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    Yeah, I use to smoke a cig before I took our PT test (fitness test) in the military and it does open lung capability, that's why we did it.
    I occasionally smoke cigars now and run 5 miles a day so...yeah....lol

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    I think the physical act of inhalation/exhalation is far more pronounced when smoking tobacco or cannabis, which acts like excercise. Much like rhythmic breathing, smoking draws a lot of focus to the lungs, and draws concentration to something we do many times a day without even thinking of it.

    I have read that cannabis can curtail some of the dis-ease of tobacco smoking, but any real studies are controversial. Make your own mind up!
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    So, I was wondering what people here thought about smoking marijuana these days. I mean these days due to the fact that weed is no longer what it was 30-40 years ago. It has changed, it has been selectively bred, perhaps even genetically modified, and it may or may not be beneficial or harmful in a way that it previously was not. I would really appreciate the opinion of people in this community. My interest stems from my own use and the influence it has had on my life.

    I have been smoking weed regulalry for over a decade. I have realized over the past few years that I am definately an addict. Yes, this is true, you can be addicted to marijuana. I have seen it in a number of my friends, and I am at a point now where it will be incredibly difficult to stop for any prolonged period of time. It is not a physical addiction that induces serious withdrawal, but rather a mental/emotional and habitual one that had definately affects on my mood and desires.

    I don't know if it is a positive or negative thing in my life. It has helped me open my eyes to many different things, from the NWO agenda to things about myself. Many of the great leaps in my understanding of the world, reality, and my maturity and character that have occured over the past 13 years began with a realization when I was high. I become much more aware of myself, my surroundings, my relationships, and many of the things I am doing right and wrong that I have a difficulty recognizing when I am sober. I am more intuned with my body. I am a much nicer and more relaxed person when I am high. As such, I have definitely grown positively in a large part due to weed. Even my wife who hates that I smoke and how it can control me admits that she likes me better when I am high.

    At the same time, I am now very addicted. I have learned to be productive while high doing pretty much anything so I work out high, I study high, I even go to work high. But there is a definite loss of productivity that may not be recognizable to others but is to me. Also, I am concerned about the possible control factor involved - after all of these years, have TPTB modified weed to act in their favor? Is it all a part of their plan? Have they added chemicals to it that create certain effects they want in the population, or that may cause serious illnesses later in life? Is it like a trojan horse? Is there a negative spiritual element to it? It definately makes me less ambitious but I am not entirely sure that is a bad thing.

    I am very interested in what other think about these points and whether there are others here with similar experiences that may be struggling with this like I am.

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    My thoughts are this:
    If you smoke the bred stuff like white rhino and purple haze that have been fed man made drugs to improve the potency, thats your problem!
    But if you smoke the natural stuff, it will just chill you out, i have (not judgment please) sampled quite a few types of weed.
    And i ALWAYS find that the natural homegrown stuff and i really mean homegrown, is NEVER paranoia inducing or heavy.
    Its nothing but relaxing and enlightening, end off discussion.
    As far as I'm concerned weed is illegal for that very reason, it relaxes and makes people think and also communicate and love.
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    40 years ago I was in the military and we used to take our favorite whisky or bourbon or vodka. Put the weed in a colander pour the entire fifth over the weed green or dried didn’t matter. Alcohol dissolves the oils (THC) and put the new enhanced liquor back in its bottle none the wiser, and can sit in plain site. Getting away from the smoke in your lungs and the give away smell in the barracks. LOL No waste, just You.
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    Quote Posted by ljwheat (here)
    40 years ago I was in the military and we used to take our favorite whisky or bourbon or vodka. Put the weed in a colander pour the entire fifth over the weed green or dried didn’t matter. Alcohol dissolves the oils (THC) and put the new enhanced liquor back in its bottle none the wiser, and can sit in plain site. Getting away from the smoke in your lungs and the give away smell in the barracks. LOL No waste, just You.
    HA HA HA, in the UK we call it green dragon.
    I used to out green tea in mine too, gives a great taste and i think the natural substances compliment each other
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    I feel it's the potency that hooks you--like any other "drug". I liken today's to hard liquor, whereas decades ago is was like beer. You could get addicted the same on less potent herbs, it would just not be as noticable. When you develop a tolerance to the super-crystally knock-your-socks off top shelf stuff, the addiction is more extreme.

