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    Is this the same principle at work in the following------------I learned in 9th grade science that we wouldn't be here. There would be no life on the earth. Not one blade of grass. If water, in its solid form sank. can't do the chemical formula (no 2 below the line). But ice floats. If it sank the earth would be a ball if mostly solid ice. With all the adherent implications. Water is an anomaly? There may be other exceptions, but I flunked chemistry. But I know from icebergs that ice is mostly under water. I know from snow. 1 inch of rain is 6 to 8 inches of snow. Depending on the degree of fluff.
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    Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?
    Posted by Christine Lori (here)
    I am not a scientist. But if global warming was true. Then I would expect sea levels to drop if the ice melts. Is there more land mass at the poles or more ice? Since ice is mostly below below the water line. I think. Maybe it's not. But if it is, shouldn't the water levels drop. Somebody can explain. I could look it up. But I like to question here.

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    For what it is worth Christine, I have a personal friend who as part of his study to get his PhD in environmental chemistry a few years ago, went on a polar expedition to study ice levels. Upon conclusion of his theses he reported that in the past 100 years, ice world ice levels were about the same. In areas of the world where the ice was receding, at the opposite poles ice was accumulating.

    In other words, antarctic was gaining just about as much ice as the North pole was losing.
    Further, he and I had a discussion where it was his educated guess that human beings had about as much ability to change the climate by Carbon dioxide emissions as we had to change the climate on the Moon by farting.

    "The whole concept of global warming, in my opinion, is for fear mongering."
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

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    Is this the same principle at work in the following------------I learned in 9th grade science that we wouldn't be here. There would be no life on the earth. Not one blade of grass. If water, in its solid form sank. can't do the chemical formula (no 2 below the line). But ice floats. If it sank the earth would be a ball if mostly solid ice. With all the adherent implications. Water is an anomaly? There may be other exceptions, but I flunked chemistry. But I know from icebergs that ice is mostly under water. I know from snow. 1 inch of rain is 6 to 8 inches of snow. Depending on the degree of fluff.

    Somewhat, yes, since water is one of the very few compounds which solid form is less dense than its liquid form. Water is densest around 4 C which allows for ocean bottom to never freeze unlike methane compounds.

    As for Achimedes' principle, it just means, in the case of floating objects on water, that the weight of water being displaced is equal to the weight of the object displacing that amount of water... so, the weight of liquid water being displaced is equal to the weight of frozen water displacing it... that's the same amount of water in the end
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    Volcanic eruptions, rising CO2, boiling oceans, and why man-made global warming is not even wrong

    Doug DiPasquale and Niall Bradley
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    The spectacular eruption of an undersea volcano off the coast of Tonga in the South Pacific in 2009

    Perhaps in an effort to ward off yet another long cold winter, officially-sanctioned climate science has been pumping out hot air at exponentially-increasing rates of late. An IPCC report in September told us that global warming "paused" unexpectedly in 1998, and shows no sign of resuming. Actually, the work that went into that report found that warming had stopped altogether, but the wording was altered to describe it as a "pause". You'd think that a pseudo-acknowledgement like this from on-high would dampen the Global Warmists' enthusiasm, but you'd be wrong.

    Their driven need to 'fit the facts around the policy' is illustrated by a couple of recent articles that caught our eye. Here USA Today reports on the findings of a study that claims:
    "The middle depths of a part of the Pacific Ocean have warmed 15 times faster in the past 60 years than they did during the previous 10,000 years."
    Then this BBC article cites "the world's leading experts on ocean acidification", who claim that:
    "The world's oceans are becoming acidic at an unprecedented rate and may be souring more rapidly than at any time in the past 300 million years, [...] causing a 30% loss of species in some ocean ecosystems."
    And, as you can probably guess, these experts are certain that it's all your fault.

    By now you know the drill:

    You produce too much CO2 ---> this contributes to the 'greenhouse effect' --> planet heats up --> ice caps melt --> sea levels rise, etc...



    Take note that the Pacific Ocean data they used to come up with this "warming 15 times faster than ever" claim concerns the middle depths of the Pacific Ocean. Meanwhile, another study published back in August reported that the Pacific Ocean's surface temperatures are cooling. The warming middle depths were attributed to man-made CO2 being "pumped into" the ocean, while the cooling surface layers were attributed to "a natural warm and cold cycle."

