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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    sure seems like ice is increasing all over; maybe the progression going to be something like

    Global Warming > Climate change > Global Cooling
    It's probably cyclic:

    Global Warming > Climate change > Global Cooling > Climate change > Global Warming ...

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    Antarctica, is it melting or not? Man-made global warming can't explain this climate paradox

    Aeneas Georg
    Sott.net, Thu, 15 May 2014 08:34 CDT

    In the last week or so a number of articles have surfaced concerning scientific observations made in Antarctica. When comparing these articles, it's hard to not be a little puzzled as to what is going on. One even gets the impression that climate scientists don't talk much to each other but rather stay within their own specific field of research. Before we examine these articles, let's take a quick look at Antarctica. According to Wikipedia:
    At 14.0 million km2 (5.4 million sq mi), it is the fifth-largest continent in area after Asia, Africa, North America, and South America. For comparison, Antarctica is nearly twice the size of Australia.

    About 98% of Antarctica is covered by the Antarctic ice sheet, a sheet of ice averaging at least 1.6 km (1.0 mi) thick. The continent has about 90% of the world's ice (and thereby about 70% of the world's fresh water).
    Furthermore the Antarctic ice sheet is divided into the West Antarctic ice sheet (WAIS) and the East Antarctic ice sheet (EAIS), something which is often missed in the mainstream media, where promoting the man-made global warming idea is all-important. Here is an image of Antarctica:



    © Wikipedia

    I couldn't find the exact percentage but as we can see, the WAIS is by far the smaller of the two ice sheets, accounting for no more than 20%. There are important differences between the two ice sheets. From Wikipedia again:
    In East Antarctica, the ice sheet rests on a major land mass, but in West Antarctica the bed can extend to more than 2,500 meters below sea level. Much of the land in this area would be seabed if the ice sheet were not there.
    Earlier this week a report claimed: Antarctica's ice melt is unstoppable:
    Massive regions of the ice sheet that makes up West Antarctica have begun collapsing in a process that scientists have worried about for decades and fear is likely unstoppable, two separate teams of scientists said on Monday.
    A Guardian headline specified that Western Antarctic ice sheet collapse has already begun, scientists warn, with the subheading, "Two separate studies confirm loss of ice sheet is inevitable, and will cause up to 4 meters of additional sea-level rise."
    The collapse of the Western Antarctica ice sheet is already under way and is unstoppable, two separate teams of scientists said on Monday.

    The glaciers' retreat is being driven by climate change and is already causing sea-level rise at a much faster rate than scientists had anticipated.

    The loss of the entire western Antarctica ice sheet could eventually cause up to 4 metres (13ft) of sea-level rise, devastating low-lying and coastal areas around the world. But the researchers said that even though such a rise could not be stopped, it is still several centuries off, and potentially up to 1,000 years away.
    Making predictions and statements about something being "unstoppable", and sea level rises hundreds of years - if not thousand of years - into the future, is seems to be a little unscientific and more akin to saying what elicits the most institutional grants wishful crystal-gazing, especially given the fact that the current events are little understood.

    WAIS may be melting, but the Guardian goes on to report that the larger EAIS is growing at a rate of about 60 gigatons per year:
    A more recent estimate published in November 2012 and based on the GRACE data, as well as on an improved glacial isostatic adjustment model, indicates that the East Antarctica actually gained mass from 2002 to 2010 at a rate of 60 ± 13 Gt/y.
    A separate report in the news a few days ago concerned record sea ice around Antarctica. So these are two different phenomena different teams of scientists are monitoring: ice levels on Antarctica (East vs West), and sea ice extent around Antarctica.

    The two are most likely connected, something which the scientists appear reluctant to discuss because man-made global warming dictates that we see just melting ice.

    According to this May 12th article in The Australian:
    Antarctic sea ice has expanded to record levels for April, increasing by more than 110,000sq km a day last month to nine million square kilometres.

    © National Snow and Ice Data Center
    The National Snow and Ice Data Centre said the rapid expansion had continued into May and the seasonal cover was now bigger than the record "by a significant margin''.

    "This exceeds the past record for the satellite era by about 320,000sq km, which was set in April 2008,'' the centre said. 
    In other words, Antarctic sea ice is growing and has been above the long term average for some time. Have a look at today's status:


    © University of Illinois

    Antarctic sea ice has now been significantly above the satellite average level for 16 consecutive months.