    And yes, you sound like a slave (been there), where you need it to feel "right". I gave up booze 4 years ago, smoking two weeks ago, and hope to throw off the slavery to THC when I come back to myself from getting over the nicotene...and hopefully in a better way than those two. I know how addictive my personality is, and for alcohol and cigs, I can't lie myself into believing I can "have just one". I hope after the lessons of these two I can have a good relationship with god's finest trees again after taking a break from abusing it.

    I been reading Allen Carr's "Easy way to Stop Smoking", it is great, like a "emotional mature way to break substance abuse for dummies"...stuff you know intuitively but is good to have repeated to you over and over as he does.

    The adding of chems is an intriguing idea, I wouldn't completely dismiss it, though i think it is beside the point. TV, internet porn, video games, are all just as addictive, with nearly identical mental/emotional effects of withdrawal...the THC is probably one of the easier to get through the physical symptoms...but when you do it so often for so long (believe me, I feel you) it becomes a crutch, ritual, habit, part of your identity, your "normal" mood, the thing you do, etc. Whatever "they" put in it, isn't any worse than opiates, nicotene, alcohol, HFCS, or caffeine....

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    confused, do you smoke it pure or mixed with tobacco?

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    Yes I sometimes have thoughts on Marijuana.

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    Quote Posted by therinkydinktink (here)
    confused, do you smoke it pure or mixed with tobacco?
    Pure, in a joint or a vaporizer that I've been using for the past 3-4 years

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    Do you know the strain(s)? And if so buy the same ones or change it/them?

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    Nope, I get whatever is available at my trusted dealer, usually has something different every time I go

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    Quality or ditchweed?

    (no offence intended)

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    Always pretty good quality, haven't smoked the proverbial "dirt" since my first years. I don't get paranoid really about much except that I'm doing something that I'm not strong enough to stop. I've never really had a concern about possible negative effects until more recently since I realized that I'm an addict and have difficulty stopping. My cravings can bring out the more negative sides of me. I wish I had someone I can go talk to about this that is not a typical therapist but one who understands my perception of the world, what is going on with humanity and the NWO, and can help me understand how my use of weed falls into place in it all.

    Should I stop? am I self medicating for something and I don't even know? have I just been preconditioned to perceive drugs negatively no matter what it is? and all those questions in my original post. This is my dilema.
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    Quote Posted by confused (here)
    So, I was wondering what people here thought about smoking marijuana these days. I mean these days due to the fact that weed is no longer what it was 30-40 years ago. It has changed, it has been selectively bred, perhaps even genetically modified, and it may or may not be beneficial or harmful in a way that it previously was not. I would really appreciate the opinion of people in this community. My interest stems from my own use and the influence it has had on my life.

    First off: Cannabis (NOT MARIJUANA, that is a Mexican slang term that was used as propaganda in the anti-cannabis campaigns) is a very unique plant in that every single time the plant is cross pollinated it creates a NEW strain, a NEW plant.. so while people can lament and nostalgize that "weed isn't what it used to be" in fact, it NEVER is the same so comparative analysis is useless. With this fact in mind you will see why this plant would be very hard to genetically modify (GMO) due to this incredible ability to quickly modify the plant; this is also why cloning is so important to the "culture" of growers.

    I cannot see a single reason for health worry, if you are experiencing adverse mental effects I would look to my own inner landscape & see if it needs closer managing.


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    I have been smoking weed regulalry for over a decade. I have realized over the past few years that I am definately an addict. Yes, this is true, you can be addicted to marijuana. I have seen it in a number of my friends, and I am at a point now where it will be incredibly difficult to stop for any prolonged period of time. It is not a physical addiction that induces serious withdrawal, but rather a mental/emotional and habitual one that had definately affects on my mood and desires.
    This goes back to the inner (mental) landscape management, however I would not be too worried about this habit unless it is adversely effecting your life.

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    I don't know if it is a positive or negative thing in my life. It has helped me open my eyes to many different things, from the NWO agenda to things about myself. Many of the great leaps in my understanding of the world, reality, and my maturity and character that have occured over the past 13 years began with a realization when I was high. I become much more aware of myself, my surroundings, my relationships, and many of the things I am doing right and wrong that I have a difficulty recognizing when I am sober. I am more intuned with my body. I am a much nicer and more relaxed person when I am high. As such, I have definitely grown positively in a large part due to weed. Even my wife who hates that I smoke and how it can control me admits that she likes me better when I am high.
    so far I see all positives (except for possible relationship friction)

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    At the same time, I am now very addicted. I have learned to be productive while high doing pretty much anything so I work out high, I study high, I even go to work high. But there is a definite loss of productivity that may not be recognizable to others but is to me. Also, I am concerned about the possible control factor involved - after all of these years, have TPTB modified weed to act in their favor? Is it all a part of their plan? Have they added chemicals to it that create certain effects they want in the population, or that may cause serious illnesses later in life? Is it like a trojan horse? Is there a negative spiritual element to it? It definately makes me less ambitious but I am not entirely sure that is a bad thing.

