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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Here's an article that summarizes these unusual changes in polar ice that this thread discusses. The article is at Drastic fluctuations in ice accumulations reported at both poles.

    Excerpts from this article:
    September 21, 2012ANTARCTICA - “Day 258 of 2012 is the highest for this date since satellite scanning of Antarctic ice areas commenced 33 years ago” the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition announced today. “It is also the fifth highest daily value on record.” Coalition chairman, Hon Barry Brill, says the most remarkable aspect is the extent to which the 2012 area exceeds normal Antarctica averages. “The sea ice cover yesterday was 311,000 square kilometers above the 1979-2012 average. The surplus ice is more than twice the area of New Zealand.”

    ARCTIC - New sea ice is finally starting to form again in the Arctic, scientists reported Wednesday, but not before reaching another record low last Sunday. “We are now in uncharted territory,” Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, said in a statement announcing the record low of 1.32 million square miles — nearly half the average extent from 1979 to 2010.

    Book quote: “The Arctic Ice sheet’s albedo ratio diminishes as the size of the Arctic ice cap shrinks. The whole runaway process compromises the system further. At the other end of the pole, nearly the opposite effect is occurs. Plunging temperatures increases the density of the Antarctica ice shelf- and the danger rises not from sublimation, but from massive fracturing and the seismic slippage of large ice sheets (shelves) as sub-glacial volcanism intensifies.” -The Extinction Protocol

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Quote Posted by doodah (here)
    Although there is nothing we can do about these things, I can understand Bill's desire to understand what's going on, if it's possible to understand it correctly.

    I've paid attention to some of these issues, and have been very alarmed by the evidence of low-level volcanic activity, and the significant earthquakes, in New Zealand in the recent years. When NZ became suddenly active, I began to wonder what that was about. Christchurch, NZ, is the supply point for flights to the Antarctic research stations and now Christchurch is practically in rubble, as I understand it, one earthquake after another (but any Kiwis here, please confirm or correct me in this).

    Then just recently a floating mass of pumice (lightweight volcanic rock) the size of Rhode Island appeared off the coast of NZ. Since there have only been "signs" of low level volcanic activity in NZ and no violent volcanic activity on land, I assume that this pumice comes from undersea volcanoes. I haven't heard that this pumice migrated there from some other place on the planet.

    This suggests that undersea volcanic activity (heating) has increased, at the same time that the Antarctic has more ice than normal (cooling).

    What these two opposing forces add up to, and how they work together at the same time, I'm not sure. But I keep remembering Dr. Bill Deagle's assertions that global warming is related more to undersea volcanic activity than to anything else - and that there are thousands of undersea volcanoes. Undersea heating will also affect the Atlantic Conveyor by causing salt water to rise to the surface (warm water being lighter than cold water), displacing the fresh water that normally rests there.

    This all makes sense to me, but I invite the scientists in this group to correct any errors in my understanding. What I'm seeing in my imagination is an expanding planet. The planet has expanded before, several times, according to geological evidence.

    While I agree that pollution must stop NOW, or better, yesterday, and we must get off of coal and petroleum for the health of the planet and its lifeforms, it is quite possible that the quantities of methane being released by unexplained warming is more significant than human-generated CO2.
    Here's a link regarding the pumice.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10826068

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    Doodah, Christchurch is not in rubble. The earthquakes do continue, but the citizens, some of my family and friends, just seem to ride it out!! The damage was widespread, especially in the centre of the city, but other places were totally unaffected. Buildings are still being demolished, but rebuilding is also going on. One of the most popular inner city malls is now contained in a series of containers very stylishly refurbished as shops. Many people have moved away from Christchurch but most citizenry of Christchurch are just getting on with life. I take my hat off to them, I wouldn't have stayed! I live three and a half hours south of Christchurch and we only felt the big ones.

