What do you think hit the Pentagon?

[Beth]

What do you think hit the pentagon?

[Operator]

Maybe you should add some more choices .... e.g. a plane AND a missile was mentioned ... also I noticed that the subject changed from 757 to plane. Perhaps it's an idea to make a distinction ...
There's also several other possibilities if you allow exotic ideas ... missile + payload container etc.

[Lost Soul]

Aeroplane. I spoke with a museum curator who was granted access to the site to collect stuff to preserve. He saw several large jet engine assemblies and other parts.

[observer]

Not to be smart here, but I think upon reflection of all the blurred images, misrepresented testimony, and confusion being promoted as probative inquiry,
and, considering "something" hit the pentagon connected to the overall Coup d'état of that particular day....

I would have to conclude that an AGENDA hit the Pentagon....

Since we are now approaching the tenth anniversary of that Coup, and the global situation has only gotten worse, why don't we all focus on how to stop the Agenda, and stop dwelling on the minutia of the spicific events along the way....

[Operator]

Posted by Lost Soul (here)
Aeroplane. I spoke with a museum curator who was granted access to the site to collect stuff to preserve. He saw several large jet engine assemblies and other parts.

The parts did not necessarily arrive there mounted on a plane ... Maybe someone wanted these parts to be seen ... be careful with conclusions

[Operator]

Posted by observer (here)
Since we are now approaching the tenth anniversary of that Coup, and the global situation has only gotten worse, why don't we all focus on how to stop the Agenda, and stop dwelling on the minutia of the spicific events along the way....

You are so right ... it makes no sense to go back and forth on the WHAT did hit ....

The only possible gain we get from it is that we learn not to conclude too quickly from what is 'presented' to us.

More important is not to get hit again ...

[Fredkc]

What do you think hit the pentagon?

Approximately $1 Trillion every year, for the last 11 years, more than they deserved.

Fred

Oh! and I picked plane for reasons of human nature.
184 people who were aboard American Airlines Flight 77.

If I assume this was an inside job, I'd guess it probably wasn't planned by idiots. You could call them many other things, but not idiots. So more than likely the possibility that something might go wrong, must have come up.

If so then someone had to have considered the fact they would have to tell, at least, 500 family members their loved one had died.

Now, it's bad enough, with the doubts flying around to get all these people to stay out of the issue. I can even admit the possibility that, if it leaked out it was somehow "allowed" to happen, you might still keep them quiet either through fear, or some patriotic duty. But...

If these people ever found out, a missile/drone/whatever hit the Pentagon, and their loved ones were taken to some desolate spot and coldly executed.... I don't think you would get two, let alone 500+ to just sit quiet and take it. Not out of duty, fear, or for any amount of money.

So I doubt the planners would risk it. Just human nature stuff.

[Anchor]

I chose, missile, but that has to do, because I acutally think it was a unmanned surveillance plane flown by remote control

[Dale]

Hello, all. I'm quite sure that it was a jet, but, who can possibly know?

I don't believe it was a Boeing 757 jet, though. It was a smaller, more sleek jet; likely some type of small, navy aircraft.

Maybe I said this in an earlier comment, but I'll type it out again. I've talked to several pilots about the 9/11 attacks, and their answers were nearly the same when I brought up the Pentagon dilemma. There is no way that a hijacker, who failed at flying a Cessna, could fly a 757 low enough to knock street lamps over, long enough to take aim at a low-rise building, all at 570 miles per hour. A plane that large flying that fast at that low of an altitude would be defying physics. The lowest that 757 could get to the ground at that speed, without losing control, would be roughly 60 feet. A strong, physical draft would push the plane upward extremely fast, preventing the plane from maintaing that particular altitude and speed; all of which would be causing a great deal of instability for the inexperienced pilot, as well.

This is only the physics of the descent of Flight 77; I'm not even describing some of the support beam data issues, or the film, or even the heat produced by the engines vs. the ground.

In the past, I have given a complete 9/11 presentation to groups, and I am willing to revamp the slideshow to contain more data about Flight 77 if the Avalon Community is interested.

But, my best guess on what hit the Pentagon that morning... A jet.

[jaybee]

Thanks yaya551


I've voted...not sure.


Because 'not sure' covers all the permutations other than, the either/or choice.


For example....car bomb and/or helicicopter could go into the mix?

This news report happening as events were unfolding is very interesting, the
reported fire on the Mall....the talk of explosions and helicopters....(at 5:40)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxV2X...eature=related


I'm going on holiday today...and I feel like I need one after just a few days
of doing internet-based research on the Pentagon 9/11 incident...
god only knows what it must feel like to spend years on it.

But it's kept a lot of genuine, intelligent people busy....eh?....

[I_Am]

No brainer: It was a black hole.

A black hole of lies.

[BMJ]

Pentagon - missile, cruise missile.

Twin towers - miltary boeing 757 itype jets.

I really don't know how there can still be any uncetainity on these facts.

