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    ARG! Just spent 2.5 hrs writing a mega post and then I hit the "quick reply" button again instead of the "post quick reply" and erased the form!
    SOB.

    Just goes to show that it pays to keep forum posts brief (he says about to launch into another huge one...)

    Here is the gist of what I said:

    I studied eco architecture with someone involved in building the first earthship in the UK and he said that with the benefit of hindsight he wouldn't recommend them to anyone else for northern europe. Mainly because the high thermal mass of the concrete and the lack of breathable walls makes them cold and clammy in the long damp and dark UK winters. Unexpectedly high heating costs. Earthships work great in desert climates with cold but clear, dry and sunny winters.

    I have pounded rammed earth car tyres for use in foundations and it is bone-jarring, horrible, exhausting work. Fine if you are a musclewoman or man, but if like me you are more elf-like (think Annunaki without the technology or psy abilities) then it progress is slow, exhausting and demoralizing.

    When I started learning about ecobuilding I too thought that earthships looked amazing - someone else has mentioned luke skywalker's house. But when you learn about the other options available you realise that they are not a magic bullet solution for the whole planet. The work of Mike Reynolds et al should be celebrated and encouraged, but not idolised and unthinkingly repeated all over the planet.

    All the cool energy autonomy features can be easily repeated in other building types, and we have been doing rainwater harvesting, compost toilets, greywater treatment, solar thermal, PV electric and greenhouse passive solar design and indoor planters on all sorts of structures in permaculture projects for over 30 years.

    On the whole, having studied and experimented with a range of ecobuilding options including cob, adobe, cordwood, earthbag, timber and bamboo frame, hemplime and strawbale, I think that for Europe and the US (and any other none-tropical country where they grow a lot of grain crops) the best performer over a balanced range of criteria is straw bale: the criteria being cost, effort/time, internal air quality, environmental impact, energy efficiency and insulation/ thermal comfort (including summer cooling).

    Strawbale gives you a much better bang for your buck and is easier to build - kids, old people, women and men can all get involved in the build and this gives the project a much less macho vibe and makes it more cooperative and supportive. Essentially you have a super-insulated envelope surrounding your thermal mass (the internal earth or lime plaster and the floor) which protects from external temp changes and allows you to maintain the internal temperature with little energy - imagine a brick inside 50 pairs of wool socks. Maintains the temperate very well, whether the brick has just come out of the oven or the freezer. An earthship is a lot more brick and a lot less sock.

    A colleague did some research showing that in 2008 in the UK we produced enough straw surplus to other requirements to build 450,000 strawbale houses a year, and we can build them loadbearing style now without the need for a timber frame.

    Whether we are predisposed towards strawbale or earthships, our starting point should be the characteristics of our site, our climate, our local available resources (material and human) and the functions we need from the building and how it will integrate with our other activities (e.g. food growing). This permaculture approach to building, as hinted at by others on this thread, is the best way to design the right sort of building for you, rather than imposing a preconceived idea onto the land (and your people), regardless.

    This can save us a lot of unnecessary time, effort, cost and disappointment.

    Personally I favor a house made from earth and plants, with appropriate use of recycled materials and judicious and minimal use of brand new manufactured materials such as metal, glass, cement, lime and plastic. Nicest vibe, least environmental impact and healthiest.

    There are many wonderful examples of hybrid methods being used, with a little bit of several different techniques being used.

    I have masses of info and links on regional and climate specific ecobuilding strategies if anyone wants them. Here are a few for now:

    Good organisations:

    http://www.amazonails.org.uk/
    http://www.thelaststraw.org/
    http://www.strawbalehomes.com/
    If you liked luke skywalker's house:
    http://calearth.org/

    Principles of passive solar explained
    http://strawbalefarms.com/passive.html


    First UK straw bale council houses
    http://www.n-kesteven.gov.uk/section.asp?catId=1522

    Strawbale aid work in post earthquake and flood Pakistan
    http://www.paksbab.org/html/index.php?id=4


    My recommended desert island ecobuilding book
    http://www.shelterpub.com/_barefoot/BA-book.html

    Lots of love!

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    Thinking about this can anybody suggest a site which helps in choosing a model to build and how to adapt it to make best use of available resources? For example, if you live in a desert-type environment, very dry, lots of sunshine: the earthship model is your best starting point. Living in an area rich in arable agriculture, and straw is plentiful: start with the straw bale model.