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Hey guys I came across some excellent research documents on arctic melting:

    -Very interesting document I came across on the geopolitics of arctic melting

    - http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/res...zambetakis.pdf

    -Extreme melt on Canada’s Arctic ice caps in the 21st century

    http://arctic.eas.ualberta.ca/downlo...%20Warming.pdf

    -Arctic ice melting at 'amazing' speed, scientists find (BBC)

    http://www.doremishock.com/articles/icemelt.pdf

    -Arctic Melting Sounds the Alarm for Life on Earth

    http://www.kairoscanada.org/wp-conte...-ArcticIce.pdf

    Enjoy Adi,
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    The Gulf stream is huge and undeniable, but they haven't figured out how a tax will fix that yet. No question, what happened in the Gulf is nothing short of demonic. How about Demonogenic warming?
    I'm one of those who actually read Gabriel García Márquez's novel, One Hundred Years of Solitude, a few years before the well aptly named Macondo became so important to so many on the Gulf of Mexico and the world. In the context of that story-line we find some interesting parallels. From Wikipedia:

    Quote One Hundred Years of Solitude (1967) is the story of seven generations of the Buendía Family in the town of Macondo. The founding patriarch of Macondo, José Arcadio Buendía, and Úrsula, his wife (and first cousin), leave Riohacha, Colombia, to find a better life and a new home. One night of their emigration journey, whilst camping on a riverbank, José Arcadio Buendía dreams of "Macondo", a city of mirrors that reflected the world in and about it. Upon awakening, he decides to found Macondo at the river side; after days of wandering the jungle, José Arcadio Buendía's founding of Macondo is utopic.[1]

    Founding patriarch José Arcadio Buendía believes Macondo to be surrounded by water, and from that island, he invents the world according to his perceptions.[1] Soon after its foundation, Macondo becomes a town frequented by unusual and extraordinary events that involve the generations of the Buendía family, who are unable or unwilling to escape their periodic (mostly) self-inflicted misfortunes. Ultimately, a hurricane destroys Macondo, the city of mirrors; just the cyclical turmoil inherent to Macondo. At the end of the story, a Buendía man deciphers an encrypted cipher that generations of Buendía family men had failed to decipher. The secret message informed the recipient of every fortune and misfortune lived by the Buendía Family generations.
    1. Macondo well, "a structure of mirrors", becoming reflective of the fears of the world
    2. Macondo well, a "utopic" envisioning of man's ability to explore and contain the wealth and power of the inner-earth
    3. Macondo well, man's failure to explore and contain the wealth and power of the inner-earth
    4. Macondo well, a scene of continuing misfortune and disaster
    5. Macondo well, not-yet-destroyed, still doing its dirty work that will inform the Present and Future about what our generations considered fortune and the misfortune that has overtaken us as a result of Hubris and Pride.

    I know some folks here don't care much for the sisters of Sorcha Faal (I'd suggest also checking Wikipedia in order to see who does use their website and consider it real news), but they had an interesting article recently regarding the well, containing as elements, a secret Russian sub in the Gulf, fish and other sea-life with no eyes and deformed and continuing oil emissions coming from the well.

    And then, of course, there are those who said that the BP oil disaster was an Illuminati ritual to release certain energies trapped within the earth and allow them access to the oceans and surface, for what that's worth.

    All that said to say, Demonogenic Warming works for me.

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Hi Chuck, Hi Bill ,.

    I also belive in Piers Corbyn, he has just written an big article about the Arctic and about the Mini Ice Age very interesting pice.
    He explains the pictures what was taken a few days ago of Arctic !!!

    I also have been following him for years now,
    Now I am no Weather specialist, but I sure can hear what he is saying.
    I personally think he is a great Meteorologist and Astrophysicist I also like the fact when he talks about
    the moon and sun that they have a very big influence on the earth.

    In my eyes he's really one of those people who dare to stand up and say it to the public.
    I see him like a kind of whistle-blower (but then for the weather ).
    And Yes I also have never seen him with a good hair day LOL, but for me he is a great man !
    Gr Karin.


    Here is the article: http://www.weatheraction.com/display....asp?a=488&c=5

    4b) The Arctic story - BBC-warmist cover-up for Global warming failure (15 Sept, by Piers Corbyn)

    The ongoing BBC-warmists-Greenpeace propaganda on the Arctic is not evidence of man-made CO2 Climate Change ('Global warming') but, as explained on the video http://bit.ly/PjBupm , their key "Anything but temperature" misleading story is put out to COVER-UP the total, comprehensive and absolute failure of the CO2 warmist's 'theory'.

