Jesus said to them: "My wife..."

[AriG]

From the Gnostic texts:

the concluding logion (114) of the Gospel of Thomas (first1 or second century C.E.). "Simon Peter said to them, 'Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of Life.' Jesus said, 'I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the Kingdom of Heaven."


From Theologian Robert Price:

In the Gospel of Mary (second century C.E.), Mary Magdalene is the chief revealer to the other disciples, telling of a post‑resurrection vision in which Jesus showed her the course of the liberated spirit on its way back to the Aeon.

[Vitalux]

I guess it all boils down to this
Jesus can be anything whatsoever you wish to imagine.

[AriG]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
I read somewhere that back then, it was customary for the men to take on a wife beween like the ages of 13 and 19, and then if by your 20th year you hadn't taken a wife, you were considered "off" as write4change put it. .

Confirmed bachelor? Gentleman's gentleman?

[ulli]

Posted by deridan (here)
one day we will distinguish the bad religions of the world as those who have enchained and sacrificed the natural sexuality of men (...go China,...no buddist monks among u)

I share that sentiment.

These are my thoughts on the matter...take a family with two kids, both boys.
One of these boys is sensitive and inclined towards spirituality and so he decides to become a priest or monk.
Whatever genes contributed to his sensitivity....end of the line.
The human gene pool is thus deprived of a chance through the celibate person of spiritual descendants who could take evolution towards refinement of such spirituality...in fact, leaving it to decline instead.
Where there is no ascent, there is descent.
If the Catholic Church had any interest in humanity's growth it would at least have instituted a sperm bank for would-be priests to leave behind some of their genes.

[AriG]

Posted by ulli (here)
If the Catholic Church had any interest in humanity's growth it would at least have instituted a sperm bank for would-be priests to leave behind some of their genes.

One could also reverse that supposition. Why does an institution that insists upon rampant reproduction require its leaders to remain celibate?

[Jean-Marie]

A Long time ago before the council of Nicea, catholic priests were able to marry. The main belief is that the catholic churches losing money when the priests had sons and the land could be left to them. It was the council of Nicea that made the rule that priests who were ordained could not marry.

[ulli]

Posted by AriG (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
If the Catholic Church had any interest in humanity's growth it would at least have instituted a sperm bank for would-be priests to leave behind some of their genes.

One could also reverse that supposition. Why does an institution that insists upon rampant reproduction require its leaders to remain celibate?

Simple:
Rampant reproduction produces more coins which will find their way into the collection bags,
and a celibate clergy makes better collectors of inheritances that are left to lonely widows.

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by Jean-Marie (here)
A Long time ago before the council of Nicea, catholic priests were able to marry. The main belief is that the catholic churches losing money when the priests had sons and the land could be left to them. It was the council of Nicea that made the rule that priests who were ordained could not marry.

So true!

Then, later on, in the "Middle Ages," "Marriage" was instituted merely because so-called "bastard" children had equal rights to inheritance as their "legitimate" siblings. The Catholic "Marriage institution" took that away so that "land" and "properties" would remain within the "legitimate" family. Hence, easier to scoop up at death bed confessions for some shared accommodations in "Heaven.".

[Latti]

Luke 9:58
King James Version (KJV)
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Whether or not Jesus was married is not an issue for me, but if he was married, surely he had a place of abode. If so, why is the passage above attributed to him? I'm sure that one can find many different interpretations of this, but to me he is saying that he didn't have a place of abode.

[ulli]

Posted by Latti (here)
Luke 9:58
King James Version (KJV)
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Whether or not Jesus was married is not an issue for me, but if he was married, surely he had a place of abode. If so, why is the passage above attributed to him? I'm sure that one can find many different interpretations of this, but to me he is saying that he didn't have a place of abode.

To me it means that he didn't have a comfort zone like ordinary creatures.
His existence was service, without rest, fulfilling a temporary mission.
That does not exclude having a companion....
but both could have shared that sentiment of homelessness,
knowing that they belonged to a higher world.

[ghostrider]

yes he had a wife and lived in India after the crucifixion.

[Operator]

Posted by AriG (here)
Why do you think the church is fearful of the disclosure of the possibility that Jesus was married?

