only fact that matters: 9/11 was a false flag operation, courtesy of the Bush-Cheney administration, carried out by an elite consensus, in order to justify the “war on terrorism”, and everything that came with it. Mass murder. Unending resource conquest. A police state within US borders. Open criminality.



    The perpetual threat posed by a fabricated outside enemy, and a militarized, fearful populace, remain the centerpieces of elite policy, and they have been consistently maintained by both Bush/Cheney and Obama administrations. The demonization of Muslims continues to facilitate pillage.



    While violent hatred continues to be directed at Muslims (and all “foreigners”), the criminals who truly massacred 3,000 people in the World Trade Center continue to enjoy power, wealth, and high positions of world “leadership” and remain in control of virtually every aspect of society. Those who perpetuate the cover-up (including the Obama administration) still “run the world”, to mass public enthusiasm.



    As the “Ground Zero mosque” mushrooms into a full-blown election year battle cry by one faction or another, not whisper of truth appears in any corporate media coverage. Meanwhile, the exhaustive and available information thoroughly exposing and destroying the official “war on terrorism” narrative is unknown to a minority of people whose critical faculties remain intact.



    Mike Ruppert’s Crossing the Rubicon exposed why and how 9/11 was likely carried out by Bush/Cheney. Michel Chossudovsky’s America’s “War on Terrorism” thoroughly exposed the 9/11 deception, as well as the fact that 1) the “war on terrorism” is a fabrication that serves as the eternal pretext for global war, and that 2) “Al-Qaeda” and other “Islamic jihad” front are military-intelligence assets that have been continuously supported, managed and “run” by the CIA and affiliates such as Pakistan’s ISI on behalf of Anglo-American geostrategic interests (notably oil) going back to the Cold War. A vast number of researchers (all derided as “9/11 truthers”) such David Ray Griffin continue to detail various aspects of the case including physical evidence.



    Oblivious to the availability of this mountain of “conspiracy fact”, the vast majority of the population chooses to embrace the Big Lie.



    New “Al-Qaeda” mastermind named



    In recent weeks, mainstream corporate news headlines have exploded with the “revelation” that “Al-Qaeda” has a new leader of global operations “in charge of planning future attacks”: Adnan Shukrijumah



    According to Miami-based FBI counterterrorism agent Greg LeBlanc, whose Associated Press interview in early August is the single source for the new spate of repeated headlines, Shukrijumah is alleged to be a 15-year resident of the US “intimately familiar with American society”, and is the son of a Muslim cleric trained in Saudi Arabia. He have lived in Miramar, Florida before joining terror training camps in Afghanistan in the 1990s, in order to fight the persecution of Muslims in Bosnia, Chechnya and elsewhere.

    Tagged by LeBlanc as the successor to his former boss Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), and taking orders directly from Osama bin Laden. A clip of Shukrijumah posted by the FBI is gibberish.



    There is nothing new about the Shukrijumah narrative. It is an intelligence “legend” years in the making.



    Chaim Kupferberg, whose classic analysis of post-9/11 “terror” propaganda (Part 1 and Part Two) are definitive, offered the following thoughts on Shukrijumah in 2004 in a piece titled The "Official" Operative Clique for the Next 9/11.

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    Default Ron Paul "This Is Much Bigger Than The Great Depression!"

    Open your eyes and you will see, open your heart and your will feel.

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    Default Re: Ron Paul "This Is Much Bigger Than The Great Depression!"

    Find the online videos of Chris Martenson. Scary! Yes, this is going to be bad for many.

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    Default Re: Ron Paul "This Is Much Bigger Than The Great Depression!"

    You know, Ron Paul does have his moments of brilliance.

    But, until we see large food lines and stockbrokers jumping out of windows, there's no way this current economic situation even comes close to the Great Depression.

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    Default Re: Ron Paul "This Is Much Bigger Than The Great Depression!"

    Quote Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
    But, until we see large food lines and stockbrokers jumping out of windows, there's no way this current economic situation even comes close to the Great Depression.
    1. There would be no food lines, because it's handled with food stamps now. About 40 million of them.
    2. The few stockbrockers that jumped in the 30's, did that because they did lost everything, and still have hell to pay. Due federal regulations and securities, there is no such situation now. That's part of "Moral Hazard" problem .. when you can take risks knowing you would not have to pay for looses, you will never, ever leave the casino.