    Recall these are the people who warned the world in 2000 that world temperatures would rise substantially and dangerously in the following decade or so, to expect the end of snow in Britain and much of the USA, more dangerous hurricanes in USA and Britain's summers would be drought-ridden. In fact the opposite has taken place for ALL their scaremongering predictions. The world is cooling, we've had snowmagedons in Britain and USA, less USA hurricanes and a series of floody summers in Britain. THIS IS TOTAL FAILURE of the CO2-Global-Warming - Climate Change story which no amount of delusional and insane announcements like, warming causes cold or floods with drought in England this summer can hide.

    What we are seeing is the last desperate throes of a delusional quasi-religious sect whose end-of-the world kingdom didn't come and whose supporters are deserting (eg James Lovelock). Unfortunately this is also the new religion of governments across the world who need backing to create a new bubble of (Carbon trading and energy and food price hikes) false value and fiscal stimulants.

    The latest (re)claims by Greenpeace (~13/14 Sept pic.twitter.com/wIaBQzAB of even less ice in the Arctic demonstrates nothing more than their desperation. Apart from the fact this claim doesn't fit easily with NOAA official data above and that climate cannot be measured by what happens in a week we note:

    (i) The recent winds in the Arctic have shoved ice around making it look like LESS from satellites and now the winds have dropped a sudden increase in ice (as we warned) is apparent. This is clear from the white (ice) area on the map and how it suddenly grows ~12-14th Sept on this map sequence: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/satellite/index.uk.php (further discussion in Joe Bastardi link below*). It will be interesting to see if Greenpeace circulate an update of their misleading twitpic to show the (very) recent ice increase!!

    (ii) Whatever the detail the BBC-Greenpeace idea that records of the ~30 years of ice indicate anything about climate is delusional nonsense. Their own 'definition' of climate requires 30year averages so their ice data gives a ONE POINT ice graph. Only somebody with serious learning problems can deduce a trend from a one point graph. However can anything be concluded about Arctic ice from what has been going on in the Northern hemisphere on longer records? The answer is yes. It is almost certain that Arctic ice, like all the other 'big picture' meteorological parameters in the northern hemisphere to which it is connected [eg Pacific (PDO) and Atlantic (AMO) circulations, Tibetan plateau temperatures, USA temperatures], has a ~60year (solar-lunar) cycle so a 30yr decline in ice is just one half of the story. The next 30 years (or more probably the 30 yrs from 2007) will see Arctic ice expand as we head into the new Little Ice Age.

    (iii) There have been much longer periods of a relatively ice-free Arctic in the past when there was less CO2. Official UK MetOffice-HMSO (Her Majesty's Stationary Office) records** show that there was no polar ice at the coast of Iceland for 120 years from 1020 to 1200AD, in the late Medieval warm period. See penultimate slide of Piers Corbyn's evidence to UK Parliamentary Select Committee on Dec 2010 supercold (predicted by WeatherAction) via http://www.weatheraction.com/display....asp?a=318&c=1 and click on Presentation.

    **HMSO, Met Office, Weather In Home Fleet Waters Vol 1 Northern seas Part1page 256

    (iv) ANTarctic Ice is now at a RECORD MAXIMUM yet the official monitors of world climate don't mention that: http://t.co/mAO0Zzoe - Full link: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2...idc-is-silent/


    17 of the 18 days when ANTARCTIC recorded sea ice extent exceeded 16 million sq km were in the last 5 years http://goo.gl/fb/QgiYL

    *Joe Bastardi has an excellent piece on the world context of Arctic variations which shows, even if their data is largely valid, how utterly stupid the warmist's claims are - http://patriotpost.us/opinion/14736




    Quote Posted by Chuck (here)
    For questions regarding world climate I always refer to my friend Piers Corbyn. His forecasting technique based on solar/lunar cycles are the most accurate I’ve come across. His track record speaks for itself. He uncovers a 60 year solar/lunar cycle , 30 years of relative warmth and 30 years of relative cold. We have just entered the cold stage. He’s a one man army, fighting against the “CO2 causing global warming” dogma. Piers is predicting that we are now entering a little ice age.

    Piers suggests that the earth has in fact been cooling since 2007. Ice in the arctic has not been diminishing as of late but increasing. It is the strong low pressure cells that have been breaking up mass ice sheets and moving them around by strong winds and making it appear like ice disappearing/melting. “Before and after” satellite data in certain parts make it appear that ice is disappearing but in fact it is only shifting to other places.

