Vatican Secrets EXPOSED!

[Lost Soul]

I don't believe every assertion made by Mr. Jordan, but I think he's more right than wrong. Like him, I have no love for the organization known as the Catholic Church. Unlike him, I think Hay-suess (Jesus) actually lived among mankind.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)


What philosophy, RedeZra? What 'ism'?
Jordan Maxwell is just sharing his findings with us. It was all there - he just uncovered it.

He doesn't like the Vatican and what the church has done to minds and hearts of the human race - and really, who could blame him considering what he knows about it?

I can't see any neurons firing

there is an industry in dissing Christianity Creation Christ


if you really believe the church is behind the crime and corruption

then you have not done your own investigations


lazy listening to Maxwell does not qualify as research

at best you will get almost every interpretation wrong


what has Christianity done to you ?

you think it's too strict ?

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
I can't see any neurons firing

there is an industry in dissing Christianity Creation Christ


if you really believe the church is behind the crime and corruption

then you have not done your own investigations


lazy listening to Maxwell does not qualify as research

at best you will get almost every interpretation wrong


what has Christianity done to you ?

you think it's too strict ?

RedeZra, I've looked quite closely into the origins of Christianity and it really is quite a confused mess with an extremely violent beginning.

What has Christianity done to me?

Well it took the mysteries and the spiritual knowledge that was known to mankind and it burnt them or locked them away and it gave the people a glossy version of a sacrificed saviour that we had to please and not question in order to attain salvation.

It gave humanity a trap to keep it from knowing itself.
It ripped humanity off.That's what Christianity did to me.

But I don't take it personally.

[PathWalker]

1. Christianity is not the Catholic church. Catholic church is a branch of Christianity.
2. Jesus lived as a person. There are Hebrew scripts from the time mentioning him as a miracle man, threat the organized religion.
3. Christianity is not Jesus teachings. In order to learn his teaching learn the gnostic. Jesus wrote nothing, all is written by second ear from his disciples.
4. The myth is more important and effective then the truth.

[Teakai]

Posted by PathWalker (here)
1. Christianity is not the Catholic church. Catholic church is a branch of Christianity.2. Jesus lived as a person. There are Hebrew scripts from the time mentioning him as a miracle man, threat the organized religion.
3. Christianity is not Jesus teachings. In order to learn his teaching learn the gnostic. Jesus wrote nothing, all is written by second ear from his disciples.
4. The myth is more important and effective then the truth.

I rather think it might be, PathWalker. Christianity became Christianity with Constantine. They ammassed all sorts of assorted scriptures around at the time into what has eventually become the bible - except the gnostic scriptures - which is the most fundamental part.

I'm not denying that Jesus existed as a person - but he was a person who knew the mysteries.
Luke 8:10 - He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
These are the gnostic scriptures and they existed well before Jesus came along - and they haven't been included in the Christian bible. The Christian church did everything in their power to get rid of those who knew the mysteries while keeping the knowledge for themsleves.


How is the myth more effective than the truth? Effective to whom?

[Beren]

Posted by Teakai (here)
I rather think it might be, PathWalker. Christianity became Christianity with Constantine. They ammassed all sorts of assorted scriptures around at the time into what has eventually become the bible - except the gnostic scriptures - which is the most fundamental part.

I'm not denying that Jesus existed as a person - but he was a person who knew the mysteries.
Luke 8:10 - He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
These are the gnostic scriptures and they existed well before Jesus came along - and they haven't been included in the Christian bible. The Christian church did everything in their power to get rid of those who knew the mysteries while keeping the knowledge for themsleves.


How is the myth more effective than the truth? Effective to whom?

Teakai if you read in gospels what were Jesus's words you would be amazed of the truth in them. Also you would see how every organized religion failed whom claims that it's exclusively Christ's.
Jesus would be first to condemn and disagree with all of them today. And he is.
It's a distraction to talk about Bible not being valid and all the teachings surrounding it.
People talk too much about religions and Churches yet they fail to even read and get the message from the Bible and Jesus itself.
If you read the Bible and Jesus's words you will clearly see that religions DO NOT practice those truths that Jesus uttered.

