The mentalists - Can they do the 'undoable' ?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
just had a thought: why are there no famous *women* illusionists? (or are there?)

would be refreshing to have a few on the scene, i think.

Many have no need for showy displays.
Lots of power in the art of invisibility.
But that's your point, huh?
Hee, hee...

i had quite the crush on Wonder Woman as a boy.

but you already knew that didn't you, you mentalist you!

for the record folks, i absolutely *do* believe Paula to have psychic abilities and cosmic talents. for example, she used to have a different picture of herself up as an avatar, and now look! it's different! how the hell did she do it!?! go on Paula, show them the one where you make words appear on the screen as coherent sentences. don't be shy!

all joking aside, she is quite the talent and as far as i'm concerned the first famous Avalon magician.

It took two hundred shots to get one good avatar picture. (Photoshoped only to put a frame around it.) Though, the real magician that I am just hid the eyes in the shadows where my very own cartographer maps out the cracks and crinkles. So one could say that I’m an illusionist and a magician. In real life, I go by the title of part time Warrior and part time Simpleton.

Note to self, send cartographer on a long, long vacation.

Oh, incoming.....beep beep beep...Wonder Woman says...beep beep beep, "Please ring her up." Spoken in a raspy voice, “Will you be my Superman?”

You are a sweetie, Chinaski. ox

With love,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Ilie Pandia]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
just had a thought: why are there no famous *women* illusionists? (or are there?)

would be refreshing to have a few on the scene, i think.

Oh, but there are . Especially in Romania and Russia. They are called witches or sorceress. Unfortunately I don't have any names for you right now and they seem to keep a low profile lately

Actually the more i think of it, the more I realize that in fact there seem to be more women psychics than men and yes more men magicians (illusionists) than women. It seems that one group has to fake it

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
”...for the record folks, I absolutely *do* believe Paula to have psychic abilities and cosmic talents. How the hell did she do it!?! Go on Paula, show them...” “...don't be shy!”

My philosophy is to keep it simple. Below is a jump off point. Some will say it’s elementary. I agree. That’s what I am. A beginner at every turn. It keeps in check the illusionary pressure of performance, fireworks and grand expectation. Not one way, but many ways. Be creative. If I were to sum it up in one word it is - Awareness. That's all you need.

Key descriptors and techniques I use as a co-creator: Higher Mind, awareness, emotion, visualization and get out of my own way.

It's not something I do. It's something done. I stay open. That's the most important thing. Get out of the egoic way. Be the Soul, i.e., Higher Self. Sometimes I ask an open ended question, other times a specific one. What I see is a whole movie flash so fast that in the 3-D world, it takes time to explain it in a sequence. It's as though one symbol is equivalent to one story, and some detail unfolds as the story is told at the 3-D level.

One practice is I stay open to “see” when a car turns left or right or continues on. It’s used to sharpen visual technique. Watch for sensations in gut or heart.

We all have these tools in varying degrees. In fact, most use them automatically; recognition and practice enhances them. Our new energy upgrades are coming in, which means that you may surpass someone that has developed tools for decades. Soon, we all will have full recognition of our innate abilities.

Finally, I listen for when to step away from everything. Inner knowing whispers that it’s time: to process information, to reframe an assumption, or trash outmoded beliefs. Ideally, my goal is to process as it’s happening. Too, the time between process and clarity has quickened, in part because of willingness to hav-a-look. The goal is chuck the gunk and garbage that anchors me to 3D illusionary play. A side benefit? Emergence of subtle refinement of the tools.

Recently, I came across some new and old tools. You can research to find out more about them.

- claircognizance via knowingness

- clairvoyance via visual
- clairsentience via feelings
- clairgustance via taste

- clairaudience via sound

- clairscent via smell
- clairtangency via touch

My wish is that this post may be the trigger you needed.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by WhiteCrowBlackDear: " Key descriptors and techniques I use as a co-creator: Higher Mind, awareness, emotion, visualization and get out of my own way."

Sounds like a good recipe, I copied it to my cook book.

Paula and everyone, thank you, this is a wonderful conversation and you are all great teachers ! (just don't start to charge tuition fee ;)

~ Many good energies to you all ~


Limor

[Limor Wolf]

A point that I didn't manage to properly relate to is whether we have enough psychic abilities and are able to percive someone else's vibration to its deepest core?