    What's it gonna be guys? Man-made climate change or a natural cycle? You can't have your cake and eat it!

    But apparently they believe they can have it both ways, so the established sequence of cause-and-effect has been amended to the following: an increase in CO2, predominantly or solely caused by man, causes an increase in heat. That CO2 is absorbed by the oceans, which heats them up... except for the surface layers - that's nature's fault!

    If we follow their reasoning to its logical conclusion, we would have to believe that the oceans are cooling by absorbing heat that is sinking down to lower layers!

    When the lower-than-expected ocean surface temperatures were announced, climate scientists - as superbly economical with the truth as ever - suggested that the naturally-caused cooler surface ocean temperatures had "flattened out" the warmer 'human-caused' atmospheric temperatures and given us the appearance only of a "pause" in global warming!

    But remember, in any event, the September IPCC report established that there never were any warmer atmospheric temperatures to begin with, so there was nothing for these cooler surface ocean temperatures to "flatten out"!

    It's CO2 Jim, but not as we know it



    What there is good evidence for, however, is increased CO2 levels, in both the oceans and the atmosphere.

    As we've already noted, the experts are also telling us that ocean acidification, the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans due to increased absorption of CO2, has reached unprecedented levels. Now, it is assumed that this extra CO2 is coming from human activity, via the atmosphere.

    But from where, you might be wondering, did they find the hard data to support their "300 million years" claim?

    From volcanic vents on the ocean floors:
    Emissions of CO2 driving rapid oceans 'acid trip'

    BBC, 17 November 2013

    Studies carried out at deep sea vents where the waters are naturally acidic thanks to CO2, indicate that around 30% of the ocean's biodiversity may be lost by the end of this century.

    These vents may be a "window on the future" according to the researchers. "You don't find a mollusc at the pH level expected for 2100, this is really quite a stunning fact," said Prof Gattuso. "It's an imperfect window, only the ocean's acidity is increasing at these sites, they don't reflect the warming we will see this century."

    [...] The effect of acidity is currently being felt most profoundly felt in the Arctic and Antarctic oceans. These chilly waters hold more CO2 and increasing levels of the gas are turning them acidic more rapidly than the rest of the world.

    The researchers conclude that human emissions of CO2 are clearly to blame.

    [Emphases added]
    Notice anything funky about this 'scientist's' understanding of a 'fact'?!

    At most, human emissions of CO2 are in the 4-5% range of a gas that makes up 3% of the atmosphere. Humanity's potential contribution to atmospheric CO2 levels is therefore statistically insignificant. Yes we have toxified the entire biosphere in every way imaginable, yes we treat our fellow Earthlings abominably, and yes, there is evidence that CO2 levels are higher than ever observed by modern man, but the notion that one tiny factor in a complex and interdependent system, one that transfers vast quantities of energy around the world, is responsible for the weather extremes and mass animal die-offs we've seen in recent years is utterly absurd.

    There is not enough energy - in the form of either CO2 or heat, or both - above water to account for the changes happening underwater, so this energy must be coming from elsewhere. The IPCC's own charts illustrate the problem:

    © IPCC

    The mental gymnastics Global Warmists undertake to convince themselves that man-made CO2 is responsible for this are breath-taking. Commenting on the above IPCC chart, one green pundit in the Guardian writes:
    Can you make out the tiny purple segment at the bottom of the above figure? That's the only part of the climate for which the warming has 'paused'. As the IPCC figure indicates, over 90 percent of global warming goes into heating the oceans, and it continues at a rapid pace, equivalent to 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second.
    Ok... but in line with the September IPCC report, you need to explain to us how 90% of nothing (ie, the non-warming since 1998) translates into those large percentage increases in energy and CO2 in the oceans? Where does that energy and CO2 increase come from, if not from human activity, from land or from the atmosphere? They acknowledge that there is no atmospheric warming, so what then is boiling the oceans?

    The answer is staring them in the face.

    Rocking and rolling in the deep

    A more rational explanation, and one that's far more serious in its implications for everyone today, whatever about people in 2100, is that increased quantities of CO2 and heat are coming up from below, i.e. passing up through the oceans from within the planet, heating and acidifying the planet's oceans.

    Volcanism is the most likely culprit here.

