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    I don't know the details of the "non-mixing" between hemispheres, but in the theory/model of nuclear winter, the pollutants from the North do get the the South easily within years. Somewhere I read that the mixing of the stratosphere is global.

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    Interesting article on VeteransToday website regarding the switch made about "Global Warming":


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    If warming the arctic was regarded as good for commerce for 100 years why would a discovery that found carbon dioxide was already performing the task for free, suddenly be regarded as a catastrophe to prevent?
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    The BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico demonstrates how Big Oil exists in a world of opportunistic pragmatism, no matter the risk to the environment. With an established record of corporate sociopathy, Big Oil would have little interest in what event would cause arctic ice to retreat as long as their long-held dream of new arctic navigation routes and access to previously ice-locked oil and gas reserves was realized. It could make marginal difference if the arctic temperatures rise due to (1) rising CO2 levels or (2) covert arctic climate manipulation.

    This timeline of determined Geoengineering projects suggests the goal of mediating arctic climate remains a favorite goal of the fossil fuel industry.

    1877 Harvard geologist Nathaniel Shaler proposed channeling more of the warm Kuroshio Current through the Bering Strait to raise temperatures in the Polar region by 30 degrees.

    1912, New York Engineer and Industrialist, Carroll Livingston Riker proposed building a 200 mile jetty off Newfoundland to increase the Gulf Stream’s flow into to the Arctic Basin with the added benefit that it would “shift” the axis of planet earth. The New York Times characterized the proposal as “amazing”… but not insane.

    1929: Hermann Oberth, German-Hungarian physicist and engineer; Proposed building giant mirrors on a space station to focus the Sun’s radiation on Earth’s surface, making the far North habitable and freeing sea lanes to Siberian harbors.

    1945; Julian Huxley, biologist and Secretary-General of UNESCO 1946-48; Proposed exploding atomic bombs at an appropriate height above the polar regions to raise the temperature of the Arctic Ocean and warm the entire climate of the northern temperate zone.

    1946Village Voice article from 2005 reporting on theMay, 1946 issue of Mechanix Illustrated that featured several arctic-warming geoengineering proposals. One “brave new idea” was proposed by Julian Huxley, then the Secretary-General of UNESCO, and brother of Aldous Huxley, that would detonate atomic bombs to warm the Arctic.

    1958; M. Gorodsky, Soviet engineer and mathematician, and Valentin Cherenkov, Soviet meteorologist; Proposed placing a ring of metallic potassium particles into Earth’s polar orbit to diffuse light reaching Earth and increase solar radiation to thaw the permanently frozen soil of Russia, Canada, and Alaska and melt polar ice.

    1958; Arkady Markin, Soviet engineer; Proposed that the United States and Soviet Union build a gigantic dam across the Bering Strait and use nuclear power–driven propeller pumps to push the warm Pacific current into the Atlantic by way of the Arctic Sea. Arctic ice would melt, and the Siberian and North American frozen areas would become temperate and productive.

    1958 Russian Oil engineer, P.M. Borisov’s proposed melting the Arctic and Greenland icecaps by spreading black coal dust on the ice, creating cloud-cover across the poles to trap heat and to divert warm Atlantic waters into the polar regions. This scheme was taken seriously by Soviet climatologists. Two conferences were held in Leningrad in the early 1960′s following an initial meeting in Moscow by the Presidium of the USSR Academy of Sciences in 1959.

    1958 Atlantic Richfield geologist L.M. Natland, proposed exploding up to 100 underground nuclear bombs to mine the Alberta Oil Sands. Heat from the detonations was expected to boil the bitumen deposits, reducing their viscosity to the point that standard drilling operations could be used. The plan was encouraged by US efforts to find “peaceful uses” for atomic energy. The project was approved in 1959 but the Canadian government reversed their decision in 1962 and declared that Canada was opposed to all forms of nuclear testing. In 2012 the Canadian Tar Sands are, again an issue of international concern.

    1962 Harry Wexler (March 15, 1911- 1962) was an MIT graduate and PhD in meteorology. Wexler had been researching the link connecting chlorine and bromine compounds to the destruction of the stratospheric ozone layers, but died of a heart attack while on vacation in Woods Hole, Mass. Wexler had already accepted an invitation to deliver a lecture entitled “The Climate of Earth and Its Modifications” at the University of Maryland Space Research and Technology Institute. (Source)

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    I first flew into Fairbanks, Alaska in January of 1976. The weather stayed sixty degrees below zero for over six weeks. Now it can rain in January.