    I am very interested in what other think about these points and whether there are others here with similar experiences that may be struggling with this like I am.
    You sound to be flirting with light chronic depression, something I think is common with individuals of our mental awareness level (it is a bit depressing when you think about it) you've also formed a strong habit (not addiction, a habit) you could easily stop if you choose to, you just do not choose to as it doesn't seem to be "that bad" to you, is that right?

    self medication is not bad, just remember about moderation, self control etc...

    don't worry, there is no Trojan horse here, no negativeness at all, your lack of ambition is probably contributed to your beginning to understand how meaningless the "modern life style" is... ambition is generally a term thought of in financial terms & unless you are blinded by materialism it will leave you feeling empty and wanting more (as is the nature of desire, it can NEVER be fulfilled).

    If this habit is a problem for you, you will stop it, it sounds like you are a bit guilty in this "pleasure" and you need to forgive yourself a bit, you are doing nothing wrong.

    I suggest you eductae yourself with the plant you have been bennifiting from for a decade, you should know what you put in your body & this topic of study is not one that will be a waste of time.


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    I went through a period of my life similar to what you are experiencing now, except mine was middle school and high school, eventually I got bored of being "high" all the time and quit on my own, though I would infrequently use from time to time. I know (currently) several functioning "pot heads" (as some would call them) and they are no less than any other person, perhaps a bit more relaxed and reflective.

    if you feel like you’re in a rut and need some change, try a diet and workout regime, those do wonders for refreshing your existence. Eat more veggies, work out two or three times a week (min!) you'll find yourself a whole new person.



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    My thoughts are this:
    If you smoke the bred stuff like white rhino and purple haze that have been fed man made drugs to improve the potency, thats your problem!
    But if you smoke the natural stuff, it will just chill you out, i have (not judgment please) sampled quite a few types of weed.
    And i ALWAYS find that the natural homegrown stuff and i really mean homegrown, is NEVER paranoia inducing or heavy.
    Its nothing but relaxing and enlightening, end off discussion.
    As far as I'm concerned weed is illegal for that very reason, it relaxes and makes people think and also communicate and love.
    WHY OH WHY would you want such an amazing substance legal?

    white rhino and purple haze are just marketing gimmicks, they have NOT been fed "man made drugs", though perhaps they have been fed "advanced nutrients (read: salts and minerals, much like ORMUS) the names are from careful cross pollenization and careful cultivation, not mad scientist work.

    as far as "heavy" or the experience in general, there are two distinct families of Cannabis, Indicia and Sativa, (and the various blends of the two) they will cause extremely different "feels" when used, Indicia is a very "down" feeling, very calming, "couch lock" is a term used a lot. Sativa is a very "up" feeling, its active and cerebral (and my choice by far) however due to low plant production sativa is rarely found in any pure or nearly pure form.


    I completely agree with your summation of why this substance is illegal.

    Quote Posted by confused (here)
    have I just been preconditioned to perceive drugs negatively no matter what it is?
    YES (but we all have, really)
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    The dutch weed is much to potent for me. When in Amsterdam you see the tourists smoke it and they are extremely stoned like they have never been before. the THC percentage has quadrupled over the last 40 years or so. This, for me is paranoia inducing and I know some who can't touch the stuff because they get schizophrenic because of it. I am glad to say that, although I have done my share of smoking weed for over fifteen years, I don't use it now.

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    TargeT, I sincerely appreciate your post. It really starts to get toward what I want to discuss with this thread, even if I don't agree with you.

    So, I'm definately not depressed! =) I don't really understand where you could have gotten that from my post. I am just suspicious of my smoking habbit. I am very happy with life and generally in good spirits. My wife is a clinical social worker who deals with mental health issues and we've discussed my addiciton numerous times.

    Also, I work out 3-5 times a week for ~2 hours each session. I stay in great shape. And my wife also makes sure that almost our entire diet is organic with lots and lots of veggies.

    I guess I can agree with you about the guilty pleasure thing. That may be a big part of it. But when you start smoking on the way to work in a hospital setting, before meetings, before working out, before going to your classes and taking exams, when you wake up and before you go to bed, and all of that after swearing to god you won't the night before - I think you can start to call that an addiciton rather than a habbit.