    The oceans' chemistry and temperature is probably changing due to direct contact with known, observable vectors of CO2, namely increasingly active and newly formed volcanic vents and underwater volcanoes on the sea floor. Volcanic activity has been steadily brewing and increasing above ground for years. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the planet's volcanoes are located underwater. With landslides, rifts and sinkholes opening up - swallowing cars, people and buildings along the way... can we even begin to imagine what is happening on the vast and relatively unexplored ocean floors?

    Countless accidental discoveries of underwater vents, volcanoes, plumes and geysers have been made in recent years, many of which we've archived on SOTT. Here's just one example:
    Hydrothermal "Megaplume" Found in Indian Ocean

    An enormous hydrothermal "megaplume" found in the Indian Ocean serves as a dramatic reminder that underwater volcanoes likely play an important role in shaping Earth's ocean systems, scientists report.

    The plume, which stretches some 43.5 miles (70 kilometers) long, appears to be active on a previously unseen scale.

    "In a nutshell, this thing is at least 10 times - or possibly 20 times - bigger than anything of its kind that's been seen before," said Bramley Murton of the British National Oceanography Centre. [...]

    "A normal hydrothermal vent might produce something like 500 megawatts, while this is producing 100,000 megawatts. It's like an atom bomb down there."
    What was that the September IPCC report said about all of the man-made global warming it believes to be real being the energy equivalent of "4 atom bombs"? Here's just one underwater volcano approaching that level of energy all by itself! The volcanoes above water are erupting all over the place, so it's probably safe to assume that, combined with underwater volcanoes, the total energy involved here dwarfs even the IPCC's highest energy estimates for man-made warming.

    As we write, the Ring of Fire is super-active, with dozens of new and 'dormant' volcanoes erupting on a weekly basis. New islands formed off Japan and Pakistan in recent months, while new underwater volcanoes are being discovered all the time:
    Underwater Antarctic Volcanoes Discovered in the Southern Ocean

    Scientists from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) have discovered previously unknown volcanoes in the ocean waters around the remote South Sandwich Islands.

    Using ship-borne sea-floor mapping technology during research cruises onboard the RRS James Clark Ross, the scientists found 12 volcanoes beneath the sea surface -- some up to 3km high. They found 5km diameter craters left by collapsing volcanoes and 7 active volcanoes visible above the sea as a chain of islands.
    Methane is an even more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2and both are stored in vast deposits in the form of clathrates under the ocean floors, particularly at the poles. These deposits are being ruptured by the increased volcanic activity (and accompanying seismic activity), then dissolving into the ocean depths, and are currently outgassing at levels that have observers seriously concerned because they know from the geological record that this happens during real climate change, which, like a phase transition, builds up to an abrupt and invariably catastrophic climate shift:
    Climate change crisis intensifies: 'Methane levels are going through the roof'

    Methane, a powerful greenhouse gas which can lead to unchecked and rapid climate change, has been referred to as "the canary in the coal mine" and its release has been theorized to have caused past mass extinctions, known as the the "clathrate gun hypothesis."

    Many scientists believe that a sudden release of methane clathrates in the past from the seabed and permafrost led to a sudden rise in global temperatures, also known as "abrupt climate change." Large amounts of methane being released can lead to a runaway process that is irreversible, much like "firing a gun." Abrupt climate change can cause global temperatures to change within a matter of years.
    We can discount the part about "runaway temperatures" because while the deep layers of oceans may be warming, the upper layers are not, and neither is the atmosphere. In addition, the ice core data tells us that methane spikes are signatures marking the boundaries between glacial and interglacial periods.



    No discussion about the real causes of 'climate change' would be complete without mentioning Earth's celestial visitors. With Comet ISON currently approaching perihelion, and at least four other comets in close proximity, their connection to the dramatic increase in volcanic eruptions and seismic activity in the past couple of days is completely overlooked by the authorities' myopic reassurances that none of them pose a threat to us because we're not directly in their line of sight and ignores the potential for celestial objects to exert influence on our environment indirectly, at-a-distance.

    But really, should we expect any different given that NASA et al were caught completely by surprise when the largest comet fragment since Tunguska exploded over southern Russia just 9 months ago?

    Comet dust is electrically-charged so it in turn may also be causing the Earth's rotation to slow down slightly, as observed on Venus and Saturn. Such slowing of the rotation could be responsible for reducing the strength of the planet's magnetic field, exposing the planet to more dangerous cosmic radiation and stimulating even more volcanism.

