Armada massing as 'Israel prepares Iran strike'...

[WhiteFeather]

Who needs obsolete fossil fuels when we have good Ole Fashioned Hgh Quality H20.

[sigma6]

I know Canada pulled it's consulate staff out of Iraq under the smelliest BS (typical Canadian) load of crap excuse to date... yey Harper... the Queens' lackey... still this could all be a typical Western 'orchestrated' theater of the mind... let's face it, that is the currency they deal in...

and re: the US and British amassing in the gulf.... brings back a memory... I remember as a kid when a couple of bullies gathered together to watch over their "big mouth" little runt 'buddy' who would then go after my brother, while they watched so no one would go after the 'runt'... it still burns me to this day, that I was too scared to defend my brother, not that he was hurt, but the humiliation of letting that little runt getting his cheap kicks in... and the fear I had of the the two older boys... to move in and defend him, it still burns me to this day, a silly school yard fight that bruised my ego... but it is what makes me red hot furious today whenever I see even the hint of someone being a 'bully' anywhere... funny the things that we never forget...

[Mulder]

Posted by norman (here)
It's September right now, October is less than 3 weeks away, and November kicks off with the US election, which Pastor Lindsey Williams ( at least ) has told us is going to be preceded by a war with Iran. Now!, is any time in the next 4 or 5 weeks, me thinks.

I think the timeline will snap-back to the worst-possible after 21 December 2012. So nothing much will happen before the US election.

[sigma6]

Just think of the millions of dollars of our hard earned labour and resources that is being flushed down the toilet every day, so these a**holes can have their 3 ring circus. Enough to feed and clothe and shelter all the starving children in the world for years, like Tsarion said... if the public could only be exposed to the accounting, there would be more money to pay for every single program in the world! with trillions to spare... this is about corporations making profit and there is absolutely no justification for it...

corporations are legal entities and were originally designed to never be able to harm physical living humans... but to be controlled by them, instead we all (unknowingly) took on corporate status' as persons ourselves, consenting to stand in for a legal property that the government already holds legal title to... we absolutely don't have to be surety for, and never had to be... AND AGAIN I say, according to THEIR interpretation we are doing this by OUR consent... (the documents we signed became legal properties they hold in trust... we're ALL being duped... by this system of trust... abused and twisted inside out by the Rothschilds and their ilk...

starving children ... it wouldn't be a cliche if you had to look into their eyes, or hold a starving child in your arms, giving 30 bucks a month ( a dollar a day is a bloody insult!) to some rip off charity (just another corporation) isn't the solution but a way of continuing it... the corporations 'solution' to the problem they have created... if was really going to that child it would be in the form of a trust... (which they would NEVER agree to...)

...if all the money that is used to build weapons of mass destruction were spent instead on humanitarian causes... there's no more excuse for this, all this to put on a show for Iran... and behind all this is just a bunch of 'scared old men'... counting their money and calculating their next move designed to help them either amass more or maintain what they have at the expense of every man woman and child on this planet... I want to live to see the end this pyramid of despicable greed and avarice...

[WEAREONE]

Letter from Osama Bin Laden to America around 2002. I am surprised how much Israel plays a role in this. Unfortunately I dont see a good way to have this conflict end. Ask Israel to leave? After we helped create it and continue to supprt it? I believe in my heart Israel is part of the manipulation and hopefully you all can contribute links and insight into the role the state of Israel has played and continues to play in world affairs. I am not anti-Israel or anti Jews. I just believe it is the mother of all time bombs waiting to go off and I dont think the powder keg accidently appeared.



Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'
Online document: the full text of Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people", reported in today's Observer. The letter first appeared on the internet in Arabic and has since been translated and circulated by Islamists in Britain.

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In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,
"Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]

"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]

Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.

While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!

(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:

(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.

(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.

(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.

(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.

The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question:

Why did they attack us in New York and Washington?

If Sharon is a man of peace in the eyes of Bush, then we are also men of peace!!! America does not understand the language of manners and principles, so we are addressing it using the language it understands.

(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it.

(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.

(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?

(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.