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    Fmr. Thatcher advisor Lord Monckton evicted from UN climate summit after challenging global warming -- 'Escorted from the hall and security officers stripped him of his UN credentials'

    Monckton to UN: 'In the 16 years we have been coming to these conferences, there has been no global warming'
    Calls to 'deport Monckton' from UN conference in Qatar


    Thursday, December 06, 2012By Marc MoranoClimate Depot
    [Also see: New Report from Climate Depot: 'Extreme Weather Report 2012': 'Latest peer-reviewed studies, data & analyses undermine claims that current weather is 'unprecedented' or a 'new normal']


    By Jean Chemnick, E&E reporter
    Published: Thursday, December 6, 2012
    [Reprint from E&E Greenwire - December 6, 2012 - subscription required]
    Excerpt: UK's Lord Christopher Monckton, a climate skeptic, gets evicted

    After the news conference, and as diplomats gathered for the climate conference president's assessment of how close countries are to agreement, Monckton quietly slipped into the seat reserved for the delegation of Myanmar and clicked the button to speak.

    "In the 16 years we have been coming to these conferences, there has been no global warming," Monckton said as confused murmurs filled the hall and then turned into a chorus of boos.

    The stunt infuriated negotiators and activists here who gather every year to address what they believe is one of the world's top threats, the steady rise of man-made global warming.

    As Monckton was escorted from the hall and security officers stripped him of his U.N. credentials, several people noted that just a few hours earlier a group of young activists had been thrown out of the convention center and deported. Their crime: unfurling an unauthorized banner calling for the Qatari hosts to lead the negotiations to a strong conclusion.

    By late today, several activists attending the conference had posted calls to "deport Monckton" on their Twitter feeds.

    Full article: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/18726/...UN-credentials
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    From: Robert Felix's website: http://iceagenow.info/2012/12/youtub...lord-monckton/


    Just found the YouTube video of Lord Monckton

    By Robert On December 8, 2012 ·Lord Monckton was thrown out of the United Nations climate change talks in Doha last night.

    Also “He has been ‘de-badged’, meaning he no longer has a visa to stay in Qatar and had 24 hours to leave the country.”



    The hereditary peer, who is not a member of the House of Lords, took the chair of Myanmar and spoke into the microphone against UN climate change protocols.

    After a short speech, in which he was booed, he was escorted out of the meeting by UN guards.

    “In the 16 years we have been coming to these events there has been no global warming at all,” said Monckton.

    He added: “Even if we were to take action to prevent global warming the cost would be many times greater than cost of making adaptive measures later. Our recommendation is that we should initiate very quickly a review of the science to make sure that we are all on the right track.”

    He has been banned for life from UN climate talks.

    Speaking afterwards, he said, “I know it was bad of me, but I got some brief points across which the delegates probably didn’t expect.

    He has been ‘de-badged’, meaning he no longer has a visa to stay in Qatar and had 24 hours to leave the country.

    The former climate change adviser at UKIP, who tours the world speaking on global warming, said it was not a problem as he was flying out of the country that day.
    The UN talks are in danger of collapsing as anger grows at the lack of progress towards a global deal to cut emissions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwjC-MMKwRY

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...-protocol.html
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    A heretic of the religion of anthropomorphic (carbon tax) global warming. They took his badge. He should have dropped his trousers and mooned them.

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    Yep!

    He just got excommunicated by the highpriests of the controlling scientific religion.
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Yep!

    He just got excommunicated by the highpriests of the controlling scientific religion.
    That's a badge of honor in itself, to one in possession of a conscience that is. By and by, anyone know if Al Gore is still hiding from our friend Christopher Monckton?

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    The sure cause of it I am not sure, is it space changes or carbon emissions, it does not matter. Is it a change in the Gulf Stream currents due to the oil in the Gulf of Mexico? Is it a hick into the usual earth changes over the centuries and an announcement of some more dramatic climate changes to come (heat or freeze), I do not know.

    But one thing I do know, is that today is the 9th of December today, and it is raining outside. It is that last year we had about no snow. The year before not much either, and the year before neither. In complete contrast to my childhood.

    Also, we have had the warmest summers on records for 2-3 years now. Records dating back centuries.

    It is very difficult for me to admit there is no global warming. It goes against all my physical senses, meaning what I see, feel, hear. Any Northener on this planet would tell you.