    More volcanic activity means more moisture is evaporated, and more dust and CO2 is released into the atmosphere. Combined with a lower, cooler upper atmosphere that is loading with comet dust (a.k.a. 'meteor smoke') from the significant increase in comets reaching the inner solar system in recent years, expect to see even greater weather extremes than we've already had to face in recent years. Eventually a threshold may be reached, at which point heavy rainfall becomes heavy snowfall and ice age conditions set in for the long term.

    We say "eventually", but be warned, a sudden-onset global Ice Age happened very fast the last time around.

    In the meantime, disregard the Warmists' tepid scenario of gradual inundation of coastlines over the next hundred years due to non-existent man-made global warming, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

    The climate is changing alright, but it's not warming, and it certainly isn't your fault.

    Niall Bradley
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    Niall's SOTT Focus articles on the elites' shenanigans and so-called climate change are cross-posted on his personal blog, NiallBradley.net.


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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Scientists increasingly moving to global cooling consensus

    Reporter: Jack Minor November 2, 2013 in Politics



    Critics of those who claim that man-made global warming is a serious threat to the planet and settled science frequently point to the fickleness of scientists on the issue, noting that in the 60s and 70s scientists were warning of just the opposite. It now appears the critic’s claims may have merit as a new consensus is beginning to once again return to the global cooling model.

    Adherents of man-made global warming have supported the issue in a way akin to that of religious zealots, even to the point of attempting to cover up evidence that runs contrary to their beliefs or portrays it in a negative light.

    Global warming has been blamed for every recent catastrophe including wildfires in America even when they have been started by human activity, Hurricane Sandy, and even for the recent rash of cold spells that have descended upon much of the world.

    However, even in the midst of their support for the theory, they appear to have acknowledged there are serious issues with claiming that record cold winters are the result of global warming. In the 1990s, they frequently made calls for governments to take steps to issue regulations to curtail “global warming.” However, they now generally do not use the phrase any longer, instead calling on combating “climate change.”

    It is unclear exactly how that is supposed to happen since the very definition itself means that if the weather changes from one day to the next that is climate change.

    However, scientists are now beginning to rethink their climate change models and are seriously discussing the possibility the earth is entering into a period of global cooling.

    Environmentalist Lawrence Solomon writing in the Financial Post cites the fact that solar activity is currently decreasing at one of the fastest rates as anytime the last 10,000 years. Because of this, he says many scientists are actually reverting from the mantra of global warming and are now subscribing to the possibility of global cooling as occurring.

    “Now an increasing number of scientists are swinging back to the thinking of the 1960s and 1970s,” Solomon writes. “The global cooling hypothesis may have been right after all, they say. Earth may be entering a new Little Ice Age.”

    He further goes on to note that Columbia University’s George Kukla- who warned the US government about the dangers of global cooling back in 1972 claimed that global warming “always precedes an ice age… The warming we saw in the 1980s and 1990s, in other words, was expected all along, much as the calm before the storm.”

    One of the public-relations problems facing man-made global warming adherents is that individuals are able to look around and see the effects of increasingly cold weather that they are able to experience personally. Europe and many parts of America have experienced record snowfalls at even later periods in the year in recent years. This causes people to ask if the alarmists are warning about the planet getting warmer, then how can they explain it getting colder.

    Rather than blame man-made activity for weather change on the planet, scientists have recently begun looking at solar activity as a predictor of world climate. Data available has revealed that low solar activity has been connected with cold eras in human history, while the opposite has occurred during higher solar activity such as what happened during the recent period form the 1950s to the 1990s.

    Evidence of solar activity affecting climate appeared on Mars, when a probe revealed that the planet’s icepack was also experiencing global warming and receding. This prompted skeptics of man-made global warming to mockingly say that it is amazing how our probes are now causing global warming on Mars.
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Well this may not be weather changes from either end of the globe But Florida is seeing some very different weather this year.

    WOW is all I have to say.....On 11/3/13 it was the hottest recorded ever in this state for November. It has been like a rainy season, raining in the afternoon--which usually occurs in the summer months. I suppose were following suit from last year as it was recorded the hottest year on record in the south---above average record for today near 80's

    '2012 Hottest Year On Record For Lower 48 States, NOAA Confirms'

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2433210.html



    Something is melting! The weather changes seem to be effecting peoples attitude and energy levels---

    Not complaining, just noting the changes My 3 sense
    We X Billions want to change the world and it appears we are......
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    Thanks!