    What's clear is that there are no signs that Antarctica is 'melting' as a whole. That doesn't mean the studies cited above regarding melting of West Antarctica's ice sheets are bogus; just perhaps that too much effort has gone into 'fitting the facts around the policy'... When one only has a hammer, everything looks like a nail, as the saying goes.

    So what can explain this paradox between observations in East and West Antarctica?

    As mentioned earlier, with respect to WAIS, " the bed can extend to more than 2,500 m below sea level". As such it would also be vulnerable to what goes on in the depths. Wikipedia again:
    In contrast to the melting of the Arctic sea ice, sea ice around Antarctica has expanded in recent years. The reasons for this are not fully understood, but suggestions include the climatic effects on ocean and atmospheric circulation of the ozone hole, and/or cooler ocean surface temperatures as the warming deep waters melt the ice shelves.
    Now this last bit is interesting. It has been observed that deeper layers of the oceans have been warming in recent years. The IPCC has explained away the 'pause in global warming' with the idea that all the heat in the atmosphere that 'should' have warmed our little planet has 'pulled a fast one' by hiding in the deep oceans. Not only that, but in the course of doing that, this 'model-predicted atmospheric heat' cooled the top layers of the oceans on its way down. No mean feat!

    An announcement made a few days ago is, I think, key to explaining what's really going on here. Yet another team of Antarctic researchers warned that an active volcano is threatening to erupt underneath the ice in West Antarctica:
    Scientists had intended to use the seismograph machines to help in their efforts to weigh the ice sheet - only to find that a volcano was in fact forming underneath the ice.


    Although an eruption would be unlikely to breach the ice - the accompanying heat could have an effect on the landscape

    Volcanic activity was discovered around 30 miles from Antarctica's highest volcano, Mount Sidley, and although an eruption would be unlikely to breach the ice - the accompanying heat could have an effect on the landscape.

    Even a sub-glacial eruption would still be able to melt ice, creating huge amounts of water which could flow beneath the ice and towards the sea - hastening the flow of the overlying ice and potentially speeding up the rate of ice sheet loss.


    Volcanic activity was discovered around 30 miles from Antarctica's highest volcano, Mount Sidley

    "Numerous volcanoes exist in Marie Byrd Land, a highland region of West Antarctica," said Amanda Lough, of Washington University in St Louis in the team's paper on the subject, published in the Nature Geoscience journal.
    And this isn't the only active volcanic region under West Antarctica: another research team discovered a different active volcano in 2004. The authors of the Mount Sidley report frame underwater volcanoes in terms of 'compounding the effect of global warming', but what if they are the only , or most significant, reason for melting ice in West Antarctica?

    One other piece of data concerning Antarctica has been in the news in the last few days. This time it concerns the Southern Winds:
    "The Southern Ocean winds are now stronger than at any other time in the past 1,000 years," said the study's lead researcher Nerilie Abram of an ocean notorious for having some of the fiercest winds and largest waves on the planet.

    "The strengthening of these winds has been particularly prominent over the past 70 years, and by combining our observations with climate models we can clearly link this to rising greenhouse gas levels."

    The new research, which was published in the Nature Climate Change journal, explains why Antarctica is not warming as much as other continents.

    The westerly winds, which do not touch the eastern parts of Antarctica but circle in the ocean around it, were trapping more of the cold air over the area as they strengthened, with the world's southernmost continent "stealing more of Australia's rainfall", Abram said.

    "This is why Antarctica has bucked the trend. Every other continent is warming, and the Arctic is warming fastest of anywhere on earth," she said.
    It's not just Antarctica bucking the trend, but the whole globe. In the last 17 years there has been no 'global warming'. As IPCC lead author Kevin Trenberth said: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't."

    Yes, it is a travesty! Climate models are only as good as the assumptions they're based on. The authors of climate papers are trained to frame everything in terms of one factor: a carbon dioxide increase they attribute to human activity, which obscures awareness of being part of a much larger system that surely has multiple influences acting on the planet's complex climate.

    Take this recent discovery, for example. Scientists were 'spooked' to learn that apparently simultaneous weather effects take place at both poles, the result (they think) of upper atmosphere 'teleconnections'. Noctilucent cloud intensity at the poles, it seems, is a precursor to changes in global weather patterns.


    © NASA AIM
    NASA Aeronomy of Ice in the Mesosphere (AIM) satellite image of Antarctica, showing night-shining (noctilucent) developing earlier than usual in 2013.