    Also, you can genetically modify any DNA and have that continue to other generations, regardless of any new strains created. Genetic modification does not imply that each successive generation will be clones of the pervious - just that you have added genes from another species. And those new genes continue on no matter how many new strains you create. New strains are not new species, they just express different genes in the same species DNA - for example, broccoli and brussel sprouts are the same species of plant (Brassica oleracea) that have been selectively bred to express different genes from the same DNA set. It is just as easy to genetically modify weed as anything else. Just because someone else will create a new strain from your GM weed does not mean it will lose that new gene that was inserted. It may or may not, depending on what chromosomes get passed on, but you can just insert the gene into both sets of chromosomes to make sure it gets passed on no matter which homologous chromosome gets passed to the next generation.

    My original post though was less about my addiction, and more about whether people here perceive weed as a good or bad, or both, and why?

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    The dutch weed is much to potent for me. When in Amsterdam you see the tourists smoke it and they are extremely stoned like they have never been before. the THC percentage has quadrupled over the last 40 years or so. This, for me is paranoia inducing and I know some who can't touch the stuff because they get schizophrenic because of it. I am glad to say that, although I have done my share of smoking weed for over fifteen years, I don't use it now.
    Really? Has it "quadrupled"? (No, it hasn't)

    Quadrupled means 4 times higher. currently the BEST most CAREFULLY controlled strains hit around 30% THC (most are 15-20% for "high quality") though honestly the curing process has a lot to do with how long this is maintained.

    so 30/4 = 7.5% thc.. your telling me the cannabis was 7.5% AT THE HIGHEST and 2-3% in general? you would have to smoke a cigar sized joint with that level of THC to get high...

    what you are seeing in Amsterdam are tourists who don't get to smoke weed often, or have very "dodgy" sources for their cannabis finally getting some high quality stuff, nothing crazy, nothing new really.

    Oh did I mention that THC is the ONLY intoxicant known to man that is impossible to over dose on? thats right, you hit a the same blood saturation levels today as they did in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc...

    this "paranoia" you experience is your own mental situation, it is not a cause of the substance, your paranoid because you have an embedded feelign that what you are doing is some how "wrong" (its not).
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    Default Re: Smoking Marijuana - thoughts?

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    as far as "heavy" or the experience in general, there are two distinct families of Cannabis, Indicia and Sativa, (and the various blends of the two) they will cause extremely different "feels" when used, Indicia is a very "down" feeling, very calming, "couch lock" is a term used a lot. Sativa is a very "up" feeling, its active and cerebral (and my choice by far) however due to low plant production sativa is rarely found in any pure or nearly pure form.
    Thanks for this info. I agree I should definately do more research on this plant. Problem is where to look?

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    The dutch weed is much to potent for me. When in Amsterdam you see the tourists smoke it and they are extremely stoned like they have never been before. the THC percentage has quadrupled over the last 40 years or so. This, for me is paranoia inducing and I know some who can't touch the stuff because they get schizophrenic because of it. I am glad to say that, although I have done my share of smoking weed for over fifteen years, I don't use it now.
    Really? Has it "quadrupled"? (No, it hasn't)

    Quadrupled means 4 times higher. currently the BEST most CAREFULLY controlled strains hit around 30% THC (most are 15-20% for "high quality") though honestly the curing process has a lot to do with how long this is maintained.

    so 30/4 = 7.5% thc.. your telling me the cannabis was 7.5% AT THE HIGHEST and 2-3% in general? you would have to smoke a cigar sized joint with that level of THC to get high...

    what you are seeing in Amsterdam are tourists who don't get to smoke weed often, or have very "dodgy" sources for their cannabis finally getting some high quality stuff, nothing crazy, nothing new really.

    Oh did I mention that THC is the ONLY intoxicant known to man that is impossible to over dose on? thats right, you hit a the same blood saturation levels today as they did in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc...

    this "paranoia" you experience is your own mental situation, it is not a cause of the substance, your paranoid because you have an embedded feelign that what you are doing is some how "wrong" (its not).
    Yes it has quadrupled ( I know what it means btw). If you compare the stuff they had in the seventies to the stuff they grow in Holland nowadays.

    Have you ever smoked the Dutch weed Target? I See a lot of Spanish tourist and they smoke a lot of weed in Spain, but they are not used to the Dutch stuff.

    And your explanation of why I feel paranoid when smoking weed is just ignorant btw. It is legal here to smoke, I dont think it is wrong so why would i feel paranoid about that?
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