    See his website for much more information

    http://www.weatheraction.com


    ... oh, and by the way... I've never seen him have a "good hair day" heheheh
    a climate genius nevertheless!



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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Go here for the NASA satellite animation of the storm breaking the Arctic Ice:

    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/251460-Powerful-Storm-Breaks-up-Arctic-Ice

    What I have trouble reconciling is that there is more than a reshuffling of the ice distribution around the Arctic Sea and that's the record low, in square miles/kilometers of the ice spread... implying that ice up there did disappear during the summer:

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    [...]
    [...]

    ARCTIC - New sea ice is finally starting to form again in the Arctic, scientists reported Wednesday, but not before reaching another record low last Sunday. “We are now in uncharted territory,” Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, said in a statement announcing the record low of 1.32 million square miles — nearly half the average extent from 1979 to 2010.

    [...]
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Go here for the NASA satellite animation of the storm breaking the Arctic Ice:

    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/251460-Powerful-Storm-Breaks-up-Arctic-Ice

    What I have trouble reconciling is that there is more than a reshuffling of the ice distribution around the Arctic Sea and that's the record low, in square miles/kilometers of the ice spread... implying that ice up there did disappear during the summer:
    I've just been listening to some of the Piers Corbyn Youtube videos, as posted above and more that can be found from there.

    I'm figuring he's got this nailed as well as any of us. If I understood him correctly, he's saying that Arctic ice was broken up recently (matches what that NASA animation shows), making it look like less ice than there was, but this will soon be settling down, making it look (to satellites) like a sudden increase of Arctic ice again.

    He's anticipating that we're starting a mini-ice age over the next few decades ... colder winters in the Northern hemisphere coming up (already started, actually.)

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    ... making it look like less ice than there was, but this will soon be settling down, making it look (to satellites) like a sudden increase of Arctic ice again.

    [...]
    The "making it look like" doesn't compute with the computed area of ice covered sea unless that computation ignores the broken up ice... haven't found confirmation of the way the square mileage was done.
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    The "making it look like" doesn't compute with the computed area of ice covered sea unless that computation ignores the broken up ice... haven't found confirmation of the way the square mileage was done.
    Agreed .

    I just had to take Piers Corbyn's word for it that NASA would see less ice when it was really the same ice, broken up.

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    I just finish 4 hours of reading the Kennedy Papers. and boy it's facinating and the very reason i believe the Karma is hitting the ptw. His soul demands justice just as his life did.

    He's been heard and for the sake of this country and people i sure hope it protects this President who's life is threatened everyday 30+ times a day.

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
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    ... making it look like less ice than there was, but this will soon be settling down, making it look (to satellites) like a sudden increase of Arctic ice again.

    [...]
    The "making it look like" doesn't compute with the computed area of ice covered sea unless that computation ignores the broken up ice... haven't found confirmation of the way the square mileage was done.
    Hello Amzer Zo,

    Good enquiry. As far as I can gather, there are two methods of gathering ice data in the arctic. One is a passive microwave imagery that is relied upon for year–to-year trend analysis as it has less user error (relies on automated processing). It is biased in “seeing” more water than ice. The published imagery of “before and after” ice conditions after the storms, were taken with this technology. The other method relies on satellite imagery which has influences like cloud cover and imagery sources and ultimately relies on subjective operator interpretations of what is ice vs non-ice. This method’s strength is getting an absolute value for ice quantity (good for determining records) and is biased toward “seeing” more ice than water.


    A concern is that the news only reports the microwave results, and ignores the equally valid NIC index which is the satellite imagery data, biased toward more ice.


    http://www.natice.noaa.gov/products/...ce_extent.html


    Go to that NIC website, select start year 2006 and month of August. You’ll see that this data shows that ice amounts are low for 2012 but still not lower than 2007. Piers suggest that the Arctic from here on will get colder (not just because of winter) but because we are entering a mini ice age that will last 30 years.
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    I guess the most important idea I want to relay is… that… yup… a bit less ice is observed in the Arctic relative to the last 32 years of data gathering… and a bit more ice is observed in the Antarctic. These have happened countless of times in Earth’s history. There are several overlapping cycles of various periods, each influencing ice patterns and more. Just beware of the dramatics and those with agendas trying to sway your thinking that all this is a result of man made dyer influences. (problem, reaction, solution)