Mentalists seems to be using their senses in its outmost capacity, whether they are promoting an illusion or whether they are using real power .

Oren Zarif is an Israeli healer and a 'wizard of the unconscious and subconscious' , this is how he describes himself, also as a 'psycho - kinesis specialist'. He is treating thousands of people every month in his clinic , and claim for acts of miracles. He provide testimonies of people that so called suffered from incurable diseases and now they are completely healed, and permenant disabled people which arise and stand on their own feet. I am curiously watching him over the years, how he choses to conduct himself and deliver his 'message' and I see a mumble jumble of mind control games on some inoccent and quite ignorant people. He publishes millions of dollars of worth adds in the main news papers with his pictures and pictures of his patients, He manages to attract politicians, Senior doctors and like to be close to money and power people, but the interesting fact is that some do believe that they are healed because of him.

These powers exist, the ability to use and manage energy and reflect it on others is a more than a valid possibility, those of us that made our research on black operations, Rv and the contactee/abductee phenomon know that there are government compartment that use this type of control to persuade people to give up their power in favor of other energies. so, I believe the question is How one uses it and what are his/her intentions, what TRULEY leads this person. Do all the special performers and healers via the power of thought (the few that are genuine, not the magicians) do it with their best intentions at heart? I would suggest that black magic is involved in some of the cases, and it represents some of the energies that are existing and rulling our world today.


Oren Zarif, which hundreds of people attest that they are cured by him. I can detect a very reptilian energy about him and believe he is sponsored by governmental factors

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jJmAaauLZkM

~^&*~^&*

Limor

[ulli]

I'm bumping this thread before it vanishes for good.
Good stuff here.

[Limor Wolf]

With all the relevent and valuable talk about our innate psychic abilities, it may be of interest to bump this thread again at this time. A year has passed since this discussion took place, the question is if anything has changed in your own perceptions of the subject over the last year and whether your individual understandings has shifted with everything else that we are learning?

Who Are those Mentalists?

And most importantly..


Who Are We?

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Limor,

Interesting thread indeed and a year has passed!

I had the time to read "Penetration" by the late Ingo Swan and the classic "Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot. In my estimation, if you really dive into that information you cannot look at "the world" in the same way anymore.

As an interesting point: Ingo Swan mentions that we have this idea that our "powers" are "mental" and our mind is in the head so somehow we need to use our heads to do telepathy and other psychic phenomena. He considers that this model does not work and it is very misleading and so that it's why is so hard to make it "work!".

It seems more likely the our power is "non-local" and certainly NOT in the head. So "mentalims" and "mind power" are not really correct terms. The holographic model comes in support of this. Once you realize that you and your "power" are non-local and not really bound by time and space, then virtually anything becomes possible. The "where is this power located" question, becomes irrelevant.

So to "Who are we?"... I think that relates to the text above. I don't know who (or what I am) and that is good thing, because I thought I knew! I seem to be some kind of awareness looking at what we collectively call "reality".

[Rosieposie]

I wonder if the work (true) mentalists do might be more the masculine expression of psychic abilities. That whole mind and will expression that tends to follow the masculine energies whereas the more female energies tend to manifest into empathy and connection gifts. I'm just pondering here and playing with an idea, I believe we have both energies within us so have all gifts as potentials. I think I can see how you could manipulate matter by an extension of thought and obtaining the correct frequency, control internally controls externally. Sort of like how you can make lightening strike in storms etc by connecting to the earth fields and pulling energy up through you (not a particularly helpful extension of consciousness that can be a tad nerve wracking until you figure out what is happening and get the hang of stopping it) or triggering earthquakes by subconsciously opening up and connecting with the energy fields.