So is then Jesus wrong or people who fashion and bend the truth ?
Jesus is same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Certain people realized that they will have a material gain and power control if they twist Bible and Jesus's words, if they impose themselves as teachers and masters under Christ. In fact Christ didn't even ask them to do so.
But all was allowed in order that everyone will show whom they trust- man or God.

[Teakai]

Posted by Beren (here)
Teakai if you read in gospels what were Jesus's words you would be amazed of the truth in them. Also you would see how every organized religion failed whom claims that it's exclusively Christ's.
Jesus would be first to condemn and disagree with all of them today. And he is.
It's a distraction to talk about Bible not being valid and all the teachings surrounding it.
People talk too much about religions and Churches yet they fail to even read and get the message from the Bible and Jesus itself.
If you read the Bible and Jesus's words you will clearly see that religions DO NOT practice those truths that Jesus uttered.

So is then Jesus wrong or people who fashion and bend the truth ?
Jesus is same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Certain people realized that they will have a material gain and power control if they twist Bible and Jesus's words, if they impose themselves as teachers and masters under Christ. In fact Christ didn't even ask them to do so.
But all was allowed in order that everyone will show whom they trust- man or God.

Beren, I'm not saying that the words attributed to Jesus aren't wise - What I am saying is that all that we have is gloss. The real secret of the kingdom isn't to be found in the bible we have today.

Jesus wasn't into religion - so why would anyone who took notice of what he said then go and embrace 'organised religion'? It seems somewhat contradictory.

Personally, I think organised religion itself is the distraction - but that's just me.

Am curious as to what you meant with this: Also you would see how every organized religion failed whom claims that it's exclusively Christ's.

Failed in what way - spiritually or financially?

[Beren]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Beren, I'm not saying that the words attributed to Jesus aren't wise - What I am saying is that all that we have is gloss. The real secret of the kingdom isn't to be found in the bible we have today.

Jesus wasn't into religion - so why would anyone who took notice of what he said then go and embrace 'organised religion'? It seems somewhat contradictory.

Personally, I think organised religion itself is the distraction - but that's just me.

Am curious as to what you meant with this: Also you would see how every organized religion failed whom claims that it's exclusively Christ's.

Failed in what way - spiritually or financially?

Teakai, exactly when you read Bible from new testament onwards where Jesus was dealing with people you would find eternal truths spoken there. You just need to read the story and follow what is said there. Take any modern Bible and you will find what I am saying. There is a website ww.biblegateway.com and they have dozens of translations but the core of the message stays the same. You just need to read it to see for your self. Claiming that something is untrue may be right but you need to check it first. And also you would find on the end of last gospel ,in John this verse : 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

So true we have just small parts of his life on Earth.

Now related to your question;
Organized religion failed spiritually ,utterly since they abandoned the very words written in the very Bible whom they claim for their own.
They chose to gain power and money through history thus not teaching the truth to the people.
They would portrait Jesus totally awkward and many time simply not true. As majority was illiterate and couldn't read the Bible and all sacred texts ,they used that and bluntly lied people.
Vatican even forbid translating Bible from dead Latin to spoken languages. William Tindale paid with his life for translating bible to English...
They didn't want people to see for themselves the truth written down.
But now here comes the catch ,even when people become literate ,they imposed fear on them that if they not listen to the Church they will burn in hell-which is a blunt lie.
SO they used the very thing to control people-fear ,fear -the same thing that Jesus said that should not rule us- for we are of Love!

You can see in Bible that Jesus asked us to love God and each other.

Still people are afraid of lies imposed long time ago and they do not dare to search the truth for themselves. Also they threaten people and actually killed millions during dark ages . WHo ever was not complying with the Vatican and rest of the crew ,they had to die.
Now Jesus is watching all that and will act soon, woe to them that turns light into darkness and reverse.
Because of Vatican and their actions in history ,many hate God and Jesus. Because of impostors ,people spit on the very name of God...