(a)The freedom and democracy that you call to is for yourselves and for white race only; as for the rest of the world, you impose upon them your monstrous, destructive policies and Governments, which you call the 'American friends'. Yet you prevent them from establishing democracies. When the Islamic party in Algeria wanted to practice democracy and they won the election, you unleashed your agents in the Algerian army onto them, and to attack them with tanks and guns, to imprison them and torture them - a new lesson from the 'American book of democracy'!!!

(b)Your policy on prohibiting and forcibly removing weapons of mass destruction to ensure world peace: it only applies to those countries which you do not permit to possess such weapons. As for the countries you consent to, such as Israel, then they are allowed to keep and use such weapons to defend their security. Anyone else who you suspect might be manufacturing or keeping these kinds of weapons, you call them criminals and you take military action against them.

(c)You are the last ones to respect the resolutions and policies of International Law, yet you claim to want to selectively punish anyone else who does the same. Israel has for more than 50 years been pushing UN resolutions and rules against the wall with the full support of America.

(d)As for the war criminals which you censure and form criminal courts for - you shamelessly ask that your own are granted immunity!! However, history will not forget the war crimes that you committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those you have killed in Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq will remain a shame that you will never be able to escape. It will suffice to remind you of your latest war crimes in Afghanistan, in which densely populated innocent civilian villages were destroyed, bombs were dropped on mosques causing the roof of the mosque to come crashing down on the heads of the Muslims praying inside. You are the ones who broke the agreement with the Mujahideen when they left Qunduz, bombing them in Jangi fort, and killing more than 1,000 of your prisoners through suffocation and thirst. Allah alone knows how many people have died by torture at the hands of you and your agents. Your planes remain in the Afghan skies, looking for anyone remotely suspicious.

(e)You have claimed to be the vanguards of Human Rights, and your Ministry of Foreign affairs issues annual reports containing statistics of those countries that violate any Human Rights. However, all these things vanished when the Mujahideen hit you, and you then implemented the methods of the same documented governments that you used to curse. In America, you captured thousands the Muslims and Arabs, took them into custody with neither reason, court trial, nor even disclosing their names. You issued newer, harsher laws.

What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites, "What is the value of your signature on any agreement or treaty?"

(3) What we call you to thirdly is to take an honest stance with yourselves - and I doubt you will do so - to discover that you are a nation without principles or manners, and that the values and principles to you are something which you merely demand from others, not that which you yourself must adhere to.

(4) We also advise you to stop supporting Israel, and to end your support of the Indians in Kashmir, the Russians against the Chechens and to also cease supporting the Manila Government against the Muslims in Southern Philippines.

(5) We also advise you to pack your luggage and get out of our lands. We desire for your goodness, guidance, and righteousness, so do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins.

(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington.

(7) We also call you to deal with us and interact with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of sub dual, theft and occupation, and not to continue your policy of supporting the Jews because this will result in more disasters for you.

If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation. The Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

The Nation of honour and respect:

"But honour, power and glory belong to Allah, and to His Messenger (Muhammad- peace be upon him) and to the believers." [Quran 63:8]

"So do not become weak (against your enemy), nor be sad, and you will be*superior ( in victory )if you are indeed (true) believers" [Quran 3:139]

The Nation of Martyrdom; the Nation that desires death more than you desire life:

"Think not of those who are killed in the way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive with their Lord, and they are being provided for. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them from His bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers." [Quran 3:169-171]

The Nation of victory and success that Allah has promised:

"It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad peace be upon him) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it victorious over all other religions even though the Polytheists hate it." [Quran 61:9]

"Allah has decreed that 'Verily it is I and My Messengers who shall be victorious.' Verily Allah is All-Powerful, All-Mighty." [Quran 58:21]

The Islamic Nation that was able to dismiss and destroy the previous evil Empires like yourself; the Nation that rejects your attacks, wishes to remove your evils, and is prepared to fight you. You are well aware that the Islamic Nation, from the very core of its soul, despises your haughtiness and arrogance.

If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?

[ghostrider]

Politicains and bankers should do the fighting , they made the mess, they can clean it up. Whats the difference between a politician and a homeless man ?? They beg for money and lie about what they are going to use it for, the only difference is one wears a tie .