At the end of the day we are remarkable creatures that have some interesting potentials within us that open up the more we come to understand ourselves. It starts with being conscious and connecting the more you explore yourself the more you may discover, I think a fair few things are down to your genetic makeup also and what sort of frequencies you operate on and where your body is, there are many people I come across with high frequencies on a soul level but their bodies are genetically repressed, much like how my kitty is a highly evolved soul yet limited to her body lol. However those same people could potentially begin to explore themselves and expand their human consciousness and begin to trigger, and activate DNA and clear old genetic frequencies which has an interesting effect not only on your mind and how you operate but on the generations after you if you then proceed to have children. So consider it a gift to the world to love and expand yourself

PS. I think we are the universe or infinity observing itself, that's a very simplified way of seeing it but the soul is a unique individual form what I can see yet at the same time there is a door inside of us which leads to all. Basically the universe personified is a soul lol.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ilie, That was a great answer, thank you , also getting to know where you stand today from last year.
You have used some great description here about yourself - 'an awarness looking at reality'

I think Ingo Swan's points are very good ones, so the correction might be quite acceptable - it should not be percieved as a 'mind power' per se, it is definitely something that is beyond our biological existance. The term - 'mentalism', on the other hand, sounds more accetable somehow, since by 'mental state' we refer to a whole range of components such as emotions, the focus of our thoughts and the level of our consciousness

But it sounds like a very good understanding, this power is non- local and do not bound by time or space, and isn't it exactly who we are in essence? The limitation, therefore, may be in our perceptions.

So, what can we do to develop ourselves from an 'awarness looking at reality' to an 'awarness impacting reality' ?

This question is directed to all

[Limor Wolf]

These short two segments may provide us with an answer to what is capable to be done. Please watch and make up your own mind

And remember to always play nice

Part 1

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=afkDRq8UHeE

Part 2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IBNy-43naOM

[Limor Wolf]

Thinking more deeply and having more insights with regards to the subject of 'Mentalists', I have no doubt now whatsoever that they are very much 'government asset', as are most of all Holywood actress, singers, entaitainers and rather at the far end but yet close by - Milabs, some Rv's etc.

Telaepahaty and mind reading - the question arises, Is it an outcome of a natural development and training of the mind or a technological 'advancment' and enhancment by AI? We might not want to know the answer.. upgrading the human species with artificial methods and genetic intevention is unfortunately on the table. I am for one, completely and utterly against it.

Lior Schuchard is an Israeli Mentalist

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uf4I9R4YFTQ

Being photographed in a recent article with the known pyramid as a background

http://pplus.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7...509780,00.html


God Bless us all ~

Limor

[Carmody]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hi Limor,

Interesting thread indeed and a year has passed!

I had the time to read "Penetration" by the late Ingo Swan and the classic "Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot. In my estimation, if you really dive into that information you cannot look at "the world" in the same way anymore.

As an interesting point: Ingo Swan mentions that we have this idea that our "powers" are "mental" and our mind is in the head so somehow we need to use our heads to do telepathy and other psychic phenomena. He considers that this model does not work and it is very misleading and so that it's why is so hard to make it "work!".

It seems more likely the our power is "non-local" and certainly NOT in the head. So "mentalims" and "mind power" are not really correct terms. The holographic model comes in support of this. Once you realize that you and your "power" are non-local and not really bound by time and space, then virtually anything becomes possible. The "where is this power located" question, becomes irrelevant.

So to "Who are we?"... I think that relates to the text above. I don't know who (or what I am) and that is good thing, because I thought I knew! I seem to be some kind of awareness looking at what we collectively call "reality".

I've always thought of it around the idea of gating and keying potentials. Since it appears to be, in scientific terms, an electric universe, the precursor to flow and motion is voltage or potential, then the deal is 'potential, and 'gating'.

To be the base or gate of the transistor, not the transistor. Since it appears to be a gate on consciousness or organized energies protruding into this one, then the analogy holds true. ie, in this direction instead of 'self/body' as the I point, of any potential in motion or act. if the whole damned thing is made of self and I material as a flowing protrusion, then what is self or I in that context? Where lies the separation/integration point? Like a true multiprocessor where the bus and bit width is programmable?

The greater the differential held, the greater the gating capacities? Remember 'Charles' saying hold in the one hand, a thing you loathe/hate, and in the other, something you love/care for. And in that condition or state, make the attempt. This is likened to increasing the potential that can be gated. (High rail voltages!) (high differential)

In the other sort of attempt, the more fundamental one...I would work it as holding as much full and limitless aspects of complex self in 'mind' as single complex thought/expression (makes for very big and high rail voltage differentials and thus huge potential for gating energies), and then move toward the attempt of the given act.