But in the end all is allowed that man will show his heart ,either trust Creator of life or trust in deceiving men...

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)
RedeZra, I've looked quite closely into the origins of Christianity and it really is quite a confused mess with an extremely violent beginning.

What has Christianity done to me?

Well it took the mysteries and the spiritual knowledge that was known to mankind and it burnt them or locked them away and it gave the people a glossy version of a sacrificed saviour that we had to please and not question in order to attain salvation.

It gave humanity a trap to keep it from knowing itself.
It ripped humanity off.That's what Christianity did to me.

Christians were the victims of the extreme violence first from Jerusalem then from Rome until Constantine I rose to Roman Emperor - and with the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaimed religious tolerance of Christians throughout the empire

the extinction of the light which was Rome the Plague of Justinian and the Black Death afflicted the Church too - the Dark Ages was a time of darkness for everyone

Christianity has for 2000 years of ups n downs persevered to proclaim Christ as a Counselor on our journey back to our spiritual selves

spirituality is a practical application of spiritual values in every day life


spiritism on the other side is a spiritual dead end which is mostly concerned with the channel counsel and communication of spirits shrouded in secrecy for it cannot stand the light of day

if spiritism is what you seek then be my guest but I doubt that any good will come out of it

[wynderer]

i am a Christian because of powerful personal experiences/meetings w/Jesus as both the Living Christ & as Jesus, my friend -- imo, there is a huge difference between the Christ & Christianity -- the Vatican that Jordan Maxwell exposes is not of Christ --it's all about money & worldly power, & worse

Linda Moulton Howe & other researchers have learned & pointed out that those of the demonic realm & abducting ETs can be stopped by the Name of Jesus Christ -- no other name stops them -- i have had personal experiences that validate this

the big problem for me has been --where do benevolent ETs fit into this? my current understanding is that Jesus took on all the karma of all Earth humans, past, present, & future, when on the Cross , thus giving us a way out of this mess, a way out for those of us trapped in the reincarnational time loop set up by the Reptilians & other beings in the service of the darkside[here on planet Earth]-- & that, just as there are Angels & others in the higher spiritual realms who are helping us, helping Him help us, there are also ETs who are in His service -- i.e., in the service of Love -

[RedeZra]

Posted by wynderer (here)
there is a huge difference between the Christ & Christianity -- the Vatican that Jordan Maxwell exposes is not of Christ --it's all about money & worldly power, & worse

Linda Moulton Howe & other researchers have learned & pointed out that those of the demonic realm & abducting ETs can be stopped by the Name of Jesus Christ -- no other name stops them -- i have had personal experiences that validate this

yes Jesus is a valid Name and Form for the Great nameless and formless God

when all hope is lost He is just a heartbeat away awaiting the call

there are many stories about people in danger and despair hearing a voice which says 'call on Me' or 'say My name'

one can argue why do one have to make the call - can't He just butt in to help

no because He respects our free will He will generally not interfere unless invited to do so


Christianity has kept His name High for 2000 years so we even today might know Him

Christians are humans too - so prone to error - but this past century has seen an unprecedented infiltration and infestation of unbelievers reaching the very top of the Church hierarchy in order to subvert it

these unbelievers come from the same secretive organisation which has wrestled the power from legal governments - so I'm not impressed when they try to smear the Church

it's like throwing dirt on it and then invite you over to look at the mess - but they don't take credit for the dirt do they

as I've said many times before the Vatican has been split before you were born - but don't make the mistake thinking Christianity is better off without a Church

if that was allowed to happen then Christ would be a myth in the minds of men in a generation or so

[Teakai]

Posted by Beren (here)
Teakai, exactly when you read Bible from new testament onwards where Jesus was dealing with people you would find eternal truths spoken there. You just need to read the story and follow what is said there. Take any modern Bible and you will find what I am saying. There is a website ww.biblegateway.com and they have dozens of translations but the core of the message stays the same. You just need to read it to see for your self. Claiming that something is untrue may be right but you need to check it first. And also you would find on the end of last gospel ,in John this verse : 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

So true we have just small parts of his life on Earth.