[Cidersomerset]

Whatever happens Nato will stop at nothing to protect the straights ,,,,,,Oil still rules !!

Ask the real Dallas family .........BUSH !

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'
Online document: the full text of Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people", reported in today's Observer. The letter first appeared on the internet in Arabic and has since been translated and circulated by Islamists in Britain.

Thanks wearone for posting Bin Ladens letter is shows how intelligent and articulate the man
was and he was in a differrent league to Bush jnr intelectually.

[Molope]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
I think China and Russia are paying VERY close attention to all of this, they won't turn a blind eye when the hammer comes down.

This is what some sources are saying of late. They very well might intervene.

But it will be never 3vs3 because if things gets serious USA and UK will call all the NATO countries and then it will turn into WW3.So i dont see fairness anywhere in fact war its not fair never will be.

[modwiz]

Ever since this thread began I have been looking at the Veterans Today site for anything on this story. Nada, zip. These guys have buddies deep in the military and intelligence agencies because many of the editors are still involved to some capacity themselves. There are stories that state just the opposite as well on Rense. Confusion is the desired result. The PTB would rather have us chasing our tails than musing over whether we should hang banker CEO's or come together into communities talking about food raising or dwelling concepts. They are getting their way with our full cooperation. As usual.

[greybeard]

Comes down to to what is ultimately important to the individual.
Life is too short to go tilting at windmills Don Quixote style.
This kind of drama has been going on since I was a kid.
If there was something I could do to make the world a more pleasant place to be I would.
I realise my limitations and just bring pleasantness to my own little world as best I can.

Chris

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Ever since this thread began I have been looking at the Veterans Today site for anything on this story. Nada, zip. These guys have buddies deep in the military and intelligence agencies because many of the editors are still involved to some capacity themselves. There are stories that state just the opposite as well on Rense. Confusion is the desired result. The PTB would rather have us chasing our tails than musing over whether we should hang banker CEO's or come together into communities talking about food raising or dwelling concepts. They are getting their way with our full cooperation. As usual.

I agree, a massive amount of double-speak about EVERYTHING right now (as usual) from those that speak with a forked tongue!

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi was not premeditated, directly contradicting top Libyan officials who say the attack was planned in advance.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-premeditated/

They totally can't get their stories straight!

Libyan president: 'No doubt' attack 'preplanned'
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politi...ed-135664.html

and....

Israeli Foreign Ministry: U.S. ignored Arab radicalization
Foreign Ministry official on signs of 'radicalization' in Arab world: ‘We knew what was happening, but the Americans preferred to find excuses.’
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...emium-1.465210

[SilentFeathers]

I do not know how reliable Steve Quayle is but this is on his website:

Intel From Israel on Whats getting set to Happen in the Middle East
My brother and his family live in Jerusalem - he is a minister - his office is close to one of Israel 's largest underground military bases.

He called me last night which is very unusual - usually it is email.

He called to tell me that he is sending his family back to the US immediately due to what he is seeing happen within the last week and what he is being told by his military contacts in both the Israel and US military.

He said he is seeing with his own eyes military movements the likes of which he has never seen in his 20+ years in Israel .

What he called a massive redeployment and protective tactics of forces is underway.

Over the last two days he has seen anti-aircraft missile deployments throughout the Jerusalem area including 3 mobile units that he can see from his office windows.

In addition, he has seen very large Israeli armored columns moving fast toward the Sinia where Egypt has now moved in Armor.

There are reports of the top military leaders meeting with Israel 's Sr. Rabi which is something that has happened preceding every prior military campaign.

His admonition is to watch carefully and pray for Israel and its people.

He is convinced that barring something extraordinary Israel will attack Iran - with or without the US - and very soon.

It is the belief in Israel that Obama does not stand with Israel but with the Arab countries.

He has told me before that Israel will saber rattle from time to time but that this time is very different from what he is seeing and hearing.
He was at the Wailing Wall 2 days ago and there were hundreds of IDF soldiers there. As he was leaving he passed at least 20 military buses full of soldiers in route to the wall.

He has never seen this before either.