    Meanwhile, across the Gulf:

    Longest November Stretch Below 40°F in Dallas since 1976
    By Robert On December 3, 2013 ·

    ALSO, THE GREATEST NUMBER OF SUB-30 LOWS IN NOVEMBER SINCE 1993.

    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX… DEC 1 2013

    …DALLAS/FORT WORTH CLIMATE NARRATIVE FOR NOVEMBER 2013…

    ON NOVEMBER 13…DFW AIRPORT RECORDED ITS FIRST FREEZE OF THE SEASON. THE LOW TEMPERATURE OF 29 DEGREES WAS THE EARLIEST IN THE SEASON THE MERCURY HAS DIPPED INTO THE 20S SINCE 1993…WHEN IT WAS 29 DEGREES ON HALLOWEEN. IN ADDITION…THE BAROMETRIC PRESSURE ROSE TO 30.69 INCHES ON NOVEMBER 13…THE HIGHEST PRESSURE AT DFW SINCE JANUARY 2012.

    JUST FOUR DAYS LATER…ON NOVEMBER 17…DFW AIRPORT REACHED A DAILY RECORD HIGH OF 87 DEGREES…JUST 2 DEGREES SHY OF THE ALL-TIME RECORD HIGH FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.

    FOUR DAYS AFTER THAT…AN ARCTIC FRONT PLUNGED INTO NORTH TEXAS. SOME SLEET AND SNOW GRAINS WERE REPORTED ON NOVEMBER 22…AND FREEZING RAIN OCCURRED THE FOLLOWING DAY. THE SLEET AT DFW AIRPORT ON NOVEMBER 22 WAS THE EARLIEST WINTRY PRECIPITATION IN A SEASON SINCE 2007. MORE SLEET FELL ON NOVEMBER 24 AND 25…AND WHEN A WINTRY MIX OCCURRED ACROSS CENTRAL AND EAST TEXAS ON NOVEMBER 26…IT MARKED FIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITH WINTRY PRECIPITATION.

    DURING THE ARCTIC OUTBREAK…THE TEMPERATURE AT DFW AIRPORT WAS BELOW 40 DEGREES FOR NEARLY 60 CONSECUTIVE HOURS. THIS IS THE LONGEST STRETCH OF SUB-40 WEATHER DURING NOVEMBER SINCE 1976.

    DURING THE MONTH…THERE WERE THREE DAYS WITH LOW TEMPERATURES IN THE 20S. THIS IS THE GREATEST NUMBER OF SUB-30 LOWS IN NOVEMBER SINCE 1993.

    http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=PNSDFW
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    I guess the guy has some info which "they" don't want to be known publicly in order to get a settlement:

    Al Gore’s ‘polarbeargate’ scientist forced to retire

    Posted on December 4, 2013 by Anthony Watts

    WUWT readers may recall our coverage of Charles Monnett, whose antics with polar bear sitings and attribution led Al Gore to put this famous animated video clip into An Inconvenient Truth and make wild claims about polar bears drowning for lack of sea ice:


    Monnett’s legal case is over, and he has been forced to resign:
    Scientist settles legal case over study of polar bear drownings
    Becky Bohrer, The Associated Press / 37 min ago

    JUNEAU, Alaska — An Alaska scientist whose observations of drowned polar bears helped galvanize the global warming movement has retired as part of a settlement with a federal agency. Charles Monnett was briefly suspended in 2011 from his work with the U.S.

    Under the settlement, signed in October but released by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility on Wednesday, Monnett will receive $100,000 but cannot seek Interior Department work for five years. His retirement was effective Nov. 15, at which point the agency agreed to withdraw the letter of reprimand and issue Monnett a certificate for his work on the tracking project.
    Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scien...ngs-2D11691760

    So the message is: be a dimwit, make stuff up, and get paid for it.

    No word yet on whether he’ll get to keep the cushy retirement package that Federal Employees get.

    Looking further, it appears that he’ll be able to keep it.

    According to the PEER Union, they claim “vindication”:
    http://www.peer.org/news/news-releas...sh-settlement/
    Read the settlement agreement
    Revisit three-year IG investigation
    See the Monnett whistleblower complaint
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    What's that white stuff doing there?