Now related to your question;
Organized religion failed spiritually ,utterly since they abandoned the very words written in the very Bible whom they claim for their own.
They chose to gain power and money through history thus not teaching the truth to the people.
They would portrait Jesus totally awkward and many time simply not true. As majority was illiterate and couldn't read the Bible and all sacred texts ,they used that and bluntly lied people.
Vatican even forbid translating Bible from dead Latin to spoken languages. William Tindale paid with his life for translating bible to English...
They didn't want people to see for themselves the truth written down.
But now here comes the catch ,even when people become literate ,they imposed fear on them that if they not listen to the Church they will burn in hell-which is a blunt lie.
SO they used the very thing to control people-fear ,fear -the same thing that Jesus said that should not rule us- for we are of Love!

You can see in Bible that Jesus asked us to love God and each other.

Still people are afraid of lies imposed long time ago and they do not dare to search the truth for themselves. Also they threaten people and actually killed millions during dark ages . WHo ever was not complying with the Vatican and rest of the crew ,they had to die.
Now Jesus is watching all that and will act soon, woe to them that turns light into darkness and reverse.
Because of Vatican and their actions in history ,many hate God and Jesus. Because of impostors ,people spit on the very name of God...

But in the end all is allowed that man will show his heart ,either trust Creator of life or trust in deceiving men...

I'm just saying Organised Christianity or the bible we have today is not a lesson in how to acheive enlightenment. There are hints, but nothing definite.

The lesson is that there is a saviour outside yourself who will save you so long as you're good - and if you have to suffer, well, don't complain, Jesus suffered more than all and he did it for you (feel the guilt). It sets the board for non questioning, blindly accepting mindset that refuses to explore the reality of itself beyond the existence of a book.


Christianity all began with the Roman Catholic church and it was a lying, conquering,power hungry murderer who oversaw the assembling of the first bible version - selected from amongst assorted religious orders who found it terribly difficult to agree on what was what - I seriously don't think we would have gotten anything that gave us any real knowledge or power.




One can take the words that Jesus said and find much of sense to be had in them. There were/are plenty of wise men who have said very wise things - but adopting and identifying with just one of them or the religion built around him excludes the rest and separates one from their fellow man.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)
I'm just saying Organised Christianity or the bible we have today is not a lesson in how to acheive enlightenment. There are hints, but nothing definite.

actually patience and faith are all you need

patience because things take time

faith because that is the spark that in time will turn into a campfire

faith in what

faith in God

but God is formless

yes but now you have a form in Jesus Christ to help you along the way to Enlightenment

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Christians were the victims of the extreme violence first from Jerusalem then from Rome until Constantine I rose to Roman Emperor - and with the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaimed religious tolerance of Christians throughout the empire

the extinction of the light which was Rome the Plague of Justinian and the Black Death afflicted the Church too - the Dark Ages was a time of darkness for everyone

Christianity has for 2000 years of ups n downs persevered to proclaim Christ as a Counselor on our journey back to our spiritual selves

spirituality is a practical application of spiritual values in every day life


spiritism on the other side is a spiritual dead end which is mostly concerned with the channel counsel and communication of spirits shrouded in secrecy for it cannot stand the light of day

if spiritism is what you seek then be my guest but I doubt that any good will come out of it

RedeZra, the Cathars were probably closest we know of in history to practising what Jesus spoke of in the bible as to practising love and equality - they were all killed off by the roman catholic church.

Constantine merely wanted a united rule - not one broken up by warring religious factions.

The roman catholic church is responsible for the dark ages and it survived because it forced it's beliefs, murdered heretics and anyone who didn't conform and ruled by fear and guilt with the promise of eternal salvation if you behaved yourself and didn't go questioning the doctrine.