[conk]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
my question is this:

where do they learn the magic/mentalism? and from whom?

it's one of the only things on earth you can't really google. sure, you can learn a trick or two, but the more involved stuff, involving 'mentalism' is nowhere to be found. yes, there are some courses you can pay for and so on, but if it were that easy everyone would be doing it.

secrets like these always come back to one person, or a small group of people. who are they? and how do they decide who to give the magic to. there are really only a small handful of truly impressive magicians/mentalists that i know of; and if there are any more they can't be too terribly talented because i certainly would have heard of them by now.

i guess i'm sorta hypothesizing that there's some sort of new world order-ish fraternity of magicians who decide who is going to be the next big star (Blaine, Angel etc...) similar to how a Bilderburg group decides upon a president. ok, i am having a llttle fun with this here, but i am truly curious as to how someone like David Blaine got his training. the real impressive trickery cannot be too readily available, because like i said -- every hack with a plastic wand would be doing the sh#t.

anyway, it's a cool thread Limor. and long overdue, really.

Here you go. All the mentalist tricks you could ever need. This is just one of many, many sites that sell magic, illusions, and mentalism TRICKS. Nothing mystical or magical about it. Simple, simple techniques that are EASY to learn.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/1524

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
In most cases mentalists use what is known as: "Cold Reading"

And, on TV shows, the unsuspecting audience is actually made up of actors, or mostly actors .

If that man could pass through glass he would not use the coat to hide the trap beneath the glass window and he would insert that phone into the bottle with a slow motion, not a quick snap meant to blur your vision.

That being said, mentalists are very aware people, they can basically see the world in a different way than we do, in the sense that they are very careful to details, to body language, to how your dress and what your attitude is. You may not open your mouth, but you are screaming your private thoughts to a trained eye and mind. Sherlock Holmes is probably the first mentalist that I've learned about, although surely others before him have had very good observation skills.

And of course, I am sure there are those that understand a great deal more about how our reality really works, and can do things that appear to be "un-real" to the rest of us.

If you understand how deeply conditioned the human mind is, and then you do something that plays on that weakness you can appear to be magical.

Probably closely related subjects are NLP and hypnosis or anything that touches on how do we perceive the world "around us" (or is it with in us ?)

PS: What I'd really really like to witness is two mentalists attempting to read one another ... but they will most likely know not to get in close proximity. Choosing your "mark" is another essential skill to master

Hi Ilie Pandia, I've emboldened a few of your words.

Yes to what you said but! Sometimes things are hard to do with to many minds and eyes focusing on you and some things have to be done at great speed

[pathaka]

Posted by Limor (here)
These short two segments may provide us with an answer to what is capable to be done. Please watch and make up your own mind

I think most mentalists (on TV) are just a brand of stage magicians. No offence, I like stage magicians. They awake a sense of awe in many people and that is worthy on its own.

Now, regardless of the stupid "debunking" of Uri, he's been actually studied by real scientists under real controlled lab controls (Puthoff & Targ). He passed several dozens of test, both macro-PK and telepathy/RV type tests. I'd take the word of a peer-review published PhD research scientists who is interested in the truth through experimental analysis (Targ) over a failed, average stage magician, who is interested in debunking only in order to further his own career and who has been caught himself on fraud (Randi).

As for the Soviet PK psychics. I think they exhibit skills not too dissimilar from chi/ki-masters from Asia from various traditions. Tons of stuff on youtube on those. Those who seek, will find. I will not spoil the hunt - finding is half the beauty of discovery. And don't go for the newer, American "OH MY GOD - IS IT REAL!" TV-reality-crap stuff, there's much older docu material available, from more legit resources.

To me, as an ex research scientist, the proof of the existence of RV, macro-PK, telepathy is solid enough. The trouble is repeatability, decline effect, variability of human peak performance and applicability under extremely rigid, non-natural, dis-interesting and artificial lab conditions. Therefor, most of the debunkers will never believe it. It's ok, they are entitled to their own opinion. But not to their own facts :-)

However, I find this "tv mentalist" stuff mixed together with scientifically experimentally researched experiments (with replications) to be a bit of tarnishing.

Yes, in some way it opens up the possibility of the idea to the newcomers.

