Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods

[Cjay]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
Norman- I suggest that you do not live in a country where you can obtain medical treatment completely without cost and medications are heavily subsidised. Being ill will possibly mean you cannot work, but it will not mean you cannot get treatment freely in a country with a free health scheme.

I do live in a country where free doctors visits are available and the medicine is heavily subsidised. I very rarely go to a doctor and usually only for things such as broken bones or deep lacerations requiring sutures. I avoid medicines like the plague. I eat moderate amounts of healthy, unprocessed food. I exercise although I could do more. I hardly ever get sick.

The answer to good health is NOT free or cheap health care - though it helps a lot in emergencies. Cheap subsudised medicines are mostly poisons with a list of horrendous side effects longer than this page.

[BMJ]

The reason Europeans don't get sick is because most foods they eat are "home made from scratch and made with the goodstuff like salt, pepper, garlic and onions for taste". Mixed with a healthly like of exercise such as cycling.

Unlike here is Australia and similiarly in the USA where Hunger Jack's, Macca's are a great meal any time of dayand a lack of exercise is usually the norm, which leads to health problems in your 20's.

So if you want to be health, throw out the processed foods, and only have them as treat once in a while. Make as much of your meals as you can from scratch, hydrate with water as much as you can stomach and find an activate you enjoy , (and im not talking about sex), in which you can participate in several times a week that is going to raise you heart beat for at least 30 minutes a time.

[K626]

One of the best things about the UK is free basic healthcare for everybody. The NHS as it stands turns out to be quite efficent as well when compared to say Germany and its money grabbing insurance system that is abused by hospitals and doctors to milk money from the insurance companies.

K

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Healthy Skeptic (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
Yes, Americans are fat. The primary cause of obesity is poor quality food -- low nutritional content, excessive sugars and industrially processed light oils, and numerous toxins.

And whose 'fault' is that?
It's far more easier to go to a Fast Food chain and buy 'super-sized' meals than to, 'shock & horror', actually cook good food for oneself because it 'takes too long'.

Even most of the "food" and most ingredients for preparing "food" at home that American's can buy in the grocery store is junk. Nutritional guidance from doctors is junk. Advertising and popular books on nutrition are mostly junk.

A major topic that I find myself studying and discussing with others on this forum is nutrition. It takes each individual person who so chooses substantial time, effort and initiative to learn what is healthy, to discard habits and learning that had been junk, and to completely rebuild their diet in a healthy manner.

It is absolutely each individual person's responsibility to choose a healthy diet for themselves and their children.

But it is also, at another level, absolutely the fault of major pharmaceutical, agriculture, medical, insurance, education, media, retail, manufacturing, municipal water utilities, chemical, and other interests and some powerful families behind those interests that traditional healthy food traditions, culture and economics of a century ago have been massively displaced with junk ... deadly junk ... slow killing toxic poisons.

I would encourage anyone who has not made the effort to rebuild their diet from the ground up. It's one of the best investments one can make in one's health and well being. But it's not easy. I've spent several years of time, money and effort on this myself, and I'm still learning, still making critical changes that make a vital difference to my well being.

[BMJ]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Healthy Skeptic (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
Yes, Americans are fat. The primary cause of obesity is poor quality food -- low nutritional content, excessive sugars and industrially processed light oils, and numerous toxins.

And whose 'fault' is that?
It's far more easier to go to a Fast Food chain and buy 'super-sized' meals than to, 'shock & horror', actually cook good food for oneself because it 'takes too long'.

Even most of the "food" and most ingredients for preparing "food" at home that American's can buy in the grocery store is junk. Nutritional guidance from doctors is junk. Advertising and popular books on nutrition are mostly junk.

A major topic that I find myself studying and discussing with others on this forum is nutrition. It takes each individual person who so chooses substantial time, effort and initiative to learn what is healthy, to discard habits and learning that had been junk, and to completely rebuild their diet in a healthy manner.

It is absolutely each individual person's responsibility to choose a healthy diet for themselves and their children.

But it is also, at another level, absolutely the fault of major pharmaceutical, agriculture, medical, insurance, education, media, retail, manufacturing, municipal water utilities, chemical, and other interests and some powerful families behind those interests that traditional healthy food traditions, culture and economics of a century ago have been massively displaced with junk ... deadly junk ... slow killing toxic poisons.

I would encourage anyone who has not made the effort to rebuild their diet from the ground up. It's one of the best investments one can make in one's health and well being. But it's not easy. I've spent several years of time, money and effort on this myself, and I'm still learning, still making critical changes that make a vital difference to my well being.

I like your post Paul very well put.

[MorningSong]

I must agree with Paul's post above... whenever I return to the States, I have the hardest time just finding a type of rice in the grocery that I can use to make a decent risotto.... even the well-known Italian brands of olive oil or pasta sold in the US are different compared to what I am used to here!

I learned how to cook over here, mostly, and so getting comparable raw materials for the way I am used to cooking is just a real feat for me in the States.

As for the industrialized, prepared foods... the supermarkets are full of those here...and in these times of crises, are on sale moreso than the raw materials I prefer to buy. That makes them very attractinve and inviting to a bunch of people, I'm sure. But I'll tell you, my spaghetti sauce is a h*ll of a lot better tasting and genuine that any of that bottled stuff!

Another lie, is that is doesn't take that much more time to cook up a nice risotto (or much of anything else, for that matter) than it does to thaw out and bake a prepped industrial lasagna (full of stuff you can't even decifer if you look at the ingredients on the packaging....) and even cost-wise is just NOT such a good deal buying it ready-made.