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    Thursday, December 20, 2012
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    Shouting from the Rooftops
    By Alan Caruba

    For years, decades actually, I and others have been shouting from the rooftops that global warming was a hoax. We were called “deniers” and “skeptics.” A lot of time has passed since the late 1980s when Dr. James Hansen, the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, kicked off the global warming hoax with testimony before Congress.

    Global warming gained momentum because the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seized on it as a means to redistribute the wealth from developed nations to those that have lagged behind and because the media love stories of imminent danger. The media remains largely committed to global warming despite ample evidence it is (a) not happening and (b) a complete lie.

    While many regard former Vice President Al Gore as the poster boy of global warming, it has been the IPCC that has been the main culprit in advancing the hoax, issuing reports of dire consequences if nations do not reduce their “greenhouse gas”emissions (mainly carbon dioxide abbreviated as CO2) to avoid a dramatically increased warming in ten, twenty, or fifty years. As time went along, global warming was coming any day now, but it never seemed to arrive.

    The problem the lead scientists providing the bogus data to support the IPCC reports encountered was the perfectly natural cooling cycle the Earth entered about sixteen years ago. In 2009, a leak of emails between them was dubbed “Climategate” as it revealed how these conspirators were panicked by the cooling that began to occur around 1998. It also revealed their efforts to smear scientists who dissented from their claims as “deniers”and “skeptics” and plotted to deny them access to leading science publications.

    The primary claim made by the IPCC and other “warmists” was that there was a“consensus” among the world’s scientists, but anyone familiar with science knows that it does not operate on consensus. Instead, each new hypothesis or theory is always challenged, often for decades, until it is proven to be reproducible and resistant to alternative interpretation.

    John O’Sullivan of Principia Scientific International, an organization of scientists and others battling the global warming hoax, recently reported to its members, interested parties, and science writers like myself of the leak of data by one of the IPCC researchers, Alec Rawls, who no longer wanted to be a party to its reports.

    O’Sullivan reported that “Up till now the role of the Sun, referred to as enhanced solar forcing, received only scant mention in prior IPCC reports (AR3 and AR4) being glibly dismissed. But this is the first time IPCC authors have acknowledged the evidence that a solar mechanism seems to be at work.”

    “The source of the leak, Alec Rawls, said, “I participated in ‘expert review’ of the Second Order Draft of AR5 (the next IPCC report), Working Group 1 (“The Scientific Basis”) and am now making the full draft available to the public. His reason for taking this action, a break in the confidentially agreement, was the “systematic dishonesty of the report” which he said was corrupted by “bad faith” and “fraud.”

    It might seem obvious to most people that the Sun is the most powerful factor in climate change, given the records of the gains and reductions of solar radiation, the Earth’s many ice ages, and the simple fact that it gets colder at night than during the day!


    The solar mechanism is, of course, the Sun.

    The global warming—now called climate change—hoax depends on convincing people that greenhouse gases, the exhalation of carbon dioxide by humans and mammals, and emissions based on the use of coal, oil, and natural gas pose a threat to the planet’s temperatures. In a very real way, hard core environmentalists favor reducing the world’s population by any means possible and the reduction in all the modern technologies that use energy, coal, natural gas and oil, to enhance life around the globe.

    “The (IPCC) admission of strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing changes everything,” said Rawls. “The climate alarmists can’t continue to claim that warming was entirely due to human activity over a period when solar warming effects…were acknowledged to be important.”

    In other words, humans play a very small role in the Earth’s climate, especially when compared to the power of the Sun.

    This is what some very brave climate scientists and meteorologists have been saying for decades! They have been ignored or derided by the mainstream media who are wedded to the global warming hoax. It had the power of the federal government behind it (and still does) because it remains the justification for costly programs. From the Environmental Protection Agency to the Defense Department and all federal agencies in between, they continue to pump out propaganda and regulations based on this Big Lie.

    The United Nations program exists to redistribute billions from developed nations to those who have lagged behind. The recently concluded IPCC conference made the transition from global warming to climate change to “sustainability” with the demand that less developed nations receive funding if they are affected by natural weather events such as hurricanes, heat waves, floods, droughts, and tornadoes.

    As Ralph B. Alexander, a physicist and the author of “Global Warming False Alarm”,recently noted, “The link between extreme weather and global warming has as much scientific basis as the pagan rite of human sacrifice to ensure a good harvest.”