But to those, who cannot make a difference between Chris Angel and Uri Geller, will just lump them altogether in the same basket and just call it hooey. But same they (tv-mentalists vs. true psychics) are not, even if they sometime have appealed to similar audiences and outwardly may appear to be acting similarly.

[Limor Wolf]

I find mentalism to be a subject worth getting back into again and again to try and figure it out. There is some importance here that may not be apparent to all.

I believe there are three main factors that need to be taken into consideration which wasn't on the discussion table around two years ago, but may be a little more 'digestable' at this time. If not, there is a reason to believe that the next few years will provide the 'missing data' for those of us with the eyes to see and the desire to know.
I can definitely understand the dismissal of 'real' mentalism, because the majority of the phenomenon is still very much a staged conjure, but I would like to concentrate in future posts, on the portion which is not.. And I would appreciate any responses and comments that are willing to inquire this aspect of the validity as opposed to that of the dismissal (which recieved a respectable representation here up till now) and it would be really great if we can explore this in depth..

There are three factors that support the phenonenon of mentalism to be real, and I hope in future post to be able to elaborate on any one of them with regards to this phenomenon. These are :

1)Technology
2)psychic phenomenoa and the recognition of the existance of greater dimensions
3) hybridization program

Rather briefly -

Technology - "There’s tantalising evidence that there is a current existing technology that allow us to transmit thoughts telepathically between two brains" - which is already in use
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63_dsXQwsk

Psychic Phenomena- Known to be a viable subject for research and implementation by the Inteligence agencies around the world.
Some relevant reference can be found in books such as -
'China's - Super Psychics' by Paul Dong and 'Psychic Discoveries' - by Schroder and Ostrander or 'The Men Who Stare at Goats' to name but a few

Hybridization program - A lot of the information examined by UFO researchers working with abductees and contactees clearly show that the alien agenda involves the creation of, probably genetically engineered, alien - human hybrids. Some of these hybrids can walk among us undetectedly.




At this point, I would like to suggest that there is a lot more going on than we are told,
as it is becoming increasingly clear that the nature of our reality is between the visible and the invisible. There are simply a handful others in our society that knows it better and act upon it.

Many Blessings ~

Limor

[Limor Wolf]

Some of these quotes, I feel, belong here - from the book 'Windhorse Woman - A marriage of spirit' by Lynn Andrews, :

like peaceful waters, so much is hidden beneath the surface

There are people who will try to hurt you. They come to you looking like flowers, smelling sweet. Never pick those flowers

These people want to use your power, your energy. They are looking for a line into you. You are very tight, but they look for a hint of fear or weakness, and that's where they enter

Evil sorcerers want to have fun. They get bored. They find someone with light and power and they start applying pressure. Then you're in what they call a sorcerer's patch. They push your energy field until they find a weak spot and they pick up a line, one of your luminous fibres. They start pulling on it and then they find a way in. Eventually.... they must use your energy to function

Darkness in this context is only light that has not realised itself. Darkness is born from fear and greed. When you meet a black sorcerer, you meet an extraordinary ego, perhaps well disguised, but nevertheless an ego. That ego has become distorted because of some need, some fear that is so powerful that it produces a kind of greed that turns in on itself. It has a big mouth and destroys its own energy, it eats it and then needs others to fuel its battery. The patriarch, the male-oriented systems have had their chance. They really had a chance and they know they have blown it. A lot of difficult energy you experience now is a death dance...The current imbalance on Earth has a form and that form wants to survives like anything else. It is afraid of death. So now that energy is taking up a very bizarre strategy to try to win. But, nevertheless, the age of a sacred androgyny is preparing for birth

...I tricked you. I entered your energy field through your fear line. I literally grabbed it.I made you see what I wanted you to see. Because of your fear of me you gave away your power. I could use it in any way I wanted. That is what a sorcerer does. You think it all mysterious, but it's nothing more than vicious manipulation. A sorcerer is a master manipulation

..manipulating someone take big smarts, And when sorcerers get results it builds there egos. But it makes enlightenment almost impossible for them

"Why is that"?

Because they mess with someone else's karmic field. That's not good.

"It's not good to indulge in fear, is it?"

No, my daughter, it is not good. Fear leaves you as wide open as that field you walked through to get here

[Swan]

Thank you Limor. Through the years I always come back to Lynn Andrews. The answer I am looking for is usually there.