Jesus is the carrot that's leading the donkey that's pulling the cart.

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
actually patience and faith are all you need

patience because things take time

faith because that is the spark that in time will turn into a campfire

faith in what

faith in God

but God is formless

yes but now you have a form in Jesus Christ to help you along the way to Enlightenment

I disagree, RedeZra - what people need to do is to discover who they are and to get out from under the veil, religious or political or social that has been used to delude them into believing a false reality which has had the effect of making them victims of their own lives.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)
I disagree, RedeZra - what people need to do is to discover who they are and to get out from under the veil, religious or political or social that has been used to delude them into believing a false reality which has had the effect of making them victims of their own lives.

it doesn't matter

behave and be good

and you're on your way

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
it doesn't matter

behave and be good

and you're on your way

but above all - man, know thyself.

[truthseekerdan]

Jesus also known as The Christ was a BE-ing (while in 3D) more advanced spiritually than human BE-ings are and were at the time He walked on this Earth.
The BE-ing that we call Jesus volunteered to (re)incarnate with the mission to bring the knowledge that was 'lost' or not known to the common people, and teach it to whoever was spiritually ready to receive 'the message'. (Psalm 82) & (John 10:34)

Now Jesus does not have anything to do with Christianity or in fact any other religion. His mission was to awaken 'The God Spark' (I AM Spirit) in people, since we are/live in this world not remembering who we really are. When Jesus made the following statement: "I AM the only way; the only truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through him". Means: His way of living is to forgive everything you feel as injustice against you, through Unconditional Love. That way we reflect 'our true God essence' of what we really are. (Matthew 13:9)

Be All You Can Be - LOVE -

Dan

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai
but above all - man, know thyself.

yes but that does not imply chasing butterflies or beautiful lies



Jesus Christ established the Church of Chrisitianity

as the Father gave authority to Christ gave authority to his Apostles gave authority to those they appointed bishops

the bishops congregated in regional church councils as early as the 2nd century to resolve doctrinal and policy issues and when the bishops met in Nicaea in 325 it was to consolidate and confirm a creed which would unite the churches as universal or Catholic

the Catholic church has had much chalks fall off up through history because of disagreements with doctrine or the Papacy


when the light which was Rome blew out there was Darkness in Europe and unprotected Popes grew insecure about their positions amongst powerful Monarchs

so there has been unfortunate alliances between Popes and Kings and also downright mistakes commited by the Catholic church

some have by bribe or simony like Rodrigo Borgia in 1492 risen high in the Church hierarchy to occupy the very Seat of Peter for selfish ambitions and greed


today Chrisitianity is divided into many denominations but Christ is the common denominator


if it wasn't for Christianity we would not know about Jesus

we would probably all be pagans muslims or maybe mongols

Pope Leo I met with Attila the Hun in 452 outside Rome and persuaded him to turn back and give up the conquest of Western Europe

the Muslim conquest crystalized Europe into Christianity and the Crusades


look human history is a history of conquest

it matters not the religion or the lack of it

blood will be spilt for power and perversions


Christianity has certainly not been an innocent bystander in the power politics of the world but since Napoleon it has had no political power nor any influence worth mentioning whatsoever except that it has kept the Name of Jesus Christ on High

this of course is not acceptable for the dark forces in the world - for there is Power in that Name


the Vatican II (1962-65) shows that the Catholic church has been somewhat successfully subverted but it's hardly nothing to be happy about because the infiltraitors take their orders from those that run our governments


in closing Christianity does not deserve the contempt and the character assassination attempt perpetrated by those who serve self or some luminous light called Lucifer


if Christ did not want Christianity then the Church would crumble and fall a long time ago

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Matthew 16:18

if anyone wants to see it destroyed then pick a number and get behind Satan

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by RedeZra (here)



if Christ did not want Christianity then the Church would crumble and fall a long time ago





if anyone wants to see it destroyed then pick a number and get behind Satan

The sad part RedeZra is that many don't know what Christ or Satan polarities stand for, including yourself...