Just thought I would pass this along.
My brother is not an alarmist by any means.

When he talks like this it gets my attention for sure and usually I find he knows more than he shares.

There are reports that Israel is asking Obama to come to Israel immediately but they are being answered with silence.

My opinion is that I see the making of the perfect storm.
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=118

[gripreaper]

Don't buy it this time. Tell all your overseas contacts that it is the elite globalists who are behind this, not Israel or the American nationals.

When are we going to realize that it's all theater and all propagated by the same puppet masters who control BOTH sides of the conflict?

[NancyV]

Those of you who think the Jews should leave Israel maybe should read a bit more history. The Jews have just as much "claim" to the land, perhaps more, than Palestinians. In fact, so called "Palestinians" were nomadic tribes and what we now call Palestine was considered part of Syria for a long time.

If you think the Jews should leave their retaken and/or conquered lands then the whites should leave the USA and Hawaii, the Brits should leave Ireland, Scotland and all other conquered lands, etc etc ad infinitum...and any other people who conquered lands and established civilizations should also leave. That is not the way the world works. If you conquer a land and build a civilization you don't give it back to those whom you conquered. In the case of Israel they were driven out of their own homeland. So who was FIRST there? We'll never know and it really doesn't matter.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...Of_Israel.html
The Jewish Claim To The Land Of Israel

A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained.

The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars.

The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.

The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C. The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital. Although eventually Palestine was split into two separate kingdoms, Jewish independence there lasted for 212 years. This is almost as long as Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States.

Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in Palestine continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.

Many Jews were massacred by the Crusaders during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century-years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement-more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel.

When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.

In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."

The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.

Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

[observer]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Don't buy it this time. [....snip]

....When are we going to realize that it's all theater and all propagated by the same puppet masters who control BOTH sides of the conflict?

We must keep in perspective it was only eight short weeks ago that these same Global Elite preformed their annual 'Cremation of Care' ritual at Bohemian Grove. Those who perform these "Blood Rituals", who also run global politics through their control of the global monetary system have no 'care' what-so-ever when it comes to the 'useless feeders' (a globalists term, not mine) who will suffer the most from any conflict in this region, i.e., the people of the entire region.

I can only stand behind a line in the sand and say NO.

Those who believe there is a "Bright New Dawn", just over the horizon might, very possibly, wake-up and discover the "Bright New Day" they have all been predicting is being illuminated by the glow of a nuclear device.

These "Blood Sacraficers" are being led by an Evil so pervasive few can even fathom the depths of the control mechanism. This Abject Evil has continued, unmolested, since the Dawn of Man.

Does any member suppose they can stop this very present reality by ignoring the Abject Evil behind it?

[observer]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Click-on forwarding icon to see the content of NancyV's comment #34.

I know, from past issues, you don't see my perspective, Nancy.

I would suggest the entire Zionists claim to the "Land of Canaan" (the name of the region from antiquity) is based on a False Document, i.e. The Torah, or, the Books of Moses, the first five books of the Old Testament.

Any theologian will tell you these books didn't appear in their currently accepted form in history until around the seventh century, BC. You might note, this is some thousand years (or so) after the 'alleged' Exodus.

For further understanding, here are two RedIce Interviews on the work of Ralph Ellis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgodwiVtAHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ris3YCcmYk

Also, one might want to review what the theologians are saying about the Torah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXlFWBcxBo

My point being: The religious claim to this region are all fabricated lies. This is a long term agenda, as evidenced by the long trail of treaties documented in NancyV's comment. The Global Elite are using this Religious Factor as another ploy to depopulate the planet.

Are we awake yet???

[Olam]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Israel is going to strike Iran. And The USA and Britain are there as referees? Hmm interesting. 3 against 1 which doesnt seem fair. Perhaps we should even the score by having China and Russia standing by. Just a thought.

That would be called WW3....

[SKAWF]

just because its called a miltary exercise,
does not mean they are'nt there to fight.

in another context, one might exercise one's right to remain silent.

exercise in this context could easily mean, the use of the military.

also,

its very likely that iran will be attacked soon, even if its been denied.
the biggest clue is, that they have moved a load of war machinery into the area!.
besides... they would hardly publicise the fact, if they are intending to attack.

does anyone remember the 'exercises' just before they went into iraq?