One interesting thing...my mother suffers from high colesterol, takes all the meds and does her exams...in the States. But! when she comes here (usually for a month at a time) and eats what we eat, she goes home in so much better shape... her exams are aways better, if not more than normal for a while. Put that one in the think tank!

[Reinhard]

Posted by Ellisa (here)

And (this will sound harsh)-- Americans seem to eat very large amounts of food, much, much larger than elsewhere. Maybe as well as the obvious result of this over-eating, chemicals etc. are also absorbed way over the safe limit.

Right! And another take on this, which, from a systemic point of view, adds another highly dangerous vicious circle to the mentioned ones: eating a lot of that kind of food accelerates the unbalance, or, paradoxically: a fat person is starving!

[blufire]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by sdv (here)

.......GMOs have failed in what they were supposed to do.

Drought-resistant and insect-resistant crops have been genetaically engineered. What a wonderful idea - we are protected against the ravages of drought and we don't have to use toxic pesticides.......

As I understand it in the agricultural sector, where I have a little experience, the general idea was to engineer plants that were actually "pesticide" and " insecticide" resistant so that the industry could spray even heavier doses of the those chemicals to wipe out all but the selected GMOs.

I don't know how many of you realise this, but, for many years wheat growers have been finishing off wheat crops, just 2 weeks prior to the combine harvesters going in, with 'Roundup', the well known weed killer. It actually kills the wheat, which has the effect of making all the wheat arrive at the same "ripe ?" state at exactly the same time, timed to the day for the harvesters to crop a maximum yield.

I think people should look a bit deeper into the actual GMO developments a little more to differentiate between the fantastic ideas that it COULD be about from the purely mercenary and economic practises that are really going on. There's a huge difference between a GMO that resists insects and a GMO that resists the chemicals they spray to kill insects and 'weeds'.

Have GMO’s failed in what they were supposed to do? I believe we don’t or won’t even except the primary reason(s) for their use.

Both sdv and Norman even have the information that we are ‘given’ basically wrong . . . so how in the world can we accept the actual truth and reasons for the creation of these very specific modifications of the genetic amino acids and proteins of these plant foods . . . . a clue . . . amino acids and proteins are the building blocks of life and our molecular structure.

But again . . . like the chemtrails that have all but stopped globally we will begin to see gmo’s reduce as well.

We are given the information and we have the free will to make our own personal choices and path.

It is like the commercials and advertisement for pharmaceutical drugs. The disclaimer and reasons why you shouldn’t take the drug is longer that the reason why you should take it, but millions still take the damn drug. There are alternatives to your health care no matter where you live and you have the free will to make your choice.

Same with gmo food we have the information and reason why we shouldn’t eat it but most still eat the damn stuff. There are alternatives readily available for your food sources and you have the free will to choose.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by intruth (here)
Another great article by Dr. Mercola about the dangers of GMO's. Includes a documentary by Jeffery Smith, Founder, Institute for Responsible Technology.

The copy of Jeffery Smith's documentary that was available via the link to Dr. Mercola's site in the opening post of this thread is no longer available.

A reduced resolution version of this documentary is still available online:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kC-ny11zLXg

I have edited this thread's title to be "Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health
Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods", the name of this documentary and the book it is based on (see next post below), and the main topic of this thread. I didn't edit the titles on the individual posts above, to avoid confusing the two threads where were merged into this one thread, some time ago.

I will also add a Mod-Edit to this thread's opening post, pointing to this updating post, so people can find the still available online copy of this important documentary.

[ThePythonicCow]

This "Genetic Roulette" documentary by Jeffrey M. Smith is based on an earlier book of his:

Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health
Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods

[Flash]

I just saw this video today and the information within correspond to what I gathered directly from specialists, biochemists, researchers in the food industry, doctors and natural medecine experts. As well as from farmers. The information, in my opinion, is very well researched and quite science based.

I think most of us should see it.

Therefore bumping.

PS: again thanks Paul

[onawah]

This surely must have something to do with the epidemic of celiac disease.

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by norman (here)
for many years wheat growers have been finishing off wheat crops, just 2 weeks prior to the combine harvesters going in, with 'Roundup', the well known weed killer. It actually kills the wheat, which has the effect of making all the wheat arrive at the same "ripe ?" state at exactly the same time

Good grief

"QUITE" ! , Paul.

[Flash]

This is soooo great, the documentary genetic roulette has made it mainstream. I saw the author today advocating going
GMO free and telling about the health impact and the FDA biased views on it favoring the industry just today at Dr OZ show. On the show they also described the research done in France on rats, 80% of them getting cancer after 2 years consuming GMO corn, versus 20% in the normal rats population consuming regular food.

Of course they had 2 scientists, women, certifying that GMO was safe and that they were feeding it to their children and they said the FDA refused to show up on the show.

Thanks Dr OZ (even if I do not always agree with what is presented there) for daring contest the FDA by showing a balanced show, which in fact, when listeining, was not.

It was also said that 80% of American would not consume GMO food if given the choice.

[Dawn]

Morning Song: Another lie, is that is doesn't take that much more time to cook up a nice risotto (or much of anything else, for that matter) than it does to thaw out and bake a prepped industrial lasagna (full of stuff you can't even decifer if you look at the ingredients on the packaging....) and even cost-wise is just NOT such a good deal buying it ready-made.

In this discussion of GMO foods and the American diet I'd like to point out that almost all rice in the US is GMO! Therefore to purchase rice and make a 'nice risotto' is NOT healthy! Stay away from rice in the USA.