    This discovery, in turn, was founded on the discovery a couple of years ago that one of the principal ingredients for noctilucent clouds is 'meteor smoke' from meteors entering Earth's atmosphere. Knowing that both noctilucent clouds and meteor fireballs are increasing in intensity and frequency, the way is open for scientists to connect the 'planet-wide-climate-change-dots' between the weak current solar cycle, loading of the atmosphere with meteor smoke a.k.a. comet dust, volcanoes erupting all over the place, and more earthquakes than ever before.

    Could human activity be responsible for all this? Perhaps, but if it is true that we collectively play a key role, then it is in a far more fundamental way than runaway greenhouse gas by-products of our modern lifestyles. An upcoming book by SOTT.net Editor Pierre Lescaudron - Earth Changes and the Human-Cosmic Connection - explores the strong correlation between periods of authoritarian oppression and catastrophic, cosmically-induced natural disasters, reconciling modern science with ancient understanding that the human mind and states of collective human experience can influence cosmic and earthly phenomena.

    Comment: See also:

    Volcanic eruptions, rising CO2, boiling oceans, and why man-made global warming is not even wrong
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Amzer, have you seen this video? It's good.

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    Indeed, a good video!
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

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    Amzer, have you seen this video? It's good.

    Yes, many thanks -- I happened to watch this last week, and it's excellent.

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    Actually I posted this on another thread earlier...

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...agr-Ionosphere....



    Which leads to another article, I'l have to find somewhere to post....

    'Whether the weather is a scam ?'




    Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for publication in
    respected journal because it was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause, claims
    professor

    Friday 16th May 2014 at 06:56 By David Icke








    ‘A scientific study which suggests global warming has been exaggerated was
    rejected by a respected journal because it might fuel climate scepticism, it was
    claimed last night.

    The alarming intervention, which raises fears of ‘McCarthyist’ pressure for
    environmental scientists to conform, came after a reviewer said the research
    was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause.

    Professor Lennart Bengtsson, a research fellow at the University of Reading and one
    of five authors of the study, said he suspected that intolerance of dissenting views
    on climate science was preventing his paper from being published.’

    Read more: Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for
    publication in respected journal because it was 'less than helpful' to the climate
    cause, claims professor

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...professor.html
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    Why Global Warming Failed

    Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 05:12 By David Icke



    Published on 12 May 2014


    CLIMATE CHANGE IS VERY REAL - BUT THE OFFICIALS HAVE JEOPARDIZED OUR ABILITY TO PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE
    Global warming models/predictions have been an abject failure for 20 years, and yet the IPCC claims ever-higher certainty?

    How does this happen and what comes next?

    All papers and charts are publicly available information, or you send us an email
    and we will forward the source/citation for any information. Most of the citations
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    From Global warming in the 70's-90's to climate change from the 2000's
    this has been a great cash cow for those involved, in grants and scams....

    The common theme on all these conspiracy verses scientific facts seems to depend
    on whether the scientists want their pay cheques or not.....LOL

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    Weather Channel Founder DESTROYS Global Warming Mythology - John Coleman



    Published on 27 Mar 2014


    Is Global Warming really happening? There are many voices in opposition to the
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    the original weathercaster on "Good Morning, America." After that Coleman
    founded and served as CEO and President of the Weather Channel.

    In 2007, Coleman began to speak out as a skeptic on the issue of global warming.
    He describes the wave of concern about global warming "a fictional, manufactured crisis."

    He believes many scientists and politicians have engaged in fraudulent activity
    based on bad science in a continuing quest for funding. He also explains the one-
    world government motive behind the formation of the United Nations
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

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    Respected Australian scientists laugh at Julia Gillard, David Suzuki and other
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    the politics behind climate science.
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    AMAZING information in the first 50 min of this video (watching as I type) on global climates, and what it means about RIGHT NOW. [ Mod-edit: Joe Rogan comes on at 6:20 into this video. -- Paul. ]

    Quote Randall Carlson is a master builder and architectural designer, teacher, geometrician, geomythologist, geological explorer and renegade scholar.



    This entire thread is brought into context by this man.


    the outcome is very different from anything I've heard.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    AMAZING information in the first 50 min of this video
    AMAZING information in the entire 3 hour video (except the first 6 min 20 sec <grin>).

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    AMAZING information in the first 50 min of this video
    AMAZING information in the entire 3 hour video (except the first 6 min 20 sec <grin>).
    Capitalism does want its pound of flesh, doesn't it... (or 6 min 20 sec).

    This video is amazing for a few reasons, I'd say the key one being that we need to shift our focus from anthropomorphic climate change to WTF do we do when an asteroid hits the planet (as they seem to do all the time) and causes another global 50% extinction... If you stripped away the plant life on earth it will look exactly like the moon; thousands of impact craters.