    Alexander noted that weather events “show no long-term trend whatever over more than a century of reliable data. Weather extremes have occurred from time immemorial, long before industrialization boosted the CO2 level in the atmosphere.”

    Indeed, the increase of CO2 has not induced or deterred the current climate cycle; cooling. Since the length of interglacial periods between ice ages is about 11,500 years, the Earth is on the cusp of a new ice age. Ironically, the CO2 increase may be delaying it.

    © Alan Caruba, 2012

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    Astrophysicist – We are shifting towards a Little Ice Age – Video

    By Robert On December 30, 2012

    “By any measure, world temperature is declining,” says astrophysicist Piers Corbyn, who also discusses the facts and fictions surrounding climate change, and so-called melting of ice in the Arctic.


    (Excerpts from video) – “The warmists, and the BBC, like talking about the Arctic to back up their delusional climate-change theory,” says Corbyn, of www.weatheraction.com. “They do this rather than talk abut the real weather that people experience, because what people have experienced in Britain and Ireland, is the opposite.”

    “Furthermore, they now have a policy of talking about anything other than temperature, because temperatures are not rising … the world is in fact cooling … even though CO2 has been rising.”

    “By any measure, world temperature is declining.”

    “We are shifting towards a Little Ice Age.”

    “This is because the jet stream is moving south, and has nothing to do with global warming. Their propaganda says warming is cooling. This is absurd.”

    “The fact is that the jet stream moving south is a sign of global cooling.”

    And when it comes to the Arctic, there is more ice in the Arctic now than there was in the minimum of 2007. This is according to official NOAA records.

    “The claim that Arctic ice is shrinking is actually false.”

    “We are headed towards a Little Ice Age … and the current climate propaganda is pointing us in the wrong direction.”


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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    The sure cause of it I am not sure, is it space changes or carbon emissions, it does not matter. Is it a change in the Gulf Stream currents due to the oil in the Gulf of Mexico? Is it a hick into the usual earth changes over the centuries and an announcement of some more dramatic climate changes to come (heat or freeze), I do not know.

    But one thing I do know, is that today is the 9th of December today, and it is raining outside. It is that last year we had about no snow. The year before not much either, and the year before neither. In complete contrast to my childhood.

    Also, we have had the warmest summers on records for 2-3 years now. Records dating back centuries.

    It is very difficult for me to admit there is no global warming. It goes against all my physical senses, meaning what I see, feel, hear. Any Northener on this planet would tell you.
    Sorry Flash, I have to disagree with your local impression, which may well be different from the overall position. Here in northern France, where the coldest of winter only lasts about three weeks, the last few years have seen the coldest snaps since the early eighties.

    To say the earth is cooling is not to say it is at its coldest. Nor is it to say that this cycle will necessarily be as cold as the last one or the next one. The overall trend is cyclical, that's all, not permanently in any one direction.


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    Forget global warming, Alaska is headed for an ice age

    From: http://www.alaskadispatch.com/articl...headed-ice-age


    Alex DeMarban | Dec 23, 2012

    Alaska is going rogue on climate change.

    Defiant as ever, the state that gave rise to Sarah Palin is bucking the mainstream yet again: While global temperatures surge hotter and the ice-cap crumbles, the nation's icebox is getting even icier.

    That may not be news to Alaskans coping with another round of 50-below during the coldest winter in two decades, or to the mariners locked out of the Bering Sea this spring by record ice growth.

    Then again, it might. The 49th state has long been labeled one of the fastest-warming spots on the planet. But that's so 20th Century.

    In the first decade since 2000, the 49th state cooled 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit.



    Widespread warming

    That's a "large value for a decade," the Alaska Climate Research Center at the University of Alaska Fairbanks said in "The First Decade of the New Century: A Cooling Trend for Most of Alaska."

    The cooling is widespread -- holding true for 19 of the 20 National Weather Service stations sprinkled from one corner of Alaska to the other, the paper notes. It's most significant in Western Alaska, where King Salmon on the Alaska Peninsula saw temperatures drop most sharply, a significant 4.5 degrees for the decade, the report says.

    The new nippiness began with a vengeance in 2005, after more than a century that saw temperatures generally veer warmer in Alaska, the report says. With lots of ice to lose, the state had heated up about twice as fast as the rest of the planet, in line with rising global greenhouse gas emissions, note the Alaska Climate Center researchers, Gerd Wendler, L. Chen and Blake Moore. After a "sudden temperature increase" in Alaska starting in 1977, the warmest decade on record occurred in the 1980s, followed by another jump in the 1990s, they note. The third warmest decade was the 1920s, by the way.