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    Quote Posted by Carmen (here)
    Doodah, Christchurch is not in rubble. The earthquakes do continue, but the citizens, some of my family and friends, just seem to ride it out!! The damage was widespread, especially in the centre of the city, but other places were totally unaffected. Buildings are still being demolished, but rebuilding is also going on. One of the most popular inner city malls is now contained in a series of containers very stylishly refurbished as shops. Many people have moved away from Christchurch but most citizenry of Christchurch are just getting on with life. I take my hat off to them, I wouldn't have stayed! I live three and a half hours south of Christchurch and we only felt the big ones.
    Thanks, Carmen, for that eye-witness report. We don't get much information about what happens after an event like those earthquakes. My heart goes out to them.

    The pumice island is the size of Belgium, the results of undersea volcanic activity. But Tane Mahuta's newspaper article says that this is a separate issue from another volcano that left ash on the beach. There is lots of volcanic activity around NZ recently and ongoing.

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    You know, it's difficult to get an accurate picture about anything from media reports! We often take on disaster reports absolutely when in actual fact the disaster may be very localised. This is the case with myself as far as the Christchurch earthquakes are concerned. But, I have to say, seeing the devastation of Christchurch central first hand was mind blowing and shocking. The devastation was much worse than what I had thought from media pictures. It's odd also. I have such a clear visual of Christchurch the way it used to be pre earthquakes as I spent much time there, that I can move through it totally in my mind. It's like a parallel world still intact and unchanged.

    Sorry to venture off the topic of the thread, but thought it might be interesting.

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    My mind sparked upon reading this,

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    The electro-static charge around the planet is increasing, so then the dipole of the Earth's magnetic field in also increasing in charge.

    The North pole gets hotter +
    And the South Pole gets colder - ??

    All in all the charge is increasing. A "celestial friction event" is happening. NOW

    Could the amassing ice cause some polar tilt? I think it could.
    And the displacement may also disrupt a few volcanoes and cause some earthquakes along faults.

    A rapid change in this electrical charge could also be set off from a solar event. CME or a Solar Wind with a negative ion stream.
    We will see... I think that >How we cope with this variety of changes, may even reset our evolutionary path.

    Why not now?

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    Russian TV warns about a potential encounter with a celestial orb towards the end of 2012, that will have big effects on planet Earth.


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    Quote Posted by Davidallany (here)
    Russian TV warns about a potential encounter with a celestial orb towards the end of 2012, that will have big effects on planet Earth.
    Seven (7) seconds into this video, the translation text reads:
    but after May 2011 year -
    it can be seen with the "naked" eye
    In the last and final frame of this video, the text reads:
    in September November 2012 - Niburu will be
    like a second Red sun.
    (from other my sources in 2014 year !) vlad9vt
    From the above text, I gather that this video was produced prior to May 2011, and predicts that Niburu will be visible as a second red sun by September of 2012.

    It is now September 2012.

    No Niburu is in sight.

    My conclusion: the video's prediction of Niburu failed (as I recall we determined sometime ago on this forum.)

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    From Robert Felix's http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/



    Antarctica gains 2,400 Manhattans worth of ice overnight

    By Robert On September 28, 2012 · 7 Comments

    Sixth highest daily ice-extent area ever recorded.

    Warmists scream if one chunk of ice the size of Manhattan breaks off.

    But when 2,400 Manhattans worth of ice form overnight, nary a peep from the mainstream media.

    I think this is shameful.

    Southern hemisphere sea ice extent has been steadily growing in a zig-zag fashion since at least 1979, but nary a peep from the mainstream media.

    I think this is shameful.



    “Antarctica gained 140,000 km² of ice overnight, to reach the sixth highest daily area ever recorded,” reported the Steven Goddard website on September 26.

    “Another day like today, and tomorrow will break the all-time record for most sea ice ever measured at either pole.”



    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2...ice-overnight/


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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    nothing to do with the interruption of warming ocean currents due to the big oil spill in the gulf of mexico?


    just reminiscing here

    something to do with the great ocean loop

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