    Snow falling. In Australia. In summer. That is all
    December 06, 2013 8:02AM


    The timestamp doesn't lie. Pic: Thredbo.com.au Source: Supplied

    UPDATE: A day after we posted images of fresh summer snow falling across the Australian Alps, we've updated our original story with new images that show the ground getting whiter... and whiter... and whiter.

    Thredbo resort in new South Wales is now in the very unusual position of desperately needing its snow to melt. Thredbo has a huge mountain bike event this weekend but the course is currently snow-covered. Hopefully, forecast warmer tempreatures will take care of things.

    Meanwhile, here are one or two pics to get you going. And as mentioned, scroll through yesterday's story (below) for another updated image or two.


    Yes, that’s the correct date. The upper slopes of Thredbo this morning (Friday) Source: NewsComAu



    And THAT’S why they have orange poles. Perisher ski resort in NSW yesterday during the summer blizzard. Source: NewsComAu

    THURSDAY'S STORY
    THIS is just the beginning. The really cold air and the really heavy snow is due later in the day, but snow is already falling today across the high country of New South Wales and Victoria.

    And yes, it's December 5. The fifth day of summer. Your calendar is not wrong.

    Snow is not a freak event in southern Australia in the warmer months. A small dusting usually appears on the higher parts of the Australian Alps at least once each summer.


    ’ll put a fresh pic under this one later today when more snow has fallen to show you the contrast. Source: Supplied

    As promised, here's an arvo update of the pic above. Yep, that snow's still falling.


    The main moisture band is about to hit the mountains so be sure and check in later when we update again. Source: NewsComAu


    More pictures: http://www.news.com.au/technology/en...-1226775945701
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    Thanks Amzer,

    I had to reread your posts because I thought what's so remarkable about snow in Austria ...
    But now I see it is about Australia ! Yep, should be summer there now ...

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    More confirmation that the Antarctic is getting colder ....

    Mentioned temperatures in the article are degrees in Centigrade ...
    -93 degrees Centigrade is equal to -135.4 degrees Fahrenheit.

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/2...der_nul__.html


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    Quote Lowest temperature: 93 degrees below zero
    WASHINGTON -

    Never has it been as cold on earth as on August 10, 2010 at the South Pole. When the temperature dropped to 93.2 degrees below zero, the U.S. space agency NASA announced Monday. Scientists have studied 32 years of satellite measurements and calculations.

    The cold record was set on a high plateau in the middle of the South Pole , miles above sea level. If the summer is on the northern hemisphere, it's winter down there. In the same area in July 1983 a temperature of 89.2 degrees below zero was measured. So far that was the record.

    According to NASA, it has been dozens of times been colder than in 1983. So it was on 31 July this year minus 93.0 degrees.

    The plateau in the east of the South Pole anyway extremely cold because of its location, high and far from the sea. Temperatures can further go down if there are a few consecutive days with no clouds. Clouds trap heat like a blanket.

    Due to the cold is produced at a given time, a layer of excessively cold air directly above the ground. Above the layer is slightly less cold air, but relative ' heat ' is stopped and can not reach the surface. In that case, the temperature may further drop to record levels. " If the air stays stationary for long, while the heat disappears in space, you get the extremely low temperatures that we could find ," explains researcher Ted Scambos.

    The coldest place on earth where people live is in northeastern Siberia. There were temperatures measured of nearly 68 degrees below zero in 1892 and 1933.

    The weather records are maintained by the World Meteorological Organization, the Department of the United Nations that deals with the weather. It is not yet known whether they will recognize the new record.
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    Maybe we can all move to Iceland....that would nice.

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    Ice and fire...

    Giant Blob of Hot Rock Hidden Under Antarctic Ice

    Becky Oskin, Staff Writer Published: Dec 11, 2013, 11:15 AM EST From our partners


    Mount Sidley is the youngest volcano rising above the ice in West Antarctica's Executive Committee Range. A group of seismologists has detected new volcanic activity under the ice about 30 miles ahead of Mount Sidley. (Doug Wiens)


    SAN FRANCISCO — A big, hot blob hiding beneath the bottom of the world could be evidence of a long-sought mantle plume under West Antarctica, researchers said Monday (Dec. 9) here at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union.