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    Quote Posted by Lion Monkey (here)
    I studied eco architecture with someone involved in building the first earthship in the UK and he said that with the benefit of hindsight he wouldn't recommend them to anyone else for northern europe. Mainly because the high thermal mass of the concrete and the lack of breathable walls makes them cold and clammy in the long damp and dark UK winters. Unexpectedly high heating costs. Earthships work great in desert climates with cold but clear, dry and sunny winters.
    Thanks for all those great resources, like many others here I've been looking into earthships for a while too and garbage warrior was quite a revelation for off-the-grid potentialities. I have read elsewhere on the Net about the problems with building earthships anyplace but semi-arid to arid sub-tropical climes, so thank you for your practical experience and corroboration of the difficulties and also for the suggestions!

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    Meka's Cobb House - Wolf Creek, Oregon


    Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rLf8J7k69j0









    Lots more photos, videos and info about Cobb building can be found on this site:
    http://www.cobprojects.info/Projects/meka/meka.htm

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    More Building with Cob


    Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oCIdCCyTFaY

    Quote Earth is probably still the world's most common building material. Cob building is the art of building homes using earth materials. Usually when I tell someone about cob for the first time, they think 'corn cobs.' That's not what it's really about. The word 'cob' comes from an old English word that means 'a rounded lump or mass.' We get our modern word 'gob' from the same root word. Cob is basically a mixture of straw, sand and clay. Once the walls are built (by stacking the cob balls or lumps to build walls) they are covered with plaster to seal them. There are no forms, brick shapes or frames. Since cob is basically the same consistency as modeling clay, it lends itself to organic shapes that are more curved and natural. Cob can also be used to build sculpture, garden walls and outdoor ovens.

    Cob is literally 'dirt cheap' since it is made from materials readily found in nature. It can also be sculpted to provide beautiful artistic touches to your home, as these pictures illustrate. Not only that, but it's so easy a child could do it. Ever make mud pies when you were a kid? Then you've already got most of the basic skills to build with cob! In fact, as a child growing up on the farm back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, I built play forts with cob before I even knew what it was called. Cob is almost instinctive.

    Cob has been around for thousands of years. Some of the earliest structures on Earth, in the Mesopotamian region, were made of a type of cob. There are cob homes in Western Europe that have been continuously occupied for centuries. With a little regular maintenance, a cob home is extremely durable.

    Cob is also non-toxic. It is made from natural materials that contain no toxins. Cob doesn't require any products that don't come directly from the Earth. This ancient way of building also doesn't contribute to deforestation, mining or pollution. Since it is a natural form of building, it does not rely on manufactured materials. Since it is made using materials on the building site, it doesn't use fossil fuels transporting materials to the site.

    One drawback of working with cob is that many building inspectors are unfamiliar with the material. Cob is not covered by most building codes; however, adobe is covered in many. If you can convince your local building inspector that cob is a modified form of adobe, you may have better luck in getting your project approved. Another drawback is with insurance companies. Most won't insure cob because they have no experience with the material. There's some tradeoff in this department. You might not be able to get the building insured, but since cob is so durable and cheap, in the unlikely event that a disaster occurs and damages your building, it can be rebuilt for about the same amount of money that you would have spent on insurance premiums. If this is really a concern for you, consider the fact that cob itself is fireproof and extremely durable. For a story of about how her first cob studio survived a hurricane, visit Christina Ott's Barefoot Builder website.

    If you are having problems with the local building inspector, this can usually be worked around by finding an architect or an engineer who has experience working with cob. If you can get an architect to sign off on your project, most building inspectors will work with you. I'm starting a list of architects and engineers who work with natural materials. If you are such an architect, or you can recommend one, please email me and I'll add their name to the list.
    Source (this is a HUGE resource): http://www.cultureartist.org/cob__what_is_it.htm

    More than 100 videos about natural building: http://www.cultureartist.org/videos_of_interest.htm

    Natural Building Gallery (hundreds of photos of many different natural building techniques including Adobe, Cob, Earth Ships, Rammed Earth, Stone, Straw Bale and many more):
    http://www.cultureartist.org/natural...ng_gallery.htm










    Quote Because of its versatility and widespread availability, earth has been used as a construction material on every continent and in every age. It is one of the oldest building materials on the planet; the first freestanding human dwellings may have been built of sod or wattle-and-daub. About 10,000 years ago, the residents of Jericho were using oval, hand formed, sun dried bricks (adobes), which were probably a refinement of earlier cob. Even today, it is estimated that between a third and a half of the world's population lives in earthen dwellings.
    Source: http://www.networkearth.org/naturalb...g/history.html


    This site is a huge resource: http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/cob.htm

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    This is really cool - and hot, at the same time - a pizza oven and hot tub all made from cob. Cob can easily be made water proof using linseed oil (and other natural methods).


    Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NtP_hToQtkQ



    More examples of cob ovens and cob building


    Source: https://youtube.com/watch?&v=f-BESihv4r8#!


    Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lk1kzP2QHpg

    http://www.livingearthstructures.com



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