    For example:
    Every recorded meteorite strike on Earth since 2,300 BCE mapped



    http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/18/40...earth-2300-BCE

    is a debatable increase in temperature in 100+ years or that map more worrying? Which should we be spending billions of dollars on, which should we be spending our time and energy on?
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    19 May 2014 Last updated at 10:33

    Esa's Cryosat mission sees Antarctic ice losses double
    By Jonathan Amos

    Science correspondent, BBC News



    Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the ocean - twice
    as much as when the continent was last surveyed.

    The new assessment comes from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft, which has a radar
    instrument specifically designed to measure the shape of the ice sheet.

    The melt loss from the White Continent is sufficient to push up global sea levels by
    around 0.43mm per year.

    Scientists report the data in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

    The new study incorporates three years of measurements from 2010 to 2013, and
    updates a synthesis of observations made by other satellites over the period 2005
    to 2010.

    Cryosat has been using its altimeter to trace changes in the height of the ice sheet
    - as it gains mass through snowfall, and loses mass through melting.


    Read more...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27465050
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    Antarctic Sea-Ice Coverage Continues Breaking Records

    By Robert On May 19, 2014 · 1 Comment


    Sea-ice coverage grew about 43,500 square miles per day in Antarctica this summer, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDC). April 2014 beat the previous sea-ice coverage record from April 2008 by a whopping 124,000 square miles.
    In fact, Antarctic sea ice coverage hit 3.5 million square miles in April— the largest on record.
    One-hundred-and-twenty-four-thousand miles! That’s bigger than Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland combined, with enough room left over for an additional 184 Manhattans.
    And it’s not over. “Record levels continue to be set in early May,” reports the NSDC. Sea ice levels have been “significantly above” satellite data averages for 16 consecutive months.
    If a chunk of ice the size of Manhattan breaks off of a glacier, the worldwide media wrings its collective hands. But if sea-ice coverage grows by the size of seven states plus 184 Manhattans, you hear nary a word.

    I wonder why that is?

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/12/gl...#ixzz32Cdu0KsE

    Thanks to Jason Cragg and Ron de Haan for this link

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the ocean - twice
    as much as when the continent was last surveyed.
    VS

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Sea-ice coverage grew about 43,500 square miles per day in Antarctica this summer, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDC). April 2014 beat the previous sea-ice coverage record from April 2008 by a whopping 124,000 square miles.
    In fact, Antarctic sea ice coverage hit 3.5 million square miles in April— the largest on record.One-hundred-and-twenty-four-thousand miles! That’s bigger than Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland combined, with enough room left over for an additional 184 Manhattans.
    Clearly both these posters felt that what they were sharing was valid, and clearly they both depict completely opposite situations.


    So, what do we have here? Is this simply prejudiced to the topic that blocks one side from seeing the other?


    I think this is due to how the brain responds to Strongly held Beliefs; we fall into a light (or heavy) "fight or flight" response, triggering the reptilian system which physically makes you respond in an irrational way.

    I think I've posted this video here 10+ times, but the first 15 min of this video clearly explains this process; it's very interesting and promotes (at least in me) an "ah, ha" moment... so much of life's interactions make sense with this information in perspective.

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    Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the ocean - twice
    as much as when the continent was last surveyed.
    VS




    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Sea-ice coverage grew about 43,500 square miles per day in Antarctica this summer,
    according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDC). April 2014 beat the
    previous sea-ice coverage record from April 2008 by a whopping 124,000 square miles.
    In fact, Antarctic sea ice coverage hit 3.5 million square miles in April— the largest on
    record.One-hundred-and-twenty-four-thousand miles! That’s bigger than Vermont, New
    Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland combined,
    with enough room left over for an additional 184 Manhattans.
    Clearly both these posters felt that what they were sharing was valid, and clearly they
    both depict completely opposite situations.

    I agree and the BBC report is saying the complete opposite to the
    articles I put up a couple of posts earlier. Ironically I am listening/
    watching to the vids I put up on the Gobekli Tepi thread..
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...s-Gobekli-Tepe...

    I mention this as I'm not up to date with the vids on this thread,
    but the main theme is that a lost civilisation is reamerging from
    the last ice age. Graham Hancock and others have been saying
    this for decades and it is now coming to light.

    So how do we explain the complete opposites of the argument
    that one party says we have more ice than ever at the South
    pole and the other says we far less.......They cannot both be
    right......