    Too chilly for king salmon?

    But now comes cooling. Researchers blame the Decadal Oscillation, an ocean phenomenon that brought chillier surface water temperatures toward Alaska. Some contend the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is harming the state's king salmon runs, too.
    One effect of the oscillation is to weaken the Aleutian Low -- a storm-breeding center known for spitting out winter tempests that help regulate weather in the Lower 48. With that low-pressure center above the Aleutians weakened, polar storms raking Alaska from the north linger longer.

    People have noticed the new chill in King Salmon, but slightly colder temperatures don’t bother you much when you're already bundled up for 20-below, said Don Hatten, the National Weather Service forecaster there. Most noticeable was that for the first time last year, the Bering Sea ice shelf extended south nearly to the edge of the Alaska Peninsula, he said.

    The single exception to Alaska’s cooling trend came in Barrow along North Slope, where the mercury rose as it has across most of the Arctic. That's because that northernmost slice of Alaska is secluded from the rest of the state by the Brooks Range, researchers say. Temperatures for the decade were 3.1 degrees higher in Barrow. That trend continued earlier this year, with weeks of above average temperatures in Barrow, apparently driven in part by Arctic Ocean ice melting.


    Some like it cold

    Will Alaska’s frigid spell last long? The researchers don't know. The report notes, however, that Alaska endured three decades of relative cold starting in the mid-1940s. Many Alaskans pray the current cold stretch abates sooner.
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    This sis the best explanation I have heard of to answer the question in the OP.

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    Straight to the point and easy for all the goons in the UK Government to understand.
    Australian Geologist exposes climate change hoax.

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    today from the bbc:

    Scientists have their best measure yet for the amount of ice in Antarctica.

    A detailed analysis of data compiled during 50 years of exploration shows the White Continent to contain about 26-and-a-half-million cubic km.

    It is a colossal volume, and to put that in some sort of context: if this ice was all converted to liquid water, it would be sufficient to raise the height of the world's oceans by 58m.

    These numbers come out of an international project known as Bedmap2



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    Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling


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    Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

    That is one of the most interesting conclusions to come out of the seventh International Climate Change Conference sponsored by the Heartland Institute, held last week in Chicago. I attended, and served as one of the speakers, talking about The Economic Implications of High Cost Energy.

    The conference featured serious natural science, contrary to the self-interested political science you hear from government financed global warming alarmists seeking to justify widely expanded regulatory and taxation powers for government bodies, or government body wannabees, such as the United Nations. See for yourself, as the conference speeches are online.

    What you will see are calm, dispassionate presentations by serious, pedigreed scientists discussing and explaining reams of data. In sharp contrast to these climate realists, the climate alarmists have long admitted that they cannot defend their theory that humans are causing catastrophic global warming in public debate. With the conference presentations online, let’s see if the alarmists really do have any response.

    The Heartland Institute has effectively become the international headquarters of the climate realists, an analog to the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It has achieved that status through these international climate conferences, and the publication of its Climate Change Reconsidered volumes, produced in conjunction with the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC).

    Those Climate Change Reconsidered volumes are an equivalently thorough scientific rebuttal to the irregular Assessment Reports of the UN’s IPCC. You can ask any advocate of human caused catastrophic global warming what their response is to Climate Change Reconsidered. If they have none, they are not qualified to discuss the issue intelligently.

    Check out the 20th century temperature record, and you will find that its up and down pattern does not follow the industrial revolution’s upward march of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), which is the supposed central culprit for man caused global warming (and has been much, much higher in the past). It follows instead the up and down pattern of naturally caused climate cycles.

    For example, temperatures dropped steadily from the late 1940s to the late 1970s. The popular press was even talking about a coming ice age. Ice ages have cyclically occurred roughly every 10,000 years, with a new one actually due around now.

    In the late 1970s, the natural cycles turned warm and temperatures rose until the late 1990s, a trend that political and economic interests have tried to milk mercilessly to their advantage. The incorruptible satellite measured global atmospheric temperatures show less warming during this period than the heavily manipulated land surface temperatures.

    Central to these natural cycles is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Every 25 to 30 years the oceans undergo a natural cycle where the colder water below churns to replace the warmer water at the surface, and that affects global temperatures by the fractions of a degree we have seen. The PDO was cold from the late 1940s to the late 1970s, and it was warm from the late 1970s to the late 1990s, similar to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).