    When you design a building, you make it to bend before it will break, so the people would evacuate in time. With current "building" walls are propped with so many clever "devices" no one really knows when critical failure will happen. One day gravity will do its thing. One thing for sure: looking at how normal building went down is no help in current scenario.
    Last edited by Luke; 21st September 2010 at 13:15. Reason: added source for food stamp number, grammar

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    Quote Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
    You know, Ron Paul does have his moments of brilliance.

    But, until we see large food lines and stockbrokers jumping out of windows, there's no way this current economic situation even comes close to the Great Depression.
    I wouldn't discount it. When the world gets tired of the dollar, it may be dumped as the world's reserve currency. Then all that printing the Fed Res did under the four stimulus bills as well as the mini-stimulus bills will come back to haunt us. Our dollars return home and our currency hyper-inflates. Over night savings will be destroyed. Hyper-inflation happened in the Confederacy here in America, Weimar Germany and more recently, Zimbabwe.

    I also don't rely on government statistics on unemployment or GDP. When the numbers don't look good, they eliminate a factor to cause it to buoy up. ShadowStats still calculates figures as they were originally done. Unemployment is much higher than the 9.5% the government tells us about. Folks who don't qualify for unemployment aren't counted anymore and fall off the radar. About 40% of Americans don't pay taxes and 30% (or so) are living on Government support.

    The bright side is that all this "economic" situation is man made. The important thing to focus on is spiritual salvation.

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    Default Congressman Ron Paul UNLEASHES On the TSA: “Enough Is Enough”!

    Here Here Ron Paul...

    In perhaps his most impassioned and irate speech to date, Congressman Ron Paul unleashed a tirade of vilification at the TSA and their security procedures that have stoked nationwide outrage, stating “enough is enough” as he introduced new legislation to that would open the way for TSA employees to be sued for groping Americans or putting them through dangerous naked body scanners, preventing travelers ‘from being treated like cattle’.



    Ron Paul introduced legislation to protect Americans from physical and emotional abuse by federal Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employees conducting screenings at the nation’s airports:

    A BILL – HR 6416

    To ensure that certain Federal employees cannot hide behind immunity.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. NO IMMUNITY FOR CERTAIN AIRPORT SCREENING METHODS.

    No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual’s body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft. The preceding sentence shall apply even if the individual or the individual’s parent, guardian, or any other individual gives consent.
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    How could one even want such a TSA job... ?
    Not my kind of American Dream.
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    Perhaps perverts are lining up for these jobs

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    Is this the only sane person left in Congress? At least the one with the most guts and fire! Love Ron Paul. A true stateman!

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    Quote No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual’s body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft.
    That's my man!!

    Conk;
    He has been the ONLY sane person in congress for 30 years!

    This is why everyone else in Congress calls him a kook. Because he loves liberty above all else.
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    Ron Paul takes enormous personal risks making the statements he makes. Although we are all human and surely he also has skeletons in his closet, if certain factions we able to pin a salacious affair, financial ill-dealings, or other sordid acts on Ron Paul they would have done it by now, which is a testament to his character. That is not to say that at some point he will not have crossed the line and something will have to be done to correct the situation. Remember Paul Wellstone's "plane accident"? There are others who have already paid the price for having the courage to speak truth to power.

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    Default Re: Congressan Ron Paul UNLEASHES On the TSA: “Enough Is Enough”!

    Ank;
    Like I said above, he has a proven, 30 year history of saying exactly this kind of thing. And the so-called skeletons have been made up. I have been reading and listening to this man for almost 20 years. He is one of a kind.

    If anyone has an interest, you can go over a collection of articles, and later videos, and speeches before congress, that go back to 1994 right here.

    This speech is not, repeat NOT uncommon. It's just good ol' Ron Paul on a Thursday
    Fred

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    Well, he doesn't believe in liberty about everything...he does think states should outlaw abortion because of his religious beliefs. But I'm glad he's taking on this issue.

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    Fredkc I am an admirer of Ron Paul and have been for a long time. While I may not always agree with each and every position he takes on political issues there is an inner consistency and cohesiveness overall to Ron's positions on public policy issues that indicates that he is a man of integrity, honesty and true character, a rare phenomenon in political life. He is a one-in-a-million man in that sense. Unfortunately there are not many like him in the political realm or elsewhere!

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    p.s. saramay - I believe Ron's position on abortion is that it is a state's rights issue, not one with which the US government should be dealing, which would be consistent with his very traditional conservative views of reducing the power and authority of the Federal Government in deference to the more representative decentralized power of the States who after all should be closer to the people and whose policies should therefor be more truly representative of the divergent views at that level. But maybe I am wrong about this.

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