[NancyV]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
Click-on forwarding icon to see the content of NancyV's comment #34.

I know, from past issues, you don't see my perspective, Nancy.

I would suggest the entire Zionists claim to the "Land of Canaan" (the name of the region from antiquity) is based on a False Document, i.e. The Torah, or, the Books of Moses, the first five books of the Old Testament.

Any theologian will tell you these books didn't appear in their currently accepted form in history until around the seventh century, BC. You might note, this is some thousand years (or so) after the 'alleged' Exodus.

For further understanding, here are two RedIce Interviews on the work of Ralph Ellis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgodwiVtAHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ris3YCcmYk

Also, one might want to review what the theologians are saying about the Torah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXlFWBcxBo

My point being: The religious claim to this region are all fabricated lies. This is a long term agenda, as evidenced by the long trail of treaties documented in NancyV's comment. The Global Elite are using this Religious Factor as another ploy to depopulate the planet.

Are we awake yet???

I don't care what theologians believe about anything nor do I care about any religion or religious claims to anything. My point is that we'll never know who was there first, nor does it matter. The Jews and the Palestinians and the Syrians and who knows who else believe they have legitimate claims to the land. If you personally choose to favor one group over another, go for it. I tend to look more at the simple logic that those who lose a war do not get their disputed lands back very often. If you believe the Palestinians have a MORE valid claim than the Israelis because of some old religious or historical texts, that would show your bias. Remember, history is written by the conquerors. Books and theories and researchers all give us OPINIONS and human interpretations. Just because something is in an old book doesn't make it objective. I really don't care who controls Israel ultimately but I do not choose to ignore one sides claim and favor the other because of some prejudice or bias on my part, but more often than not ONE side is presented with more support here on this forum and that is the PRO Palestinian side. For the life of me I can't figure that one out.

Well, I guess I could figure it out. Normally new age and conspiracy types and many liberals are more anti Jew for some reason. Because they are anti Jew they think (stupidly) that those who hate Jews and are "oppressed" by Jews are their friends! LOL.... We are nothing but infidels to any radical Muslim. Get used to it. They would just as soon kill YOU as they would a Jew. But, I'm used to the new age airhead types at my age. They are always so simplistic they think the enemy of their chosen enemy is their friend. That's just plain abysmally stupid. Just like the Drake situation where because Drake came out against the nasty PTB, HE was their friend. In reality he was or is either some bizarre glory seeker or a man involved in some kind of disinfo op.

Right now the victors, the Israelis, are in possession of the lands. Period. They will probably willingly die to the last soldier before they give it up. Most Jews will not be silent and act helpless while allowing themselves to be exterminated again as they were in Germany. I doubt that the more radical Muslim countries will ever give up their desire to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. Certainly Ahmadinejad and Iran won't, nor will Syria, Egypt (now that the radical Muslim brotherhood is in charge, with Obama's help) and other Muslim countries. So if anyone thinks the Jews will willingly give up the territory they need to hold in order to not have ravening hoards of religious freaks attacking them more easily, they're wrong. Israel cannot afford to let Iran get nukes or Iran WILL wipe them off the face of the earth as they have stated is their goal. Those who expect the Jews to allow that to happen, whether or not they get the support of our present anti Jewish president, are living in dreamland.

On top of all that, all governments and those in positions of power are influenced or controlled by forces that are not in alignment with the best interests of humanity as a whole. They are played against each other and so the game goes on and on and on....

[another bob]

Posted by NancyV (here)
They are played against each other and so the game goes on and on and on....

Yes, because this is a war planet. People make distinctions like WW1, WW2, Korean War, Viet Nam War, Persian Gulf War, WW3, and so forth, but it is actually all one piece, one long and ceaseless war, and it begins in the heart-mind of each one of us -- with our own greed, envy, hatred, and arrogance. When we are finally weary of war, we will just stop feeding it. As a collective, we haven't reached that place by a long shot, and so there will be more war, and rumors of war, and as you say, the game goes on and on and on . . .