    In 2000, the UN’s IPCC predicted that global temperatures would rise by 1 degree Celsius by 2010. Was that based on climate science, or political science to scare the public into accepting costly anti-industrial regulations and taxes?

    Don Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus of Geology at Western Washington University, knew the answer. He publicly predicted in 2000 that global temperatures would decline by 2010. He made that prediction because he knew the PDO had turned cold in 1999, something the political scientists at the UN’s IPCC did not know or did not think significant.
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    That's a simple question Bill. The methane in the North is melting because of the sun's rays and flares. Problem is it's creating warmer climate, and the side of the earth NOT facing the sun, the South Antartic, doesn't get as much sunlight, and cooler than the North that is facing directly as it rotates. Perhaps that rumour of the tilt correcting during Argentina 8.1 Earthquake, set it on it's axis?

    Whatever the Creator has planned for us, We will have a cold climate somewhere on this planet. Hopefully, methane will not excape the oceans below. Perhaps WE can ship the polar bears there since they are used to ice floats and cold weather. They fish, and can excape extinction. it will take a few years to get them used to the surrounding landscape, but they won't be hungry, starving or without ice and drowning.

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    Claude Allegre, a leading French scientist and one of France's top socialist, who was among the first scientists to try to warn people of the dangers of global warming 20 years ago, now believes that “increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena”. Allegre said, “There is no basis for saying, as most do, that the “science is settled.” He is convinced that global warming is a natural change and sees the threat of the ‘great dangers’ that it supposedly poses as being bloated and highly exaggerated. Allègre has accused those agreeing with the mainstream scientific view of global warming of being motivated by money, saying that “the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people! Rather amazing statement coming from one of the top socialist in France who is all but ignored by the mainstream media today.
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    Is the Earth a Living Sentient Organism?
    Is the Earth a giant living organism as the Gaia hypothesis predicts? A new discovery made at the University of Maryland may provide a key to answering this question. This key of sulfur could allow scientists to unlock heretofore hidden interactions between ocean organisms, atmosphere, and land -- interactions that might provide evidence supporting this famous theory.

    The Gaia hypothesis -- first articulated by James Lovelock and Lynn Margulis in the 1970s -- holds that Earth's physical and biological processes are inextricably connected to form a self-regulating, essentially sentient, system.

    Anyone that given any thought to the universe has long since understood that the earth it is a living breathing organism It is self regulating self cleaning and self perpetuating. Severe storms, volcanic eruptions, floods, earthquakes, tsunami's, extreme heat and extreme cold are all part of the self cleaning self perpetuating activity that it performs without mans help or assistance. We are living on this earth at the pleasure of the earth itself, depending on how you look at it we are a inconvenience to the earth or we are part of a vital and intricate plan for earth and the universe as a whole. My personal take is the later. The point is, if the earth or the universe deemed us to be unnecessary or not vital to the overall plan we would be gone in a day.
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    Is global warming confined to Earth?
    National Geographic News reported that a simultaneous rising in temperature on both Mars and Earth suggest that climate change is indeed a natural phenomenon as opposed to being man-made. The report further explains how NASA has reported that Mars’ carbon dioxide ice caps have been melting for a few years now. Sound familiar? An astronomical observatory in Russia declared that, “the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun”. They further point out that both Mars and Earth have, throughout their histories, experienced periodic ice ages as climate changes in a continuous fashion. NASA has also been observing massive storms on Saturn, which indicate a climate change occurring on that planet as well. NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope has also been recording massive climate changes on Neptune’s largest moon, Triton. Triton, whose surface was once made up of frozen nitrogen, is now turning into gas. The Associated Press has reported that satellites that measure the temperature of sunlight have been recording an increase in the sun’s temperature, meaning that the sun itself is warming up. Even the London Telegraph reported in 2004 that global warming was due to the sun being hotter than it has ever been in the past 1,000 years. They cited this information from research conducted by German and Swiss scientists who claim that it is increasing radiation from the sun that is resulting in our current climate change.
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    Did cap and trade work in Europe?
    The problem is that the European community has already tried such approaches, and the results have been poor. Clean energy policies in the generating sector have increased electricity prices, indeed often doubling them. Cap-and-trade policies have enriched the companies that were granted free allowances by giving them a commodity to sell that they paid nothing to obtain. European carbon-dioxide emissions were rising, until the global recession lowered them—lowered them, in many cases, below targets set by cap-and-trade, so that companies did not have to take further actions to reduce emissions. And, as studies have shown, European clean-energy policies have resulted in job losses, often in economies already hurting.