1. If one stone breaks loose an avalanche may follow ...
2. A wife is one step, offspring the next ...

[deridan]

the church controlled the gospels for two reasons

Jesus's companion had to be blackened ... Mary Magdelaine or Mary of Bethany. (remember that J logical, only cried after seeing the effect on MofB)
the other reason is that the probable writer of the Gospel of John, a true gnostic type gospel, also had to be blackened.
Lazarus in the gospel of John, is the only one mentioned as one amongst the male disciples whom J loved, ..yet people seem to leave him out of the equation
Lazarus, as by the clues picked up from the writers of a grail book i read, may have been the main man, or part of a inner circle.... whereas the disciples where the outer part, and would eventually in there motion tip the world to the balance point where they could embrace the inner part departed to lazarus easier

if u ever hear Rene'd'Anjou, or hear people speak about the Crusade lead against South of France against a certain group [i forget there name] enlightened, but which the Catholic Church tried to exterminate, ...then u can trace the offending hand of the church through history.
my bet is that the inquisition, was lead primarily against females who had spiritually awakened through those hard times in the middle ages.

I know that the Knights Templar had a special part in this 'erased history',
and if an ex-Templar can ever be said to remember... like...[i also forget his name],[but the old man so endeared to camelot here, ex-military, said he visited an off-world civilization], perhaps it could be delved into the "secret religious histories", for the Templars enlightened!, were accused of dark rituals in the Inquistion(&of-course they would have tainted light!), including the worshipping of heads.....Old Man! if you remember, please tell us, ..sothat from there we may find threads to other threads!

[PHARAOH]

Posted by AriG (here)
Hello everyone! New member here. I've been encouraged to jump right in, so I hope its ok that I am joining in the conversation.

Has anyone noticed that the MSM is interviewing church representatives who are dismissing the wife reference by suggesting that the use of the word wife meant the church or the body of the church not an actual spouse? Why do you think the church is fearful of the disclosure of the possibility that Jesus was married?

Because it would give rise to the idea that they may have had offspring???

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
yes he had a wife and lived in India after the crucifixion.

Which brings us to the theory of the Crucifixion Survival.....

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Chri...ucifixion.aspx

[billyji]

A stained glass window from a small island off the west coast of Scotland. Notice the symbolic hand hold and that the female is with child.



Peace

[ulli]

Posted by billyji (here)
A stained glass window from a small island off the west coast of Scotland. Notice the symbolic hand hold and that the female is with child.

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Peace

Is this on the island of Iona?

[Beren]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
If you believe Yehoshua Ben Yosef existed, then I would say it would have been impossible for him to reach the level of consciousness he attained without a wife. Mary Magdalene (from root word "Magi") was an initiate just as "Jesus" was.

The Bible alludes to this by saying that a husband and wife should become "one flesh".

This is also what is meant by Jesus' statement in the Gospel of Thomas about making your eye single.

Lightworkers are very much aware of the union of the two energies which summon the "Violet Flame". It is the whole basis of Yin and Yang. The only cure for duality is Union.

"Sexual Magic" is the key to being "born again". Many of the ancients knew this, and the practice of Tantra was widespread throughout a great deal of these ancient civilizations.

Hi,
I bolded this sentence in red. Here is your answer of who Christ was and is. He's in union with Source-God- before he even preached the good news about human nature.
He didn't needed female to be one with God to be enlightened.

It's same today for both sexes when they realize that their current sex means nothing above since we're all spirit beings.
Down here we took the roles of male or female.

Women were terribly attracted to Jesus because he showed utter respect for them and loved them truly, not seeing them as flesh or slaves or bodies for intercourse.
He saw them as who they are.
That's why women flocked to him.

Marriage ? Not a theme for one who is one with God in heavenly and other realms including Earthly one.

[billyji]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
A stained glass window from a small island off the west coast of Scotland. Notice the symbolic hand hold and that the female is with child.

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Peace

Is this on the island of Iona?

Iona is off the Isle of Mull, But has an Iona connection. This is Kilmore Church on the Isle of Mulll... The glass was commissioned long before the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail ever suggested a Marriage between Christ and Magdeline. You can read more about this fascinating place at Barry Dunfords site here: http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/h...ymag_iona.html

[AriG]

Sexual intercourse changes DNA. This article is very rudimentary as I don't have access to more technical information at the moment. Note the reference to changes in vision in a bulleted point toward the end of the article. [http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/250190.php