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Just in case readers are all confused in comparing the two posts I referred to, here is the breakdown:

    Post # 182:
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    WAIS (Western Antarctic Ice Sheet) may be melting, but the Guardian goes on to report that the larger EAIS (East Antarctica Ice Sheet) is growing at a rate of about 60 gigatons per year:
    A more recent estimate published in November 2012 and based on the GRACE data, as well as on an improved glacial isostatic adjustment model, indicates that the East Antarctica actually gained mass from 2002 to 2010 at a rate of 60 ± 13 Gt/y.
    Post # 191:
    Quote Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the ocean
    BBC, a staunch supporter of "Global Warming," (or the scientists they quote) fails to mention in its headline that it's WAIS that's losing ice (mostly due to volcanism, submarine ridges and under ice) whereas there are 60 Gigatons (60 billion tonnes) of ice accumulating every year on EAIS (up to 2010, steady no apparent increased accumulation for the last 3 years according to CryoSat)... that alone should indicate that it's not due to Antarctic weather... global or not!

    Hence, Robert Felix's comment:

    Quote If a chunk of ice the size of Manhattan breaks off of a glacier, the worldwide media [e.g. BBC] wrings its collective hands. But if sea-ice coverage grows by the size of seven states plus 184 Manhattans, you hear nary a word.

    I wonder why that is?

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Well I'm listening to segments of the Bob & Ion show and its crazy & brilliant
    and frustrating as ever, and the subjects vary from music, films. philosophy
    medical problems, love & relationships, politics, cursing and the meaning of life.
    you name and it comes up somewhere over the hours. Some of it is fun banter
    and chaos but other segments are up with the best of science. Now after
    giving it the big build up...LOL....

    I have just listened to the 11pm sat 18 may 2014 segment and at 43 min mark
    Bert asks Ion a question about the Earth Atmosphere , Ions answer is only a min
    or so and includes a statement that the extended poles are moving away and is
    why the ice is melting and the 'Click' has occurred then Bob makes a comment and
    Ion says its not the earth flipping......I don't know what it means ?? Has any one
    heard of the world expanding or the pole shifting.Ion did say the poles have not
    shifted yet...Bert starts his questions 36 mins in and he starts with one about
    Tachyons and neutrons which is interesting and above my paygrade which ends
    with Ion doing a Steven Hawkins impression which is funny and Bert asks at the
    end does Steven Hawkins listen to the show and Ion says yes. ( who knows ? ).
    Then comes the above question where Ion talks about the poles melting........After
    that theres a discussion about Science and how it is just a label, which is also good......


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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Has any one heard of the world expanding or the pole shifting.Ion did say the poles have not shifted yet.
    At the risk of missing the mark for the reason that I did not listen to the audio:
    • That the earth's magnet poles sometimes reverse entirely, and continuously drift gradually, is "accepted" knowledge.
    • That the earth might be expanding, gradually but substantially over millions of years, is a controversial alternative theory for which some find considerable good evidence.
    • That the entire mass of the earth might physically rotate "up-side-down" is ridiculed as impossible.

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    P.S. == I have now made a brief attempt to listen. Not my cup of tea .
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Quote P.S. == I have now made a brief attempt to listen. Not my cup of tea .
    It is hard to listen to unless you are tuned into the frequency, I have heard
    thousands of hours so I'm in tune to a degree...LOL ...Bob is a Scholar of
    McClune ,James Joyce,Mae Brussel and many of the shifters and shakers of the
    20th century, and is a expert on Finnagans wake, which is how the show tends to
    pan out, bear in mind Bob is in his nineties and has been involved in some
    clandestine activities in his MI5 days.

    I have heard of pole shifts and the expanding earth theory as well but do not
    understand enough of how it works, but I found it interesting and its a shame
    they did not exspand on it. I just got a picture of the poles melting , but not
    due to global warming....LOL..then you've got the all the planets in the solar
    system are effected...
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Is Antarctica "freezing?" Really?

    Quote May 12, 2014

    A new study by researchers at NASA and the University of California, Irvine, finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea.

    The study presents multiple lines of evidence, incorporating 40 years of observations that indicate the glaciers in the Amundsen Sea sector of West Antarctica "have passed the point of no return," according to glaciologist and lead author Eric Rignot, of UC Irvine and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. The new study has been accepted for publication in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
    Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-148

    Dennis


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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Is Antarctica "freezing?" Really?
    Dennis
    read just a couple posts up on this topic:

    Biased articles can be VERY misleading, this post (a few up from here) helps point this out
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