    What happen to carbon offset (carbon Trading in the European experiment?
    Recently, tax evasion has been added to the list of ills stemming from carbon trading. German prosecutors searched 230 offices and homes of employees of Deutsche Bank, Germany’s largest bank, and of RWE, Germany’s second-biggest utility, to investigate tax evasion of 180 million euros ($238 million U.S.) linked to emissions trading. Last year, the U.K., France, and the Netherlands started investigating carbon traders who committed fraud by collecting the tax and then disappearing without turning the tax funds in. According to estimates from Bloomberg New Energy Finance, about 400 million metric tons of emission trades may have been fraudulent last year, or about 7 percent of the total market.
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    Do Carbon Offsets Help or are they a scam?
    Even in the case of energy-based schemes, however, many people argue that offsetting is unhelpful – or even counterproductive – in the fight against climate change. For example, writer George Monbiot famously compared carbon offsets with the ancient Catholic church's practice of selling indulgences: absolution from sins and reduced time in purgatory in return for financial donations to the church. Just as indulgences allowed the rich to feel better about sinful behaviour without actually changing their ways, carbon offsets allow us to "buy complacency, political apathy and self-satisfaction", Monbiot claimed. "Our guilty consciences appeased, we continue to fill up our SUVs and fly round the world without the least concern about our impact on the planet … it's like pushing the food around on your plate to create the impression that you have eaten it."

    A similar if more humorous point is made by the spoof websiteCheatNeutral.com, which parodies carbon neutrality by offering a similar service for infidelity. "When you cheat on your partner you add to the heartbreak, pain and jealousy in the atmosphere," the website explains. "CheatNeutral offsets your cheating by funding someone else to be faithful and not cheat. This neutralises the pain and unhappy emotion and leaves you with a clear conscience."

    There is no regulation for carbon offsets, they only work if you think you can buy a clean conscious.
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    Does Grant Money influence Global Warming Findings
    In the end, it’s not about science; it’s about government (tax-payer) grant money.
    Scientists live or die by grant money. A long time ago universities began to realize that there’s big money to be made in doing research for the government. Global warming is no longer a cause it is an industry and it is called that by the mainstream media but no one seems to be paying attention. There is an unspoken secret amongst universities and corporations that rely on government grant money, if you don,t play ball with us on the Global Warming issue, it will be financial suicide. 'All' your government grant money will dry up not just global warming money but virtually all of it!

    These headlines show you clearly show us that grant money is only available to Univeristies and Corporations that already believe that Global Warming is real and man-made. Not one dollar is allocated to the question of 'Is Global Warming Real or Man-Made'.
    Global Warming Solutions Act
    Impact of global warming on forest
    Global Warming effects on ocean life
    Global warm solutions for agriculture


    This list could go on an on but the bottom line is most of the grant money today is being allocated on the basis that global warming is real.! Is there an agenda that they are attempting to force on people? You bet there is an agenda and it is called money and people need to recognize the truth about this issue.

    The Facts
    • Global Warming and Global Cooling are real, it is simply what the sentient organism we call earth does. It has been going on since the beginning of time and it will go on for the rest of time.
    • Global Warming is not confined to earth, it is being experience through out the universe, at least in our own neighborhood, Mars, Saturn, Neptune etc.
    • Yes, man is putting carbon into the environment but not enough to influence massive changes in the weather. We should all do our part to insure clean water, clean air and a safe food supply but we do not need government intervention.
    • Cap and trade taxes have proven to be detrimental to economies, government intervention rarely works, if ever.
    • Carbon offsets are a scam and should never have been put in place.
    • The governments of the world are aggressively pushing the Global Warming / Climate Change agenda because they want to tax people on the weather. This would be an new endless supply of revenue which they desperately need to fund their reckless spending.
    • The media is clearing has an agenda, global warming stories sell, sensational headlines about the doom and gloom of global warming get attention sells papers and advertising time so it is about the money.
    • The media and the government have never allowed open healthy debate about Global Warming, they know if the facts came out in the open they would never win and their agenda's would cease to exist.


    So it is an age old story that we have heard time after time............it is all about the money. Advertising revenue for the media, grant money to universities and corporations and tax money for governments. Is anyone surprised!

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