Thats the reason I didn't take part in the other thread about the airliner hitting the pentagon, there is huge amount of evidence on this saying it was MISSILE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs

[iceni tribe]

those that think it was a plane , please show me a picture , show some evidence and not a written report from some spook or shill from ATS.

after 9 years their must be one image of this alledged plane , their quite large you know.

quite a extrodinary feat by the pilot to fly into a low level building at that speed and getting it so pricise that the grass is unscathed . really unbelievable ................REALLY

[BMJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhROd...eature=related

[RAKMEiSTER]

a drone or a small single seat plane ive seen.
but my guess on it years ago was drone or cruisemissile

[Fredkc]

BMJ, and other missile voters;
1. Where are all the people?

2. That particular plane used Rolls Royce engines. While I have never seen the insides of one, I have seen the equivalent parts of the G.E. CF6 engine used on 747's and other "sister planes".



By "seen" I mean "cut on them" as a machinist, and helped develop the programs used to control computer driven machine tools to do this work. What I'm trying to say is, I know the main stator (that thing what goes round & round real fast in the middle) when I see one.

There is one in the wreckage, just inside the Pentagon in several pics.

That said, yes, you can photo-shop anything (dear god how I hate the 21st century ). Which means the avg. 12 yr old can add or subtract anything they like to a picture. But, once you go there, then there is absolutely no evidence for any conclusion whatsoever, and this simply becomes a mental exercise with no solution (see: Kobiyashi Maru).

Fred

[Kulapops]

Was it a Great Pyramid ??

See pyramid thread...

Now, I mean no disrespect to anyone, least of all the dead... but I totally stand alongside Fred's later paragraphs...and that is

...there is no evidence for any conclusion whatsoever...

Just how are you going to know ?

So, then... everything else is just mental gymnastics, isn't it... unless you do something really whacky, like go ask your higher self what the truth is.... and if that resonates.. well, stick with that.

As for trying to convince a single other human being of your higher truth... you can forget it.. because we all want proof, and proof is so easily forged....

So... erm... like some kind of Wile Coyote cartoon... this leaves you exiting the screen to the right, and arriving on the screen to the left, stopping suddenly and going:

MEEP MEEP !

I'm speaking metaphorically , of course.



Just keep eating the free bird seed... is all I'm saying.....

meanwhile, what's that sound ? oh yes.. it's the grains of sand that are your life making that whooshing sound again.....

(and mine too of course, cos I'm in the room wid cha !)

K

[Fredkc]

Thanks Kula (the check is in the mail )
Fred

...there is no evidence for any conclusion whatsoever...

Rule 1 in any assassination plot: Kill the assassin.

If no planes hit anything, then someone murdered 3 planes worth (about 500 people) in cold blood, somewhere. And they did it without leaving one speck of evidence.

Question is, If you're that good, why stop there?

Were I this dastardly, I would have begun my plot by making damned sure that, anyone involved who could have drawn a straight line between any two 'suspicious facts', was playing Pinocle with Jimmy Hoffa, within 30 days.

[Kulapops]

Thank you Fred... do you take... American, Canadian, Mexican dollars these days... or should I just send you a bag of gold ??

Speaking of assassins... somebody sure 'did in' this little lot...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11101398

Incidentally, that little article mentions 10,000 migrants being abducted...in six months! hmm... off topic I know, but...

Thing is.. that is one giant fly in this whole ointment... if somebody 'did it'... then it ain't just one somebody... it's a group... and that's a lot of sleepless nights for somebody since 9/11....

I can't believe the human race is so efficient at anything... that nobody would squeal on a deal like that one...

Anyway.. it's fine for mental gymnastics... but let's not expect to get to the bottom of anything...

K

P.S. To look at this kind of thing in action, I'd recommend the movie "Very bad things"... To clue you in.. one of a group on a bachelor party accidentally murders the stripper...and they resolve to try and cover it up. No one needs to know...but then the hotel security happens upon them.. and he gets whacked too.... sometime later the tension of keeping a secret is starting to show on them...I think this scene shows quite dramatically how human beings can start to unwind under stress...little by little it starts to come out... Now we can also live in a universe where the men in suits have such a tight lid on things that nothing ever comes out... but then.. if that's true... what's the point in going looking for the truth in the first place, huh ?

WARNING - this is not for the squeamish and there is some swearing in context. Mods.. I understand if you need to remove this, if not appropriate to this thread - I'm not totally sure about the rules on that... Fred.. maybe you could check it out, seeing as you're here ? Thx...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfqtmIDzDog

[Operator]

There IS one thing very certain in this case ...

They do want you to believe that a 757 hit the pentagon (either for real or not). So it's not surprising that all 'presented' material will support just that.
The difference between Pentagon and Twin Towers is that there is no material 'shot' by the public. It makes the Pentagon case ideal for reinstating that
hijacked airliners were the cause of it all. Surprise, surprise ... yes they got us debating/distracted again

1. Where are all the people?

Well, 757 or not ... was anybody found and/or identified ? Sad as it is but this doesn't proof either side of the case ...