    The possible hotspot — a plume of superheated rock rising from Earth's mantle — sits under Marie Byrd Land, a broad dome at West Antarctica's edge where many active volcanoes above and below the ice spit lava and ash. The hot zone was discovered with seismic imaging techniques that rely on earthquake waves to build pictures of Earth's inner layers, similar to how a CT scan works. Beneath Marie Byrd Land, earthquake waves slow down, suggesting the mantle here is warmer than surrounding rocks. The strongest low-velocity zone sits below Marie Byrd Land's Executive Committee Range, directly under the Mount Sidley volcano, said Andrew Lloyd, a graduate student at Washington University in St. Louis.

    "The slow velocities suggest that it's a mantle hotspot," Lloyd said. The hot zone also matches up with Marie Byrd Land's high topography and active volcanoes, Lloyd said. [WATCH LIVE: News on Earth & Mars at AGU 2013]

    Mantle Plume?

    Many researchers have long suspected that Marie Byrd Land sits atop a hotspot, because the region swells above the surrounding topography like the top of a warm soufflé (and it has lots of volcanoes). But with few seismometers sitting on the ice, scientists were left speculating about what lies beneath Antarctica's ice.

    The evidence for the new hot zone, called a thermal anomaly, comes from a massive, temporary earthquake-monitoring network called Polenet that was installed between 2010 and 2012, giving scientists an unprecedented look at Antarctica's crust and mantle. (A gravity survey conducted at the same time also suggests there is a big warm spot beneath this part of West Antarctica.)

    But confirming that Marie Byrd Land is truly above a hotspot may require a return trip to Antarctica for another seismic experiment, said Doug Wiens, principal investigator on Polenet.

    "What's absolutely sure is there's a big thermal anomaly, a big blob," said Wiens, a seismologist at Washington University. "What's less sure is whether that anomaly goes deeper."

    The thermal anomaly extends 125 miles (200 kilometers) below Marie Byrd Land, Lloyd said. Below about 255 miles (410 km), where a mantle plume's trailing tail would also leave a hotter-than-average mark in mantle rocks, there's little evidence for a rising hotspot, said Erica Emry, a postdoctoral researcher at Pennsylvania State University.

    "There's no smoking gun," Emry said. However, more work remains to be done on the Polenet data, which could reveal new clues and further refine what the mantle looks like under West Antarctica, Emry told LiveScience's OurAmazingPlanet.

    Antarctica's Thinnest Crust
    The discovery is one of many new insights reported Monday into the geologic mysteries concealed by Antarctica's thick ice. Other findings include extremely thin crust, just 10 miles (17 km) thick, in West Antarctica's Ross embayment near the Transantarctic Mountain Range, said Xinlei Sun, a postdoctoral researcher at Washington University. The Ross embayment is one of Antarctica's two big coastal divots; the gap is filled by the Ross Ice Shelf. Here, the crust is as thin as in the Gulf of California, where continental rifting (also called extension) is tearing Baja California from mainland Mexico and building a new ocean basin.

    "This is the thinnest crust [in Antarctica] and is probably related to an extensional environment," Sun said.

    On the other side of the Transantarctic Mountains lies the thick, old crust of East Antarctica, similar to the relatively stable interiors of continents such as North America and Africa. Antarctica's thickest crust is found here, beneath the Gamburtsev Mountain Range. The Gamburtsevs are spectacular Alpine peaks completely buried in ice; the crust here is about 31 miles (50 km) thick. The crust beneath Marie Byrd Land is about 15 miles (25 km) thick, Sun said.
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    At least, if there were any geoengineering or weather modification gadgets around, 112 years ago, they weren't human technology:

    For the first time in 112 years, it snows in Cairo
    By Lama Abdel Barr - December, 13th 2013


    In Photos: Snow Covers Areas of Cairo, Suez, and Alexandria




    Al Shorouk City


    Photo credits: Aya El Kolaly

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    Wow, that is just incredible! I hardly can believe my eyes.


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    Just in....It is official---Hell is freezing over
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    Well, the Sphinx images are fake, but it's still impressive that it rained snow in Egypt.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ternet-2925810
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    Data from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft suggests there were almost 9,000 cu km of ice at the end of this year's melt season.

    This is close to 50% more than in the corresponding period in 2012................


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25383373

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    From the article linked above:


    The observations show clearly that more thick ice (red/yellow) has been retained this year
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